Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reservoirs, lakes, and ponds

2020-12-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Thanks, Brian, for taking the lead on this. I generally agree with the overall direction of the proposal. There's a lot of details on the proposal page but I guess we can discuss them on the wiki talk page. On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:58 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > A proposal[1] to clarify

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-11 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
There are lots of tags in OSM that have fuzzy borders with respect to size or importance. Some that I can think of are waterway=river/stream and place=island/islet. Although the island/islet tag does have a hard boundary at least in the JOSM validator and an approximate boundary in the OSM wiki

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:13 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Oh, here in Indonesia you can find motorcycle taxis (ojek) everywhere, > including in all the towns where bicycle rickshaws / pedicabs operate. > > For example, all of the markets in my town have a pangkalan ojek > (motorcycle taxi stand)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 8:32 PM Joseph Eisenberg, wrote: > > I think using "motorcycle_taxi" as a tag value would be confusing. > > Unfortunately, the English language terminology for these things is > not very established, since they are not used in Britain or North > America (except for the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 8:28 PM Martin Koppenhoefer, wrote: > > > Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar < > sea...@gmail.com>: > >> The only difference is one is human-powered while the other is >> engine-powered. >> > > &g

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
As a person from the Philippines who uses these "motorcycle taxis" (we call them tricycles here and they are basically motorcycles with an attached sidecar for passengers), I am in favor of having a new top-level tag for these "taxi" stations. The reason why we used "taxi" here is that this was

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
FWIW, here is a query results map showing all volcanoes (805 of them) in Wikidata that already have the GVP ID:

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Wikidata already has the GVP property: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1886 So it's just a matter of ensuring that all volcanoes tracked by the GVP is present in Wikidata and has the correct P1886 value. On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:20 AM Clifford Snow wrote: > > > Sent from my Android

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 10:20 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Please take a minute to review the new page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Approval_status > Overall, this looks pretty good! I am in favor of documenting the status of tags and this wiki page is a

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-16 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:00 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I added some comments to the talk page of your "type=group" relation > proposal. > > I would recommend simplifying the proposal to just be for groups of > nodes, because there are already relations for

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:28 AM Richard wrote: > It would also be interesting to be able to tag the start of construction - >> often construction starts many years before the building is finshed: >> Airport BER in Berlin, Germany or La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, Spain >> are famous examples.

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-22 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:11 PM Simon Poole wrote: > [...] addr tags are for postal addresses I don't think using them as a > level name/ref makes very much sense outside of that very narrow > application. > I rechecked the two main OSM Wiki pages[1][2] on addr:*=* tags and addresses in general

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 2:38 AM Tobias Zwick 2. no calculating forth- and back between level "indices" and real names >for the levels (for neither the software nor the mapper) because this >effectively eliminates the concept of indices > I use level=* for the machine-readable zero-based

Re: [Tagging] The actual use of the level tag

2019-01-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019, 9:50 PM Tobias Zwick Region| likely zero-based | likely one-based > --|---|- > Washington, Philadelphia, NY | 3 |2 > Silicon valley, Los Angeles | 4

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Side discussion: On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:31 AM Paul Allen wrote: > One could argue that place=island should be natural=island. > And then we go into the discussion that not all islands are natural, like the artificial islands in Dubai. Then again, not all things currently tagged

Re: [Tagging] Imagery variations/misalignments in iD - which to use?

2019-01-11 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM John Willis wrote: > The issue I am facing is that, even after some adjustment of the angle of > bing imagery, there seems to be some distortion. things don’t line up well > between the Bing and ortho maps in some places, and are much closer in > others. a *lot*

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:35 PM Phake Nick wrote: > I believe many time the boundary of a peninsula are politically defined, > for instance most would often see the Iberia peninsula end at where Spain > meet France > So is Andorra within or outside the Iberian peninsula?

Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

2018-12-14 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:36 PM Adam Franco wrote: > What are folks thoughts about these historical-owner building names when > they aren't well-known? Should they go in a `description= > ` tag, `alt_name= >

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 11:58 PM Eugene Podshivalov But in Belarus for example we call our settlements "город" (can be city or > town), "городской посёлок" (can be town or village), > "посёлок"/"деревня"/"хутор" (can be village or hamlet or isolated_dwelling). > When people use the maps created form

Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 5:44 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Mo., 26. Nov. 2018 um 10:34 Uhr schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar < > sea...@gmail.com>: > >> can you give a definition for de jure? >> >>> Which law applies? >>> >> >> Maybe th

Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 4:37 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 23. Nov 2018, at 17:33, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > > > We should be therefore able to repurpose the roles in a type=boundary > relation to store information about claimed, "de facto", and "

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-11-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 12:45 AM Allan Mustard wrote: > Well, a central bank is a bank, after all, whether it is owned by the > government or is a "private" parastatal organization. I would tag it as > amenity=bank since it is a bank. Not all banks offer consumer services, so > the fact that

Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 5:30 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > 1. 'inner' roles (and thus 'outer' roles too) are still needed in case a > country has enclaves. > Even if a country has exclaves and/or has enclaves within it, you still don't need to have "inner" and "outer" roles at all in order to

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

2018-11-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I have been following this discussion with interest since I would also like to have bays and straits represented by some sort of polygon/area instead of just nodes. However, I also agree that having overlapping relations containing hundreds to thousands of natural=coastline ways would tax many

Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-12 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:23 PM Noémie Lehuby wrote: > Should we consider the dispusted=yes tag on boundary ways as a *de facto* > standard and uniformize a few borders ? Should we create a proposal about > this tag ? > > The borders data do not fit the doc and the statement from the Foundation

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)-->(office=diplomatic)

2018-11-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Just a suggestion. Under the "Additional tags routinely used would include" section, name=* and country=* are listed. I think the target=* tag (for the receiving country) should also be included since it is already documented in the amenity=embassy page. (I am not sure if "target" is a good term

Re: [Tagging] visa offices tags

2018-11-07 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:29 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 1) this is a commercial firm - not a government > authority/branch/department/etc > 2) it 'assist' people to obtain a visa > 3) it is not at an

Re: [Tagging] tagging for an office of the local representative to parliament

2018-11-07 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Nov 7, 2018 11:22 PM, "Allan Mustard" wrote: I like constituency_office. +1 FWIW, Wikidata has settled on the term "constituency" for this political concept (aka parliamentary seat, electoral district, legislative district, etc.): https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q192611

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-11-01 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:12 AM Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:14 AM Allan Mustard wrote: > >> * shift to office=diplomatic and use the existing diplomatic=* additional >> (secondary) tag to specify whether embassy, consulate, or other, then use >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-11-01 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 11:14 AM Allan Mustard wrote: > * shift to office=diplomatic and use the existing diplomatic=* additional > (secondary) tag to specify whether embassy, consulate, or other, then use > embassy, consulate and other as additional (tertiary) tags to specify > further the type

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-27 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 12:52 PM Allan Mustard wrote: > If my sense of growing consensus is correct, I suggest that diplomatic=* > would include only [embassy, consulate, non-diplomatic]. > Tagging something as office=diplomatic then diplomatic=non-diplomatic sounds silly and oxymoronic. Why

Re: [Tagging] Standardizing Mapillary tags and keys

2018-10-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 6:34 AM Christopher Beddow < christop...@mapillary.com> wrote: > Is there any critique of these ideas? > I think these tags are only appropriate as changeset tags and never as tags on actual map objects (nodes, ways, relations).

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:32 AM Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 26.10.2018 o 22:08, Eugene Alvin Villar pisze: > > > On the other hand. diplomatic offices and services encompass a range that > is much too narrow such that I don't think having diplomatic=* as a primary > key seems ap

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
office=government On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 2:53 AM Paul Allen wrote: > If you can come up with a better value than "diplomatic" then do so. If > you don't like it being under > the office key, maybe have diplomatic=* as the primary key rather than a > secondary key under > office (although that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:27 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > In OSM I would expect the term government not to be a foreign government > but a resident one. > Uniquely, Italy hosts its own embassy to the Holy See (aka Vatican City). So technically, you could use "government" for that

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 7:52 AM Martin Koppenhoefer, wrote: > I’ve recently used building=fast_food_restaurant > but it is not used very often yet. > Can you care to explain why building=retail is not enough detail? I would think that a combination of building=retail + amenity=fast_food (whether

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 9:29 AM Bill Ricker, wrote: > Is the OSM primary DB the right repository for this? > Have we accepted being the repository for everything that anyone wants to > map? > (I don't remember hearing a change from "no".) > If people are already mapping whether an amenity=fuel is

Re: [Tagging] addr:street=* combined with place=square, name=*

2018-08-16 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 3:45 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I know in the US there are distance based housenumbers, and also in Rome > there is one single street which has distance based numbering, still the > vast majority of distance based address indications around here are _not_ >

Re: [Tagging] place nodes for continents?

2018-08-07 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, Javier Sánchez Portero wrote: > The same applies to other place nodes like oceans, seas, natural bays, straits, etc. At the risk of forking this discussion to another topic, I'd like to point out that at least for oceans and major seas, bays, and straits, the

Re: [Tagging] New GitHub tagging repo "osmlab/osm-tagging" - was: emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 6:20 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Frederik Ramm > wrote: > > Others have qualms about signing up to an American social network platform >> just >> > to participate in OSM discussions (remember - if the product is free, you >> are the > >

Re: [Tagging] brand=* necessary?

2018-05-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
This whole discussion reminds me of the following passage from Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass: The name of the song is called ‘Haddocks' Eyes.’” > > “Oh, that's the name of the song, is it?" Alice said, trying to feel > interested. > > “No, you don't understand,” the Knight said,

Re: [Tagging] Coastal beach definition for mapping.

2018-04-04 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > the coastline should represent the limit of the sea, in case of a river > flowing in, people look at the level of salt in the water and whether the > level of the river is influenced by tides (afaik) > It seems

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: unnecessary admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:41 AM, André Pirard wrote: > Hi all, > > Please all, take a very attentive look at this. > Please note the subject change: unnecessary. > Please note the disambiguation boundary vs borderline. > > The problem with admin_level tags is that

Re: [Tagging] part_of:wikidata key

2017-11-28 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:29 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Given that the Overpass API exists, do we have a worked example > here to demonstrate that external tools have a ready way of accessing > 'wikidata' tagged items within OSM? > This is quite easy to implement

Re: [Tagging] part_of:wikidata key

2017-11-28 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > This is just a question on editors managing that. Right now the > inheritance of IDs is usually not a conscious choice of the mapper but > if this is deemed desirable this could be changed. > > [...] > > OSM recruits

Re: [Tagging] part_of:wikidata key

2017-11-28 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > * Wikidata is definitely not suited as an universal meta-database > > connecting OSM with other open data sets. This is because of the > > Notability concept > > (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability)

Re: [Tagging] part_of:wikidata key

2017-11-28 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > ... but I don't believe that I've ever actually seen an application that > uses it, and don't have a real understanding of how it is used and what can > be done with it that cannot be done without it. Like OSM,

Re: [Tagging] Multiple offices at the same address - (Multiple values for one key)

2017-10-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:39 PM, wrote: > The main critisism is that we map the same address multiple times, but > in fact they are different things, we have the "Postal Address" at the > entry and then a node for each buisiness/shop at that address, they all > share

Re: [Tagging] Multiple offices at the same address - (Multiple values for one key)

2017-10-28 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Oct 27, 2017 8:03 AM, "Colin Smale" wrote: Time for a more philosophical discussion... What is the function of this thing we call "address"? Is it to identify a premises? Is it to describe a premises? Does it refer to the whole premises, or just the bit with the front

Re: [Tagging] man_made=tunnel

2017-06-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > I would map those as separate tunnels and only map them as a single tunnel > is multiple ways share the same bore. > I think this goes to the question of whether we want man_made=tunnel to map a physical tunnel (that

Re: [Tagging] OSM+Wikidata intro video

2017-06-07 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Please clarify the license of this combined database and any data returned from a SPARQL query. I assume any data returned is under ODbL since it contains data derived from the OSM database. But this is not indicated anywhere in the Query Service and is not included as metadata in the returned

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay on areas

2017-03-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 4:41 AM, Juan Pablo Tolosa Sanzana < jptolosanz...@gmail.com> wrote: > An exact limit between the open ocean and a sheltered coast is too > arbitrary as natural feature. It seems a political issue. You can use > boundary=maritime + border_type=baseline for excluding

Re: [Tagging] address property of features

2017-03-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 12:56 AM, Tristan Anderson < andersontris...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Either tag the store or the entrance, not both. > This goes back to the long unresolved question on whether addresses are: (1) features in themselves (so each address must be uniquely represented in OSM

Re: [Tagging] simple 3D buildings, proposed redefinition of building:levels and building:min_level for building:part

2017-03-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:32 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > there are only 33 991 objects with a building:min_level tag now > I'm not now commenting on whether the proposal is good or not, but other redefinition proposals have been shot down for numbers much less than

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
> > Laundromat:foobar=n scheme. > > Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8 > Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2 > Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3 > Laundromat:20kg_sidewasher=1 > Laundromat:shoe_washer=1 > Laundromat:shoe_dryer=1 > I'm not so sure that tagging minutiae like this is appropriate for OSM, which is really a

Re: [Tagging] Non-geometrical ways in boundary relations

2017-01-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Tom, I think we need to have consensus about what we mean by admin centre. > +1 In my area, a local mapper also had the idea of adding the town hall building into the boundary relation. I did not revert this even

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=grass - boots on change to wiki

2017-01-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > If the grassed area needs to be tagged then tag WHAT IS THERE ... > landcover=grass (or natural=grass) ... the land is use in a highway > situation to provide safety for the highway users .. it is not for the use > of the

Re: [Tagging] Coworking space: amenity vs. office ?

2017-01-04 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Arguably, if the coworking space intened to accomodate professional > carpenters who worked for different companies, maybe that would be > coworking. But really coworking is about something that feels like an > office with

Re: [Tagging] Artworks inside the Louvre

2016-07-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
My initial reaction, and one that you've mentioned, is to add indoor=yes. But then, you need to make some specific rules on which objects tagged indoor=yes get hidden in rendering (like artworks?) and those that still probably deserve to be rendered (like cinemas inside shopping malls?). On Sun,

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-21 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On 3/22/16, Janko Mihelić wrote: > ned, 20. ožu 2016. 04:55 John Willis je napisao: > >> >> This entire subject about mountains is the most infuriating topic I have >> ever dealt with as an OSM mapper. >> > > You actually already have all the data you need, and

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] If a school is a shelter when a disaster happens...

2015-12-31 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > besides the precise tagging (social facility or emergency), I just want to > point out that you can have 2 main tags for the same area (overlapping), > just not on the same object. > You could for instance

Re: [Tagging] Lights other than highway=street_lamp

2015-12-15 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Try the following proposed light source tagging scheme: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:light_source The scheme's primary key, light_source=*, is currently used 2854 times: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/light_source On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Mike Thompson

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-05 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
This has been discussed somewhat last year: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-July/018517.html https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-September/019338.html See also this tagging proposal:

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 29/09/2015 9:10 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > >> On 9/29/15, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> b) indicating floor level in the mall is useful, and look

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On 9/29/15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> b) indicating floor level in the mall is useful, and looking at the wiki >> shows that the tag addr:floor=* is suggested - but it only has 158 uses - >> which is amazingly small. is this the right key to indicate what floor a >>

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:40 AM, John Willis wrote: > I think most business/dwellings don't have floor in their address, which > is why its usage (152 for points) is so low. > Actually, Taginfo says that addr:floor is used 4314 times (3162 on nodes):

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:40 AM, John Willis wrote: > Isn't addr:* for its postal / legal location definition? > > What if the floor level is not part of its address? I think most > business/dwellings don't have floor in their address, which is why its > usage (152 for points) is

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: To leave a tag that describes it as a pub (when it is not) then add another tag that says it is not a pub is plain daft. +1 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Disputed area

2015-07-22 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Eugene Alvin Villar: My idea is to replace the use of 'inner', 'outer' (and the deprecated 'exclave', and 'enclave') roles in a type=boundary relation with 'defacto' and 'dejure' (or 'claimed') roles. The 'inner' and 'outer' roles are very trivial to compute (assuming a relation is properly

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-11 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: that's why I suggested to use a multi tag approach. One tag to say it is a government office, one to say at which level (admin level) and then tags for the stuff you can do there (property list) or about the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-02 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussions and 5% progress. The whole is not a marketable product; it's not fit to be rated as 'beta'. Is this a significant

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-02 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On 6/3/15, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com mailto:pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-27 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: In the US where there are mailboxes with the little flags on them it seems correct to put the address on the node for that box. Common sense really. Mike, you keep on insisting that addresses should always be put on

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

2015-05-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I, too, object. level=* is meant to be the numeric stacking order of floors/levels in a building. One redundant tag to level=* is addr:floor=*. This tag currently has the same definition as level=* (with the same numbering convention). I propose that we use addr:floor=* instead for your string

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

2015-05-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:18 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of stable ids, how does wikidata handle renames, merges and splits on the wikipedia side ? Even in the best-case scenario, it seems that an OSM wikidata tag can drift off-target following reorganisations

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

2015-05-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 10.05.2015 10:38, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits the intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on whether the value should

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

2015-05-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits the intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on whether the value should be human-readable or machine-readable can be solved by using correspondence tables to link the two. Barring such a table, I don't

Re: [Tagging] Paintball

2015-04-11 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Isn't shooting just aiming at non-living targets like what is seen in the Olympics? If so, then paintball is definitely different. On 4/12/15, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: There is still the question if it's sport=shooting + shooting=paintball or sport=paintball. They are both used

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On 1/26/15, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: I think this can be a useful new tag. And I think it makes sense to define explicitly some things in the documentation. Things like – use always (or use never) “Saint”: “Saint Paul” vs “Paul”. – write the name of the dedication always in

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a corner address with addr:street:corner=*

2015-01-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Friedrich, On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: Here in Austria, we sometimes use corner addresses informally, when verbally (e.g. on the phone) arranging an appointment, or when describing how to find a certain shop. But these discriptions are not

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-15 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Given the current discussion, I wonder if roads that are usually flooded during heavy rainfall should be also be tagged as waterway=river/stream and intermittent=yes. ;-) On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:27 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I would recommend expanding the definition of

[Tagging] Tagging a corner address with addr:street:corner=*

2015-01-15 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hello, In my country (Philippines), many corner addresses are specified with the intersecting street instead of (or in addition to) the house or building number. This actually makes sense because the house numbers are not immediately obvious when looking at a map, but intersections are quite easy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: The only other tag that would work is amenity=fitness_centre. Taginfo would indicate that amenity is the most used. Taginfo results leisure=fitness_centre (and other spelling variations) = 452

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-21 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: In the UK designation= is in wide usage for this. +1 I think designation=* fits perfectly with what is intended by the OP's proposal. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Various alt_name values?

2014-11-24 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
+1 I agree with alt_name=name1;name2 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com wrote: Some time ago, there was a discussion on the “talk” mailing list about how to deal with the situation of more than one alt_name:

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On 9/20/14, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-09-19 15:52 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: I still prefer (d) though if building=dormitory becomes widely accepted then I guess I shall have to swallow that loss for British english! Wouldn't be the first time if ever:

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:09 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Dormitories are rooms with multiple beds, usually bunk beds and associated with youth hostels, certainly not suitable for student accommodation where there is typically one student in a room, maybe two but they are certainly not

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-08-27 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
% of them are buildings. Eugene Alvin Villar wrote, on 2014-08-26 23:34: This completely ignores the current practice all over the world (especially in Asia) where the landuse is already tagged with amenity=place_of_worship. Some examples: Buddhist temples in Tokyo, Japan: http://overpass

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-08-26 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: Thus the comparison with [amenity=school], that can be easily expanded to the whole campus, fails for [amenity=place_of_worship]. To conclude, [amenity=place_of_worship] should not be expanded to the full campus,

Re: [Tagging] minus or underscore in attribute values?

2014-08-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: Hi, another mapper metnioned to me that it is unusual to have attribute values with a minus, like bridge:structure=cable-stayed On the other hand, it is an apporved proposal - what are the opinions on that? Based

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: What should we sue to link to Wikimedia commons categories like: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Paul,_Birmingham I've previously used Wikimedia_Commons=, but that's verbose; and I seem to be

Re: [Tagging] Multistory medical office building

2014-07-31 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Is this a building completely separate from a hospital? I encounter these buildings as part of a hospital complex and so include them in an area tagged with amenity=hospital. On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering how to tag a 2 story medical

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised about this discussion. Think that amenity=place_of_worship has to be treated like amenity=school. Nobody is asking to create a landuse=school because it is rendered properly on the main osm style. The problem is

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure church grounds is a place of worship. People don't usually worship God in an organized manner besides the church. There are actually a lot of churches where I am where the Catholic 14 Stations of the Cross are

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with place_of_worship only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. I hear what you're saying, but with a tag that's used 600K

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Jesse B. Crawford je...@jbcrawford.us wrote: Something I've noticed as an American that works with many foreign nationals is that the majority of people who learn English in a foreign country seem to learn British English - my sample may be biased since I

Re: [Tagging] Subsequent wikipedia links

2014-07-01 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:48 AM, yvecai yve...@gmail.com wrote: I would find more logical to make links between databases with queries rather by adding external references in one or the other. The later looks like the poor man job (oversimplifying, I don't want to put down the great job done

Re: [Tagging] admin_level on nodes: wiki vs practice

2014-05-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I think an explicit tagging scheme that specifies the correspondence between place=* tags and admin_level=* tags is a good thing. On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, We're having a little discussion in the Brazilian community

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-02 0:46 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: I'm not so sure about operator:wikidata=* (or wikidata:operator=* as suggested on the wiki talk page) and the other similar tags like that. I think

Re: [Tagging] Issues relating to URIs and tagging

2014-04-01 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: The model used there fails with Wikipedia links, expressed as en:Example, because the equivalent URL is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example. Any suggestions for dealing with that? [...] ambiguous keys (ref=1234

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