Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Me too. restaurant, fast_food, pub, restaurant, ice_cream, beer garden, cafe and bar for example should be shop= not amenity .. for my thinking. +1 shop=storage to me means a shop that sells bags, boxes .. stuff to store things in ... not the space to store stuff in. In America,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Storage and long term parking are subtly different - and LTP is definitely a part of parking. AFAIK, long term storage has the assumption that a: you are a traveller in some respect, and the amenity is usually near transportation facilities B: you will come back sometime, once possibly

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Maybe we have to be able to specify per type whether it is waste or recycling and whether you have to pay for it or not. e.g. for the containerparks (that's how we call them here in Flanders) amenity=xxx xxx:glass_bottles=recycling_no_fee xxx:sand=waste_plus_fee ... the values are not good,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
So how does one differentiate between a common use lot that is private And a *shop* that offers that? Isn't there some need for the shop=* in some regard. Javbw On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access tags as well. It then becomes the responsibility of the renderer to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread Warin
On 22/02/2015 9:55 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: I see no need to replace the recycling scheme, sorry. Ok ... do you see a need to have a key waste_collection= at all? Or should OSM continue to have amenity= values made for each kind of waste collection point? Thoughts? There is no way to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread David Bannon
On Sat, 2015-02-21 at 23:55 +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: Over here, there is a clear difference between recycling containers and waste bins. Don't think it would make mapping easier, as I said I already think of recycling vs. waste, so looking for recycling under waste is not natural for

Re: [Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
Tagging the relation containing the parts of the route is not the issue. I am referring to the ways that represent the actual track a canoe would take to traverse a lake. It is a type of path but it is on water, sort of like a ferry route. For example, the most direct route across a lake might

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Ok, so probably it's due to the translation step that I have to make that waste is more negative to me than recycling. Sorry. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:47 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Sat, 2015-02-21 at 23:55 +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: Over here, there is a clear

Re: [Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-21 Thread Warin
On 22/02/2015 2:21 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: Tagging the relation containing the parts of the route is not the issue. I am referring to the ways that represent the actual track a canoe would take to traverse a lake. It is a type of path but it is on water, sort of like a ferry route. For

Re: [Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
This seems like a good place for highway=path + portage=yes Because these are definitely still paths (and sometimes coincident with a land based path). whitewater=portage_way seems overly specific, as does canoe=portage. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-21 Thread Warin
On 22/02/2015 1:37 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: Thanks for bringing this up. Canoe routes and their connectors is a topic that needs work. In the present case and to answer your question, I would prefer portage=* This would leave open multiple possibilities for values, yes/no, canoe. kayak,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread Warin
On 22/02/2015 4:09 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: re; http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/waste_collection I don't see how this proposal is any better than the current amenity=recycling tag with all its subtags. Better.. hmm .. It is one level up .. so more prominent It is combined

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Over here, there is a clear difference between recycling containers and waste bins. Although recently they have been introducing waste bins that are a combination of classical waste bins and recycling containers for plastic bottles and tin cans. Both holes are clearly marked for their purpose:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread Warin
On 22/02/2015 10:27 AM, John Willis wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:30 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access

Re: [Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
Thanks for bringing this up. Canoe routes and their connectors is a topic that needs work. In the present case and to answer your question, I would prefer portage=* This would leave open multiple possibilities for values, yes/no, canoe. kayak, etc., that might more fully describe the portage.The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread John F. Eldredge
If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access tags as well. It then becomes the responsibility of the renderer to check these tags. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:waste_collection

2015-02-21 Thread Marc Gemis
re; http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/waste_collection I don't see how this proposal is any better than the current amenity=recycling tag with all its subtags. I understand that some waste containers are not covered by the recycling tags, but why would you drop the complete

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating aerialway=goods

2015-02-21 Thread Richard Z.
So let us see: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 05:57:47AM +0100, Andreas Labres wrote: A Materialseilbahn is a special type of aerialway (Seilbahn) and should have its own value. See the picture linked in the wiki. This is not a cable car, this is not a gondola, it is a Materialseilbahn (if you

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating aerialway=goods

2015-02-21 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 06:05:40PM +0100, Pieren wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: How is routing software supposed to know that some aerialway=goods are actually taking passengers? like roads tagged with access=no or private. Or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Sure, but we need to show that you can't store a boat in a car storage. On Sat Feb 21 2015 at 7:32:25 PM John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If the use of the vehicle storage is limited to certain people, such as residents of a particular neighborhood, use access tags as well. It

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: Please have a look at this feature proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking%3Dcar_storage . One question I have is, would this be more for something like this storage lot I can't

[Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-21 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Hi, I'd like to add some tags for canoe portages ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portage) in wilderness areas. These would be trails tagged highway=path plus some tag to designate that they're used for portaging between lakes. I have found three different tags that are currently used to tag