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2018-01-17 22:34 GMT+01:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > Moving off the subject of mapping for a moment - so that fountain is just > continually running, it doesn't have tap (or other mechanism) to turn it on > & off? > Coming from a quite dry country (Australia) where we have

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On 18-Jan-18 08:34 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On 18 January 2018 at 00:25, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: this is the hole at the top:

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On 18 January 2018 at 00:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > this is the hole at the top: > http://www.visitlazio.com/documents/563196/597323/ > nasone_sfondo.jpg/8644cd34-20ef-463a-9e4e-666a1c7bcd08?t= > 1399032964489?t=1399025764489=3 > > so you can drink easily: >

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2018-01-16 0:26 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 16-Jan-18 02:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Nasona_a_via_annia_faustina_2.JPG > > > I would find that difficult to drink from Have to get on my hands and > knees, rotate head at

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On 16-Jan-18 02:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2018-01-13 1:22 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >: No. A tap cannot be easily drunk from ... you need a cup/hand to divert the water to your mouth. A drinking fountain has a jet of water that

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On 12-01-18 22:04, Cez jod wrote: Dear Cez, Every e-mail you have posted on this topic has started a new thread in my mail program (thunderbird). I now have literally 20 separate threads on Water Source types, 1 by the original poster (Daniel Koć), 19 by you. Could you fix your e-mail

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2018-01-13 1:22 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > No. > > A tap cannot be easily drunk from ... you need a cup/hand to divert the water > to your mouth. > > A drinking fountain has a jet of water that can be intercepted by your mouth > - no cup required. > > A tap can easily be used to

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2018-01-13 0:14 GMT+01:00 Paul Allen : > A waterway, in English, and on OSM is a *navigable* body of inland water > such as a river or a canal. There's another meaning in English (but not > OSM) of waterway to mean a conduit to drain water. > actually, in OSM the waterway

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sent from a phone > On 13. Jan 2018, at 01:56, Cez jod wrote: > > Maybe in 10 years we will have 10 tags responsible for water (3 for > drinking water > and 7 for non-drinking water plus subtags, etc.) . that makes sense?" > It is possible that I approach meny problems

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 10:44:10 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > As a person who added some of these amenity=drinking_water in the > past I feel that changing the ones I have added a better tag of, say, > man_made=drinking_fountain is justified ... that is what is > specifically there. >

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Is there a consensus here? > The tag amenity=drinking_water is non specific, it could be a spring, a stream, a pool. I view it as similar to highway=road Well said, amenity=drinking_water "a place to get drinking water" really just means drinking_water=yes and access=yes. Both a common tap and a

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On 13-Jan-18 08:04 AM, Cez jod wrote: "The man_made=tap,drinking_fountain, well stand by themselves. They do not need amenity=drinking_water, and suggesting that amenity=drinking_water should be included with them is wrong. Rendering of these man_made tags is a separate issue and should not

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On 13-Jan-18 10:42 AM, Cez jod wrote: "I don't know if this is a language issue or some peculiarity of > labelling in your country" In some parts of the world the best quality water available is not safe for drinking, yet that is all that is available so people drink it rather than die from

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On 13-Jan-18 09:20 AM, Cez jod wrote: "Note that "potable" doesn't mean drinking water, it means any liquid that can be (reasonably) safely ingested, such as orange juice or beer." That's right, but here we are talk about water, not all other substances that contain it. Small beer has not

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On 13-Jan-18 08:58 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12. Jan 2018, at 22:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: And that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain is used only 36 times worldwide? The frequency of use is,in part,

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On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Cez jod wrote: Everyone is focused on amenity=drinking water. I have a question for the > source tag amenity=water_point, waterway=water_point (waterway=fuel maybe > also should be?) Is all confusion about amenity=drinking_water and >

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sent from a phone > On 12. Jan 2018, at 22:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > And that > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain is > used only 36 times worldwide? > > Removing amenity=drinking_water and replacing it with > man_made=water_tap

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On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:26 PM, Cez jod wrote: I think it would be worth adding a tag if the water is really harmful hazard=poison (in the sense of water contaminated permanently, for example: salt, heavy metals, radiation, chemicals) I don't know if this is a language issue

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 06:46:55 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The tag amenity=drinking_water is non specific, it could be a spring, > a stream, a pool. I view it as similar to highway=road. > > The man_made=tap,drinking_fountain, well stand by themselves. Are you aware that there

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On 13-Jan-18 05:07 AM, Cez jod wrote: Hi! "amenity=drinking_water works for me" it's ok for me too amenity=drinking_water it is a very good, universal, proven and needed tag. I wondered if it was possible to determine the quality of the water more accurately. It looks like with

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On 12-Jan-18 08:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 11. Jan 2018, at 22:14, Selfish Seahorse wrote: In order to avoid repeating ourselves again in a year: should I add a note to the wiki page of `amenity=drinking_water` that this tag is

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On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:14:31 +0100 Selfish Seahorse wrote: > should I add a > note to the wiki page of `amenity=drinking_water` that this tag is > discouraged? What tag you want to describe as discouraged? drinkable? drinking_water?

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sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 22:14, Selfish Seahorse wrote: > > In order to avoid repeating ourselves again in a year: should I add a > note to the wiki page of `amenity=drinking_water` that this tag is > discouraged? I’m all for tagging details, and if

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now if he can easily drink or fill a bottle or connect a hose etc.. >> >> Quality of water would be : drinking_water=yes/no; mineral_water=yes/no >> >> ____ >> De : Selfish Seahorse <selfishseaho...@gmail.com> >> Envoyé : mercredi

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On 12-Jan-18 02:59 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 11. Jan 2018, at 15:14, Cez jod wrote: "Do you think I should explicitly mark as "drinking_water=no" the streams, springs and pits known to be poisonous? They use to have a sign telling it."

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On 12-Jan-18 03:25 AM, Cez jod wrote: I noticed that tagging without drinking_water=no/yes can have one weakness if the water is contaminated permanently with metal salts of heavy metals and other chemical compounds poisonous. Maybe can solve this problem using hazard=* e.g.? natural=spring /

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sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 14:26, Cez jod wrote: > > The wiki should be removed drinking_water=yes/no is excessive and misleading. I don’t know to which page you refer to for removing the tag, but it is generally used and seems to be the standard method:

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sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 14:26, Cez jod wrote: > > Should be used if the water has been tested: > drinking_water:legal=yes > drinking_water:legal=no this tag is mostly used with no, but it isn’t generally used, there are only very few of it:

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sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2018, at 15:14, Cez jod wrote: > > "Do you think I should explicitly mark as "drinking_water=no" the streams, > springs and pits known to be poisonous? They use to have a sign telling it." > drinking_water=no/yes there are misleading and

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I mark "amenity=drinking_water" only when the water is subject to microbiological analysis. If it isn't, I mark it as either "fountain", "spring" or "watering place". It's up to "clients" (apps and people who uses the database) to decide whether they'll drink from legal water taps only or they'll

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> amenity=drinking_water and amenity=water_point these are synonyms used > interchangeably for drinking and non-drinking water I wonder why you think that amenity=drinking_water is used to map non-drinking water. AFAIK it should be used for small installations that offer drinking water, like the

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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > Seems we are repeating ourselves once again: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2012-July/010809.html > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-November/019998.html > and that last

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ineral_water=yes/no > > > De : Selfish Seahorse <selfishseaho...@gmail.com> > Envoyé : mercredi 10 janvier 2018 09:38:00 > À : Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > Objet : Re: [Tagging] Water source types > > On 10 January 2018 at 01:49, D

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2018-01-10 3:59 GMT+01:00 Tod Fitch : > Boxed springs like the one you show in your first photo I typically tag as > a spring (natural=spring). > +1 Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

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eahorse <selfishseaho...@gmail.com> Envoyé : mercredi 10 janvier 2018 09:38:00 À : Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Objet : Re: [Tagging] Water source types On 10 January 2018 at 01:49, Daniel Koć <daniel@koć.pl> wrote: > I would say that amenity=drinking_water is a genera

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On 10 January 2018 at 01:49, Daniel Koć wrote: > I would say that amenity=drinking_water is a general source of the high > quality water and it would be good to make it more specific if possible - > adding tap, well and pump tags would be nice. Because drinking water is a

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Boxed springs like the one you show in your first photo I typically tag as a spring (natural=spring). The photo on the wiki page for natural=spring is much like the one you posted. I usually add a direction=bearing|north|south|east|west so that my topo map rendering can show what way the

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While we're on the topic, one thing that's puzzled me how to tag: On the hiking trails in my part of the world, the volunteers have constructed a number of piped springs. A typical one looks like https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/6936811420 They may be built by making a stone or concrete box

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W dniu 10.01.2018 o 02:02, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: Still, I wouldn’t consider these sufficiently important to merit rendering of every water tap on osm carto, especially as water taps aren’t particularly rare in gardens or at petrol stations. In cases when objects that are important

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sent from a phone > On 10. Jan 2018, at 01:25, Daniel Koć wrote: > > It was mentioned many times that we care about drinking water, however I > think it's too narrow point of view - washing, watering the garden or using > for the car engine cooling can be also important,

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W dniu 09.01.2018 o 21:45, Mateusz Konieczny pisze: My interpretation is that: amenity=water_point amenity=drinking_water mark place used to get water, synonymous for most purposes - but amenity=water_point may be used also to supply large volume of water. I don't think they are

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W dniu 09.01.2018 o 22:50, Martin Koppenhoefer pisze: We also show amenity=fountain. there’s also waterway=water_point and there are the drinking_water and drinkable properties. And man_made=water_tank, landuse=reservoir and there’s bottled water of course. Yeah, I know that one can catch a

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Use: amenity=water_point fee=yes On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:20 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On 10 January 2018 at 08:52, Daniel Koć wrote: > >> W dniu 09.01.2018 o 23:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick pisze: >> >> It's a generic "key with multiple values"

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On 10 January 2018 at 08:52, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 09.01.2018 o 23:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick pisze: > > It's a generic "key with multiple values" problem, which is as bad as with > any other multiple similar items. > > You can simply use vending=ice_cubes;water , you may try

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W dniu 09.01.2018 o 23:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick pisze: Carrying on from that, it would actually be a vending machine=water as well, not a water_point, because it's selling water, not providing it for free? It's a generic "key with multiple values" problem, which is as bad as with any other

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On 10 January 2018 at 08:18, Daniel Koć wrote: > This looks like a vending machine to me in the first place: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vending%3Dice_cubes > Thanks, hadn't seen that one before. Carrying on from that, it would actually be a vending machine=water

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This looks like a vending machine to me in the first place: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vending%3Dice_cubes W dniu 09.01.2018 o 22:57, Graeme Fitzpatrick pisze: Would the same, or similar, tags apply to provision of ice? We have a number of these kiosks in our area:

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On 10-Jan-18 08:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 9. Jan 2018, at 18:21, Daniel Koć wrote: Currently we show only amenity=drinking_water, but there are also: - man_made=water_tap - amenity=water_point - man_made=water_well (including optional tag

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sent from a phone > On 9. Jan 2018, at 18:21, Daniel Koć wrote: > > Currently we show only amenity=drinking_water, but there are also: > > - man_made=water_tap > - amenity=water_point > - man_made=water_well (including optional tag pump=powered/manual) We also show

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On 10-Jan-18 08:30 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:00:27 +1100 Andrew Harvey wrote: So the function of a water tap is primarily to attach a hose to I would not expect this. I mapped some water taps and none would be used as source of water for

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On 10-Jan-18 05:13 AM, marc marc wrote: Hello, Le 09. 01. 18 à 18:21, Daniel Koć a écrit : - man_made=water_tap - amenity=water_point after reading the wiki again and using overpass, it look like that : water_tap give small amount of water (only in public location) that can be drinkable of

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See also https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-November/034023.html. My comments were: I agree it's confusing. On one reading of the wiki man_made=water _tap with amenity=drinking_water would mean the exactly the same as man_made=water_tap + drinking_water=yes. On the other

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On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 18:21:58 +0100 Daniel Koć wrote: > Currently we show only amenity=drinking_water, but there are also: > > - man_made=water_tap > - amenity=water_point > - man_made=water_well (including optional tag pump=powered/manual) > > How they all relate to each

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Hello, Le 09. 01. 18 à 18:21, Daniel Koć a écrit : > - man_made=water_tap > - amenity=water_point after reading the wiki again and using overpass, it look like that : water_tap give small amount of water (only in public location) that can be drinkable of not. water_point give a larger amount