Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-21 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 16/10/2020 09:31, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Oct 15, 2020, 22:18 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-19 Thread Emvee via Tagging
This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (if we like this or not is a different question, but it's established tagging, and the wiki is supposed to

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-19 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 19/10/2020 11:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: Martin, please do not even think about deprecating a tagging that is heavily used.like highway=crossing with bicycke=no|yes|dismount I do not call highway=crossing with bicycle=no|dismount heavily used. On some locations the density is higher but on

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-19 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 18/10/2020 10:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Oct 18, 2020, 10:27 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: Generally, I would propose to only tag

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing node, but refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle or foot tags). The

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allowed but on crossing

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 16/10/2020 09:06, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It does not currently take any account of bicycle=no on a crossing, not least because bicycle=no is a very problematic tag - generally bicycle=dismount should be used instead, reserving bicycle=no for those circumstances where even pushing a bike is

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-18 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 15/10/2020 17:36, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: I've always been surprised to see a footway=crossing/cycleway=crossing way with the intersection node tagged as highway=crossing. There's only a single physical crossing, so this seems contra to the one-feature-one-element rule. A highway=crossing

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Emvee via Tagging
Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allowed but on crossing with road oneis supposed

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Emvee via Tagging
Also, what "to mean bicyle=no in node context" is exactly supposed to mean? (I am guess based on your earlier claim, but I am not sure whatever I guessed correctly) In node context means that the router only looks at the data belong to the node to decide what costs to add. See also the end

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Emvee via Tagging
This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (if we like this or not is a different question, but it's established tagging, and the wiki is supposed to describe

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-13 Thread Emvee via Tagging
On 13/10/2020 16:07, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 8:07 AM OSM mailto:o...@bavarianmallet.de>> wrote: How to solve the issue with a single crossing node at highway= without a crossing highway= because of "sideway tagging by tags on highway" mapping? I don't try

Re: [Tagging] bicycle lane on mini-rounabout

2020-10-11 Thread Emvee via Tagging
How do I tag a bicycle lane (way.Type element on a mini-roundabout (node-type element)?. Example: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/-yxlx8FNVBHgMC7LH9eFNA I would say cycleway=lane. Remarkable enough no node with

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-10 Thread Emvee via Tagging
I agree that splitting way and having short section as footway is also correct tagging and making data processing easier for router. Normally splitting is not needed but yes, for uncommon/strange situations the part of the way that is actually crossing the way can be tagged with the needed

[Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-07 Thread Emvee via Tagging
Basic question I think, for a bicycle router bicycle=no on a node means it should "avoid" crossing the node likely by adding a moderate penalty as the cyclist could make the choice to dismount passing the node. I know at least on bicycle router implementing it this way, see