Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/27/10 1:08 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: because not everyone to whom you give money to get something can be considered a retailer. Wikipedia states:"In commerce, a "retailer" buys goods or products in large quantities from manufacturers or importers, either directly or through a wholesale

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Nathan Edgars II : > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2010/9/27 David Paleino : >>> I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. >> >> -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. > Why not? They're places where you buy thi

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 05:19:58PM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla : > > this would give a space for regional variants such as > > food+drink=biergarten|gelateria|whatever_else, preventing the creation > > of additional amenities whose usage makes little sense out of

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:19:58 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla > : > > of course, we still have the problem with the tag name, since > > "food+drink" doesn't look quite right > > if is probably not "good English", but I think it's quite appealing: > it is easily unde

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 Elena of Valhalla : > There was indeed some discussion on the italian mailing list, where > they felt the need to distinguish between italian style "gelateria" > and other kinds of ice cream sellers and not only... > this would give a space for regional variants such as > food+drink=b

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Mike N.
Why changing an old and widely used "amenity=restaurant"+"cuisine" ? +1 Although I agree that the current amenity=restaurant, fast_food...etc. is a bit awkward, it is nearly unthinkable that it should be changed because of the number of people who are already using and rendering the data.

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 9/27/10, Pieren wrote: > Why changing an old and widely used "amenity=restaurant"+"cuisine" ? [...] > This can be accepted only if it's to clear ambiguities or add > a real value but that's not the case here. mostly because the current system does not scale, with food+drinks places being an ar

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:23 PM, David Paleino wrote: Why changing an old and widely used "amenity=restaurant"+"cuisine" ? As it was mentionned many times in the past, discussing new keys is easy when it's about new features (e.g. craft). But changing old and well established tags is generating

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 9/27/10, David Paleino wrote: > On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:14:19 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: [...] >> Almost every one of those approves is by someone living in Italy, >> which suggests discussion on the Italian mailing list or other >> discussion among a small group in an echo chamber. There w

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:15:50 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > > In German I would use "Gastronomie" as main tag for those, but I'm not > > sure if "gastronomy" would be the exact translation in English for > > this. My dictionary suggests "cat

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:05 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/27 David Paleino : >> I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. > > -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. Why not? They're places where you buy things. > In German I would use "Gastrono

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/27 David Paleino : > I'd say +1 to retail=food and food=cafe|restaurant|... though. -1, I wouldn't tag restaurants, cafes and others as retail. I am not opposing food=cafe / restaurant, etc., this would also be compatible with the current amenity-tag, but I don't see a big benefit (we alre

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"?

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 05:11:08 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:49 AM, David Paleino > wrote: > > On a related note: me and some other people on #osm-it were thinking about > > re-organizing the "food" tagging (take "food" as an example in the > > following). Something lik

Re: [Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:49 AM, David Paleino wrote: > How would you call then shop=ice_cream, sneaked in the wiki without any > discussion or voting or anything else? Another bad tag. > On a related note: me and some other people on #osm-it were thinking about > re-organizing the "food" taggin

[Tagging] Re-organizing food "things"? (was: Re: amenity=ice_cream: approved?)

2010-09-27 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 04:14:19 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:48 AM, David Paleino > wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:26:27 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features%2FIce_cream&action=historysubmit&diff=53