Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 21.09.2014 11:04, Dan S wrote: It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage please don't use shop=massage for this kind of places. I really don't want them to show up on a map next to Wat Pho

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Dan S
2014-09-22 7:29 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de: On 21.09.2014 11:04, Dan S wrote: It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage please don't use shop=massage for this kind of places.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-22 Thread Lukas Sommer
No tags on the shared nodes - just shared nodes. What is IMHO a quite bad idea for two reasons: – It’s unlikely that there will be software supporting features when there is no tag. – You would introduce a concurrent solution to a node highway=traffic_signals. I do not think that it’s a good

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tomasz Kaźmierczak wrote: I would like to suggest making the paved key for highways (and probably other types of elements) official. First of all, this is OSM: there are no official or unofficial tags. Use what you like as long as it accords with core OSM tagging principles such as

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-22 0:36 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Along with this, I really hope renderers start computing surface=* and toll=* values for ALL ways. I say this since surface=asphalt, highway=cyclway is an exceptionally rare combination in the midwestern US, but highway=cycleway,

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-22 0:42 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: For bicycle routing the paved information is not very useful. I strongly dispute this. In the US, where practical bicycles are the exception, not the rule,

Re: [Tagging] University accommodation (was Re: Future proposal - RFC - amenity=dormitory)

2014-09-22 Thread phil
Dormitories are rooms with multiple beds, usually bunk beds and associated with youth hostels, certainly not suitable for student accommodation where there is typically one student in a room, maybe two but they are certainly not dormitories. Phil (trigpoint ) On Sat Sep 20 2014 23:12:24

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-22 Thread phil
Toll? I assume that means the same in US English as in UK English? You really have to pay to use cycleways? How is the toll collected and enforced? Phil (trigpoint ) On Sun Sep 21 2014 23:36:04 GMT+0100 (BST), Paul Johnson wrote: Along with this, I really hope renderers start computing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-09-22 Thread johnw
Wow, you really went over it very carefully, thanks for all the input. I will go over your list of issues again, but can you fix it to as how you would see this tag used? I'm very interested to see how you would properly tag it, as you know the parsing methods much better than I do ('cause I

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-22 Thread Dave Swarthout
Richard's arguments seem spot on. I hadn't thought it through that way, and his viewpoint is coming from two regimes. Richard wrote: Please, please, please don't fall into the trap of trying to optimise for data consumers when you're not a data consumer. OSM has far too much of this and it's

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Mishari Muqbil
Hi Dan, I realise that it's my fault for not being very clear from the beginning. I think as John mentions, amenity=soapland is about right. I do suspect that the establishments in Thailand are based on the same concept as those which exist in Japan. Should I create an entry in the wiki for

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Guttorm Flatabø
2014-09-22 13:47 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: I realise that it's my fault for not being very clear from the beginning. I think as John mentions, amenity=soapland is about right. I do suspect that the establishments in Thailand are based on the same concept as those which

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread johnw
Yea, it's a brothel - but it is avery particular style of brothel in Asia to get around the laws , and AFAIK has very different customs than what I imagine a more european or australian brothel is. because of the type of service that is expected, I don't believe it meshes well with what someone

[Tagging] Understanding links

2014-09-22 Thread johnw
I have a question on highway link roads. I came across some trunk_links that seemed really out of place today, but they were recently added by a tagger that usually knows what they are doing. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.30046/139.19574 The frontage road for local access to the

Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour

2014-09-22 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 22 September 2014 13:57, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Yea, it's a brothel - but it is avery particular style of brothel in Asia to get around the laws , and AFAIK has very different customs than what I imagine a more european or australian brothel is. because of the type of service that is

Re: [Tagging] Simple Indoor Tagging

2014-09-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-09-22 1:43 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: wouldn't there typically be direct entrances and no corridors? I think if you are at this level of detail we could expect that you add the poi as a polygon, rather than adding nonexistent corridors ;-) I guess you're

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-22 Thread John F. Eldredge
I am American, and the concept of a toll cycleway is not one I have encountered either. On September 22, 2014 3:55:03 AM p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Toll? I assume that means the same in US English as in UK English? You really have to pay to use cycleways? How is the toll collected and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - residential=gated

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-21 17:53 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: Motivated by the discussion around residential=* sub-tagging, I thought it would be useful to get a bit more clarity, by taking some existing sub-tagging and putting it through RFC. Here is a proposal for residential=gated: IMHO a

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Student accommodation building

2014-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-09-21 19:57 GMT+02:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com: (Note: this is about tagging a building type; it's separate from Hno's amenity=student_accommodation proposal which aims to tag the usage.) I think the proposal is OK (even if it lists 5 different tagging options which is maybe not

Re: [Tagging] Understanding links

2014-09-22 Thread fly
Am 22.09.2014 15:06, schrieb johnw: I have a question on highway link roads. I came across some trunk_links that seemed really out of place today, but they were recently added by a tagger that usually knows what they are doing. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.30046/139.19574

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-22 Thread David Bannon
Ah, Richard, its very hard to argue with someone who uses XKCD to illustrate their point, unfair ! But, no official tags ? truish. But when I am speaking to someone, I am free to make up new words and grammar, but should not expect to be understood. Better to agree in advance. And yes, bike