Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/31 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: I'm a city dweller. We have some (and will soon have some very prominent) rooftop parks. That's fine, you can tag them with leisure=park (or maybe leisure=garden, and garden:type) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Dave F.
On 30/08/2011 12:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/30/2011 6:40 AM, Dave F. wrote: You appear to be confusing the landuse tag with the boundary tag. No. You appear to be disagreeing with my use of the boundary tag. That as well. Dave F. ___

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Brad Neuhauser
First off, I like this proposal too and think it's a long time coming. But, some references made me go and read the place=suburb wiki page again, and that tag seems very similar, so can that distinction be clarified? That is, why would one choose suburb over city/town/village or neighbourhood?

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/31 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: First off, I like this proposal too and think it's a long time coming. But, some references made me go and read the place=suburb wiki page again, and that tag seems very similar, so can that distinction be clarified?  That is, why would one

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/31/2011 8:35 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I thought the issue was that there are two distinct concepts: boundaries, where there is some legal distinction and a precise edge place names, which have more or less indistinct boundaries. In my area, towns have boundaries, and there are

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/31 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: I thought the issue was that there are two distinct concepts:  boundaries, where there is some legal distinction and a precise edge +1  place names, which have more or less indistinct boundaries. just because they have no legal status does not mean

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Phil! Gold
* Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com [2011-08-30 17:01 +0200]: Waiting for comments especially for the aspect, that you could apply this tag to all kind of settlement fractions including commercial and industrial (and of course mixed) areas. I guess the wording neighbourhood does

[Tagging] Use of place=suburb (was Re: RFC: place=neighbourhood)

2011-08-31 Thread Phil! Gold
* Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com [2011-08-31 14:33 +0200]: No, suburb is actually not necessarily outside the city (in OSM), it is used for central districts as well. I've often been confused by the suburb tag and maybe someone can clear it up for me. The tags place=city,

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Phil! Gold
* Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com [2011-08-31 08:50 -0400]: There's a third possibility - the unincorporated suburb or exurb that nevertheless has a defined boundary, since it's planned or controlled by one company. I think Columbia, Maryland is this way It is. Additionally, Columbia

Re: [Tagging] short 2nd RFC for additional barrier values

2011-08-31 Thread ael
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 01:38:48PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: please have a glimpse at those additional barrier values and details. The proposal is a little bit older and I will bring this to voting soon: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types I think I

Re: [Tagging] Use of place=suburb (was Re: RFC: place=neighbourhood)

2011-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/31 Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com: * Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com [2011-08-31 14:33 +0200]: No, suburb is actually not necessarily outside the city (in OSM), it is used for central districts as well. I've often been confused by the suburb tag and maybe someone can clear it

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On 8/31/2011 8:35 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I thought the issue was that there are two distinct concepts: boundaries, where there is some legal distinction and a precise edge place names, which have more or less indistinct boundaries. In

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2011/8/31 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com:  place names, which have more or less indistinct boundaries. just because they have no legal status does not mean there aren't distinct limits. Usually / often there are. There can be natural limits

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Pieren
Currently, when we search 'quarter' in the wiki, we are redirected to 'suburb': http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Quarterredirect=no Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] A name for stony ground?

2011-08-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/31/2011 10:50 AM, Johan Jönsson wrote: A name to use for tagging stony ground. I am looking for a denomination to use for an area that have little or no vegetation so that the stony ground shows. Could there be a tag describing everything from coarse gravel, boulders, scree to exposed

Re: [Tagging] landuse=residential and named residential areas which belong together (neighbourhoods/subdivisions?)

2011-08-31 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/31/2011 02:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/8/31 Bryce Nesbittbry...@obviously.com: I'm a city dweller. We have some (and will soon have some very prominent) rooftop parks. That's fine, you can tag them with leisure=park (or maybe leisure=garden, and garden:type)

Re: [Tagging] Use of place=suburb (was Re: RFC: place=neighbourhood)

2011-08-31 Thread Greg Troxel
I've often been confused by the suburb tag and maybe someone can clear it up for me. The tags place=city, place=town, place=village, and place=hamlet are mutually exclusive; if a spot is in a place=village, then it's not in an adjacent place=town. It seems to be that place=suburb is

Re: [Tagging] A name for stony ground?

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/31/2011 1:50 PM, Johan Jönsson wrote: A name to use for tagging stony ground. I am looking for a denomination to use for an area that have little or no vegetation so that the stony ground shows. Could there be a tag describing everything from coarse gravel, boulders, scree to exposed

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Stephen Hope
Brad, Where I live, suburbs are well known, have fixed borders (though they can be and are sometimes adjusted), and are part of your address according to the post office and local government. They are part of a larger residential area, which may be a city or town. Villages don't have multiple

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/31/2011 9:27 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: Brad, Where I live, suburbs are well known, have fixed borders (though they can be and are sometimes adjusted), and are part of your address according to the post office and local government. In the US, the problem is that address place names depend

Re: [Tagging] Use of place=suburb (was Re: RFC: place=neighbourhood)

2011-08-31 Thread Stephen Hope
In Australia (and New Zealand) a suburb is a named, legally defined area that is part of your address. It is usually (always?) smaller than a local government area (My local government, Moreton Bay Shire, has 25-30 suburbs, could be more). The borders are routinely shown on street maps, or the

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 21:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/31/2011 9:27 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: Brad, Where I live, suburbs are well known, have fixed borders (though they can be and are sometimes adjusted), and are part of your address according to the post office and local

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Richard Welty
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 21:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Many suburban areas outside Orlando city limits have Orlando in the address, and there are some cases where a place in city A uses an address that is not city A. i'd argue that this is common. when the US post office sets up routes,