Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/29 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 28 January 2011 21:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, IMHO (I'm not an English native) this is not scree. I would tag them landcover=bare_rock (or depending on the size landcover=pebbles)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 29.01.2011 13:33, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/1/29 John Smithdeltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 28 January 2011 21:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, IMHO (I'm not an English native) this is not scree. I would tag them landcover=bare_rock (or depending on the size

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/29 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: and just like previous threads I'm still to be convinced we need landcover=*, I just don't see the point of introducing a 3rd type that only serves to confuse things. basically the idea was that natural could be restricted to geographical

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2011 23:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: So there is no overlapping of landcover and natural. Surface could be used in many cases instead of landcover, but according to the wiki it is: The surface=* tag is one of the additional properties tags, which can be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/29 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2011/1/29 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: That definition hasn't been true since use of surface=* was expanded beyond highways can you point me to this decision? In my mapping I almost never see surface used for something different

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 00:36, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: also from a data consuming e.g. rendering point of view I see more disadvantage then advantage to not separate landcover as a feature from surface as an attribute to highways. Can you expand upon that with a less vague

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 00:32, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: can you point me to this decision? In my mapping I almost never see http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2873 That was the follow up etc, I can't find the original thread, however it would have been about the same time.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/29 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 30 January 2011 00:32, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: can you point me to this decision? In my mapping I almost never see http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2873 you are pointing me to an open ticket for which there

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 01:22, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Come on, it was never expanded, you would like it to be expanded. You are yet to show how landcover=* makes things better. All I see landcover=* doing is duplicating surface=* and confusing people. As for expansion, you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/29 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: You are yet to show how landcover=* makes things better. All I see landcover=* doing is duplicating surface=* and confusing people. It is mainly the meaning, surface refers to the surface while landcover refers to the general coverage. I agree

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 03:28, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: It is mainly the meaning, surface refers to the surface while landcover refers to the general coverage. I agree that sand is a good value for surface, but at the same time there could be landcover=trees. Isn't there

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 03:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/29 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I could also support surface (there might be space for landcover as well). Actually surface=sand or bare_rock makes perfectly sense. even though this creates

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread Johan Jönsson
Steve Bennett stevagewp@... writes: IMHO there are some subtle differences between these concepts: surface=rock landuse=rock natural=rock The first to me suggests that the ground beneath some other feature, like a path or a park, is rock. surface=* is almost always a supporting tag,