Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

I am dubious about tagging the artists that the gallery represents, since this is likely to change on a fairly frequent basis. My impression is that most exhibitions are only for a period of a week or two, meaning that the tag information would frequently be out of date. On 02/03/2016 02:52

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 1 February 2016 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum I'm still a bit confused by this. Would you consider the MoMA a gallery and/or a museum? -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 1 February 2016 at 22:50, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon Feb 1 21:44:50 2016 GMT, ael wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: >> > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum >> >> +1 >> ael >> > +2 > The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 3 February 2016 at 21:52, Max wrote: > So we are now at: > tourism=museum (nicer would be amenity, but for the sake of not changing > too much) > museum:topic= art / railway / history / war / mathematics / ... > art_form = painting / photography / sculpture / video /

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On 9 February 2016 at 00:02, Max wrote: > The Moma is a Museum. Please keep in mind that this is your personal definition - and perhaps the definition of the people in your field. But that's not necessarily the definition of the average English speaker. For example,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Moma is a Museum. By the current definition of the OSM wiki it should be tagged tourism=gallery Because this is confusing I support the move to remove tourism=gallery entirely and make it museum. For actual (contemporary) art galleries we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

Continued here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-February/028479.html -- Matthijs On 1 February 2016 at 20:28, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Hi all, > > I have created a proposal to discourage the tag tourism=gallery, > suggesting either shop=art or

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2016-02-03 6:57 GMT+01:00 althio : > In more details: > > For museums, including art museums (collection of works): > tourism = museum > + museum = art / railway / history / ... > + art = painting / photography / ... > [no tourism = gallery] > I'd prefer amenity=museum,

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2016-02-02 23:17 GMT+01:00 Max : > > both, the two examples above, as the first two examples on the link, > > clearly show that the word gallery has multiple meanings: > > > > * Many galleries display the art prints without prices - hoping to get > > more easily

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On 2016년 02월 03일 10:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I'd prefer amenity=museum, but I see that putting it under the tourism > key is quite established so it would have to be discussed if a change > would make sense (if it hurts less to do this change one and forever or > if it is better to bear

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On 2016년 02월 02일 04:16, Warin wrote: > No. OSM amenity - important facilities. LOL. you mean important facilities like bar, bbq, biergarten, ice_cream, brothel, casino, cinema, gambling, nightclub, stripclub, swingerclub, dojo, game_feeding, > Tourism is the correct key in this instance, a place

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On 2016년 02월 02일 04:16, Warin wrote: >> However, the English word "Gallery" doesn't seem to have this specific >> meaning. Merriam-Webster includes "sculptures, etc" >> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gallery > > Picking nits; > Merriam-Webster is American English. > OSM policy is to

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sent from a phone > Am 02.02.2016 um 19:36 schrieb Max : > https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/gallery > > Gallery: A room or building for the display or sale of works of art: an > art gallery the National Gallery both, the two examples above, as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 2/02/2016 8:06 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 02.02.2016 um 05:31 schrieb Greg Troxel : Another type of exhibit venue is a room in a local library that typically doesn't charge the artist or get involved in sales (the artist puts up contact

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On 2016년 02월 02일 20:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > both, the two examples above, as the first two examples on the link, > clearly show that the word gallery has multiple meanings: > > * Many galleries display the art prints without prices - hoping to get > more easily into an e-mail

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

How about... - tourism = museum - shop = artwork - shop = * In more details: For museums, including art museums (collection of works): tourism = museum + museum = art / railway / history / ... + art = painting / photography / ... [no tourism = gallery] For galleries (showing art works, with

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sent from a phone Am 02.02.2016 um 04:16 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >>> 2 problems with tourism=gallery: it is not clear, which kind of gallery >>> is intended, > > Many many key/values are not precise in what is intended. That is why 'sub > keys' are used. > 'Sub keys' like

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On 01/02/2016 22:15, Dave F wrote: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/museum#Noun See also this definition and note in the OED under 'museum': '2. a. A building or institution in which objects of historical, scientific, artistic, or cultural interest are preserved and exhibited. Also: the

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sent from a phone > Am 02.02.2016 um 05:31 schrieb Greg Troxel : > > Finally, there's a fourth entity, sort of, venues that are something > else but also exhibit art. This happens both commerically an > non-commercially. > > There is a restaurant near me that has a different

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sent from a phone > Am 02.02.2016 um 05:31 schrieb Greg Troxel : > > Another type of exhibit venue is a room in a local library that > typically doesn't charge the artist or get involved in sales (the artist > puts up contact information); it's just free exhibit space for the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

Neither are really a direct alternative Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum Just because there are fewer 'gallery' than museum doesn't make it incorrect. Just because galleries may be incorrectly tagged a 'museum' doesn't make them incorrect. A shop selling art could be a sub tag of

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On 1 February 2016 at 22:17, Max wrote: > Those are clearly museums, not galleries and they are correctly tagged > as museums. Sorry to say this, but that sentence clearly shows OP has > not understand what a gellery is. The wiki pages for tourism=gallery, > and

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Browsing in the wiki I can see where all the confusion comes from. Basically the wiki is saying that anything showing art is a gallery, while the word museum is reserved for science and history. Obviously that's not the case and should be fixed. On 2016년 02월 01일 23:40, Matthijs Melissen wrote:

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On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum +1 ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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No, that's not the difference. A museum is an institution which shows art works so that the public can see them. The art works are usually by established artists. Shows are curated thematically by curators. A gallery is showing art to the public. There is the possibility of purchase, but it is

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I always thought that an Art Gallery is a specific type of museum, i.e. an Art Museum. It can also mean a shop that exhibits and sells art. Hence tourism=gallery seems a good way indicate an Art Museum or Art Gallery, in line with tourism=museum. A shop that exhibits art with the main aim of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On Mon Feb 1 21:44:50 2016 GMT, ael wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: > > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum > > +1 > ael > +2 The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not dictate to them. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Jolla

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On 1 February 2016 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum Note that the wiki currently states: 'Note that art galleries very often have the word "museum" in the name. Despite this, if they are primarily displaying art, they should probably

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> > > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum > > > > +1 > > ael > > > +2 > The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not dictate to them. > > Phil (trigpoint) Wiki is not clear at all. "An art gallery (or art museum) is […]" I don't understand why you seem to support the wiki in this current

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On 2016년 02월 02일 00:03, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 1 February 2016 at 22:17, Max wrote: >> Those are clearly museums, not galleries and they are correctly tagged >> as museums. Sorry to say this, but that sentence clearly shows OP has >> not understand what a gellery

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I second this. Gallery, Museum and a shop that sells art are completely different things. "I had a look at some famous galleries: the MoMA in New York, the Uffizi in Florence, the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC, the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, the Musée d'Orsay in Paris, and the

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On 2016년 02월 02일 00:38, Max wrote: > Browsing in the wiki I can see where all the confusion comes from. > Basically the wiki is saying that anything showing art is a gallery, > while the word museum is reserved for science and history. Ironically the image in the wiki for tourism=museum shows

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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/museum#Noun On 01/02/2016 21:49, Volker Schmidt wrote: I always thought that an Art Gallery is a specific type of museum, i.e. an Art Museum. It can also mean a shop that exhibits and sells art. Hence tourism=gallery seems a good way indicate an Art Museum or

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Thanks Max - that sounds clear and objective to me, and from an informed source. Why don't we just copy this text to the wiki so (with a bit of luck) newly tagged museums/galleries/shops will follow this pattern. Then we can discuss the relative merits of a wholesale retagging of the "legacy"

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I've edited it a bit: An art museum is an institution which shows artworks so that the public can see them. The artworks are usually by established artists. Shows are developed with a concept by curators. Artworks are from the museums collection or on loan from other museums, galleries or private

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2016-02-02 0:57 GMT+01:00 Max : > Ironically the image in the wiki for tourism=museum shows the national > GALLERY. (which should be tagged museum, but the national gallery is > showing art which the wiki is not mentioning, only "exhibitions on > scientific, historical,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

On 2016년 02월 02일 01:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I think there is a need for sub tags in tourism=museum so that we can > distinguish between a science, history, tech, or art museum. > > actually if you call a gallery like the national gallery or the > Gemäldegalerie in Berlin an

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On 2/02/2016 1:56 PM, Max wrote: On 2016년 02월 02일 01:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I think there is a need for sub tags in tourism=museum so that we can distinguish between a science, history, tech, or art museum. actually if you call a gallery like the national gallery or the

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Max writes: > An art museum is an institution which shows artworks so that the public > can see them. The artworks are usually by established artists. Shows are > developed with a concept by curators. Artworks are from the museums > collection or on loan from other