[Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
It seems that are serious problems with this tag, is there somebody interested in this topic who want to make a better proposal? (1) This tag can not be used on the same object as historic=archaeological_site - despite the fact that many archaeological sites are excavated tombs. (2) There is no

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread sabas88
2014-10-16 8:33 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: It seems that are serious problems with this tag, is there somebody interested in this topic who want to make a better proposal? (1) This tag can not be used on the same object as historic=archaeological_site - despite the

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-16 8:33 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: It seems that are serious problems with this tag, is there somebody interested in this topic who want to make a better proposal? I am interested in this tag (1) This tag can not be used on the same object as

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
and? You can add subtags to describe why a certain tomb is notable - so what is the point of defining it as where are buried important or well-known persons of their era? 2014-10-16 10:16 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-16 8:33 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-16 13:00 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: and? You can add subtags to describe why a certain tomb is notable - so what is the point of defining it as where are buried important or well-known persons of their era? oh, thank you for pulling the attention to this. The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-10 19:13 GMT+02:00 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: I use amenity=drinking_water + drinkable=no I agree with your own judgement that this is nonesense ;-) IMHO we shouldn't tag like this. This is not really comparable to entrance=exit (as any exit physically might be used as an entrance

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I think that it is a good idea, though it will make German translation out of synch. 2014-10-16 14:28 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-10-16 13:00 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: and? You can add subtags to describe why a certain tomb is notable -

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
In addition to tomb=* and cemetery=grave, there's also this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Grave The proposal states it is mainly for [graves] without historic value And, it doesn't recommend using relation=person ;) On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:00 AM, sabas88

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-16 16:05 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: I think that it is a good idea, though it will make German translation out of synch. I think the German version (like any other localized version) should be a translation of the general version (English). The reason why it is

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-16 16:14 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: In addition to tomb=* and cemetery=grave, there's also this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Grave The proposal states it is mainly for [graves] without historic value Thank you for pointing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation, type=person

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-15 12:57 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: hird mistake : It is not strictly reserved for notable people and can be used to name all graves in a cemetery (which might be forbiden in some countries). Privacy is never mentionned. To solve this, you could enforce a link to wikipedia

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-14 14:39 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I think we should have notability, like Wikipedia. I have been using buried:wikidata=*, and if someone can't get in Wikidata, then I think the same should apply with OSM I believe requiring notability is not necessary, at least not

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
responses inline On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-16 16:14 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: In addition to tomb=* and cemetery=grave, there's also this proposal:

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-16 17:09 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I just noticed it when a user in my area tagged a couple graves this way. I agree that all the grave: seems unnecessary. In particular, name, ref, inscription, and memorial could probably all be used as-is. I put a note on

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I do not understand the mainly for graves without historic value part. Does this exclude graves with historic value, or is it simply a hint that there are far more graves for ordinary people than there are for famous ones? I don't know, but my guess would be it was in counterpoint to the

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-16 18:05 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: As a native English speaker, I agree, tomb seems very different than an ordinary grave with a tombstone. From looking at wikipedia, the difference mainly seems to be that a tomb has a structure containing the remains, whereas