Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On February 1, 2015 3:10:13 AM CST, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/02/2015 7:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a stretch, leisure=summer camp to describe the myriad of facilities out there. AFAIK, there is no way to distinguish a primitive camp site from one that caters to motorized tourists, or one that offers kitchen facilities to customers. In New Zealand many campgrounds have a shared kitchen area, which they refer to as an ablution block, that includes assorted pots and pans and a source of hot water. A very nice feature indeed. ? Umm according to wiki and corresponds to my understanding abolition is cleaning oneself. So showers? Nothing to do with preparing or cooking food.. They couldbe in the same structure .. but an abolition block may not have food facilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablution http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ablution I don't have any suggestions but want to wish you luck on getting your tagging resolved. Cheers, Dave Thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Ablution is cleaning oneself. Abolition is abolishing (ending) some practice, such as abolishing slavery. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
Hi, Follow a thread on another forum (non OSM, but talking about side issues) I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; stove top (no, not a bbq) microwave_oven fridge (or refrigerator to give it a fuller name?) sink Most of these have a simple roof structure, leaving all or most sides open, a few tables and chairs. But it is the above features that make it better and something I'd look for. These features may eventually make there way onto indoor mapping too. They are all man_made so could go there. So all those features under 'man_made'? What ideas/preferences are there? I, as a beginner, could simply slot them in there .. but I don't like it .. but have no better idea. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On 1/02/2015 7:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a stretch, leisure=summer camp to describe the myriad of facilities out there. AFAIK, there is no way to distinguish a primitive camp site from one that caters to motorized tourists, or one that offers kitchen facilities to customers. In New Zealand many campgrounds have a shared kitchen area, which they refer to as an ablution block, that includes assorted pots and pans and a source of hot water. A very nice feature indeed. ? Umm according to wiki and corresponds to my understanding abolition is cleaning oneself. So showers? Nothing to do with preparing or cooking food.. They couldbe in the same structure .. but an abolition block may not have food facilities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablution http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ablution I don't have any suggestions but want to wish you luck on getting your tagging resolved. Cheers, Dave Thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a stretch, leisure=summer camp to describe the myriad of facilities out there. AFAIK, there is no way to distinguish a primitive camp site from one that caters to motorized tourists, or one that offers kitchen facilities to customers. In New Zealand many campgrounds have a shared kitchen area, which they refer to as an ablution block, that includes assorted pots and pans and a source of hot water. A very nice feature indeed. I don't have any suggestions but want to wish you luck on getting your tagging resolved. Cheers, Dave On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Frank sundowne...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi, Follow a thread on another forum (non OSM, but talking about side issues) I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; stove top (no, not a bbq) microwave_oven fridge (or refrigerator to give it a fuller name?) sink Most of these have a simple roof structure, leaving all or most sides open, a few tables and chairs. But it is the above features that make it better and something I'd look for. These features may eventually make there way onto indoor mapping too. They are all man_made so could go there. So all those features under 'man_made'? What ideas/preferences are there? I, as a beginner, could simply slot them in there .. but I don't like it .. but have no better idea. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On Feb 1, 2015 2:49 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: There is much that needs to be done to bring OSM up to speed regarding camping facilities IMO. We have only a very few tags tourism=camp_site, tourism=caravan_site, and in a stretch, leisure=summer camp to describe the myriad of facilities out there. Another one: caravan sites. There's not any way to cleanly distinguish one at a state park that, save for the campground host, doesn't allow long term stays, to ones that allow permanent accommodation and rent trailers (such as the one I live in), to ones that are exclusively long term only (think like as seen in the Canadian TV series The Trailer Park Boys). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On 31/01/15 18:11, johnw wrote: On Jan 31, 2015, at 4:29 PM, ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Had thought about this myself as we also tend to look for camps with kitchens. So on a tourism=camp_site or tourism=caravan_site node or way What about on the building that is the kitchen in the camp? (so the building is inside the area tagged as the camp) Only problem with that is that when searching I'd be looking for a camp/caravan site with kitchen:yes. On the actual kitchen building I'd suggest building=kitchen kitchen=yes kitchen:stove=yes kitchen:bbq=yes kitchen:microvave_oven=yes kitchen:fire_place=yes etc… kitchen:prep_sink=yes (large sinks for food preparation or large dish washing) kitchen;prep_area=yes (large counters) kitchen:power=yes kitchen:hot_water=yes (as proposed to water point or the like). Can be expanded to include just about anything. One we used recently would have: kitchen:crockery=yes kitchen:cutlery=yes It's one of the best equipped we've used even though it was basically a tin shed. Great fireplace for winter warmth. Cheers Ross Some of the car camping sites I have seen in Japan have better kitchens (made of cast concrete) than some restaurant kitchens. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On Jan 31, 2015, at 4:29 PM, ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Had thought about this myself as we also tend to look for camps with kitchens. So on a tourism=camp_site or tourism=caravan_site node or way What about on the building that is the kitchen in the camp? (so the building is inside the area tagged as the camp) kitchen=yes kitchen:stove=yes kitchen:bbq=yes kitchen:microvave_oven=yes kitchen:fire_place=yes etc… kitchen:prep_sink=yes (large sinks for food preparation or large dish washing) kitchen;prep_area=yes (large counters) kitchen:power=yes kitchen:hot_water=yes (as proposed to water point or the like). Some of the car camping sites I have seen in Japan have better kitchens (made of cast concrete) than some restaurant kitchens. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 15:50 +1100, Warin wrote: What other non tagged facilities are you thinking off? Toilets + benches, taps are done. Fire places? Oh .. washing lines? Most of Maybe my issue is probably more changing camp_site documentation ? I'd mention on that page - amenity=toilets fee=yes/no But I'd like to be able to record camp sites that are - * Suitable for larger rigs * Subject to road noise * Particularly nice places to camp (but too subjective) * Max stay times. * Shady. I'll do some reading . Oh, and we do have the (commercial) camp grounds where you are allocated a site and must keep you guy ropes in it. But they are not my favourite ! David On 31/01/2015 3:18 PM, David Bannon wrote: On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 14:55 +1100, Warin wrote: ... I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; Warin, I recently was looking at Tag:tourism=camp_site and thinking it lacked a lot of detail. There is a proposal to extent at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site that appears to have run out of steam. But a reasonable start. Would the features you want to add be more appropriate there ? Thin end of wedge ... the things I've stated go in any kitchen .. thus can be used by the indoor mapping group too.Thus not specific to a camp. I'd have a few things I'd like to add, mainly concentrating on facilities at what are called Free Camps in Oz, generally no (or very little) charge, remote, basic facilities for well equipped campers. Opposite end of your target . But could be turned into a nice package IMHO. I'm less inclined to a package .. someone objects to bit z, another to bit t .. and you get too many people voting against all of it due to their one gripe. So I'll try for one at a time approach and see if they go through that way. My thread is about man_made .. or some other starter to these kind of kitchen things.. The 'fee camps' in Oz are very free form .. in Germany you must place your tent in an area .. at say section G53 ... they are very regimented.. when you get your site allocated at the front office you don't just go wandering around and select what you want, those were at paid sites .. free sites in Germany .. not found by me, well before OSM. Generally remote OZ = find your own site somewhere, bury your human waste and carry out the rest. If your taking National Parks, State Forests .. some have very nice facilities .. they usually charge at them though. What other non tagged facilities are you thinking off? Toilets + benches, taps are done. Fire places? Oh .. washing lines? Most of Europe don't know what they are - they use dryers .. not the climate for a washing line. Laundry .. usually in a building and can be tagged shop=laundry think that exists. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On 31/01/2015 3:18 PM, David Bannon wrote: On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 14:55 +1100, Warin wrote: ... I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; Warin, I recently was looking at Tag:tourism=camp_site and thinking it lacked a lot of detail. There is a proposal to extent at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site that appears to have run out of steam. But a reasonable start. Would the features you want to add be more appropriate there ? Thin end of wedge ... the things I've stated go in any kitchen .. thus can be used by the indoor mapping group too.Thus not specific to a camp. I'd have a few things I'd like to add, mainly concentrating on facilities at what are called Free Camps in Oz, generally no (or very little) charge, remote, basic facilities for well equipped campers. Opposite end of your target . But could be turned into a nice package IMHO. I'm less inclined to a package .. someone objects to bit z, another to bit t .. and you get too many people voting against all of it due to their one gripe. So I'll try for one at a time approach and see if they go through that way. My thread is about man_made .. or some other starter to these kind of kitchen things.. The 'fee camps' in Oz are very free form .. in Germany you must place your tent in an area .. at say section G53 ... they are very regimented.. when you get your site allocated at the front office you don't just go wandering around and select what you want, those were at paid sites .. free sites in Germany .. not found by me, well before OSM. Generally remote OZ = find your own site somewhere, bury your human waste and carry out the rest. If your taking National Parks, State Forests .. some have very nice facilities .. they usually charge at them though. What other non tagged facilities are you thinking off? Toilets + benches, taps are done. Fire places? Oh .. washing lines? Most of Europe don't know what they are - they use dryers .. not the climate for a washing line. Laundry .. usually in a building and can be tagged shop=laundry think that exists. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 14:55 +1100, Warin wrote: ... I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; Warin, I recently was looking at Tag:tourism=camp_site and thinking it lacked a lot of detail. There is a proposal to extent at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site that appears to have run out of steam. But a reasonable start. Would the features you want to add be more appropriate there ? I'd have a few things I'd like to add, mainly concentrating on facilities at what are called Free Camps in Oz, generally no (or very little) charge, remote, basic facilities for well equipped campers. Opposite end of your target . But could be turned into a nice package IMHO. David stove top (no, not a bbq) microwave_oven fridge (or refrigerator to give it a fuller name?) sink Most of these have a simple roof structure, leaving all or most sides open, a few tables and chairs. But it is the above features that make it better and something I'd look for. These features may eventually make there way onto indoor mapping too. They are all man_made so could go there. So all those features under 'man_made'? What ideas/preferences are there? I, as a beginner, could simply slot them in there .. but I don't like it .. but have no better idea. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
Hi, Follow a thread on another forum (non OSM, but talking about side issues) I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; stove top (no, not a bbq) microwave_oven fridge (or refrigerator to give it a fuller name?) sink Most of these have a simple roof structure, leaving all or most sides open, a few tables and chairs. But it is the above features that make it better and something I'd look for. These features may eventually make there way onto indoor mapping too. They are all man_made so could go there. So all those features under 'man_made'? What ideas/preferences are there? I, as a beginner, could simply slot them in there .. but I don't like it .. but have no better idea. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings
Had thought about this myself as we also tend to look for camps with kitchens. So on a tourism=camp_site or tourism=caravan_site node or way kitchen=yes kitchen:stove=yes kitchen:bbq=yes kitchen:microvave_oven=yes kitchen:fire_place=yes etc... Cheers Ross On 31/01/15 13:55, Warin wrote: Hi, Follow a thread on another forum (non OSM, but talking about side issues) I think the following things should be mapped to add information to the map in regards some, mainly commercial, camp grounds that have communal kitchens; stove top (no, not a bbq) microwave_oven fridge (or refrigerator to give it a fuller name?) sink Most of these have a simple roof structure, leaving all or most sides open, a few tables and chairs. But it is the above features that make it better and something I'd look for. These features may eventually make there way onto indoor mapping too. They are all man_made so could go there. So all those features under 'man_made'? What ideas/preferences are there? I, as a beginner, could simply slot them in there .. but I don't like it .. but have no better idea. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
