On 21/12/19 21:25, Francesco Ansanelli wrote:
And with existing tags how you describe it?
I don't.
Il sab 21 dic 2019, 10:28 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
<mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote:
Dear Volker,
I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again:
Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are
at the same location.
I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and
it's fine for both definitions.
My last offer is to abandon the closed_loop tag in favour of:
roundtrip:type=linear|circular
Do you agree?
No.
"Type" means nothing. Perhaps roundtrip:route=*???
As for the values .. you will need to define them!
'My' local bus route starts off with ways that are used both
directions .. and then separates into a loop where the segments
are only used in one direction.
I could imaging routes that have several loops used in one
direction and then ways that are used in both directions .. arrr
there is another route that does that ...
So what values will there be to cover complex cases???
Francesco
Il ven 20 dic 2019, 22:45 Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com
<mailto:vosc...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
Please revert the roundtrip wiki change, but let's put any
other wiki-changes on halt for a moment.
What we need to do is to find out how the roundtrip tag is
being used (the wiki is suposed to document the actual use,
not what the use should be) and in particular if there is a
more-than sporadic use of roundtrip=yes|no for anything else
than loop=yes|no.
It's difficult to get reliable quantitative results, but:
A fast overpass turbo wizard query
"type:relation and route=bicycle and roundtrip=yes in
Italy|France|England|USA|Bayern"
resulted in
Italy: 58 lines with at best a handful of them not closed loops
France: 358 lines with maybe 10 non-loops
England: 25 lines, all loops.
USA: 29, about 6 non-loops
Bavaria 213, did not find any non-loops
For me this is a strong indication that the large majority of
all cycle route relations in these countries that have a
roundrip=yes are in fact loops and that that this is the
de-facto use of the tag.
I think this is a strong case against any change.
Taginfo points in the same direction
12665 roundtrip=no
21774 roundtrip=yes
42 closed_loop=yes
no closed_loop=no
Volker
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 18:17, Francesco Ansanelli
<franci...@gmail.com <mailto:franci...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In my opinion the options are:
- deprecate roundtrip in favour of 2 tags with a
generally agreed naming convention (best at this point)
- keep roundtrip and closed_loop with the wiki definition
I did change (relations must be updated accordingly)
I read many of you asked a revert, I just want to point
out that is not a resolution because tag is currently
messed up
Il ven 20 dic 2019, 15:08 Steve Doerr
<doerr.step...@gmail.com
<mailto:doerr.step...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
On 19/12/2019 22:48, Phake Nick wrote:
Merriam Webster and some other resources you have
quoted are dictionary for American English, not the
variant of English used by OSM. Posts by original
author of the topic on the wiki talk page have
explained the meaning of the term in British English.
The OED definitions read as follows:
Originally U.S.
A. n.
1.
a. A journey to a place and back again, along
the same route; (also) a journey to one or more
places and back again which does not cover the
same ground twice, a circular tour or trip.
b. Baseball. A home run. Cf. round-tripper n. 2.
2. In extended use and figurative, esp. (Mining
and Oil Industry) an act of withdrawing and
replacing a drill pipe.
3. Stock Market (originally U.S.). The action or
an instance of buying and selling the same stock,
commodity, etc., often simultaneously. Cf. round
turn n. 4.
B. adj. (attributive). Chiefly North American.
1. Of or relating to a round trip (in various
senses). Cf. return n. Compounds 1.
2. That makes or has made a round trip (literal
and figurative).
C. adv. Chiefly North American.
As a round trip; by travelling to a place and
back again.
Note the frequent references to 'U.S.' and 'North
American'. It's an American phrase, though now widely
adopted in the UK.
--
Steve
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