Re: [Tagging] Additional detail of Levee mapping via embankments

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > We use two tags for rivers: `waterway=riverbank` (or natural=water + > water=river) for the area and waterway=river for the central line of > the river. Thanks so much for all of the clear and thoughtful replies. I sometimes

Re: [Tagging] Additional detail of Levee mapping via embankments

> I really love the top-lines of the embankments, as these embankment tops are > not uniform in shape - but I will delete them if it is bad tagging. It's not bad tagging, you should keep these. (make sure that the lower side is on the right hand of way direction) > would there be some advantage

Re: [Tagging] Additional detail of Levee mapping via embankments

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > "it should be tagged on a way drawn with the lower side on right side > of way direction" - Tag:man_made=embankment for some reason, I remember reading documentation about using a pair of embankment lines to denote the extent of

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

If this is about Openstreetmap-carto, there is now an open issue: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3968 - note that rendering area features in the "emergency=" key, like this, would require reloading the database on the openstreetmap.org servers. - Joseph Eisenberg On

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

Since this discussion is about documented tags which are currently in use, rather than discussing a proposal for a new way of tagging, It would be helpful to focus on the way things are in reality. As Mateusz Konieczny asked: [is there a] "consistent difference between shop=ice_cream and

Re: [Tagging] Additional detail of Levee mapping via embankments

> They usually have a 2-10m wide “top” on the levee The tag man_made=embankment should always be placed at the top of the embankment, so your two lines will only be 2 to 10 meters apart. This tag is not meant to show the size of the embankment or levee, but the location of the top of the steep

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Approved - Utility markers

Hi Michael, This is a good point and sorry for this time of answer. I didn't mention position=* in the proposal but as a reviewed and established practice for pipeline, easily extendable to other fields of knowledge, it's ok to keep it on the marker. I'll update the wiki shortly with it. All

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

sent from a phone > On 10. Nov 2019, at 22:10, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > The first vehicle type that comes in mind as "scooters" are Vespa scooters > that come with different motorizations and therefore can fall in different > categories from mofa to motorcycle. I generally agree with

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 23:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 10. Nov 2019, at 21:57, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > I also see a clear parallel between amenity=bar and amenity=ice_cream: > go in, sit down > > and consume (there may be an option to purchase to take out). > > I would not see

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

sent from a phone > On 10. Nov 2019, at 21:57, Paul Allen wrote: > > I also see a clear parallel between amenity=bar and amenity=ice_cream: go in, > sit down > and consume (there may be an option to purchase to take out). I would not see sitting as a requirement for any of these two. It is

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

sent from a phone > On 10. Nov 2019, at 18:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Are you claiming that there is some consistent difference between > shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream in real tagging by mappers? I have no idea about consistent use of these tags, but I am claiming they are not

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

sent from a phone > On 10. Nov 2019, at 15:57, Markus wrote: > > Are there really shops that only or mainly sell packaged ice cream for > taking home? it doesn’t say anything about “packaged” and I would rather expect an ice cream shop not to sell packaged ice cream. Ice cream (in Italy)

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Seveso sites ?

10 Nov 2019, 22:44 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > What is the benefit of having this information in OpenStreetMap? There is > nothing the crowd could contribute to improve this data, we would be a mere > distribution service of government data, and we would be at least as out of > date as they

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

10 Nov 2019, 22:23 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > Though I have often wondered why amenity=police & amenity=fire_station both > render, but emergency=ambulance_station doesn't? > It is offtopic for tagging mailing list, especially as it depends on map. The best that you can do is to check issue

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Seveso sites ?

While I first was assuming this would comprise inactive but contaminated sites, I now see this is for operational sites only, which are dealing with chemical substances of which release into the environment could potentially pose a hazard to the people living nearby. Right? How would we survey

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 02:54, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > > >> Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially > >> synonymous entities? > > So I agree these tags should be kept separate. I don't think Dave was suggesting that they be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

Looked at the proposal. It's a spiny set of issues. I would discourage electrical_bicycle as this is form the start ambiguous in many jurisdictions: both pedelecs and S-pedelecs are electric bicycles and in many jurisdictions these two are treated very differently. In most EEU counties I

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 19:42, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I agree here that there is difference between ice cream kiosk and ice cream > parlour. > We agree on that, then. Even though it's possible that in US usage an ice cream parlour may also include a kiosk (Wikipedia says it does, but

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

sent from a phone > On 10. Nov 2019, at 14:16, Jan Michel wrote: > > > E.g. in Germany they are mostly combined in the larger cities, but usually > separated in smaller towns. That's related to having professional fire > fighters and stations that are always manned compared to volunteers

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

10 Nov 2019, 18:50 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:33, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > > >> Are you claiming that there is some consistent difference between >> shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream in real tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 18:21, Paul Allen wrote: > >> However, shop=ice_cream says to take home, not to take away. > > > Then the wiki is unclear and misleading. And it looks like somebody has > taken an > alread-misleading page, decided it was a synonym of amenity=ice_cream and then > made it

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Are you claiming that there is some consistent difference between > shop=ice_cream and amenity=ice_cream in real tagging by mappers? > I would hesitate to claim that mappers tag anything consistently. What I am claiming is that there are

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 17:20 +, Paul Allen wrote: > "Take home" and "take away" share an important property: "not for > consumption on > the premises." Whether you take the stuff home or take it off the > premises and > consume it nearby, you are not consuming it on the premises. > > Try a

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

10 Nov 2019, 18:20 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 16:45, Markus <> selfishseaho...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > >> >> However, shop=ice_cream says to take home, not to take away. >> > > Then the wiki is unclear and misleading.  And it looks like

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 16:45, Markus wrote: > > However, shop=ice_cream says to take home, not to take away. Then the wiki is unclear and misleading. And it looks like somebody has taken an alread-misleading page, decided it was a synonym of amenity=ice_cream and then made it even more

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:56, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > nitpick: tag is without underscore > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:takeaway Sorry and thanks for correcting me! Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

Hi, up to now we don't have documented tags for small electric vehicles like bicycles and scooters. On the other hand, special access rules and amenities become more and more common. These new keys are not only necessary for access tags, but also intended for use with any other kind of

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

10 Nov 2019, 17:44 by selfishseaho...@gmail.com: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:00, Paul Allen wrote: > >> >> Me neither. But that's a bit of a false dichotomy. It isn't just eat on >> premises or take home. >> There's also take away. As in an ice cream van on a fixed pitch. Rather >>

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

Jan Michel writes: > On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: >> Hi >> >> Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : >> >> Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially >> synonymous entities? > > One of them takes care to put out fires, the other

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 16:31, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I was covering both take away kiosks and ice cream parlours in probably > too few words. > > Take away is far more common in my experience. > I've never encountered an ice cream parlour in real life, but I've seen them in US TV shows. So

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:00, Paul Allen wrote: > > Me neither. But that's a bit of a false dichotomy. It isn't just eat on > premises or take home. > There's also take away. As in an ice cream van on a fixed pitch. Rather > common at the > seaside. Or a kiosk selling only, or mainly,. ice

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 15:57 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 15:30, Philip Barnes > wrote: > > > I have never come across somewhere only selling Ice-cream to take > > home. > > Me neither. But that's a bit of a false dichotomy. It isn't just > eat on premises or take home. >

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 15:30, Philip Barnes wrote: I have never come across somewhere only selling Ice-cream to take home. > Me neither. But that's a bit of a false dichotomy. It isn't just eat on premises or take home. There's also take away. As in an ice cream van on a fixed pitch. Rather

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 15:56 +0100, Markus wrote: > Strangely enough, the page > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dice_cream > > says that shop=ice_cream is "for places selling ice cream to take > home", but shows an image of an ice cream parlour. > > Are there really shops that

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

Strangely enough, the page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dice_cream says that shop=ice_cream is "for places selling ice cream to take home", but shows an image of an ice cream parlour. Are there really shops that only or mainly sell packaged ice cream for taking home?

[Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dice_cream https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dice_cream There are some claimed differences that AFAIK do not

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 14:14 +0100, Jan Michel wrote: > On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > > Hi > > > > Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : > > > > Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially > > synonymous > > entities? > > One of them

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: Hi Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially synonymous entities? One of them takes care to put out fires, the other transports you to hospital. There are

[Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

Hi Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially synonymous entities? DaveF ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Seveso sites ?

On 10/11/2019 09:53, Jan Michel wrote: This seems like there are varying definitions in different countries, but all aim at basically the same thing - potential hazards to the environment. How about this scheme? hazard_class = comah:XYZ hazard_class = seveso:XYZ For completeness the UK

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Seveso sites ?

On 08.11.19 11:15, Lionel Giard wrote: > Seveso sites are all sites identified as source for a "potential major > industrial hazard" On 08/11/2019 09:44, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > My first guess is it's at least roughly analogous to a Superfund site > in the US. On 08.11.19 12:11, Andy Townsend

Re: [Tagging] Supermarket pick-up service

On 09/11/19 03:30, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 08.11.2019 13:40, Philip Barnes wrote: > Its not a shop, you don't buy anything there. In my local case, the payment is done at collection time with any method the main marked uses, i.e. cash and card. Thus I'd call it a shop > Maybe

Re: [Tagging] How to tag Seveso sites ?

On 09/11/19 10:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 8. Nov 2019, at 23:47, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: hazard=chemical "risk_level"=low/medium/high what kind of risk is the risk_level addressing? “chemical” is very generic, may be fine for the first level but should get a