> iD also brings up the "suggestion" that existing amenity=clinic, pharmacy &
> (I think) dentist tags by themselves are "incomplete" & should be upgraded
> by adding healthcare=
> eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=21/-28.07641/153.42326
That's interesting. I wonder if there is a way to fi
If i understood correctly the objective of the revamping of healthcare is
to change the old way of tagging all these "amenity" (hospital, clinic,
pharmacy, ...) and use the "healthcare" key instead. But at the moment, the
preset is using both tags at the same time. So i'm asking the following
quest
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 12:51, Lionel Giard wrote:
Is there something that i am missing here ? ^_^
>
Rendering. Dual-tagging by iD is to get the new tags in place whilst
retaining the old tags until standard carto (at least) decides to render the
new tags. Given iD's relationship with Mapbox, I
> "The idea is to slowly deprecate the amenity tag"
I don't see why we should deprecate a key used millions of times for
important features like schools, hospitals, pharmacies, banks, gas
stations, and parking lots.
Changing this would require all database users, including all 4 map
styles on ope
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:19, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> Changing this would require all database users, including all 4 map
> styles on openstreetmap.org, to change what features are rendered, for
> no clear benefit, and would also require retagging millions of
> features.
>
Retagging need not
I looked up the history again, and it's clear that the healthcare tags
which duplicated common amenity tags were never popular until they
were added to the iD presets in 2017:
https://taghistory.raifer.tech - compare "healthcare=pharmacy" and
"amenity=pharmacy" - the Healthcare proposal was approv
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:34, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> I looked up the history again, and it's clear that the healthcare tags
> which duplicated common amenity tags were never popular until they
> were added to the iD presets in 2017:
>
Like it or not, iD has more influence on tagging than this
That's clearer when we get all the history thank you Joseph ! :-)
I agree with you that the added value of duplicating the key is very
limited, so i understand your edit on the wiki. ^_^
Le mer. 29 janv. 2020 à 14:49, Paul Allen a écrit :
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:34, Joseph Eisenberg
> wro
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 07:25, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> > iD also brings up the "suggestion" that existing amenity=clinic, pharmacy &
> > (I think) dentist tags by themselves are "incomplete" & should be upgraded
> > by adding healthcare=
> > eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=21/-28.0764
On 1/29/2020 8:50 AM, Lionel Giard wrote:
That's clearer when we get all the history thank you Joseph ! :-)
I agree with you that the added value of duplicating the key is very
limited, so i understand your edit on the wiki. ^_^
IMO, unilaterally deprecating healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctor/ho
sent from a phone
> On 29. Jan 2020, at 14:49, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> Like it or not, iD has more influence on tagging than this list or carto
> does. If
> iD decides a certain tag should be used in preference to an alternative, or
> that
> dual-tagging should happen, then that's what happen
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 16:39, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
> for things like pharmacies or hospitals this is only true as long as iD
> also adds the tags that carto supports along the “non-standard” tags, or
> their users will complain about things not showing up on “the map”.
Or until carto gi
Jan 29, 2020, 14:32 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com:
> history
>
I added history section to healthcare=hospital page intending to document and
explain
origin, history and controversy around this tag
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:healthcare%3Dhospital#Tag_history
Feel free to improve and
I'm trying to tag a building which is a shelter with some vending machines,
tables and benches.
This type of building is called "salle hors sac" in french, and it seems that
the english counterpart would be "picnic room".
They are places where you are allowed to bring your own food and eat it.
I
Is it time for another controversial decisions page then?
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From: Paul Allen
Sent: 29 January 2020 17:04
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 16
I was wondering about tagging roads properly. Previously it was
mentioned to use 'ref' for county roads, ie... "ref='CR 12'", but as the
road sign says "County Road 12", I was wondering about the proper way to
tag this. Should 'CR' be expanded in the 'ref' to "County Road", or
should 'ref' be 'CR
Through a friend at the University of Washington I received the following
reply:
The Global Volcanism Program (GVP) that Steve pointed to you has the most
consistently applied standard for classifying volcanoes around the globe.
In that context, any volcano that has erupted in the Holocene [1] wou
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 19:58, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> I like the suggestion of having a link to GVP article.
>
+1
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Just my two cents from germany:
In general
hw=cycleway <> hw=path + bicycle=designated;
hw=footway<> hw=path + foot=designated;
hw=bridleway <> hw=path + horse=designated;
For combinded foot and cycle paths: hw=path + bicycle=designated +
foot=designated + segregated=no;
For segregated foot a
Work with Wikidata to link the GVP article to their record on the volcano,
and only have the Wikidata link in OSM.
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 20:07 Paul Allen, wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 19:58, Clifford Snow
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I like the suggestion of having a link to GVP article.
>>
>
> +1
>
> --
Sent from my Android phone.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 12:14 PM Jez Nicholson
wrote:
> Work with Wikidata to link the GVP article to their record on the volcano,
> and only have the Wikidata link in OSM.
>
Any Wikipedians on here want to take this suggestion on?
>
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:29 PM Rob Savoye wrote:
> I was wondering about tagging roads properly. Previously it was
> mentioned to use 'ref' for county roads, ie... "ref='CR 12'", but as the
> road sign says "County Road 12", I was wondering about the proper way to
> tag this. Should 'CR' be exp
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 20:15, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> Work with Wikidata to link the GVP article to their record on the volcano,
> and only have the Wikidata link in OSM.
>
Are you going to guarantee that ALL volcanoes listed by the GVP have
corresponding Wikidata pages? If not, this idea seems
Wikidata already has the GVP property:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1886
So it's just a matter of ensuring that all volcanoes tracked by the GVP is
present in Wikidata and has the correct P1886 value.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:20 AM Clifford Snow
wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my Android pho
amenity=shelter?
Jan 29, 2020, 20:20 by luke.mar...@viacesi.fr:
> I'm trying to tag a building which is a shelter with some vending machines,
> tables and benches.
> This type of building is called "salle hors sac" in french, and it seems that
> the english counterpart would be "picnic room".
>
On 1/29/2020 2:23 PM, Andrew Hain wrote:
Is it time for another controversial decisions page then?
The healthcare=* tags were formally proposed and voted on 10 years ago.
Included in that proposal (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=1318635 ) was the idea
that dual-tagging some f
> should 'ref' be 'CR 12', and then "name='County Road 12'"
Sure, if local addresses say “123 County Road 12” and local people say “I
live on County Road 12”.
If the name is “Old County Road 12”, that would clearly be a name, not a
ref.
In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96, so
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> > should 'ref' be 'CR 12', and then "name='County Road 12'"
>
> Sure, if local addresses say “123 County Road 12” and local people say “I
> live on County Road 12”.
>
> If the name is “Old County Road 12”, that would clearly be a name, not
On 29/01/2020 16:12, Jmapb wrote:
On 1/29/2020 8:50 AM, Lionel Giard wrote:
That's clearer when we get all the history thank you Joseph ! :-)
I agree with you that the added value of duplicating the key is very
limited, so i understand your edit on the wiki. ^_^
IMO, unilaterally deprecating
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 07:08, Jmapb wrote:
>
> Although I feel that iD's a bit forceful with this stuff and should give
> users more information about what they're choosing to "upgrade,"
They sort of do.
If you look at the link I put up earlier
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=21/-28.076
On 1/29/20 16:17, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM Joseph Eisenberg
> mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96, so “ref=CA
> 96” but we called it “Highway 96” so “name=Highway 96”.
>
>
> I think you're confus
The wiki can be edited by anyone, if there are problems with the text.
My preferred method is to shoot first and ask questions later, in the
American tradition.
I've edited the Key:healthcare page to focus more on the current
situation, remove the strikethrough text from these features, while it
The problem is that new users of iD do not know that they are adding
tags like healthcare=pharmacy and dispensing=yes.
I reviewed the pharmcies in the cities I have mapped, and found that I
had added healthcare=pharmacy to 8 features unintentionally, since I
used iD for my first year of mappping.
> The healthcare=* tags were formally proposed and voted on 10 years ago.
> Included in that proposal (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=1318635 ) was the idea
> that dual-tagging some features with both amenity=*/healthcare=* would
> be the norm until the healthcare=* tags had wi
On 29/01/2020 17:04, Paul Allen wrote:
So it looks like
dual-tagging is going to become the norm any time iD comes up with an
alternative way of tagging something.
Is that what actually happened?
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:48 PM Eugene Alvin Villar
wrote:
> Wikidata already has the GVP property:
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1886
>
> So it's just a matter of ensuring that all volcanoes tracked by the GVP is
> present in Wikidata and has the correct P1886 value.
>
Can you expl
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:02 PM Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> On 1/29/20 16:17, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM Joseph Eisenberg
> > mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96, so “ref=CA
> > 96” but we called i
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:09 PM Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> The problem is that new users of iD do not know that they are adding
> tags like healthcare=pharmacy and dispensing=yes.
>
> I reviewed the pharmcies in the cities I have mapped, and found that I
> had added healthcare=pharmacy to 8 featu
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 23:09, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> Also they all have dispensing=yes, which is mostly true I think, but I
> do not recall checking any option to add this, which makes me question
> whether the tag has any meaning when it is automatically added by iD.
>
I just checked. iD
Here in Indonesia there are very few official street signs, so I go by
what is written on the signs of shops next to the street.
For example, one of the main streets nearby has shops which say:
* Jalan Kimbim No. ##
* Jalan Piramid No. ##
* Jalan Kimbim - Piramid No. ##
I believe I've seen maps
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 09:17, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:09 PM Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
> > Also they all have dispensing=yes, which is mostly true I think, but I
> > do not recall checking any option to add this, which makes me question
> > whether the tag has any meaning
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 23:16, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> Can you explain how that would work? Take the example of Mount Baker. It
> has a wikidata Q code of Q594387. GVP has a volcano number of 321010. What
> would a tag look like? Please excuse my ignorance of Wikipedia. I can read
> articles and
> I just checked. iD now (confusingly) calls the preset for this a "pharmacy
> counter" rather than a pharmacy, although the tags are for a pharmacy.
> There is an option, pre-ticked, for dispensing. You can chose to untick
> it.
> It's also in the raw tag list, of course.
>
> Paul
Thank you. I
On 29/01/2020 20:47, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
Wikidata already has the GVP property:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1886
So it's just a matter of ensuring that all volcanoes tracked by the
GVP is present in Wikidata and has the correct P1886 value.
To a regular human being rather
On 1/29/20 17:21, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> The road heads from here to Kimbim, then to Piramid. "Jalan" means way
> (or path / road / street, and the verb means "to walk", "to travel").
> It's common for roads in Indonesia to be named by the places which
> they connect, usually focusing on the fur
On 1/29/20 3:07 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> In my hometown, the main road was California highway 96, so “ref=CA 96”
> but we called it “Highway 96” so “name=Highway 96”.
That's what I was thinking. Here we have a
"name=highway 550", which is "ref=US 550", and another one is
"name='Camp Bird R
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 18:08, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> The problem is that new users of iD do not know that they are adding
> tags like healthcare=pharmacy and dispensing=yes.
>
> I reviewed the pharmcies in the cities I have mapped, and found that I
> had added healthcare=pharmacy to 8 features
Andy,
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 3:36 PM Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> I suspect that trying to rely on wikidata/wikipedia for this link will
> fail for a different reason though - the things that we tag in OSM won't
> necessarily map 1 to 1 onto wikipedia pages. Sometimes an OSMer will
> want to indica
29 Jan 2020, 23:31 by doerr.step...@gmail.com:
> On 29/01/2020 16:12, Jmapb wrote:
>> IMO, unilaterally deprecating healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctor/hospital
>> on the healthcare=* page is a bit heavyhanded. These are part of a voted
>> and approved proposal.
>>
>
> Completely unacceptable if t
On 30/1/20 11:43 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 23:31 by doerr.step...@gmail.com:
On 29/01/2020 16:12, Jmapb wrote:
IMO, unilaterally deprecating
healthcare=clinic/dentist/doctor/hospital
on the healthcare=* page is a bit heavyhanded. These
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