Re: [Tagging] reviving hollow way

On 2/19/18 6:37 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 19. Feb 2018, at 22:28, Richard Welty > wrote: > >> i know of examples in both italy and the US. the italian ones >> i've seen are older and thus much more sunken than the ones in the US.

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sent from a phone > On 20. Feb 2018, at 18:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > That said, I have no view regarding the use of the term in tagging. according to the actual statistics, there almost 5000 historic=hollow_way and 1 (one) historic=sunken_lane (also checked

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On 19 February 2018 at 09:00, Philip Barnes wrote: > As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow Way Well, as a native English speaker, I have. It's what gave the name to "Holloway Head", in Birmingham: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/430568379

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On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > As Andy says Hollow Way is an archaic term, of which the Oxford English > Dictionary contains many. > > More contemporary organisations use the term sunken lane for example > The National Trust >

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On 02/20/2018 08:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 20. Feb 2018, at 00:57, Dave F wrote: But not for its original purpose, as it is in this cae in the original “purpose”, yes. A historic=memorial is and likely ever was a memorial.

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On 20/02/2018 07:40, joost schouppe wrote: Some of the most used historical tags are for things that are just old, not necessarily disused or with another use than the original one. As I said, everything has a history. Wayside cross and shrine, monuments, memorials, castles etc. It just

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...and water. As the On 20/02/2018 14:30, Philip Barnes wrote: In this case, they are old and have a history. They started as tracks and usually still are. Which is why they should be tagged as track/footway etc. They are sunken purely by the passage of time, wear from feet, hooves and

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In this case, they are old and have a history. They started as tracks and usually still are. They are sunken purely by the passage of time, wear from feet, hooves and cartwheels. Phil (trigpoint) On 20 February 2018 13:57:33 GMT+00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >

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On Mon, 2018-02-19 at 20:20 +, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 19/02/2018 09:00, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow > > Way, > > however reading the description it seems that this proposal is > > describing what is called a Sunken Lane. > >

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sent from a phone > On 20. Feb 2018, at 00:57, Dave F wrote: > > But not for its original purpose, as it is in this cae in the original “purpose”, yes. A historic=memorial is and likely ever was a memorial. An archaeological site was something else in the past,

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On 20/02/2018 07:40, joost schouppe wrote: Some of the most used historical tags are for things that are just old, not necessarily disused or with another use than the original one. Wayside cross and shrine, monuments, memorials, castles etc. It just seems to signify a special relationship

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Some of the most used historical tags are for things that are just old, not necessarily disused or with another use than the original one. Wayside cross and shrine, monuments, memorials, castles etc. It just seems to signify a special relationship with history, not much more than that. But then

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I am actually a bit surprised by this. It may be a research related term, but "hollow way" seems quite common in British English archaeology... See these links: - Historic England: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1016748 - Shorne Woods Arhaeology Group:

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On 19/02/2018 23:16, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: everything we tag is still what it is. A historic=archaeological_site is also “used” as archaeological site, or a historic=memorial. But not for its original purpose, as it is in this cae DaveF

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sent from a phone > On 19. Feb 2018, at 22:28, Richard Welty wrote: > > i know of examples in both italy and the US. the italian ones > i've seen are older and thus much more sunken than the ones in the US. in Italy there are also “a lot” of historic cuttings (in

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> On Feb 19, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > cutting=sunken_lane feels good. this feels right to me too. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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sent from a phone > On 19. Feb 2018, at 19:33, Dave F wrote: > > If something is still in use then historic is the wrong tag. everything we tag is still what it is. A historic=archaeological_site is also “used” as archaeological site, or a historic=memorial.

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On 2/19/18 3:20 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 19/02/2018 09:00, Philip Barnes wrote: > >> As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow Way, >> however reading the description it seems that this proposal is >> describing what is called a Sunken Lane. > > Might need a bit more

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On 19/02/2018 20:59, Jo wrote: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/holloway Indeed - but if you actually read the links there you'll see Bill Bryson's comment on that very page ("In different regions they go by different names...").  He's someone who's studied the origin of the language in both

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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/holloway 2018-02-19 21:20 GMT+01:00 Steve Doerr : > On 19/02/2018 09:00, Philip Barnes wrote: > > As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow Way, >> however reading the description it seems that this proposal is

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On 19/02/2018 11:32, Colin Smale wrote: Why historic? It still is a sunken lane. If something is still in use then historic is the wrong tag. Everything, even the most recently open roads, have a history even if it's a short one. DaveF ___

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On 19/02/2018 09:00, Philip Barnes wrote: Hi Joost As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow Way, however reading the description it seems that this proposal is describing what is called a Sunken Lane. I would avoid cutting as that implies something that has been cut

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On 19.02.2018 11:48, joost schouppe wrote: Hollow way is probably a germanism; it's what sunken lanes are literally Right: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hohlweg=images ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

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2018-02-19 12:32 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > Wikipedia says they are also known as hollow way - you learn something > every day. Sunken Lane appears to be the preferred terminology however. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunken_lane > Germans are writing in the English

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2018-02-19 11:48 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe : > Hi, > > Hollow way is probably a germanism; it's what sunken lanes are literally > called in Dutch too. I absolutely agree that we should stick to British > English for tags, wherever possible. So if we change the proposal to

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Wikipedia says they are also known as hollow way - you learn something every day. Sunken Lane appears to be the preferred terminology however. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunken_lane Why historic? It still is a sunken lane. If you go back a couple of hundred years it probably wasn't though -

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> > Hi Joost > As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow Way, > however reading the description it seems that this proposal is describing > what is called a Sunken Lane. > > I would avoid cutting as that implies something that has been cut > deliberately for the construction

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On 19/02/2018 09:00, Philip Barnes wrote: Hi Joost As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow Way, however reading the description it seems that this proposal is describing what is called a Sunken Lane. I would avoid cutting as that implies something that has been cut

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Hi Joost As a native English speaker I have never heard the term Hollow Way, however reading the description it seems that this proposal is describing what is called a Sunken Lane. I would avoid cutting as that implies something that has been cut deliberately for the construction of a