Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
Am 18.09.2019 um 09:37 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > sent from a phone > >> On 18. Sep 2019, at 09:22, Simon Poole wrote: >> >> My point was more that you should ignore the shop classification and >> assume that that this is simply facility that in some form provides >> access to clothes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-18 Thread Simon Poole
Am 17.09.2019 um 08:29 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg: > I didn't think shop=laundry would work for a laundry room at a campsite. > My point was more that you should ignore the shop classification and assume that that this is simply facility that in some form provides access to clothes washing machines

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-18 Thread John Sturdy
Or if there are steps into the river or lake, or a ladder, that could be marked. On Mon, 9 Sep 2019, 03:21 Joseph Eisenberg, wrote: > Creeks and rivers are tricky, since it's hard to confirm whether or > not they are good for swimming. Tagging sport=swimming on certain > nodes of a river or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Sep 2019, at 09:22, Simon Poole wrote: > > My point was more that you should ignore the shop classification and > assume that that this is simply facility that in some form provides > access to clothes washing machines and space, because even a completely > normal

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
Let's restart this with some basics. According to Wikipedia:en : " A *bus* (contracted from *omnibus*,[1] with variants *multibus*, *motorbus*, *autobus*, etc.) is a road vehicle

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 10:58 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole : > Then nearly all amenities and leisure objects would be shops, consider > for example amentity=toilets Which, as you likely know :-), exist both > in free and paid versions. Providing access to a facility for use, > regardless if free or

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
btw.: those "sightseeing buses" that have been mentioned before, might merit their own tags, too. In Rome these are quite common (hence locals don't like them because they are competing for space in the traffic), they are not public transport (I guess they can not use bus lanes for example), but

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 11:59, Jo wrote: > In my own city we have an electric train like bus that has a few stops and > is specifically meant for tourists. Not double decker with an open roof and > it's slow, but OK. It has an itinerary and dedicated hop on/hop off stops. > I would like to be

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 12:59 Uhr schrieb Jo : > I would also like to be able to map the stops/waiting areas of those long > distance bus lines. At the moment, I was simply using highway=bus_stop for > them and an approximate itinerary. > seems common and correct tagging, why are you

Re: [Tagging] refugee camp

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Sent from a phone > Am 20.06.2019 um 02:18 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > It is a land use, residential .. at least on a temporary basis. possibly > landuse=residential, residential=migrants? Sorry for replying late, just found this draft and sending it for the archives: I would

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 10:28, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > According to Wikipedia:en : > " A *bus* (contracted from *omnibus*,[1] > with variants > *multibus*, *motorbus*, *autobus*, etc.) is a road vehicle >

Re: [Tagging] oneway street with two combined foot-cycle lanes

2019-09-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
Thanks Tobias The full tagging here would be: > > oneway = yes > oneway:bicycle = no <- oneway not for bicyclists > sidewalk = both <- there is a sidewalk on both sides > cycleway = track...which is also a cycleway and > cycleway:segregated = no...not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-18 Thread Philip Barnes
Amenity goes back to the term used by estate agents when describing a property as being close to the amenities. The level of which will vary, but in a village you expect the four Ps. Pub, Post Office, Primary School and Parish Church. Living in a small town I would add doctors, cafes,

Re: [Tagging] oneway street with two combined foot-cycle lanes

2019-09-18 Thread Tobias Zwick
Hi Volker The full tagging here would be: oneway = yes oneway:bicycle = no <- oneway not for bicyclists sidewalk = both <- there is a sidewalk on both sides cycleway = track...which is also a cycleway and cycleway:segregated = no

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 11:28 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt < vosc...@gmail.com>: > > Unfortunately in OSM the term "bus" > is used for public-transport > buses only: > +1 > " *Buses*, *coaches* and *trolley buses* are forms of public transport >

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Jo
In my own city we have an electric train like bus that has a few stops and is specifically meant for tourists. Not double decker with an open roof and it's slow, but OK. It has an itinerary and dedicated hop on/hop off stops. I would like to be able to map it. I would also like to be able to map

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 18. Sept. 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb Tobias Zwick : > Hey there > > What is the best way to tag meadow orchards? > > this has been discussed 10 years ago, but I don't recall the results (if any). I think by the time it was to not introduce a new landuse value like meadow_orchard >

[Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Tobias Zwick
Hey there What is the best way to tag meadow orchards? Most orchards are plantations with monocultures of one kind of tree, usually planted in rows and pruned to have a short trunk for easier picking. There is another type of orchard, in German "Streuobstwiese", in English I think "meadow

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 15:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: your government also seems to include them: > > @Paul From a quick search it seems these specific rules exist in the uk as > well, see here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs > signs giving orders-> No buses (over

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Sep 2019, at 14:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > I had a look at the road sign you mentioned later in your message. I > couldn't tell if the symbol > meant a bus, a coach, or both. So I ran it through Google Translate. This > is what came back > for "Kraftomnibus":

Re: [Tagging] oneway street with two combined foot-cycle lanes

2019-09-18 Thread Marc Gemis
but oneway:bicycle=no is understood. I would simply add that as well. So a router can use that for navigation(but it will not tell you on which side of the road you have to drive because that is hidden in the other tags you mention) On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:10 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] oneway street with two combined foot-cycle lanes

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Sep 2019, at 15:05, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > What In addition I need to express that the lanes are oneway for bicycles in > opposite directions. they aren’t, bikes will have to drive on the right in both directions, opposite directions would mean they have to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
18 Sep 2019, 16:46 by o...@westnordost.de: > b) a subtag of landuse=orchard? Maybe orchard=meadow/plantation? > orchard=meadow_orchard (A bit of duplication but clear, just orchard=meadow looks like a mistake) Or orchard=mixed_with_meadow?___

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Jan Michel
Hi Tobias, All the options are listed here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow_orchard Current usage stats: landuse=meadow_orchard 47 landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard 650 landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard 2700 Jan On 18.09.19 16:46, Tobias Zwick wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Steve Doerr
On 18/09/2019 13:20, Paul Allen wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 11:59, Jo > wrote: In my own city we have an electric train like bus that has a few stops and is specifically meant for tourists. Not double decker with an open roof and it's slow, but OK. It

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:07, Markus wrote: > > I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and > landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard because they imply a primary > usage (meadow or orchard respectively), which i think is impossible to > determine. Therefore i prefer

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Markus
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:10, Jan Michel wrote: > > Current usage stats: > > landuse=meadow_orchard 47 > landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard 650 > landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard 2700 I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Steve Doerr
On 18/09/2019 18:57, Steve Doerr wrote: Sounds like a road-train to me. Actually I've reallized that the expression I was looking for was 'land train'. -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Markus
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:11, Paul Allen wrote: > > Or landuse=silvopasture. AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing livestock. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 19:32, Markus wrote: > > AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing > livestock. > >From the wikipedia article on silvopasture: "Silvopasture is compatible with fruit, nut, and timber production." -- Paul

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Sep 2019, at 20:05, Markus wrote: > > I dislike both landuse=meadow + meadow=meadow_orchard and > landuse=orchard + orchard=meadow_orchard because they imply a primary > usage (meadow or orchard respectively), which i think is impossible to > determine. Therefore i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-18 Thread Markus
Hi Jeremiah, Why not highway=footway + indoor=yes? This seems to be the most used tagging for indoor ways. Current usage statistics are: highway=footway + indoor=yes: 34, 326 highway=corridor: 13, 914 highway=footway + footway=indoor: 268 indoor=footway: 210 Also note that 31.33% of all tag

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Warin
On 19/09/19 07:02, Steve Doerr wrote: On 18/09/2019 18:57, Steve Doerr wrote: Sounds like a road-train to me. Actually I've reallized that the expression I was looking for was 'land train'. I don't think so ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_train Both 'road tarin' and 'land

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 18. Sep 2019, at 20:46, Paul Allen wrote: >> AFAIK, silvopasture describes a forest that is also used for grazing >> livestock. > > From the wikipedia article on silvopasture: "Silvopasture is compatible with > fruit, nut, > and timber production." I agree the term

Re: [Tagging] Motorcycle taxis, pedicabs

2019-09-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 13:57, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Is "pedicab" the best British English / International English term for > these hired tricycles vehicles? That's what I've always known them as. > There are also "motorcycle rickshaws", called "tuk-tuk" in Thailand > and "bemo" or

Re: [Tagging] Motorcycle taxis, pedicabs

2019-09-18 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:04 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Beyond "death trap"? :-) > > Sorry, no, can't help you with that one? > > Auto rickshaw? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Motorcycle taxis, pedicabs

2019-09-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Back in January we discussed how to tag "motorcycle taxi" and pedicab (bicycle rickshaw) stands. Tom Pfeifer mentioned: "Some additions were introduced in 2013 [3], apparently from the Philippines community [4], to add the following tags: + motorcar=yes|no (usage 289, mostly Philippines) +

Re: [Tagging] Motorcycle taxis, pedicabs

2019-09-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
So amenity=autorickshaw then? On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:53 PM Andrew Davidson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:04 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> Beyond "death trap"? :-) >> >> Sorry, no, can't help you with that one? >> >> > Auto rickshaw? >

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This discussion needs to also happen on the proposal page, since it looks like the original poster is not following all of the emails here. See: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Tag:highway%3Dtourist_bus_stop - Joseph On 9/19/19, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep