Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Erik Johansson
Hi Dmitry I did a quick sruvey of some fast food restuarants the local Ikea, I know they all have leisure=playground outside and inside, non of these were mapped. So why haven't we mapped them as leisure=playground? On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dmitry Kiselev dkise...@osm.me wrote: Hi

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Dec 16 2014 17:42:47 GMT+ (GMT), Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-12-16 18:16 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: interesting to map dismantled city gates as historic=city_gate It is OK to map ruins/remmants, archeological site - but note that completely

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Никита
Probably we should define kids_area as: leisure=playground playground:indoor=yes playground:supervised=yes - supervised by parents, not by somebody else 2014-12-17 12:49 GMT+04:00 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: Hi Dmitry I did a quick sruvey of some fast food restuarants the local Ikea, I

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Никита
I meant playground:supervised=no in last message So why haven't we mapped them as leisure=playground? Playground equipement is very different for outside playgrounds and indoor facilities. Your kids will never watch tv at regular leisure=playground, while amenity=kids_area may have not only tvs

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed Dec 17 2014 09:32:05 GMT+ (GMT), Никита wrote: Probably we should define kids_area as: leisure=playground playground:indoor=yes playground:supervised=yes - supervised by parents, not by somebody else And access tags, such as access=customers. Phil (trigpoint ) -- Sent from my

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-17 Thread Martin Vonwald
2014-12-17 10:24 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip-Ma-Whop-Ma-Gate Never been to York to date, but I already love it! Thanks for that ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
You should visit, it is a lovely city and has a complete city wall that is lovely to walk around. Also nice pubs, a massive cathedral and the national railway museum. Phil (trigpoint ) On Wed Dec 17 2014 09:47:16 GMT+ (GMT), Martin Vonwald wrote: 2014-12-17 10:24 GMT+01:00 Philip

Re: [Tagging] city walls

2014-12-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
So far I have never come across razed. What's the difference between razed and dismantled, if any? On 17 December 2014 at 07:04, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: Razed would be much better for this kind of object (though I am not a big fan fan of razed, sooner or later completely

Re: [Tagging] city walls

2014-12-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-17 11:52 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: So far I have never come across razed. What's the difference between razed and dismantled, if any? there are lots of discussions on this topic and lots of different proposals and wiki pages. You can find some documentation here,

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Erik Johansson
Then I like kids_area when you are mapping a private playground that is closed off without direct public access, mainly because I wouldn't map them as a leisure=playground. About supervision vs. childcare, we have lots of free supervised playgrounds here which do not offer child care, and and I

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Erik, this gets really messy here. Not mapping a playground as a playground just because of the access? We don't map amenity=parking differently just because of access=customers. We have all the tools already without the need for a new tag, and definitely these shopping centre playgrounds should

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-17 1:29 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com: I tag an adit as a node, the opening through which you enter the underground part of a cave or mine. +1, I take that back, was confusing it with access which could be either a spot or a linear feature, while entrance is

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread fly
Am 17.12.2014 um 15:11 schrieb Tom Pfeifer: Erik, this gets really messy here. Not mapping a playground as a playground just because of the access? We don't map amenity=parking differently just because of access=customers. We have all the tools already without the need for a new tag, and

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-17 15:26 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: +1 leisure=playground playground:indoor=yes or playground:outdoor=yes playground:supervised=yes or no (referring to staff supervision) access=customers indoor=yes and supervised=yes/no work. No need for the subtag

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
About supervision vs. childcare, we have lots of free supervised playgrounds here which do not offer child care, and and I have no experience with staffed child care facilties at malls etc. But for me amenity=kindergarten seems to be an good match to child_care you would have in a mall. I

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Никита
Yes we can, see playground=* as approved, e.g. playground=swing Most likely because you have no idea what objects will be mapped with new tag kids_area=*. Well please show, show me these tags then: playground=pcroom playground=tv playground=activitytable playground=activitytable playground=globe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Sorry, the German examples don't mean much to me. Do the examples below show what you're proposing? name=Chicago, admin_title=city, admin_level... name=California, admin_title=state, admin_level On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: This is about a new

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-17 16:25 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: This is about a new attribute for administrative devisions. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/admin_title isn't this already covered by name and its variants? e.g. name=Bezirk Zwettl short_name=Zwettl or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-17 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 17.12.2014 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: isn't this already covered by name and its variants? e.g. name=Bezirk Zwettl short_name=Zwettl or name=Zwettl official_name=Bezirk Zwettl ? No, because the official name is just Zwettl. But in most cases when you talk about Bezirk Zwettl

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-17 Thread Andreas Goss
So what do you do with Berlin? State? City? Stadtstaat (Citystate)? __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88‎ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wiki - contact: Map Features

2014-12-17 Thread Andreas Goss
actually the idea to prefix phone etc. with contact: was never more popular than the simple form. The contact:-form was proposed later and never set actually foot compared to the simple version. I have also tried in the past to convince mappers by sending them messages, to not use the prefix in

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Dmitry Kiselev
Why should we map something, with different kind of activity and different name (at least in russian, serbian and many other cyrillic languages) as a playground? For example hr (sr the same but with cyryllic alphabet): playground https://translate.google.com/#hr/en/igrali%C5%A1te play room

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Andreas Goss
I don't see a need for a new key here. The properties can be easily modelled with sub-tagging of playground: leisure=playground playground:supervised=yes/no playground:outdoor=yes/no playground:indoor=yes/no I agree in general, but the main issue with tagging like this is that I bet most data

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-17 Thread Colin Smale
In the UK designation= is in wide usage for this. I don't know if it is typically a UK thing (it wouldn't surprise me) but local governments sometimes have the right to change their style - for example a civil parish can choose autonomously to call itself a community council. It can also choose

Re: [Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

2014-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 11/08/2014 04:47 PM, Pee Wee wrote: We are writing to you for advice on what steps we should or could take next. The situation is best summarized as: [...] After some consideration I have today asked user ulamm to refrain from making any edits to wiki pages unless he has first proposed

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=public_bookcase

2014-12-17 Thread Guillaume Pratte
Hello, I would like to propose a feature for public bookcases, also known as Little Free Libraries in the US, and widely popular in Germany: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/public_bookcase http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/public_bookcase Here is the

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread johnw
usually, the purpose of visiting a playground is to, um, visit the playground. The purpose of a play area is (AFIK) a place to deposit the kids while (one of) the adults do something else, or as a amenity to a more serious or boring place place where the kids can have their attention taken