Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 6. Nov 2019, at 01:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does motor_vehicle=no mean I can push one though there? I did think not ... 
> at least not on a regular basis


indeed, moto_vehicle=no does not prevent you from pushing your motorcycle.

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Warin]

On 06/11/19 09:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 07:23, Martin Koppenhoefer 
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:




sent from a phone

> On 5. Nov 2019, at 18:48, Markus mailto:selfishseaho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I guess that bicycle=no almost always means that *driving* a bicycle
> isn't allowed. So it seems just logical to use a new tag for places
> where pushing (or transporting) bicycles isn't allowed too. Maybe
> bicycle=total_ban or bicycle_pushed=no?


I agree that bicycle=no has no implications for people pushing bikes,


But if bicycle=no means that you can't ride a bike, wouldn't foot=no 
also mean that you can't push a bike ie if you're pushing a bike, 
you're walking, & foot=no means you can't walk, so you can't be 
pushing a bike?


If walking is allowed but bicycles (ridden, carried or pushed) are not 
allowed .. then


Logically bicycle=no should be taken as no bicycles (ridden, pushed, 
carried or any other way).


Does motor_vehicle=no mean I can push one though there? I did think not 
... at least not on a regular basis ...


However the sign of a bicycle with a red slash through it is usually 
taken as no ridding of a bicycle and normally allows dismounted 
transportation of bicycles. At least that is my and others use of the 
sign here.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

[Nick Bolten]

At the risk of going down a rabbit hole, I'm going to suggest some ways to
think about this that will hopefully spark some discussion related how this
tag could be used with pedestrian navigation.

## Similarities to shoulders and an opportunity to figure out how to tag
them.

Would it be fair to say that the only differences between this feature and
a shoulder are (A) it has paint designating where pedestrians should go and
(B) it has some right-of-way implications? Because it's often the only
pedestrian option in rural areas near me, I'd appreciate having a way to
tag shoulders and then enhancing them with a subtag. e.g., something like
shoulder=left/right/both + shoulder:right=pedestrian_lane.

## Challenges of mapping pedestrian paths as street attributes

As proposed, this tag would apply to streets. I understand the appeal -
it's a minimal change from current maps and the feature is basically just
paint on a street - but I think there are also some potential risks to
describing the pedestrian path this way that would be valuable to discuss.
Examples:

(1) Intersections, particularly ones with marked crossings.
sidewalk=left/right/no/both has difficulties with this as well. Put
yourself in the shoes of someone trying to analyze the paths a pedestrian
could take using this tag to determine that there is a path using
pedestrian lanes and a crosswalk. There is a street way (way 1) with
pedestrian_lane=right that continues through an intersection. There is a
crosswalk tagged as highway=crossing, crossing=uncontrolled on another way
that shares a node with another street way (way 2). How do you proceed and
associate these path data so that you can reliably say that a pedestrian
path exists that uses that crosswalk? I believe it will require some fairly
nerdy graph analysis I think it could be a significant hurdle for using
this data.

(2) Transitions to other pedestrian paths, such as sidewalks. Pedestrian
lanes are sometimes used as a means to have a "temporary" sidewalk-like
feature, pending some future construction of actual sidewalks. There will
be sidewalks that are half-built, then transition into a pedestrian lane.
How do we tag that situation, given a separately-mapped sidewalk?

With the above issues in mind, what would you think about allowing
highway=footway, footway=pedestrian_lane as a possibly redundant tagging
option?

## Usefulness / data consumption

Knowing where pedestrian lanes are would be very useful, in my opinion, but
the devil is always in the details. Do you have any examples of how this
data could be consumed downstream? Not saying there always has to be a data
consumer, but the exercise could reveal advantages between different
approaches.

## Other sources

A potentially helpful resource during these international comparisons:
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/publications/small_towns/page05.cfm.
The FHWA defines standards in the United States.

Best,

Nick

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> Hi everyone,
>
> Following the recent discussion about pedestrian lanes (marked lanes
> on a roadway, designated for pedestrians), i've now written a proposal
> page for a new key pedestrian_lane=*:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pedestrian_lane
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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 07:23, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 5. Nov 2019, at 18:48, Markus  wrote:
> >
> > I guess that bicycle=no almost always means that *driving* a bicycle
> > isn't allowed. So it seems just logical to use a new tag for places
> > where pushing (or transporting) bicycles isn't allowed too. Maybe
> > bicycle=total_ban or bicycle_pushed=no?
>
>
> I agree that bicycle=no has no implications for people pushing bikes,


But if bicycle=no means that you can't ride a bike, wouldn't foot=no also
mean that you can't push a bike ie if you're pushing a bike, you're
walking, & foot=no means you can't walk, so you can't be pushing a bike?

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Bicycles are prohibited entirely in USA federal Wilderness areas, along
with all other machinery.

- Joseph E

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:23 AM Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 5. Nov 2019, at 18:48, Markus  wrote:
> >
> > I guess that bicycle=no almost always means that *driving* a bicycle
> > isn't allowed. So it seems just logical to use a new tag for places
> > where pushing (or transporting) bicycles isn't allowed too. Maybe
> > bicycle=total_ban or bicycle_pushed=no?
>
>
> I agree that bicycle=no has no implications for people pushing bikes, on
> the other hand, what is our tag to say you can’t bring an umbrella? Do we
> really need formalized tagging for every ultra rare kind of prescription?
> And are there also places where you can’t carry a bicycle, or is it only
> about pushing? What if you put your bike in a box, may you bring it then?
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 5. Nov 2019, at 14:05, Valor Naram  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey,
> 
> it's over. I closed the vote with 61 votes against and 46 votes for my 
> proposal. My proposal has been rejected by community members: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Discussions/tagging/contact:phone_or_phone


that’s a notable participation, compared to average tag votings in the 
OpenStreetMap wiki, interestingly, as an approval would probably have had the 
same effect than the rejection ;-)


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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 5. Nov 2019, at 18:48, Markus  wrote:
> 
> I guess that bicycle=no almost always means that *driving* a bicycle
> isn't allowed. So it seems just logical to use a new tag for places
> where pushing (or transporting) bicycles isn't allowed too. Maybe
> bicycle=total_ban or bicycle_pushed=no?


I agree that bicycle=no has no implications for people pushing bikes, on the 
other hand, what is our tag to say you can’t bring an umbrella? Do we really 
need formalized tagging for every ultra rare kind of prescription?
And are there also places where you can’t carry a bicycle, or is it only about 
pushing? What if you put your bike in a box, may you bring it then?

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Richard Fairhurst]

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> do you have an example for a street where pushing the bicycle 
> is not allowed?

Potentially every public footpath in England & Wales. The law says only that
"usual accompaniments" are permitted, without specifying them. Cycling
organisations try to argue that this includes a bike, but I suspect the wish
is father to the thought in this one. Certainly one local council believes
it doesn't: 

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/environment-and-planning/countryside/public-rights-of-way/rights-and-responsibilities-on-public-rights-of-way/public-rights-and-responsibilities/

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Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[Philip Barnes]

On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 09:41 -0700, brad wrote:
> I live in a single family home with a shared driveway.  The next
> door 
> neighbor house is 7 meters from my house.  The driveway is about 10 
> meters shared, then it splits, about 10 meters to each garage.If
> it 
> were mapped, I think it should be tagged as driveway, but I don't
> think 
> it's relevant to map.
> 
A short driveway such as this is unlikely to get mapped, mine is very
similar although only to a single property. I live in a 70s/80s
development.

What I consider to be shared driveways, leading to 3 or 4 properties
are a feature of modern housing estates. Whilst mappers have tended to
ignore these as they are neither public or lead anywhere of interest
(not part of our usecase), after all UK mappers are mostly walkers or
cyclists. They are a big part of the usecase for the growing parcel
delivery sector, Amazon Logistics have been armchairing these at a rate
us local mappers find hard to keep up with. Often incorrectly as
residential roads. 

I am now seeing that we need to map these correctly and use our local
knowledge to map them correctly before they are mapped incorrectly by
mappers who lack the experience of having seen these on these features
on the ground.

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Markus]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 18:25, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> This a well-known (small) problem that from time to time turns up in OSM 
> discussions. And then the discussion fizzles out again.

Which is also a well-known problem ...

I guess that bicycle=no almost always means that *driving* a bicycle
isn't allowed. So it seems just logical to use a new tag for places
where pushing (or transporting) bicycles isn't allowed too. Maybe
bicycle=total_ban or bicycle_pushed=no?

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Volker Schmidt]

This a well-known (small) problem that from time to time turns up in OSM
discussions. And then the discussion fizzles out again.

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 18:20, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

>
>
>
> 5 Nov 2019, 17:27 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 5. Nov 2019, at 14:01, Mateusz Konieczny 
> wrote:
>
> On the page I claim that
> "In some places it is illegal to both ride and push bicycle,
> there is no good tagging scheme to indicate it."
> and I want to check is it correct.
>
>
>
> do you have an example for a street where pushing the bicycle is not
> allowed? What about pushing a broken bicycle? Carrying a bicycle?
> Monocycles? Tricycles? Pushing big boxes? Wearing a red hat?
> I would be interested to see a law discriminating particularly against
> pushing bicycles.
>
> Cheers Martin
>
> Streets - no. But has
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount an example
> sign,
> according to the image description placed in front of Zoo Chleby at
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/50.2224/15.0918
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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

5 Nov 2019, 17:27 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 5. Nov 2019, at 14:01, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:
>>
>> On the page I claim that
>> "In some places it is illegal to both ride and push bicycle,
>> there is no good tagging scheme to indicate it."
>> and I want to check is it correct.
>>
>
>
> do you have an example for a street where pushing the bicycle is not allowed? 
> What about pushing a broken bicycle? Carrying a bicycle? Monocycles? 
> Tricycles? Pushing big boxes? Wearing a red hat? 
> I would be interested to see a law discriminating particularly against 
> pushing bicycles.
>
> Cheers Martin 
>
Streets - no. But has 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount 
 an example sign,
according to the image description placed in front of Zoo Chleby at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/50.2224/15.0918

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Markus]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 17:28, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>
> do you have an example for a street where pushing the bicycle is not allowed? 
> What about pushing a broken bicycle? Carrying a bicycle? Monocycles? 
> Tricycles? Pushing big boxes? Wearing a red hat?
> I would be interested to see a law discriminating particularly against 
> pushing bicycles.

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2016/10/25/venice-bans-pushing-bikes_e4ad7248-970e-49a8-b9a1-73efe5716101.html

And there are some elevators at the train station in Bern where it's
not allowed to take bicycles.

Regards
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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Volker Schmidt]

> do you have an example for a street where pushing the bicycle is not
> allowed? What about pushing a broken bicycle? Carrying a bicycle?
> Monocycles? Tricycles? Pushing big boxes? Wearing a red hat?
> I would be interested to see a law discriminating particularly against
> pushing bicycles.
>

Not streets but footways:
Footways in the Nymphenburger Schloss-Park a Muenchen
Footways in the park of Schloss Sanssouci, Potsdam (€15 fine)
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Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[brad]

I live in a single family home with a shared driveway.  The next door 
neighbor house is 7 meters from my house.  The driveway is about 10 
meters shared, then it splits, about 10 meters to each garage.    If it 
were mapped, I think it should be tagged as driveway, but I don't think 
it's relevant to map.


On 11/5/19 9:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

I’d like to add gated communities: these are completely private settlements, 
with restricted access, but there is still a road hierarchy that may merit more 
distinction than just service with and without a driveway qualifier (i.e. we’ll 
usually solve these with access restrictions).

For me a driveway is either a service on private ground leading to just one 
house (or maybe duplex/apartment house or other residential building) or to the 
backstage area of a commercial place like the loading zone of a supermarket. 
When roads are leading to several properties I would use at least service 
without the driveway qualifier, or residential.

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 5. Nov 2019, at 14:01, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:
> 
> On the page I claim that
> "In some places it is illegal to both ride and push bicycle,
> there is no good tagging scheme to indicate it."
> and I want to check is it correct.


do you have an example for a street where pushing the bicycle is not allowed? 
What about pushing a broken bicycle? Carrying a bicycle? Monocycles? Tricycles? 
Pushing big boxes? Wearing a red hat? 
I would be interested to see a law discriminating particularly against pushing 
bicycles.

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Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I’d like to add gated communities: these are completely private settlements, 
with restricted access, but there is still a road hierarchy that may merit more 
distinction than just service with and without a driveway qualifier (i.e. we’ll 
usually solve these with access restrictions).

For me a driveway is either a service on private ground leading to just one 
house (or maybe duplex/apartment house or other residential building) or to the 
backstage area of a commercial place like the loading zone of a supermarket. 
When roads are leading to several properties I would use at least service 
without the driveway qualifier, or residential.

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Philip Barnes]

On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, Dave F via Tagging wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/11/2019 13:11, Andy Townsend wrote:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/65663472 (Meir Tunnel, dry even on a 
> > wet Wednesday in Stoke*) bans foot and bicycle traffic, so you can 
> > neither walk nor cycle through it.  A cycle router would have to 
> > flat-out avoid it, whereas it may choose not to avoid a short 
> > bicycle=dismount section if it saves a long detour.
> 
> Shouldn't the preceding ways also be 'no' back to the previous junction?
> 
It is, well spotted. Needs fixing.

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Dave F via Tagging]

On 05/11/2019 13:11, Andy Townsend wrote:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/65663472 (Meir Tunnel, dry even on a 
wet Wednesday in Stoke*) bans foot and bicycle traffic, so you can 
neither walk nor cycle through it.  A cycle router would have to 
flat-out avoid it, whereas it may choose not to avoid a short 
bicycle=dismount section if it saves a long detour.


Shouldn't the preceding ways also be 'no' back to the previous junction?

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Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[Paul Allen]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 14:54, John Sturdy  wrote:

> I think of a driveway as typically leading to only one house,
>

Usually.  There are exceptions, such as where there's a gateway to a drive
that was
originally for a single house but a new house was later built on the
grounds.


> and would generally call the shared ones something else, probably "service
> roads"
>

Or even a residential road.  There are housing estates near me where that
is a better
fit than service road.  A service road is a means to an end: public road
network at one end,
a single house or smaller cluster of houses at the other.  When there are
houses all the
way along it, that's a residential road (in my opinion).  It's a grey area.

.  I'd make an exception for the access to a pair of houses e.g.
> semi-detached, or adjacent but linked by their garages/carports.
>

Yeah, that's another exception.  There's a few like that near me.  Housing
estate, residential
road, shared driveway to the garages.

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Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[John Sturdy]

I think of a driveway as typically leading to only one house, and would
generally call the shared ones something else, probably "service roads".
I'd make an exception for the access to a pair of houses e.g.
semi-detached, or adjacent but linked by their garages/carports.

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On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:26 PM Philip Barnes  wrote:

> Sections of shared, non-public service road, are certainly a common
> feature of modern housing developments.
>
> I have considered them to be private driveways.
>
> Private does not require a sign, walk down any suburban street in Europe
> or North America and you will see hundreds of driveways, without signs or
> gates and nobody will assume there is a public right of way there.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
> On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > Personally, I would only call the short bits of tarmac that spur off that
> > service road as 'driveways' because they each go to a single house. I'm
> > sure that there are examples of shared driveways in the UK but I would
> > consider them rare.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Dave F via Tagging <
> tagging@openstreetmap.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > In the UK, Amazon Logistics are adding useful data from their GPS'd
> > > delivery vehicles. Mainly highway=service as the last part of their
> > > journey to a destination.
> > >
> > > However, one of their contributors removed service=driveway from a
> > > highway=service road. In the changeset comments they said it was
> because
> > > it served multiple residential properties.
> > >
> > >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/76576604#map=19/51.33398/-2.27945
> > >
> > >  From memory, it wasn't signed as private, but it appears to be
> > > unadopted by the local authority (There are no raised kerbed pavements,
> > > drainage or lighting). I'm assuming it's shared ownership.
> > >
> > > For indicative purposes only. (The image is ten years old):
> > >
> > >
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3343975,-2.278377,3a,60y,185.39h,67.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5I6ruGYQsgQv4cC0iLM6SA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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> > > Personally I see no problem tagging this as a driveway even if it's
> shared.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
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Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[Philip Barnes]

Sections of shared, non-public service road, are certainly a common feature of 
modern housing developments.

I have considered them to be private driveways.

Private does not require a sign, walk down any suburban street in Europe or 
North America and you will see hundreds of driveways, without signs or gates 
and nobody will assume there is a public right of way there.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> Personally, I would only call the short bits of tarmac that spur off that
> service road as 'driveways' because they each go to a single house. I'm
> sure that there are examples of shared driveways in the UK but I would
> consider them rare.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Dave F via Tagging 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > In the UK, Amazon Logistics are adding useful data from their GPS'd
> > delivery vehicles. Mainly highway=service as the last part of their
> > journey to a destination.
> >
> > However, one of their contributors removed service=driveway from a
> > highway=service road. In the changeset comments they said it was because
> > it served multiple residential properties.
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/76576604#map=19/51.33398/-2.27945
> >
> >  From memory, it wasn't signed as private, but it appears to be
> > unadopted by the local authority (There are no raised kerbed pavements,
> > drainage or lighting). I'm assuming it's shared ownership.
> >
> > For indicative purposes only. (The image is ten years old):
> >
> > https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3343975,-2.278377,3a,60y,185.39h,67.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5I6ruGYQsgQv4cC0iLM6SA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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> > Personally I see no problem tagging this as a driveway even if it's shared.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
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Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[Jez Nicholson]

Personally, I would only call the short bits of tarmac that spur off that
service road as 'driveways' because they each go to a single house. I'm
sure that there are examples of shared driveways in the UK but I would
consider them rare.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Dave F via Tagging 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> In the UK, Amazon Logistics are adding useful data from their GPS'd
> delivery vehicles. Mainly highway=service as the last part of their
> journey to a destination.
>
> However, one of their contributors removed service=driveway from a
> highway=service road. In the changeset comments they said it was because
> it served multiple residential properties.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/76576604#map=19/51.33398/-2.27945
>
>  From memory, it wasn't signed as private, but it appears to be
> unadopted by the local authority (There are no raised kerbed pavements,
> drainage or lighting). I'm assuming it's shared ownership.
>
> For indicative purposes only. (The image is ten years old):
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3343975,-2.278377,3a,60y,185.39h,67.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5I6ruGYQsgQv4cC0iLM6SA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
>
> Personally I see no problem tagging this as a driveway even if it's shared.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> DaveF
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[Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

[Dave F via Tagging]

Hi

In the UK, Amazon Logistics are adding useful data from their GPS'd 
delivery vehicles. Mainly highway=service as the last part of their 
journey to a destination.


However, one of their contributors removed service=driveway from a 
highway=service road. In the changeset comments they said it was because 
it served multiple residential properties.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/76576604#map=19/51.33398/-2.27945

From memory, it wasn't signed as private, but it appears to be 
unadopted by the local authority (There are no raised kerbed pavements, 
drainage or lighting). I'm assuming it's shared ownership.


For indicative purposes only. (The image is ten years old):
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3343975,-2.278377,3a,60y,185.39h,67.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5I6ruGYQsgQv4cC0iLM6SA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Personally I see no problem tagging this as a driveway even if it's shared.

Thoughts?

DaveF

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Philip Barnes]

On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 05/11/2019 13:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > I just created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount
> > to document why it is used and why it is anyway duplicate of bicycle=no.
> >
> > On the page I claim that
> > "In some places it is illegal to both ride and push bicycle,
> > there is no good tagging scheme to indicate it."
> > and I want to check is it correct.
> >
> ... "where it is legal to go on foot" is an important proviso.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/65663472 (Meir Tunnel, dry even on a 
> wet Wednesday in Stoke*) bans foot and bicycle traffic, so you can 
> neither walk nor cycle through it.  A cycle router would have to 
> flat-out avoid it, whereas it may choose not to avoid a short 
> bicycle=dismount section if it saves a long detour.


For example https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/350458507

and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23896048

Phil (trigpoint)

> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy
> 
> * in English football, a "wet Wednesday in Stoke" is thought of as an 
> occasion when a top team's star players may struggle in adverse 
> conditions that the home side are used to.
> 
> 
>

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Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Andy Townsend]

On 05/11/2019 13:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

I just created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount
to document why it is used and why it is anyway duplicate of bicycle=no.

On the page I claim that
"In some places it is illegal to both ride and push bicycle,
there is no good tagging scheme to indicate it."
and I want to check is it correct.


... "where it is legal to go on foot" is an important proviso.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/65663472 (Meir Tunnel, dry even on a 
wet Wednesday in Stoke*) bans foot and bicycle traffic, so you can 
neither walk nor cycle through it.  A cycle router would have to 
flat-out avoid it, whereas it may choose not to avoid a short 
bicycle=dismount section if it saves a long detour.


Best Regards,

Andy

* in English football, a "wet Wednesday in Stoke" is thought of as an 
occasion when a top team's star players may struggle in adverse 
conditions that the home side are used to.



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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)

[Valor Naram]

Hey,

it's over. I closed the vote with 61 votes against and 46 votes for my
proposal. My proposal has been rejected by community members:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Discussions/tagging/contact:phone_or_phone



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[Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

I just created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount 

to document why it is used and why it is anyway duplicate of bicycle=no.

On the page I claim that
"In some places it is illegal to both ride and push bicycle,
there is no good tagging scheme to indicate it."
and I want to check is it correct.

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