Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/21 Richard Welty : > i would note that jersey barrier refers to a specific type, which > has two different slopes, designed to manage the direction > in which vehicles hitting it go. that's the one I was aiming at. > some of the plastic barrier > systems do look like jersey barrier inc

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/21/10 8:06 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/21 Richard Welty: i'd say jersey_barrier is fine for the concrete, it's a more commonly known term than k-rail and nobody will be confused by it. but i'd use impact attenuator for the plastic sand/water filled barriers. do we really need 2

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/21 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > This should be achieved by mapping them where they are (on a way). If > interrupted e.g. to let pedestrians pass, interrupt the line (way). to give an actual example: http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=de&ie=UTF8&ll=41.882023,12.500918&spn=0.003371,0.010568&t=h&z=17&l

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/21 Richard Welty : > i'd say jersey_barrier is fine for the concrete, it's a more commonly known > term than k-rail and nobody will be confused by it. > but i'd use impact attenuator for the plastic sand/water filled barriers. do we really need 2 different main tags for the same object in

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Dave F.
On 21/09/2010 01:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/21 John Smith: On 21 September 2010 09:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes, which tag would you suggest? They are similar to guard rails IMHO Guard rails usually run parallel with the road, these barriers can be used to block the road to

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 21:25, Richard Welty wrote: > i'd say jersey_barrier is fine for the concrete, it's a more commonly known > term than k-rail and nobody will be confused by it. > > but i'd use impact attenuator for the plastic sand/water filled barriers. They may be similar, but one is a barr

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/21/10 7:08 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/21 Richard Welty: On 9/21/10 2:19 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: maybe you can spot a more technic term? I'm sure they have a proper name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier#Plastic_Jersey_barriers Wikipedia is a little disjointed on t

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/21 Richard Welty : >  On 9/21/10 2:19 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: >>> maybe you can spot a more technic term? I'm sure they have a proper name >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier#Plastic_Jersey_barriers > > Wikipedia is a little disjointed on this. > > Attenuator is generically used f

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/21/10 2:19 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: On 21 September 2010 10:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: maybe you can spot a more technic term? I'm sure they have a proper name ;-) Wikipedia seems to think they're just a subset of a Jersey Barrier - mind you, even jersey barrier is a new term for me.

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/21 Stephen Hope : > On 21 September 2010 10:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> maybe you can spot a more technic term? I'm sure they have a proper name ;-) > > Wikipedia seems to think they're just a subset of a Jersey Barrier - > mind you, even jersey barrier is a new term for me. I have

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 18:40, Simone Saviolo wrote: > Should we also tag whether it can be remotely activated? Remote owners > won't need this information (as they already have the remote), but the > presence of a button or another device would be useful for those who > don't have the remote. To be

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/21 John Smith : > On 21 September 2010 18:28, Simone Saviolo wrote: >> Manual? Is this to differentiate between a) on-demand rectratable > > Manual as in they usually have a padlock or a built in key slot to > manually retract or remove them, as opposed to some kind of motor > operated mech

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 18:28, Simone Saviolo wrote: > Manual? Is this to differentiate between a) on-demand rectratable Manual as in they usually have a padlock or a built in key slot to manually retract or remove them, as opposed to some kind of motor operated mechanism... ___

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/21 John Smith : > On 21 September 2010 17:32, Simone Saviolo wrote: >> I've never found an appropriate tag for those bollards that can > > barrier=bollard > bollard=retractable|removeable|collapsible|flexible > manual=yes/no Manual? Is this to differentiate between a) on-demand rectratable

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 17:32, Simone Saviolo wrote: > I've never found an appropriate tag for those bollards that can barrier=bollard bollard=retractable|removeable|collapsible|flexible manual=yes/no ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org htt

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 17:32, Simone Saviolo wrote: > I've never found an appropriate tag for those bollards that can > retract down into the road. They're usually controlled by a remote, > and they're often used to prevent non-authorized traffic from entering > a road (for example, to reserve it fo

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-21 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/9/20 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the > proposal. I've never found an appropriate tag for those bollards that can retract down into the road. They're usually controlled by a remote, and they're often used to prevent non-authorized tra

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 21 September 2010 10:08, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > maybe you can spot a more technic term? I'm sure they have a proper name ;-) Wikipedia seems to think they're just a subset of a Jersey Barrier - mind you, even jersey barrier is a new term for me. I have no idea what the UK equivalent is.

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 10:02, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> http://www.entryparkingposts.com/ >> These don't allow travel unless retracted. > > > yes, this is nice, I have never seen them, which value do you suggest? barrier=spikes or spike_strip ___ Tag

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/21 John Smith : > On 21 September 2010 09:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> Yes, which tag would you suggest? They are similar to guard rails IMHO > > Guard rails usually run parallel with the road, these barriers can be > used to block the road to force traffic to be diverted etc... y

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/20 Dave F. : >  On 20/09/2010 19:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Spike/Teeth Barriers > > http://www.entryparkingposts.com/ > These don't allow travel unless retracted. yes, this is nice, I have never seen them, which value do you suggest? > There's also the less destructive ones that

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 09:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Yes, which tag would you suggest? They are similar to guard rails IMHO Guard rails usually run parallel with the road, these barriers can be used to block the road to force traffic to be diverted etc... as for name, barrier=water_filled_pl

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/20 John Smith : > What about water filled plastic barriers? > > http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html > > They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of time. Yes, which tag would you sug

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/20 Tobias Knerr : > M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > * Couldn't we just use barrier=rope/chain on ways, too? Introducing > barrier=post_and_rope/post_and_chain for this seems unnecessary. yes, I agree, actually someone else put this value there > * Isn't a guardrail a linear feature? It shou

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/20/10 6:28 PM, John Smith wrote: On 21 September 2010 08:03, Richard Welty wrote: On 9/20/10 5:35 PM, John Smith wrote: What about water filled plastic barriers? http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html The

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 08:03, Richard Welty wrote: > On 9/20/10 5:35 PM, John Smith wrote: >> >> What about water filled plastic barriers? >> >> >> http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html >> >> They may not be permanent,

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 07:35:11 +1000 John Smith wrote: > What about water filled plastic barriers? > > http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html > > They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of >

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/20/10 5:35 PM, John Smith wrote: What about water filled plastic barriers? http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of time. these are a varian

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Craig Wallace
On 20/09/2010 19:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Hi, I'm asking for comments to the "new" barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Shouldn't barrier=curb use the UK spelling, ie kerb? Also, I don't see the need for barrier=swing_gate. It

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Dave F.
On 20/09/2010 19:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Hi, I'm asking for comments to the "new" barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the proposal. Spike/Teeth Barriers http:

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread John Smith
What about water filled plastic barriers? http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/resourcesint/product-detailzqMJlfFDaQGv/China-Water-Filled-Plastic-Barrier.html They may not be permanent, but some stay in place for long periods of time. ___ Tagging mail

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 20.09.2010 21:50, Tobias Knerr wrote: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm asking for comments to the "new" barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Nice collection of missing barrier types. I've even used some of them already, so it's a go

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I'm asking for comments to the "new" barrier types listed here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Nice collection of missing barrier types. I've even used some of them already, so it's a good thing to document these additions. I

Re: [Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 20.09.2010 20:27, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Hi, I'm asking for comments to the "new" barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the proposal. I somehow forgot about it, bu

[Tagging] RFC: more barrier types

2010-09-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Hi, I'm asking for comments to the "new" barrier types listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types If you miss something, please report here so that we can extend the proposal. I somehow forgot about it, but want to close the process now in some weeks time