Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2019, at 09:07, Morten Lange wrote: > > Could you/someone explain how you can search for objects that form such > spatial relationships? I’m not sure how to do it with publicly available services, but if I’m not misguided, overpass api allows you to do it. Typically this would be done by people who use a spatial db, e.g. during the rendering of a map, or during the transformation of OpenStreetMap data for a specific application. To do it yourself at home without external services you could import an extract into a PostGIS database, e.g. with osm2pgsql or imposm. You could then issue queries to this db through the command line, or e.g. by attaching layers from it to QGIS (to get adhoc visual output). The wiki has lots of information on all of these topics, the exact way of doing it depends on what you need it for, and what you feel comfortable with. I would also suggest help.osm.org as this question is offtopic on this list. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
23 Aug 2019, 09:07 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > Could you/someone explain how you can search for objects that form such > spatial relationships? > Overpass API is good for start. Wiki has page with examples for Overpass API/Overpass turbo, including "X within N meters from Y, limited to Z area".___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
Martin wrote:> IMHO no. We do not need tags of an is_in fashion for this, > we can model this universally by making use of implicit > spatial relationships (i.e. put the bike kitchen inside the community > centre or pub, or the other way round, according to our > interpretation of the situation) Could you/someone explain how you can search for objects that form such spatial relationships? I noted in another message in the thread that I am not aware of how to search for combined features, each tagged in a separate object (point/way/relation) close to oneanother. Although that is in principle a separete issue from how to tag "ground truth", I think it is relevant. And I am curious as to how such searches can be carried out. -- Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen Morten Lange On Sunday, 18 August 2019, 23:22:05 CEST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 18. Aug 2019, at 23:06, Morten Lange via Tagging wrote: I am skeptical as that makes finding them less straightforward, if you are looking for [ a place where I can get my bicycle repaired or receive some help]. it will require you look for them explicitly or the app you are using would take them into account. On the other hand from my experience these aren’t places “to get your bicycle repaired”, they are rather places you can go to and hang out with other bicycle enthusiasts of a certain political orientation and repair your bike yourself. Many potential users will not know about bicycle kitchens or that other community centres offer bicycle repairs. again, these places around here don’t “offer bicycle repairs”, they offer enabling you to do the repairs yourself " But I think they should be searchable also as somethings separate form the ordinary bicycle shop. Additional tags can do the trick. For bicycle kitchens I guess service:bicycle:diy:yes might cover it. while it isn’t factually wrong, it isn’t useful as a distinction from forprofit places where you pay to use a space to adjust your bike Here follow some new ideas that just popped out: Perhaps add something like shop:bicycle:type=bicycle_kitchen yes, if it _is_ a kind of bicycle shop. An idea that is not universally shared. Other values for that tag could be with_pub with_cafe job_training in_community_centre IMHO no. We do not need tags of an is_in fashion for this, we can model this universally by making use of implicit spatial relationships (i.e. put the bike kitchen inside the community centre or pub, or the other way round, according to our interpretation of the situation) Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2019, at 23:06, Morten Lange via Tagging > wrote: > > I am skeptical as that makes finding them less straightforward, if you are > looking for [ a place where I can get my bicycle repaired or receive some > help]. it will require you look for them explicitly or the app you are using would take them into account. On the other hand from my experience these aren’t places “to get your bicycle repaired”, they are rather places you can go to and hang out with other bicycle enthusiasts of a certain political orientation and repair your bike yourself. > Many potential users will not know about bicycle kitchens or that other > community centres offer bicycle repairs. again, these places around here don’t “offer bicycle repairs”, they offer enabling you to do the repairs yourself > But I think they should be searchable also as somethings separate form the > ordinary bicycle shop. Additional tags can do the trick. > > For bicycle kitchens I guess > service:bicycle:diy:yes > might cover it. while it isn’t factually wrong, it isn’t useful as a distinction from forprofit places where you pay to use a space to adjust your bike > Here follow some new ideas that just popped out: > > > Perhaps add something like > shop:bicycle:type=bicycle_kitchen yes, if it _is_ a kind of bicycle shop. An idea that is not universally shared. > > > Other values for that tag could be > with_pub > with_cafe > job_training > in_community_centre IMHO no. We do not need tags of an is_in fashion for this, we can model this universally by making use of implicit spatial relationships (i.e. put the bike kitchen inside the community centre or pub, or the other way round, according to our interpretation of the situation) Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
Hello, I am skeptical as that makes finding them less straightforward, if you are looking for [ a place where I can get my bicycle repaired or receive some help].Many potential users will not know about bicycle kitchens or that other community centres offer bicycle repairs.But I think they should be searchable also as somethings separate form the ordinary bicycle shop. Additional tags can do the trick. For bicycle kitchens I guess service:bicycle:diy:yes might cover it. Here follow some new ideas that just popped out: Perhaps add something like shop:bicycle:type=bicycle_kitchen Other values for that tag could be with_pub with_cafe job_training in_community_centre ? -- Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen Morten Lange On Sunday, 18 August 2019, 00:50:04 CEST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: There haven’t been more replies here, but the discussion didn’t seem conclusive either. Is everyone fine with the established tagging shop=bicycle and several subtags for the details? IMHO the mentioned subtags are fine, but I believe we should have a dedicated main tag, these really aren’t bicycle shops, or at least so different that it seems confusing to tag them like this. The established term in English is probably bicycle kitchen (as of the title of this thread), so it seems a no-brainer to tag amenity=bicycle_kitchen the established subtags would be kept, but shop=bicycle would be removed. Would this have your support? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
There haven’t been more replies here, but the discussion didn’t seem conclusive either. Is everyone fine with the established tagging shop=bicycle and several subtags for the details? IMHO the mentioned subtags are fine, but I believe we should have a dedicated main tag, these really aren’t bicycle shops, or at least so different that it seems confusing to tag them like this. The established term in English is probably bicycle kitchen (as of the title of this thread), so it seems a no-brainer to tag amenity=bicycle_kitchen the established subtags would be kept, but shop=bicycle would be removed. Would this have your support? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 17:48, Jmapb wrote: > > Also note that for self-service bike repair we have > "amenity=bicycle_repair_station" -- presumably not the best tag for this > community centre bike repair service (it sounds like volunteers do the > repair work, not the user) but worth mentioning. the repair stations are a different beast, these are places where a few essential tools are available (for problems on the go), but are unmanned. The community centre bike repair places are often fully equipped workshops, which are operated by volunteers who are taking care of the place and will help you to do the work yourself. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
Yup, In fact there are no less than three of them in Oslo and one in Reykjavik (that I know of).The preferred solution for those is I think to map two separate nodes, one for the café and the other for the bicycle (repair) shop. Or better a POI inside a way/house. The last option is what was suggested in a reply here on the list. Hmm. But to make sure they are searcable as such combinations, perhaps do something like this amenity=cafeservice:bicycle:repair=yes and/or service:bicycle:diy=yes and for the other poi/way/relation shop=bicycledescription=Also a café. See separate map point (POI) I am not aware of how to search for shop=bicycle in/within/very_near (amenity=cafe or amenity=pub ) -- Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen Morten Lange On Wednesday, 7 August 2019, 22:25:27 CEST, Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote: Cafés^, not cages. Android swiping strikes again. On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 10:19 PM Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote: I've seen cages that are also bike shops, so whatever tagging solution we up with should work with any type of shop.Leif Rasmussen On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 9:38 PM Morten Lange via Tagging wrote: Hi, I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the traditional "buy our products" sense. A community-centre that is also offers bicycle repairs / is a bicycle repair shop.Or a bicycle "shop" that primarily focuses on refurbishing disused bikes.Or a community-centre or similar that provides job training for various groups, and such training happens through running a bicycle repair service for the public. I have found a few such bicycle repair and maintenance "shops" on OSM. These are the searches I have used in overpass-turbo.eu: (shop=bicycle or service:bicycle:repair=yes) and ownership=private_nonprofitorcommunity_centre=bicycle_maintenanceorservice:bicycle:repair=yes and amenity=community_centre Many of those that I described, to my eperience do not offer Do-it-yourself (more on DIY below). They still are something else than your "ordinary" bikeshop, and I think that is significant to reflect in tagging. So I wonder how best to tag those. My experience is that most of them are non-profit. My preliminary conclusion is to use this on the nodes I have mapped in Oslo and elsewhere in Norway: shop=bicycle service:bicycle:repair=yes ownership=private_nonprofit (or ownership=public_nonprofit) Some additinional thoughts : A. If the place is a Do-it-yourself shop it should be tagged as such. Searching for this tag and value I see the pair has been used quite a lot. For example for bicycle kitchens. service:bicycle:dyi=yes. B. Tagging primarily as a community centre? Some might suggest to use amenity=community_centre combined with community_centre=bicycle_maintenance But then the community centre feature will overshadow the bikeshop aspect. (And in current renderings the place would not pop up as a place where you can fix your bicycle/tricycle) I would like to have it the other way around, that is to emphasise the service offered to the public, rather than type of establishment. Is it OK to use community_centre=bicycle_maintenancetogether with shop=bicycle ? Any other comments? Could a single "freshly invented" value do the trick like service:bicycle:repair=work_training The downside is that if searching for the value =yes, those nodes/ways/relations are not found. Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen Morten Lange P.S Bicycle kitchens and bicycle librarier are somewhat different animals. Searching the web for bicycle kitchen, bicycle library etc turns up quite a few references. But I could not find them on OSM.That is until I specifically searched in overpass-turbo for shop=bicycle and service:bicycle:diy=yes Rome, Paris and Berlin are virtually peppered. And for the case of the bicycle library .Would this be a possibe way to tag them service:bicycle:rental=library ? -- Morten Lange, Oslo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
On 8/15/2019 10:11 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Anyway, just a property like "service:bicycle:repair=yes" and a name would not work, IMHO No indeed, I wouldn't recommend it as a stand-alone feature tag. But as extra tag to a shop or amenity, it think it would help. Also note that for self-service bike repair we have "amenity=bicycle_repair_station" -- presumably not the best tag for this community centre bike repair service (it sounds like volunteers do the repair work, not the user) but worth mentioning. By the way, I'm wrong about the history of service:bicycle:* -- it was discussed and voted on in 2011, approved, and documented in the wiki under the shop=bicycle page. I must be mis-remembering some other controversy. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/service:bicycle J ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2019, at 15:49, Jmapb via Tagging > wrote: > > For anything that's not a bicycle shop but still does bicycle repairs > (I've seen cafes, car repair shops, outdoor shops, and even a church > with this service), consider just adding the > "service:bicycle:repair=yes" tag. IMHO if the main thing is about community bike repair (and not another feature like a cafe etc. which provides the service), a main tag is required. I agree that shop=bicycle is somehow stretching the meaning of the tag, although it might fit into the current definition (not sure what the definition of „store“ is): > A store where you can buy and/or repair your bike and buy accessories. and it isn’t clear what “and” means, is it a requirement that you can buy accessories, or an optional? To me it appears that a place where you can get a bicycle for free would clearly not be covered by this definition, while a place where you can get your bike repaired (or repair it yourself) for free would probably be. Anyway, just a property like "service:bicycle:repair=yes" and a name would not work, IMHO Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
On 8/14/2019 6:45 PM, dcapillae wrote: Obviusly, «amenity=community_centre» Sounds correct. For anything that's not a bicycle shop but still does bicycle repairs (I've seen cafes, car repair shops, outdoor shops, and even a church with this service), consider just adding the "service:bicycle:repair=yes" tag. The "service:bicycle:*=*" syntax was invent by iD (last year maybe?) and gets populated when you add a service to a bicycle shop through iD's "all fields" sidebar. It was controversial at the time (because it's wordy and was introduced ex cathedra, not discussed beforehand on the mailing list or wiki) but has nonetheless become popular. As long as we're using it, no reason it should be restricted only to "shop=bicycle" IMO. As far as the fee goes, if *nothing* at the feature in question costs money, then "fee=no" seems good, otherwise I suppose I'd go with "service:bicycle:repair:fee=no" (yech!) Jason ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
Sorry, Obviusly, «amenity=community_centre» (my mistake). -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Tagging-f5258744.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
Hi, Morten.
Where I live (Málaga, Spain), there is (or was) a bicycle workshop with
similar characteristics. Its creator defined it as a socio-cultural bicycle
workshop. You could take your bike there for repair. I had tools and
everything you might need. In addition, more experienced people could help
you repair your bike.
There was no need to pay anything, it was a community center. It was not a
shop, it was not a workshop, it was not a business. It was a community
workshop or socio-cultural bicycle workshop, if you prefer. In any case a
community centre.
I find it acceptable to use repair shop or bicycle shops sub-tags to specify
the services offered if there is nothing better, indicating that the
services are free ("fee=no") and that the centre is not a shop or workshop,
but a community centre ("community=centre").
Greetings from Spain.
Regards,
Daniel
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Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
7 Aug 2019, 21:36 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > Hi, > > I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the traditional > "buy our products" sense. > > A community-centre that is also offers bicycle repairs / is a bicycle repair > shop. > Map like usual repair point and add fee=no (may work for only some of them)? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
sent from a phone > On 7. Aug 2019, at 21:36, Morten Lange via Tagging > wrote: > > I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the traditional > "buy our products" sense. around here this is also a common phenomenon, I am not sure whether they are all tagged the same, some examples: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81943194 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/922740369 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/248977107 these are all places where you can repair your bicycle for free, typically you can also get parts from old bikes, or assemble a bike from old parts, but they don’t sell bikes or parts, and they may ask for a donation if you can. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
Le 07.08.19 à 21:36, Morten Lange via Tagging a écrit : > I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the > traditional "buy our products" sense. one area for the community center one node inside this area for the shop > community_centre=bicycle_maintenance this only make sense if the community_center is dedicated/exist only for bicycle_maintenance I 'll avoid this tag. > ownership=private_nonprofit (or ownership=public_nonprofit) it's hard to say who own a poi. more common is operator:type Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
Cafés^, not cages. Android swiping strikes again. On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 10:19 PM Leif Rasmussen <354...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've seen cages that are also bike shops, so whatever tagging solution we > up with should work with any type of shop. > Leif Rasmussen > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 9:38 PM Morten Lange via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the >> traditional "buy our products" sense. >> >> A community-centre that is also offers bicycle repairs / is a bicycle >> repair shop. >> Or a bicycle "shop" that primarily focuses on refurbishing disused bikes. >> Or a community-centre or similar that provides job training for various >> groups, and such training happens through running a bicycle repair service >> for the public. >> >> >> I have found a few such bicycle repair and maintenance "shops" on OSM. >> These are the searches I have used in overpass-turbo.eu: >> >> (shop=bicycle or service:bicycle:repair=yes) and >> ownership=private_nonprofit >> or >> community_centre=bicycle_maintenance >> or >> service:bicycle:repair=yes and amenity=community_centre >> >> >> Many of those that I described, to my eperience do not offer >> Do-it-yourself (more on DIY below). >> They still are something else than your "ordinary" bikeshop, and I think >> that is significant to reflect in tagging. >> So I wonder how best to tag those. My experience is that most of them >> are non-profit. >> >> >> My preliminary conclusion is to use this on the nodes I have mapped in >> Oslo and elsewhere in Norway: >> shop=bicycle >> service:bicycle:repair=yes >> ownership=private_nonprofit (or ownership=public_nonprofit) >> >> >> >> Some additinional thoughts : >> >> A. >> If the place is a Do-it-yourself shop it should be tagged as such. >> Searching for this tag and value I see the pair has been used quite a lot. >> For example for bicycle kitchens. >> service:bicycle:dyi=yes. >> >> B. >> Tagging primarily as a community centre? >> >> Some might suggest to use amenity=community_centre combined with >> community_centre=bicycle_maintenance >> >> But then the community centre feature will overshadow the bikeshop >> aspect. (And in current renderings the place would not pop up as a place >> where you can fix your bicycle/tricycle) >> I would like to have it the other way around, that is to emphasise the >> service offered to the public, rather than type of establishment. >> >> Is it OK to use >>community_centre=bicycle_maintenance >> together with >> shop=bicycle ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Any other comments? >> Could a single "freshly invented" value do the trick like >> service:bicycle:repair=work_training >> The downside is that if searching for the value =yes, those >> nodes/ways/relations are not found. >> >> >> Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen >> Morten Lange >> >> >> P.S >> >> Bicycle kitchens and bicycle librarier are somewhat different animals. >> >> Searching the web for bicycle kitchen, bicycle library etc turns up quite >> a few references. >> >> But I could not find them on OSM. >> That is until I specifically searched in overpass-turbo for >> >> shop=bicycle and service:bicycle:diy=yes >> >> Rome, Paris and Berlin are virtually peppered. >> >> >> And for the case of the bicycle library . >> Would this be a possibe way to tag them >> service:bicycle:rental=library >> ? >> >> -- >> Morten Lange, Oslo >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc
I've seen cages that are also bike shops, so whatever tagging solution we up with should work with any type of shop. Leif Rasmussen On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 9:38 PM Morten Lange via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder how I should tag bicycle shops that are not shops in the > traditional "buy our products" sense. > > A community-centre that is also offers bicycle repairs / is a bicycle > repair shop. > Or a bicycle "shop" that primarily focuses on refurbishing disused bikes. > Or a community-centre or similar that provides job training for various > groups, and such training happens through running a bicycle repair service > for the public. > > > I have found a few such bicycle repair and maintenance "shops" on OSM. > These are the searches I have used in overpass-turbo.eu: > > (shop=bicycle or service:bicycle:repair=yes) and > ownership=private_nonprofit > or > community_centre=bicycle_maintenance > or > service:bicycle:repair=yes and amenity=community_centre > > > Many of those that I described, to my eperience do not offer > Do-it-yourself (more on DIY below). > They still are something else than your "ordinary" bikeshop, and I think > that is significant to reflect in tagging. > So I wonder how best to tag those. My experience is that most of them are > non-profit. > > > My preliminary conclusion is to use this on the nodes I have mapped in > Oslo and elsewhere in Norway: > shop=bicycle > service:bicycle:repair=yes > ownership=private_nonprofit (or ownership=public_nonprofit) > > > > Some additinional thoughts : > > A. > If the place is a Do-it-yourself shop it should be tagged as such. > Searching for this tag and value I see the pair has been used quite a lot. > For example for bicycle kitchens. > service:bicycle:dyi=yes. > > B. > Tagging primarily as a community centre? > > Some might suggest to use amenity=community_centre combined with > community_centre=bicycle_maintenance > > But then the community centre feature will overshadow the bikeshop aspect. > (And in current renderings the place would not pop up as a place where you > can fix your bicycle/tricycle) > I would like to have it the other way around, that is to emphasise the > service offered to the public, rather than type of establishment. > > Is it OK to use >community_centre=bicycle_maintenance > together with > shop=bicycle ? > > > > > > Any other comments? > Could a single "freshly invented" value do the trick like > service:bicycle:repair=work_training > The downside is that if searching for the value =yes, those > nodes/ways/relations are not found. > > > Regards / Kveðja / Hilsen > Morten Lange > > > P.S > > Bicycle kitchens and bicycle librarier are somewhat different animals. > > Searching the web for bicycle kitchen, bicycle library etc turns up quite > a few references. > > But I could not find them on OSM. > That is until I specifically searched in overpass-turbo for > > shop=bicycle and service:bicycle:diy=yes > > Rome, Paris and Berlin are virtually peppered. > > > And for the case of the bicycle library . > Would this be a possibe way to tag them > service:bicycle:rental=library > ? > > -- > Morten Lange, Oslo > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
