Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

This is missing the point. I only want to point out that apparently roundtrip=yes without any additional tagging is being used as meaning "this route is a loop" and "round-trip=no" as meaning it's an A-to-b route. This should remain valid. And let us consider how to cater for other cases. Any

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 22:30, Paul Johnson wrote: >> > What I'm saying is highway=bundesstraße could be acceptable, but >> > straße=bundestraße wouldn't be. Mostly so way type objects with highway=* >> > are still potentially routable. >> >> How do you propose these "potential routable"

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

And with existing tags how you describe it? Il sab 21 dic 2019, 10:28 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > > Dear Volker, > > I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again: > > Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary

On 21/12/2019 11:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org: I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at the rendering level, by modifying the list of

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary

21 Dec 2019, 12:56 by ajt1...@gmail.com: > On 21/12/2019 11:40, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> >> 21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by >> wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org>> : >> >>> I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least >>> within >>> a country and try to solve the problem of

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary

* Mateusz Konieczny > 21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org: >> I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within >> a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at >> the rendering level, by modifying the list of displayed road classes >> until a

Re: [Tagging] What access key for cargo bike ?

20 Dec 2019, 14:07 by florimond.berth...@gmail.com: > Well, I don’t know what the french law say, but that’s not an issue, > we don’t tag the law ;) > I’m really here just to know the english word. > In France we also say "vélo cargo" (cargo bike), so I’d go for > cargo_bike if none disapprove

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary

21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org: > I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within > a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at > the rendering level, by modifying the list of displayed road classes > until a target density of

Re: [Tagging] What access key for cargo bike ?

I agree that "cargo_bike" is a nice word for this kind of vehicle. However, I would like to point out that the term 'bike' is not very common in OSM, mostly due to the ambiguity between 'bicycle' and 'motorcycle'. To prevent this, we should think about building a tag around the terms bicycle and

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

21 Dec 2019, 01:44 by ba...@ursamundi.org: > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 1:07 AM Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com> > > wrote: > >> >> 20 Dec 2019, 01:25 by >> ba...@ursamundi.org>> : >> >>> So, for example, in the US, instead of motorway, trunk, primary, secondary, >>> tertiary,

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary

> I would expect that a road shown as e.g. trunk in Massachusets would be quite > similar in characteristics to a road shown as trunk in Montana. Characteristics always change strongly between rural areas and urban areas: in most places a highway=primary will have several lanes in a large city,

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Reminder 1: There are loops within bus route doesn't mean the route is a circular or round trip route. Reminder 2: The roundtrip=* key is designed to use in combination with hiking routes or bicycle routes. A hiking/bicyle route that goes A→B→A which come back with the same start point with exact

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 14:43, Phake Nick wrote: > Reminder 1: There are loops within bus route doesn't mean the route is a > circular or round trip route. > Fully agreed. That's why I am saying we need to alok at this with a bit of calm. There plenty of diferent route toplogies Reminder 2: The

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Dear Volker, I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again: Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are at the same location. I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and it's fine for both

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

21 Dec 2019, 01:09 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > Above it was said that the highway=trunk vs highway=primary > distinction is mostly for routing applications. But allowing a proper > rendering is also a main goal of the road tagging system. > Yes, during my work on road display in OSM Carto

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Il sab 21 dic 2019, 12:33 Volker Schmidt ha scritto: > This is missing the point. > I only want to point out that apparently roundtrip=yes without any > additional tagging is being used as meaning "this route is a loop" and > "round-trip=no" as meaning it's an A-to-b route. This should remain

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

Dear Volker, I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again: Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are at the same location. I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and it's fine for both definitions. My last offer is to abandon the closed_loop

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary

* Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Above it was said that the highway=trunk vs highway=primary > distinction is mostly for routing applications. But allowing a proper > rendering is also a main goal of the road tagging system. > While it's true that road class is useful for routing when there are > two

Re: [Tagging] What access key for cargo bike ?

Please keep in mind that in the EU the border between bicycle and (small) motorcycle is between Pedelec (a bicycle) and S-Pedelec (a small motorcycle). And cargo-bikes come in both flavours here. As said before, access tags in Osm are describing the legal access situation. BUT I'm pointing this

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

I always thought that routrip=yes was an alternative when there is no start and end point to enter in from=* to=* key. Otherwise circular routes with a known start/end point can enter as from=A via=B to=A. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 6:37 AM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 22:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> > What I'm saying is highway=bundesstraße could be acceptable, but > straße=bundestraße wouldn't be. Mostly so way type objects with highway=* > are still potentially routable. > >>

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

sent from a phone > On 21. Dec 2019, at 01:10, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Unfortunately, the road classification system in parts of Continental > Europe was different, so mappers in some major countries, including > Germany and France, chose to use highway=trunk as synonym for >

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 3:48 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 21. Dec 2019, at 01:10, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, the road classification system in parts of Continental > > Europe was different, so mappers in some major countries, including > >

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary

21 Dec 2019, 15:29 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org: > * Mateusz Konieczny > >> 21 Dec 2019, 12:00 by wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org: >> >>> I suggest to keep the road classification consistent at least within >>> a country and try to solve the problem of roads in low-zoom maps at >>> the rendering

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

Thank you for the correction. So highway=trunk in German is similar to expressway=yes in the USA? Joseph On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 6:49 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 21. Dec 2019, at 01:10, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, the road classification

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

sent from a phone >> On 21. Dec 2019, at 22:54, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: > Thank you for the correction. So highway=trunk in German is similar to > expressway=yes in the USA? I am not familiar with US tagging, but the expressway page says they must be dual carriageways and can have at

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

Do highway=trunk in German always have a physical barrier such a kerb to separate the two directions, even if they are not a dual carriageway? The English highway=trunk page says this about Germany "The carriageways are separated physically or by road markings". An automated translation of the

Re: [Tagging] What access key for cargo bike ?

sent from a phone > On 20. Dec 2019, at 14:09, Florimond Berthoux > wrote: > > Well, I don’t know what the french law say, but that’s not an issue, > we don’t tag the law ;) > I’m really here just to know the english word. > In France we also say "vélo cargo" (cargo bike), so I’d go for >

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

On 21/12/19 21:25, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: And with existing tags how you describe it? I don't. Il sab 21 dic 2019, 10:28 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > ha scritto: On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Dear Volker, I saw that someone