Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-11-06 Thread Dominic Hosler
I like that idea Martin, I've added a link to the playground tag for tagging individual pieces of equipment (if anyone feels the need to). Should I just start the voting by putting today's date, or do you think it should be left for more comments first? Thanks, Dom On 5 November 2013 14:57,

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-11-05 Thread Erik Johansson
It has occured to me that this seems to be more of something simliar to tourism=theme_park, yet smaller. I don't know if there is such a tag that is widespread or if it's better to use your own tag. I think it's not such a good idea to use leisure=playground + fee=yes, since it most certainly is

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-11-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/11/5 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com I think it's not such a good idea to use leisure=playground + fee=yes, since it most certainly is not a playground, but sure playgrounds really do span a very big range from a sandbox to extremely large contraptions . +1, I think his current

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-11-04 Thread Dominic Hosler
Hi everyone, It has been almost two weeks and the discussion seems to have died down. How long should it be left, before initiating a vote, and how long should a vote last on the proposal? This is the relevant wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play Thanks, Dom

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-11-04 Thread nounours
Hi Dom, I don't know about voting ... But I read your interesting proposal. I completely agree that indoor-playgrounds should be mapped. In Switzerland, it seems that they are normally mapped as leisure=playground and indoor=yes, see example:

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-24 Thread Dominic Hosler
I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to just delete that one and create a new proposal called Indoor play? Putting a note in the discussion that it has been migrated from the previous soft play proposal? Thanks, Dom On

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-24 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Use the arrow down button on the upper right (next to the Search box) and choose 'Move'. -- Matthijs On 24 October 2013 12:59, Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com wrote: I have updated the page to indoor play, but I don't know how to actually change the title of the page? Do I need to

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-24 Thread Dominic Hosler
Thanks, I feel a bit silly now, I didn't look hard enough. New page is at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Indoor_play for anyone wanting another look. Thanks, Dom On 24 October 2013 12:04, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Use the arrow down button on the

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-24 Thread Jonathan
That's definitely better but I would make the description more generic, such as An indoor area for children to play and then make the padded aspects, cafe etc sub tags that can be added. The indoor_play tag should be able to be used by those in other countries who have similar facilities but

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Thank you, Dominic. --- Dominic Hosler dominichosler at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 15:43:34

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
First of all, I can confirm such centres exist in the Netherlands and Luxembourg as well. So far I have tagged them as lesiure=playground, building=yes. I never heard of the name 'soft play centre', though, and I was not able to guess from the title what the proposal was about. Is there no name

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 12:55, Matthijs Melissen wrote: I think the proposal would benefit from a more precise definition. Or you could just tag the ones you find using this perfectly sensible tag and not worry about it. In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 22/10/2013 16:43, Dominic Hosler wrote: I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. Looks absolutely fine. There are times when I'd use it on a node when the soft play is just one part of a larger building, but that's pretty much standard OSM practice anyway. Don't worry

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft Play is a well-recognised and well-defined concept. If that concept doesn't exist elsewhere, fine, but don't stop this mapper from recording information because you don't like what colour the bikeshed is.

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
My understanding of a soft play area would not work outdoors, at least not in Northern Europe where it rains. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 23/10/2013 13:22 Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2013 14:01, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK a Soft

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
Hi, I agree with Matthijs that we should avoid a UK centric mode of thought, which is why I stated I didn't know if this type of thing exists elsewhere. Apparently it does exist elsewhere, but not in exactly the same way. I have just remembered a soft play centre, that includes all parts of a

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Ronnie Soak
There are centers like this in Germany, mostly just called indoor playground. (I haven't seen one so far, but I heard awful stories from parents all around.) The term soft play wasn't known to me and I didn't think of child's entertainment when I read it (actually, I thought the opposite). There

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
Hi Chaos, I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and would be called and tagged differently. For example, with a leisure=playground and

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Ronnie Soak
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com I think in my opinion the distinction between a playground and a soft play centre is that a playground generally has a hard ground (or sometimes rubbery), whereas a soft play centre (in the play area) has a padded ground. In a soft play

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com I have just realised the link is broken. I am sending the correct link here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play I look forward to hearing your views on this proposal. Maybe a picture would help. Are these

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Would they qualify as soft play? No, that's a bouncy castle. Soft play is padding, not inflatables. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/23 Dominic Hosler dominichos...@gmail.com Hi Chaos, I have just added clarification as to the distinction between soft play and playgrounds. I agree that if there was an old fashioned merry-go-round inside a building then it wouldn't be soft play, and would be called and tagged

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
Due to child protection, you are generally not allowed to take pictures inside the soft-play centres. Also, any official pictures are copyrighted. In the proposal, I linked to a few websites of some soft play centres, where they have pictures, I hoped this would be fine. Soft play is as Jonathan

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Murry McEntire
A number of shopping malls in the U.S. have indoor playgrounds that consist of soft sculptures (vinyl or soft plastic over padded/flexible frames) amid padded flooring. They are free, not attended but cleaned regularly. A link to an article about such a playground:

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Murry McEntire
Soft Play and Softplay are registered trademarks in the United States with United States and International coverage. Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com Murry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread John F. Eldredge
Murry McEntire murry.mcent...@gmail.com wrote: Soft Play and Softplay are registered trademarks in the United States with United States and International coverage. Trademarks held by this firm: http://www.softplay.com Murry

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
Gives you a good idea what they are: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=softplayclient=firefox-ahs=U7Prls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=CSBoUpT_B4S57AbYy4Aoved=0CAkQ_AUoAQbiw=1366bih=589 Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 23/10/2013 14:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
These pictures also seem to include small play grounds in people's homes, and perhaps in shopping centres as well. I suppose small playgrounds in shopping centres (either supervised, like in Ikea, or unsupervised, like in McDonalds) are not intended to be included in this tag? I noticed by the

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan
I agree, we need to choose a term that is more generic, maybe leisure=childrens_adventure or kids_play or kids_amusement. There can always be a sub tag defining soft_play? Especially considering that a lot of softplay areas are now included among other internal children's play features?

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Dominic Hosler
I agree we should move away from the trademarked title 'soft_play'. Perhaps if we keep the proposal and change the name of the tag to indoor_play, to include other types as well, as per brad's suggestion. We should also include sub tag qualifiers to specify if it's soft play and for what ages

[Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-22 Thread Dominic Hosler
Hi, I have just proposed a tag to use for soft play centres. This tag is leisure=soft_play and I detailed it in this proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Soft_play. There is not currently a tag that covers the usage requirements that this one does. I have already used