Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-22 Thread Jo
2012/1/22 Dave F. > On 17/01/2012 15:41, Jo wrote: > >> For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I >> think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, >> i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in >> between for

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-22 Thread Dave F.
On 17/01/2012 15:41, Jo wrote: For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in between for its definition. That would be

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-18 Thread Dave F.
On 17/01/2012 12:45, Nathan Edgars II wrote: . Residential roads are obviously part of a residential landuse. People don't general live in the middle of the road (unless you're one of Monty Python's Four Yorkshiremen, of course). Highways are maintained by local/national authorities not the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 16:41 +0100, Jo wrote: > For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on > OSM, I think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to > the roads, i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a > small space in between for its definition

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 10:18 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > 2012/1/17 Volker Schmidt : > > >> it is > >> simply not helpful from a practical point of view. What additional > >> information do I gain from excluding the road from the l

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 15:25 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Regarding Landuse=residential I do not agree with the approach of the > two examples > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=35.323225&lon=-119.077089&zoom=18 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=45.301967&lon=8.444596&zoom=18 > > > Ap

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 08:30 -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 1/17/2012 8:10 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > > I find it useless to map such wide areas as landuses. There's no point > > in tagging a whole village's area as landuse=residential, and there's > > no point in making a sixty-km-wide polygo

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Jo wrote: > For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I > think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, > i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in > between for its defini

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jo wrote: > For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I > think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, > i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in > between for its definition

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/17 Jo : > So you'll often observe me joining adjacent landuses for places I want to > render or places I get serious about retracing from Bing or cleaning up non > ODBL compliant data. I think this is where the problem starts: people removing detail from the map data which other mappers ad

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/17 Richard Weait : >> you get the border between public and private land. Why is that not >> helpful or interesting? > > You get the border between public and private land _wrong_.  In my > experience, the property line is not at the curb, but some distance > back from the curb.  A reserved

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Jo : > For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I > think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, > i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in > between for its definition. > I also prefer to create la

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Jo
For what it's worth. When I start rendering/printing maps based on OSM, I think it's extremely ugly if the landuse is not 'connected' to the roads, i.e. that the landuse uses separate parallel ways with a small space in between for its definition. I also prefer to create landuses as big as practica

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > In my > experience, the property line is not at the curb, but some distance > back from the curb.  A reserved area is held for utilities, road > expansion, snowplow debris, etc. Depends a lot on the jurisdiction (in some jurisdictions the p

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
> you get the border between public and private land. Why is that not > helpful or interesting? > > I think this is the basic point of my objection: I believe that OSM maps what is out there, not what is legally defined in some document to which we normally have no access. I am interested surely i

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2012/1/17 Volker Schmidt : >> it is >> simply not helpful from a practical point of view. What additional >> information do I gain from excluding the road from the landuse area, it is >> anyway clear that people do not live on roads. >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/17 Volker Schmidt : > Apart from the aspect of overcrowding any map produced from this data, what do you mean? In lower zoom levels it looks exactly the same: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.32655&lon=-119.07474&zoom=15&layers=M and in closeups you get the detail that otherwise would

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread sabas88
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/highway ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Regarding Landuse=residential I do not agree with the approach of the two > examples > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=35.323225&lon=-119.077089&zoom=18 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=45.301967&lon=8.444596&zoom=18 > > Apart f

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
Regarding Landuse=residential I do not agree with the approach of the two examples http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=35.323225&lon=-119.077089&zoom=18 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=45.301967&lon=8.444596&zoom=18 Apart from the aspect of overcrowding any map produced from this data, it

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II : > On 1/17/2012 8:10 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: >> >> I find it useless to map such wide areas as landuses. There's no point >> in tagging a whole village's area as landuse=residential, and there's >> no point in making a sixty-km-wide polygon to indicate that between >>

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II : > On 1/17/2012 8:10 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > I'm not suggesting either of these. But a single chunk of houses is clearly > all residential, whether it's the size of a few lots or a huge subdivision. +1. public streets are not part of it. Have a look how others deal

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > I find it useless to map such wide areas as landuses. There's no point > in tagging a whole village's area as landuse=residential, and there's > no point in making a sixty-km-wide polygon to indicate that between > Parma and Reggio Emilia th

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/17/2012 8:10 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: I find it useless to map such wide areas as landuses. There's no point in tagging a whole village's area as landuse=residential, and there's no point in making a sixty-km-wide polygon to indicate that between Parma and Reggio Emilia there's cultivated l

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/1/17 Nathan Edgars II : > On 1/17/2012 6:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> 2012/1/17 Maarten Deen: >>> >>> On 2012-01-16 23:27, Robin Paulson wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407&lon=174.741523&zoom=19 the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Mapping guidelines

2012-01-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/17/2012 6:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/1/17 Maarten Deen: On 2012-01-16 23:27, Robin Paulson wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-36.878407&lon=174.741523&zoom=19 the landuse polygon has an orange highlight on it, why does it do that? Just a hint on mapping (not to Ro