Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

> On Feb 4, 2020, at 3:29 AM, Florimond Berthoux > wrote: > > I agree that buildings/sheds should not be used for this key, since we cannot > precise the type of "rack" inside the shed/building. I agree that “=shed” should not be a value. building=shed amenity=bicycle_parking

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

The bicycle_parking key is used for lots of things... > > buildings/sheds > > stands/racks > > A very poor key! > > > I think the key should be replaced. > I agree that buildings/sheds should not be used for this key, since we cannot precise the type of "rack" inside the shed/building. building

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

On 2020-02-03 08:41, Warin wrote: On 3/2/20 6:32 pm, pang...@riseup.net wrote: Then the issue of securing the bicycle? bicycle_secure=lock,supervised,provided_lock,* Could you elaborate what each of these mean? I think bicycle_security is better I would like to improve on this key

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

Okay, a lot of notes: Javbw > On Feb 3, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > > I > surface=paved says nothing about if the bicycle can be secured and what too. Surface= tag is different from =surface value. Amenity=parking Parking=surface Surface=asphalt For cars.

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

>Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 08:59:40 +0100>>From: Martin Koppenhoefer >>>To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools">    >>Subject: Re: [Tagging] change >bicycle_parking=floor to surface>Message-ID: ><8aa7582f-13d3-486c-9c47-87ca8a1f8...@gmail.

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

sent from a phone > Il giorno 3 feb 2020, alle ore 04:32, John Willis via Tagging > ha scritto: > > All of the other bicycle_parking values *imply an ability to lock your bike > to some object*, but =ground_slots and =floor (and =surface) imply *do not*, > because it is assumed that

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

On 3/2/20 6:32 pm, pang...@riseup.net wrote: I don't think the solution of using surface will do. surface=paved says nothing about if the bicycle can be secured and what too. Nor does it say anything about how the bike is held. The bicycle_parking key is used for lots of things...

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

> >I don't think the solution of using surface will do. > > >surface=paved says nothing about if the bicycle can be secured and what >too. > >Nor does it say anything about how the bike is held. > > >The bicycle_parking key is used for lots of things... > >buildings/sheds > >stands/racks > >A

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

On 3/2/20 3:45 pm, John Willis via Tagging wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:bicycle_parking looking over the discussion page, they added =floor in sept 2017 (in response to various questions) to not only be a =surface substitute, but for it to be combined with building=yes

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:bicycle_parking looking over the discussion page, they added =floor in sept 2017 (in response to various questions) to not only be a =surface substitute, but for it to be combined with

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

> On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:02 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > But it will not be replaced by the surface key as the tag represents 2 things. I think trying to represent the two ideas is too difficult. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle_parking

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

On the OSM wiki for bicycle_parking=, there are ~10 different values for racks/stands/trees/bollards of various types. Our cup runneth over. we are talking about one value, =floor, which would be called =surface if it was car parking. I want to change that value to =surface before =floor

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

A possibility: bicycle_rack=yes/no? On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 17:04 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/2/20 5:34 am, John Willis via Tagging wrote: > > Bicycle parking is full of different kinds of stands. > > “Floor” is Currently the the lack of anything - just an open area to park. > > But

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

On 3/2/20 5:34 am, John Willis via Tagging wrote: Bicycle parking is full of different kinds of stands. “Floor” is Currently the the lack of anything - just an open area to park. But A) “floor” doesn’t mean “lockable” or not. All the others describe stands and poles and whatnot, but **

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

Bicycle parking is full of different kinds of stands. “Floor” is Currently the the lack of anything - just an open area to park. But A) “floor” doesn’t mean “lockable” or not. All the others describe stands and poles and whatnot, but ** “Floor” doesn't explicitly mean “no locking

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

Isn't layer= meant for what floor it's on. (or are you thinking of bicycle_parking=two-tier (see bottom of the page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle_parking ) On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 15:07, Florimond Berthoux < florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I think it's not

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

Hi, I think it's not exactly the same feature, one thing interesting in the bicycle_parking for cyclist it to know if you can secure your bike. With floor value I know there is nothing to lock my bike with. Whereas surface value for parking tag just say that is a parking facility on the ground

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

I suggest we use additional tags to specify this more precisely. I think the lack of supports should be tagged supports=no or bicycle_support=no. Additionally lock_support=no or lock_stands=12. I'm not English so I don't know what would be the best word for these devices. In Danish they are

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

Usually the bicycle rests on something. And if you going to leave it for any time then locking it to some thing is a good idea. Floor may be a poor choice? Flat may be more descriptive? There is nothing there for bicycles to lean on or be fastened to. (Yes I know some parts of the world

Re: [Tagging] change bicycle_parking=floor to surface

I agree, was pretty confused when I saw that as well (after I had mapped a bunch of regular parkings and then did some bicycle ones) On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 07:46 John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle_parking > > It lists