Re: [Tagging] Mapping a negative

2011-11-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 November 2011 16:12, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I've run into a curious use of a tag, to map the lack of a thing. At least that's what I think mappers are doing. One might normally expect a well, mountain hut, highway rest area, or toilet to offer drinking water. Some

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-08-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 August 2011 12:00, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: amenity=car_rental rental:truck=yes Works now and in the future. You could always dual tag and at some point in the future have a bot clean things up. shop=rental rental:plant=yes* Works in the future. Steve * plant

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2011 08:50, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i'll add this alongside car_rental and bicycle_rental unless someone makes a strong case against it. there are many truck_rental sites in the US (common brands are UHaul, Penske, and Ryder). Or the better question, why should

[Tagging] More granular tagging of airports

2011-06-26 Thread John Smith
For those that missed the email that came up on talk this week, someone has imported a lot of airports and so on for NZ and it looks horrible because they show at z10: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.243lon=175.014zoom=10layers=M Looking through the wiki I found this proposal:

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2011 20:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/25 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should show up sooner than grass airstrips

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 June 2011 02:38, Alan Millar grunthos...@yahoo.com wrote: As has been said a number of times, OSM is a do-ocracy. At this point, more discussions just aren't going to resolve it. A little discussion might allow us to harmonise tags, so 10 people don't go off and do their own thing and

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

2011-06-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 June 2011 14:04, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I'll elaborate on why this is a bad idea: 1. It's a lot of tags Only if you want it to be, just like some people tagging trees, most won't so this isn't an issue 2. It won't get used in real life Never assume this, after all

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

2011-06-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 June 2011 02:33, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with these types of proposals, of N levels of depth of a tag, is that they quickly become complex, and thus get unused. You, Dr. Who, are proposing changing shop=pets to now: shop=pets animals:fish=yes and

Re: [Tagging] Paint your own pottery

2011-06-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 June 2011 06:21, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi Another query... http://www.crockadoodledo.co.uk/ it's a place where you can create your own design on crockery such as plates,mugs etc. it's not really a craft shop as it doesn't sell supplies just the kiln fired end

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

2011-06-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 June 2011 06:16, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi Is there a specific tag for pet supplies (food, collars, chew toys etc) I'm used to pet stores being ambigious, and don' have a problem with that. But

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 June 2011 10:08, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: In Australia, 'going to the club' means (generally) going to a licenced members-only venue, often associated with sports but generally not where sports are played.  www.clubsvic.com.au and www.clubsnsw.com.au for example (second

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 23:58, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: As a proposal you can almost added it the same way on the wiki as a approved tag and you can change anything that might not work or find a better solution while testing. I've done this in the past and set the status to defacto, rather

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2011 17:02, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I don't know of any, but I would go with emergency=phone, and specify maybe in another tag phone=fire_alarm or some such thing. The description of emergency=phone includes 'making calls to emergency services' so it is not necessarily

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2011 17:10, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 June 2011 17:02, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I don't know of any, but I would go with emergency=phone, and specify maybe in another tag phone=fire_alarm or some such thing. The description of emergency=phone

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2011 17:44, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:10 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 June 2011 17:02, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I don't know of any, but I would go with emergency=phone, and specify maybe in another tag phone

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tower:type=lighting proposal

2011-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2011 01:36, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO both are not really towers. I'd consider the tower John proposes as a kind of lightning device that is not a tower (although being cantilevered). Not my proposal... ___

[Tagging] Fwd: tower:type=lighting proposal

2011-05-27 Thread John Smith
I propose the following new tag {{tag|tower:type|lighting}} as follows: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tag:man_made%3Dtowerdiff=nextoldid=639593 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-12 Thread John Smith
Out of boredom I tried to think up all the non-physical tags currently in wide spread use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:historic%3Devent#Why_even_obscure_tags_should_be_documented_if_they_are_likely_to_be_mapped.21 I doubt the list is exhaustive, but these are obviously important

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread John Smith
On 11 May 2011 23:04, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: The wiki should be a place to document the various parts of OSM, and for things like software it can be useful. For tags, however, it is getting

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people, and people have already shown that there are physical places that can be mapped. In fact the only thing that will be

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 00:50, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 00:59, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: In fact the only thing that will be accomplished by removing references on the wiki is people will use multiple key/value pairs for the same type of object because

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:54 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, they already do use it: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/historic%3Aevent#values No, I meant more like historic=pa I have no idea what

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 01:34, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote:   Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: It's being used for a Maori fortress, see

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 04:15, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. there is a place in Rome which is said to be the locus where Julius Cesar was stabbed by Brutus. I find this interesting and I I hadn't thought about assassinations, but all it took was an assassination to kick start

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2011 02:02, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: To reduce the danger of edit wars: what about _not_ defining the events explicitly significant (most of German Wikipedia disputes are about relevance criteria and I'd rather avoid similar discussions in OSM if possible). Of

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
After digging further into this, and with all XAPI servers seemingly unresponsive I looked toward tagwatch, the following are historic values of curious note: yes (5053) pa (2138) battlefield (331) Altstraße (80) heritage (76) tumulus (60) industrial (54) coat_of_arms (54) hollow_way (41) road

Re: [Tagging] Formerly proposed highways

2011-05-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 May 2011 06:28, Andrew Cleveland evil.salt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can the highway=proposed tag apply to highways which were proposed but are no longer? As in the road was never constructed and the proposal was abandoned? The wiki says the tag is for roads that are about to be built,

Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 April 2011 17:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: historic=event and event=event-class? or historic:event=yes/event-class ? I like this suggestion. I noticed in JOSM there is a historic=battlefield, but this and other similar events, like David's suggestion about the

Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 April 2011 10:35, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I agree in part, but this isnt just any news story or photo. +1 That doesnt detract from the original question, of what to map a site of historic significance. Im sure the location of the great train robbery or an the

Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 April 2011 11:40, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 4/27/11 8:47 PM, John Smith wrote: If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. identifiable, physical objects that exist today, sure. That's the catch

[Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...

2011-04-23 Thread John Smith
Does any one have any thoughts on what to tag a location famous for 2 reasons, first it was a spot where a stage coach was held up by thunderbolt, secondly because someone did a painting of the event after the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailed_Up There is no marker at the site or

Re: [Tagging] Traffic Lights, but only for one direction on a highway that isn't divided

2011-04-13 Thread John Smith
On 13 April 2011 17:06, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Not the same situation here NE2. There are no traffic lights at all installed in either place for the inbound direction, just outbound. Is the 2 directions of the highway have some kind of barrier down the middle? If you

Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses

2011-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2011 19:22, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Recently I found this sign which I interpret as access forbidden to touristic busses: http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6610385 It is at a driveway to the local cemetery, near a very popular monument (unesco

Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses

2011-04-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 April 2011 20:01, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/12 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: My first idea was tourist_bus=no Why not use access:*=* ? Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why I should change this standard here

Re: [Tagging] [talk-au] How to tag reaches (segments of a waterway)?

2011-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2011 18:22, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to map some named reaches (straight portion of a stream or river, as from one turn to another;) part of a major river. To do this I would shift the river specific information to a relation, which is useful in any

[Tagging] office=administrative...

2011-03-07 Thread John Smith
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:officeoldid=573918diff=next That is kind of contradictive, since local authorities are also government and I don't think there is sufficient need to distinguish between local, state and federal (where applicable) offices, the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 21:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: broken by design... There won't be an invalid polygon, there would be 2 valid but contradicting polygons. Which are sorted by smallest first usually so they render on top of the larger ones.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 21:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: This is a method of trying to extract useful data from an undefined state making assumptions, but it is IMHO not how we should design our data model. This would also mean that even with complete data for the whole

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-30 Thread John Smith
2011/1/31 Johan Jönsson joha...@goteborg.cc: If used with the natural-key then it should at least be possible to use the same way as natural=wetland with subtags of wetland=.. natural=rockland :-) I started a new thread on that. Not all rocky surfaces are natural, just like sand being used

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 29 January 2011 23:05, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: So there is no overlapping of landcover and natural. Surface could be used in many cases instead of landcover, but according to the wiki it is: The surface=* tag is one of the additional properties tags, which can be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 00:36, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: also from a data consuming e.g. rendering point of view I see more disadvantage then advantage to not separate landcover as a feature from surface as an attribute to highways. Can you expand upon that with a less vague

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 00:32, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: can you point me to this decision? In my mapping I almost never see http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2873 That was the follow up etc, I can't find the original thread, however it would have been about the same time.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 01:22, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Come on, it was never expanded, you would like it to be expanded. You are yet to show how landcover=* makes things better. All I see landcover=* doing is duplicating surface=* and confusing people. As for expansion, you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 03:28, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: It is mainly the meaning, surface refers to the surface while landcover refers to the general coverage. I agree that sand is a good value for surface, but at the same time there could be landcover=trees. Isn't there

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-29 Thread John Smith
On 30 January 2011 03:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/29 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I could also support surface (there might be space for landcover as well). Actually surface=sand or bare_rock makes perfectly sense. even though this creates

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-28 Thread John Smith
On 28 January 2011 21:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, IMHO (I'm not an English native) this is not scree. I would tag them landcover=bare_rock (or depending on the size landcover=pebbles) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wave_Retreating_from_Pebbles.jpg Why bother

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - natural=bare_rock

2011-01-26 Thread John Smith
On 27 January 2011 06:22, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: PS: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover Why keep pushing this instead of just using surface=* which is widely used and accepted already? ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Scuba diving (Shop or spot)

2011-01-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 January 2011 18:34, Sean Horgan sean.hor...@gmail.com wrote: Are you referring to SNUBA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuba Nope, they've been line diving a lot longer than that, and dying for about the same amount of time... ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-23 Thread John Smith
On 24 January 2011 13:51, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: We don't map only based on legal distinctions. It's not a bad thing to see how others solved similar problems all the same. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 January 2011 07:53, Steve Doerr steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On 09/01/2011 00:48, John Smith wrote: the centre of the boundary and the centre of the boundary will rarely be the same thing ? centre of the boundary and the centre of the town

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 January 2011 16:49, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: atlases etc. A town of 50,000 would barely even rate a mention in France, whereas that's pretty big for Australia. And a town like Eucla in the nullarbor (pop 50) has very high prominence as it's the only place for many miles

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Scuba diving (Shop or spot)

2011-01-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 January 2011 17:34, rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: Literally, you are right. In the scuba world rebreather diving and snorkle diving are a part of what scuba divers do. Erm no... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuba_diving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkling

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Scuba diving (Shop or spot)

2011-01-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 January 2011 04:27, Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: (scuba_diving is better then Dive_centre because also dive spots can have filling facilities without having a divecentre nearby.) My point before is that scuba is only one type of diving, you can also snorkle or use a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Metropolis

2011-01-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 January 2011 05:41, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/18 Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info: Great idea to reactivate is again. New times, new ideas. I think capitals should be tagged to be Metropolis to also when they do not have enough inhibitans to be granted

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 January 2011 09:18, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: waterway=flood_gate flood_gate=sluice_gate ...is more usable for non-techie nerds than something like: waterway=flow_control flow_control=sluice_gate usage=flood_gate So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks? -1

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 January 2011 16:13, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks? The tagging system as a whole will never be entirely consistent, or even operate on consistent

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 January 2011 04:40, Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it wrote: Maybe the handycraft value might hint that the craft key is used in OSM with a broader meaning? Actually that would indicate to me it was very specific to art works made by hand which would be a much narrower meaning.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 January 2011 02:06, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: comment on emergency=*, and I oppose treating bridge/tunnel signals the same as those in front of fire stations. +1 they aren't emergency signals, they just aren't used all the time, and you can also get regular traffic

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency Traffic Signals

2011-01-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 January 2011 16:10, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 01/12/2011 11:33 PM, James Mast wrote: I've created a proposal for Emergency Traffic Signals, which are typically found in front of fire stations and highway tunnels at

[Tagging] Karting...

2011-01-10 Thread John Smith
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:sportdiff=prevoldid=583789 I'd be more inclined to use the English and shorten it to just sport=cart ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Karting...

2011-01-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 January 2011 23:52, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely with a k. I actually tagged this sport recently, I took a Did I really need to say british english? cart with a k is american english. punt on sport=go_karting. Either that or sport=karting sounds ok to me.

Re: [Tagging] Karting...

2011-01-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 January 2011 00:47, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 January 2011 23:52, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely with a k. I actually tagged this sport recently, I took a Did I really

Re: [Tagging] Is the key leisure only a physical ta?

2011-01-10 Thread John Smith
2011/1/11 Johan Jönsson joha...@goteborg.cc: From the wiki, I have drawn the conclusion that the key leisure is used to tag physical objects. Can it be used for non-physical tags too? Is it possible to tag leisure=bathing; swimming; eating; drinking; eating and drinking are usually tagged

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re: Towing service?

2011-01-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 January 2011 10:28, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I wrote this before I realized there were other replies on this topic. Based on them, it seems the closest fit is office=towing, since that's what such a place is primarily used for - accounting, answering the phone, etc.

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 20:54, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: As it doesn't actually matter which words for tags we use, as long as their use is generally agreed (see highway for instance), I could go on with craft in the way it is currently defined. It shouldn't matter, however

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 January 2011 09:29, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, that's very interesting - I didn't think of that. Australian towns tend to be very far apart, so the boundary of two *towns* rarely meet. (Other administrative boundaries, shires, do...) There are suburb boundaries gazetted

Re: [Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 January 2011 01:42, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I can't comment on the rest, but sport=swimming is incorrect unless the area is for competitive swimming. -1 Swimming pools don't have to be for competitive swimming, eg kiddy pools, but they aren't for bathing in either.

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 10:39, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Can anyone tell me the difference between these two tags? Only place=town appears to be documented. Both have ~~4000 usages on ways. The place marker should be part of the boundary as well, because the centre of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 13:36, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I've been looking into this. How does this sound? waterway=dam and waterway=weir remain unchanged. I'm still in favour of shifting these into flow control... The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong there

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 13:37, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm starting to be convinced that there is a cultural disconnect with the word craft. To me (and I suspect most English speakers) there has to almost be an arts aspect for something to be a craft. Whereas I'm starting to get the

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 19:25, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:50 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: What about shop=service Errg, no. All shops provide a kind of service... Don't forget the key office if it is not really a shop: http

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 20:26, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 January 2011 20:19, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, a shop would be to get in, buy something (or at least get some service done) and go out. That's not the case here. A towing service will get

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 January 2011 02:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I guess this misunderstanding derives from German ;-) In German there is a word Laden (m.) which is usually translated as shop, but the actual meaning is not as broad as shop in English. Actually it only describes

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 January 2011 08:33, Surly_ru p...@isnet.ru wrote: I agree that shop=workshop, workshop=whatever is a good solution to this issue. +1, it could be combined with craft to map the kind of workshop. I think, craft=* (may be with man_made=works) is sufficient. So shop=workshop is

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 01:44, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: More organisation would surely help, but this is in contrast with the wiki principle. For the most part things could stay as status quo, it's only existing/well established tags, such as waterway=dam|weir that might fit

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 07:03, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, but it's a matter of defining a line between chaos and coordinated anarchy. It seems that many OSMers would not want to go any further than an anarchy, this may be ok, but for the data to be somehow useful (and not

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-06 Thread John Smith
Things seem to have gotten way off track, I started this thread to get ideas/feedback on how we could replace an existing tag like waterway=weir and instead make it a subtag along with other similar flow control tags like dams, sluice_gates, flood_gates, lock_gates and so on... Any talk about a

Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 09:18, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. It could get increasingly difficult to objectively distinguish between all the different types of man-made water channel: canal, drain, aqueduct. (Incidentally, taginfo shows 40,000 uses of waterway=artificial - anyone know

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 12:26, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I can't find a tag for the base of operations of a towing service - i.e. you call them to tow your broken car or truck to a repair shop. The basic definition would be a service that tows cars and other light vehicles.

[Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 08:47, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the basis that it's not possible to move any established tag. Would be happy to hear suggestions for how to accomplish that, though. This seems to be an area that OSM *really* lacks, and some people give usage of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 10:16, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: too easily confused with shops selling products made from babies. Apart from research facilities using baby stem cells, what products are made from babies? :) ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 13:52, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: How does one tag aqueducts that are not bridges? Examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quabbin_Aqueduct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicopee_Valley_Aqueduct Based on those I'd use tunnel=yes

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 14:07, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is that this mailing list and talk@ reach a pretty small proportion of users. Simply announcing we're changing the tag! please tag differently from now on! is not remotely sufficient. As I stated I was spit balling and

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 14:23, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: It would be nice to have a list that map data consumers could subscribe to that we could poll to verify that they are or are not using a tag, or get clarification on how they are using a tag. (Just what we needanother blankin'

Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 14:10, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Or perhaps waterway=drain, if you're not fussed about the distinction between stormwater and drinking water. Or subtag waterway=conduit conduit=storm_water|potable_water|waste_water|

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 January 2011 16:46, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: In your thinking there seems to be the assumption that we run some process *per tag*. I think it works better to run a process *per schema revision*. Oh, a regular update schedule, that might be a good idea, however ... Let's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 January 2011 07:19, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: BTW: My feeling is, that sluice gates formerly were tagged with waterway=weir most of the time anyway. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be updated/added if there is a better tag... The suggested term floodgate would be more

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Baby care shop

2011-01-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 January 2011 04:06, Osmisto osmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all The vote for new tag shop=baby_care has been started. I've removed section with 'assortment=*' to make it simple and propose one thing in a time. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Infant_care_shop#Vote

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 January 2011 11:38, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wary of the endless drive to create more high-level tags. It increases the burden on reusers of the data. Normally I'd agree with you 100%, but in this case it's a bit different because as pointed out earlier weirs tend to be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Draft - Depot

2011-01-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 January 2011 10:39, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Then you get the ambiguous tags, which can be both. What is a forest? A place where forestry (timber cutting, etc) happens? That's land Actually I remember reading this in some other thread a long time ago, a forest originally

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: What's the difference to waterway=weir? A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just semi-dam a river to provide a water supply for nearby towns, the water freely flows over the top of the weir.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 January 2011 21:06, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: like this http://museumvictoria.museum/collections/items/766657/negative-weir-bridge-across-the-murray-river-mildura-victoria-circa-1925 I doubt I've seen such a large weir in person, I was thinking more along the lines of this:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 January 2011 21:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO the difference is that a weir is used to control the water level (and sometimes used to produce energy) while a sluice gate is used for ships to navigate in rivers/canals with different levels (it is part of steps

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 January 2011 11:59, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small waterways in agricultural areas at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate You might want to add an example photo for those not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tree Nursery

2010-12-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 December 2010 02:22, Kenny Moens street...@functor.be wrote: Hello, Hereby I want to invite everyone to comment on the Tree Nursery proposal I made: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tree_nursery Is there a reason that you want such a specific tag? There is also an

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread John Smith
On 15 November 2010 06:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually already doing this: landcover=tree. There is already 2545 entities of them in the db. You could still use a different surface there by the way, so it is not superfluous. Also landcover=scree, grass, ice,

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 November 2010 09:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The whole nature_reserve as an area is broken. it is clearly an area. What else should it be? All boundaries delimit areas. I agree, but what does that have to do with surface tagging?

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 November 2010 10:03, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/16 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: I've already been tagging beaches and other areas as surface=sand, how does using landcover make this any better? I agree that in this case it is the same. For trees

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 November 2010 10:33, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: problem. Anyway, there is a nice proposal for golf courses and surface doesn't seem to be in it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Golf_course Past tagging discussion updated the surface=* tag to do

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