Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Yves
"Applies to All  and  part of a relation tagged withtype=route and route=hiking or  route=foot or route=bicycle or any other recreational route type." I was thinking of route=piste, used for cross-country skiing or snowshoeing. I'd better leave out this part unless discussed in the context

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> does that make it highway=track if it was constructed for, and its primary and intended use is for, recreation and not for forestry or agriculture access? The tag highway=track should be used for road which are primarily for agricultural or forestry use. It's also possible to use

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-20 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:57 AM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > However, if you are talking about a paved multi-use path, bicycle path or > > footway which happens to be 3 or 4 meters wide and therefore a police car > > or emergency

[Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-20 Thread Mike Thompson
Hello, Just because a trail is wide enough to accommodate a four wheeled vehicle does that make it highway=track if it was constructed for, and its primary and intended use is for, recreation and not for forestry or agriculture access? Mike ___

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-20 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:57 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > However, if you are talking about a paved multi-use path, bicycle path or > footway which happens to be 3 or 4 meters wide and therefore a police car or > emergency vehicle can fit, generally these are still mapped as >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Daniel Westergren
I think this is really great! I'm creating a site with Swedish routes for potentially setting FKT's, Fastest Known Time. Getting the GPX file (as well as distance and elevation) from a hiking route on Waymarked Trails is usually problematic if all alternative routes, excursions etc. are part of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Peter Elderson
Thanks, Daniel! Question: Will there be any naming conventions of the different levels in > the hierarchy, to make it easier to know what relation you're actually > looking at? I see in the example the parent relation is called "[name] - > main route and variations", with child relations called "

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Daniel Westergren
Right. Naming conventions is a minor issue and not what this proposal is about. Still, if all hierarchy levels have the same name, it will be confusing for users as to what's what. But maybe that's something that renderers also can do, like Waymarked Trails can add "alternative", "connection"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Thanks for rescuing the useful content from that proposal. I reused images from older proposal, hopefully it is OK (but oif unwanted - feel free to revert) At least for me it is useful illustration of what the proposal is about and clearly demonstrate that it actually ahpepns (as such

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Peter Elderson
I think that is the general idea. It can be shown on the map and as object info. WMT also uses the hierarchy in te information panel. Best, Peter Elderson Op wo 20 mei 2020 om 14:52 schreef Daniel Westergren : > Right. Naming conventions is a minor issue and not what this proposal is > about.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Warin
On 20/5/20 10:49 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Thanks for rescuing the useful content from that proposal. I reused images from older proposal, hopefully it is OK (but oif unwanted - feel free to revert) At least for me it is useful illustration of what the proposal is about and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 12:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > Thanks for doing this! > > > The excursion description is > > "A signposted side track which rejoins at roughly the same point where > it left, usually to visit a point of interest." > > That would exclude a track that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 12:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The exclusion of the black trail as a possible 'excursion' in the main > route is a judgment call. I'd be very careful about it. > > Why is one excluded where the other is not? Is that is going to be > difficult to explain in a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Warin
Hi, Thanks for doing this! The excursion description is "A signposted side track which rejoins at roughly the same point where it left, usually to visit a point of interest." That would exclude a track that 'rejoins' at exactly the same point. Most of the ones I have come across are

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-20 Thread Warin
On 21/5/20 4:28 am, Mike Thompson wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Thompson wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:57 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: However, if you are talking about a paved multi-use path, bicycle path or footway which happens to be 3 or 4 meters wide and therefore a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Peter Elderson
I understand the concerns. I reworded: excursion A signposted side track which rejoins the main track at or close to the point where it left, e.g. to visit a place of interest. The excursion is an optional addition to the main route. It's topology and purpose at the same time, where purpose can

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Peter Elderson
I will remove the black trail example, it is confusing because the illustration does not show why it's wrong. Best, Peter Elderson Op do 21 mei 2020 om 06:42 schreef Andrew Harvey : > > > On Thu, 21 May 2020 at 12:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The exclusion of the black trail

Re: [Tagging] RFC - role values for members of recreational route relations.

2020-05-20 Thread Peter Elderson
@s8evq I will strike "alternate" from the proposal. Of course, data consumers might still accept it if there is significant usage. Then I will start the "official" proposal and voting process. Best, Peter Elderson Op ma 20 apr. 2020 om 09:47 schreef s8evq : > I think this is a decent proposal.

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-20 Thread Peter Elderson
Please review and comment on this proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Recreational_route_relation_roles Definition: specification of role values for members of a recreational route relation The status has changed to proposed as of today Comments can be placed on