Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 30/05/18 01:14, Tod Fitch wrote: It might be generally useful to have a tag that can be used for more than just water features. Can we please keep that concept separate from hydrological permanence? I want a more nuanced way of tagging water features. If we try and build one key to do ev

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 29/05/18 21:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 29. May 2018, at 12:50, Andrew Davidson wrote: assuming that people would think that natural=wetland + stream=ephemeral would look odd--otherwise no need for a new key). on which kind of object would you tag this? Usuall

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

29. May 2018 17:14 by t...@fitchdesign.com : >> A generic tag indicating when the feature is likely to be present could be >> used for both water features and other non-water features. >> > > I used seasonal in some cases like this (with opening hours having

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

> On May 29, 2018, at 4:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 29. May 2018, at 12:50, Andrew Davidson wrote: >> >> assuming that people would think that natural=wetland + stream=ephemeral >> would look odd--otherwise no need for a new key). > > > on which

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

sent from a phone > On 29. May 2018, at 12:50, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > assuming that people would think that natural=wetland + stream=ephemeral > would look odd--otherwise no need for a new key). on which kind of object would you tag this? Usually a stream is mapped on a linear way, a w

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

29. May 2018 12:50 by thesw...@gmail.com : > assuming that people would think that natural=wetland + stream=ephemeral > would look odd--otherwise no need for a new key). It looks like a tagging mistake, I would advice using rather a new tag name for people intere

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 26/05/18 23:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > Those definitions match up with my understanding. So something like waterway=* (or natural=spring | water ) presence=perennial | seasonal | intermittent | ephemeral If the presence is seasonal, then the existing seasonal=* could be used to describe what ti

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 28 May 2018 at 17:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > You may dislike this tagging scheme but seasonal=yes + intermittent=yes > > is not unclear. > > > It means that > > - presence is not pernament > > - presence is seasonal You are right. Stupid me ... ___

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

28. May 2018 13:56 by selfishseaho...@gmail.com : > On 26 May 2018 at 15:27, Tod Fitch <> t...@fitchdesign.com > > > wrote: >> ... So something like >> >> waterway=* (or natural=spring | water ) >> presence=perennial | seasonal | in

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 26 May 2018 at 15:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > ... So something like > > waterway=* (or natural=spring | water ) > presence=perennial | seasonal | intermittent | ephemeral > > If the presence is seasonal, then the existing seasonal=* could be used to > describe what times of year the item is normally

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

With the present OSM interpretation of 'intermittent' being any thing other than perennial, I think there needs to be a new tag to take the place (of what I think is 'intermittent') between seasonal and ephemeral. Present tagging looks to be Perennial: Always has water - OSM default - no sub t

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

> On May 26, 2018, at 12:02 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My take for water bodies: > > Perennial: I expect to find water here at any time. Exceptions: drought > > Seasonal: I expect to find water here on a yearly cycle, usually for months. > Exceptions: drought > > Intermitte

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/05/18 17:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > So ... why have seasonal? > > Because it may be useful for data consumers (and sometimes routers) to know, for example, if water is present only during winter. It helps in pl

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

26. May 2018 10:17 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > > On 26/05/18 17:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > >> >> >> >> 26. May 2018 09:02 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com >> >> : >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So ... why have seasonal? for seasonal features? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ta

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 26/05/18 17:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 26. May 2018 09:02 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : On 21/05/18 07:57, Warin wrote: On 20/05/18 18:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 19. May 2018 04:33 by 61sundow...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

26. May 2018 09:02 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > > On 21/05/18 07:57, Warin wrote: > > >> >> On 20/05/18 18:33, Mateusz Koniecznywrote: >> >> >>> 19. May 2018 04:33 by >>> 61sundow...@gmail.com >>>

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 21/05/18 07:57, Warin wrote: On 20/05/18 18:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 19. May 2018 04:33 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : The intermittent tag continues to be confused with seasonal. Possibly this is because some want to use it to indicate that a foll

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

I remember to have map north of Mali rivers in semi-desertic areas that have no water for years. We should not confuse intermittent and seasonal. Simply clarify intermittent on the wiki page.   Pierre Warin Sat May 19 02:33:18 UTC 2018 Hi, I seek comments and thoughts on - Season

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 20/05/18 18:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 19. May 2018 04:33 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : The intermittent tag continues to be confused with seasonal. Possibly this is because some want to use it to indicate that a follow is both seasonal and intermitt

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

19. May 2018 04:33 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > The intermittent tag continues to be confused with seasonal. > > Possibly this is because some want to use it to indicate that a follow is > both seasonal and intermittent? > At least in my case it was like this:

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

20. May 2018 00:29 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > Intermittent clarification: > > Clarify the meaning of intermittent on the OSM wiki! At the moment it says > "used to indicate that a body of water does not permanently contain water." > That is too easily confused

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

A remote mapper cannot determine if something will have water in it if the imagery shows no water. Nor could they determine if a water way (that has water in it in the imagery) is seasonal or intermittent. If a mapper cannot see it or has no knowledge of it .. don't map it! I have seen remote

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

For remote mappers seasonal can be ambiguous, the only thing that is known is that a channel or lake didn't have water when the image was taken. In the tropics the notion of summer doesn't make sense, it's a foreign concept. intermittent=yes is a fine tag On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Warin <61

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 19/05/18 13:25, Tod Fitch wrote: On May 18, 2018, at 7:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I seek comments and thoughts on - Seasonal: The seasonal tag in well established. I don't think there is much confusion with it. --- Intermittent: The inter

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

many cases this might be a better classification than putting down a (seldom existing) lake area with intermittent=yes. From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2018 16:38 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

Following with interest, thanks. How do you then tag areas that only flood / run / hold water after (very) heavy rain? Are they intermittent? Thanks Graeme On 19 May 2018 at 15:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 19/05/18 13:06, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > > -Orig

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

On 19/05/18 13:06, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: -Original Message- From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2018 12:33 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Think I have raised this before but not come to any firm conclusion myself. I think that t

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I seek comments and thoughts on > > - > > Seasonal: > > The seasonal tag in well established. I don't think there is much confusion > with it. > > > --- > > Intermittent: > > The inter

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

> -Original Message- > From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, 19 May 2018 12:33 > To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > > Think I have raised this before but not come to any firm conclusion > myself. > > I think that tagging > > seasonal=summer > > intermittent

[Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

Hi, I seek comments and thoughts on - Seasonal: The seasonal tag in well established. I don't think there is much confusion with it. --- Intermittent: The intermittent tag continues to be confused with seasonal. Possibly this is because some want to use it to ind