And with existing tags how you describe it? Il sab 21 dic 2019, 10:28 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > > Dear Volker, > > I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again: > > Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are at the > same location. > > I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and it's fine > for both definitions. > My last offer is to abandon the closed_loop tag in favour of: > > roundtrip:type=linear|circular > > Do you agree? > > > No. > > "Type" means nothing. Perhaps roundtrip:route=*??? > > As for the values .. you will need to define them! > > 'My' local bus route starts off with ways that are used both directions .. > and then separates into a loop where the segments are only used in one > direction. > > I could imaging routes that have several loops used in one direction and > then ways that are used in both directions .. arrr there is another route > that does that ... > > So what values will there be to cover complex cases??? > > > Francesco > > > Il ven 20 dic 2019, 22:45 Volker Schmidt <vosc...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> Please revert the roundtrip wiki change, but let's put any other >> wiki-changes on halt for a moment. >> What we need to do is to find out how the roundtrip tag is being used >> (the wiki is suposed to document the actual use, not what the use should >> be) and in particular if there is a more-than sporadic use of >> roundtrip=yes|no for anything else than loop=yes|no. >> It's difficult to get reliable quantitative results, but: >> A fast overpass turbo wizard query >> "type:relation and route=bicycle and roundtrip=yes in >> Italy|France|England|USA|Bayern" >> resulted in >> Italy: 58 lines with at best a handful of them not closed loops >> France: 358 lines with maybe 10 non-loops >> England: 25 lines, all loops. >> USA: 29, about 6 non-loops >> Bavaria 213, did not find any non-loops >> For me this is a strong indication that the large majority of all cycle >> route relations in these countries that have a roundrip=yes are in fact >> loops and that that this is the de-facto use of the tag. >> I think this is a strong case against any change. >> >> Taginfo points in the same direction >> 12665 roundtrip=no >> 21774 roundtrip=yes >> 42 closed_loop=yes >> no closed_loop=no >> >> Volker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 18:17, Francesco Ansanelli <franci...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In my opinion the options are: >>> >>> - deprecate roundtrip in favour of 2 tags with a generally agreed naming >>> convention (best at this point) >>> - keep roundtrip and closed_loop with the wiki definition I did change >>> (relations must be updated accordingly) >>> >>> I read many of you asked a revert, I just want to point out that is not >>> a resolution because tag is currently messed up >>> >>> Il ven 20 dic 2019, 15:08 Steve Doerr <doerr.step...@gmail.com> ha >>> scritto: >>> >>>> On 19/12/2019 22:48, Phake Nick wrote: >>>> >>>> Merriam Webster and some other resources you have quoted are dictionary >>>> for American English, not the variant of English used by OSM. Posts by >>>> original author of the topic on the wiki talk page have explained the >>>> meaning of the term in British English. >>>> >>>> >>>> The OED definitions read as follows: >>>> >>>> Originally U.S. >>>> A. n. >>>> 1. >>>> a. A journey to a place and back again, along the same route; (also) a >>>> journey to one or more places and back again which does not cover the same >>>> ground twice, a circular tour or trip. >>>> >>>> b. Baseball. A home run. Cf. round-tripper n. 2. >>>> >>>> 2. In extended use and figurative, esp. (Mining and Oil Industry) an >>>> act of withdrawing and replacing a drill pipe. >>>> >>>> 3. Stock Market (originally U.S.). The action or an instance of buying >>>> and selling the same stock, commodity, etc., often simultaneously. Cf. >>>> round turn n. 4. >>>> >>>> B. adj. (attributive). Chiefly North American. >>>> >>>> 1. Of or relating to a round trip (in various senses). Cf. return n. >>>> Compounds 1. >>>> >>>> 2. That makes or has made a round trip (literal and figurative). >>>> >>>> C. adv. Chiefly North American. >>>> >>>> As a round trip; by travelling to a place and back again. >>>> >>>> Note the frequent references to 'U.S.' and 'North American'. It's an >>>> American phrase, though now widely adopted in the UK. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steve >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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