Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Warin
On 20/03/19 19:38, Lorenzo Stucchi wrote: Hi, I said the its interesting also to known what there is the area without trees. I don’t thinks that make sense to tag this as an area without trees but with a tag that specify what there is in this area. Then specify it in detail! Do not, for

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi
Hi, a. If the object of the research is just to map deforestation, you only need to map trees. You also need 100% coverage of all tree areas. You do not need to map "no landcover". b. If the object is to map deforestation AND what replaces the trees, you need to map the replacing landcovers

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Peter Elderson
a. If the object of the research is just to map deforestation, you only need to map trees. You also need 100% coverage of all tree areas. You do not need to map "no landcover". b. If the object is to map deforestation AND what replaces the trees, you need to map the replacing landcovers as well,

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi
Hi, I said the its interesting also to known what there is the area without trees. I don’t thinks that make sense to tag this as an area without trees but with a tag that specify what there is in this area. Yes I remember about the fact of the key natural. Best, Lorenzo > Il giorno 20 mar

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Warin
On 20/03/19 18:54, Lorenzo Stucchi wrote: Hi Giovanni, We thinks that it also important understand if the area is without vegetation because becomes a cultivated land, an artificial area or the trees are just cutted for wood and so some year after they will appear again. For this reason we

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi
Hi Giovanni, We thinks that it also important understand if the area is without vegetation because becomes a cultivated land, an artificial area or the trees are just cutted for wood and so some year after they will appear again. For this reason we thinks that is interesting to understand also

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi
hi, Thanks Joseph for the answer. The area in which I take the examples is this https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/2.3879/-73.9050 check with digital globe premium imagery (N.B. please don’t map this area we will have and event about mapping this area) "landcover = trees that is a tag

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-19 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Lorenzo, if your project aims to track deforestation in a timespan, IMHO you had better to focus on trees only. Trying to guess which landuse is going to replace trees is hard. I'd start from an AOI entirely mapped with forest, wood or, in doubt, the generic landcover=trees all of which derived

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-19 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi
Hi, I’m answering but I’m having some problem in sending message, sorry. Il giorno 19 mar 2019, alle ore 15:01, Paul Allen mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> ha scritto: On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 10:00, Lorenzo Stucchi mailto:lorenzostucch...@outlook.it>> wrote: Remember that all the ideas are related

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 10:00, Lorenzo Stucchi wrote: > > Remember that all the ideas are related to map in the Amazonian forest an > area where nothing is mapped and the map is empty. > The fact that nothing has yet been mapped there is not an excuse for inventing new tags when other tags

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> "landcover = trees that is a tag for a wood where is not clear in which class > have to be considered the wood if natural or maintained by humans." Almost all woodland in the world have been modified by humans, even in the Amazon basin. I would recommend checking the existing areas of tagged

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-19 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi
Hi all, Thanks for the reply and for the constructive comments, we don’t want to vote something that no-one will accept, it's just a waste of time, for this reason, we start before to talk with all of you. Remember that all the ideas are related to map in the Amazonian forest an area where

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-19 Thread Peter Elderson
I like the project to map deforestation over time, and I think OSM can be used. I also think OSM can profit from the data. However, as I have said before, OSM mappers have a different viewpoint: mapping whats's there now, as seen on the ground, as detailed as possible. And they have made a mess of

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Warin
On 19/03/19 11:27, marc marc wrote: Le 19.03.19 à 00:25, Warin a écrit : On 19/03/19 10:14, marc marc wrote: Le 18.03.19 à 23:46, Warin a écrit : landcover=artificial .. does not say what is there. this one doesn't look wrong. it is a category of several landcover (asphalt, concrete, ...)

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread marc marc
Le 19.03.19 à 00:25, Warin a écrit : > On 19/03/19 10:14, marc marc wrote: >> Le 18.03.19 à 23:46, Warin a écrit : >>> landcover=artificial .. does not say what is there. >> this one doesn't look wrong. >> it is a category of several landcover (asphalt, concrete, ...) > > Err the proposal is

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 23:37, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 19/03/19 10:26, Paul Allen wrote: > > > Except I'd have said they were serious doubts, along the lines of "DON'T > DO THAT!" > > But let him put it to a vote, if he wants to. It will be amusing. > > > Not amusing. > I have

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Warin
On 19/03/19 10:26, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 23:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 20:34, Lorenzo Stucchi mailto:lorenzostucch...@outlook.it>> wrote: Since no more doubts were presented I'm sorry, but

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 23:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 20:34, Lorenzo Stucchi > wrote: > >> >> Since no more doubts were presented >> > > I'm sorry, but I think every post in reply to your proposal has raised > doubts, > + 1 Except I'd have said they were serious

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Warin
On 19/03/19 10:14, marc marc wrote: Le 18.03.19 à 23:46, Warin a écrit : landcover=artificial .. does not say what is there. this one doesn't look wrong. it is a category of several landcover (asphalt, concrete, ...) Err the proposal is landcover=artificial for areas that are mining areas

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Andy Townsend
On 18/03/2019 23:17, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 20:34, Lorenzo Stucchi mailto:lorenzostucch...@outlook.it>> wrote: Hi all, Since no more doubts were presented I'm sorry, but I think every post in reply to your proposal has raised doubts, primarily pointing

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 09:15, marc marc wrote: > > this one doesn't look wrong. > it is a category of several landcover (asphalt, concrete, ...) > Plus residential / commercial / industrial areas, highways / roads of any sort, railways etc etc. Would definitely make for much easier mapping to

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 20:34, Lorenzo Stucchi wrote: > Hi all, > > Since no more doubts were presented > I'm sorry, but I think every post in reply to your proposal has raised doubts, primarily pointing out that you're creating new tags rather than using existing ones, apparently to make it

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18.03.19 à 23:46, Warin a écrit : > landcover=artificial .. does not say what is there. this one doesn't look wrong. it is a category of several landcover (asphalt, concrete, ...) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Warin
On 18/03/19 21:32, Lorenzo Stucchi wrote: Hi all, Since no more doubts were presented we can think to propose this tag. Should be better to have 4 different tag proposal one for every different landcover, one just one considering that are all connected and there are just the key landcover

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Lorenzo Stucchi
Hi all, Since no more doubts were presented we can think to propose this tag. Should be better to have 4 different tag proposal one for every different landcover, one just one considering that are all connected and there are just the key landcover and 4 different value. Which idea is the best