Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-30 2:32 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: to me path implies wheelchair=no. I don't know about that, path's generally the multimodal middle between footway (like a city sidewalk) and cycleway (which often implies foot=no; less commonly foot=yes, rarely foot=designated; I

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:14 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: AFIK - footway and path are more toward the width, surface, smoothness, maintenance level, and expected use of the way. a sidewalk often gets tagged as footpath, as would be a concrete walkway in a garden. Paths are usually less

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting interpretation of history. Slightly different version: The path tag was introduced by people who couldn't deal with highway=cycleway being shared with pedestrians, and wanted something less

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-29 Thread John Willis
Interesting! Those are huge cycle ways! Here in japan, they designate small service roads normally blocked with bollards as cycle ways, as the distances covered between the intersecting roads are very long (1-2km sometimes) and sometimes more direct than the road system - but nothing more a

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Dan S
One of the most important differences is that for highway=footway, we know that pedestrians are allowed (unless other tags alter the access explicitly). With highway=path we can't always assume that pedestrians are allowed along it. I know there are routing systems that care about this difference.

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-03 23:38 GMT+01:00 Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com: Nearly all trails in this area have been tagged highway=footway although most of them are open equally to foot traffic and horse traffic. Any reason to leave them as footways? You can (IMHO) change them to path. To give some

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Mann
Interesting interpretation of history. Slightly different version: The path tag was introduced by people who couldn't deal with highway=cycleway being shared with pedestrians, and wanted something less mode-specific than highway=footway and highway=cycleway. In practice, this use is fairly

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-04 11:17 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: The path tag was introduced by people who couldn't deal with highway=cycleway being shared with pedestrians, and wanted something less mode-specific than highway=footway and highway=cycleway. the guy who proposed the

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Tom Pfeifer
In a national park, I would prefer highway=footway for the built-up and paved ways, e.g. close to the visitor centre, that are often prepared for wheelchair=yes and attract people for a Sunday stroll. Any longer, more natural paths for longer hiking I'd tag as highway=path with tagging as Dan

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-04 11:28 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-11-04 11:17 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com : The path tag was introduced by people who couldn't deal with highway=cycleway being shared with pedestrians, and wanted something less

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Mann
(hawke = snowmobile enthusiast, or at least that's the impression he gave, for anyone coming late to this debate) On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-04 11:28 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-11-04 11:17

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/4/14 5:33 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: A tag is not useless just because one particular renderer does not evaluate it. There might be other renderer and data consumer that are interested in this tag. +1 we are not tagging for one specific renderer, we are tagging for the potential suite of

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mike Thompson wrote: I am editing trails in a US National Park of which I have first hand knowledge. Nearly all trails in this area have been tagged highway=footway although most of them are open equally to foot traffic and horse traffic. This is pretty much the canonical definition of

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 11:28 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-11-04 11:17 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: The path tag was introduced by people who couldn't deal with highway=cycleway being shared with pedestrians, and wanted something

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-11-04 14:01 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Surely highway=bridleway has been around forever? It was certainly there when I started editing in 2007. surely this was there, but the German sign for a bridleway excludes pedestrians and bicycles and is rarely found in the real

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Mike Thompson
Thanks for everyone's comments. Based upon the information you have provided I believe these trails best fit highway=path as long as the appropriate access tags are added. I will also use informal=yes when appropriate as well as indicate surface type and smoothness. For those few cases where the

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread fly
Am 03.11.2014 um 23:38 schrieb Mike Thompson: I am editing trails in a US National Park of which I have first hand knowledge. Nearly all trails in this area have been tagged highway=footway although most of them are open equally to foot traffic and horse traffic. Any reason to leave them as

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread NopMap
Hi! I consider footway to be exclusively for pedestrians. If you apply the stricter german interpretation, then footway is for pedestrians. Period. If you apply the hierarchical english interpretation then footway is still for pedestrians exclusively (while bicycle includes pedestrians and

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
AFIK - footway and path are more toward the width, surface, smoothness, maintenance level, and expected use of the way. a sidewalk often gets tagged as footpath, as would be a concrete walkway in a garden. Paths are usually less maintained, less even, narrower, and lower grade surfaces.

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-03 Thread Warin
On 4/11/2014 10:30 AM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Message: 6 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 08:14:11 +0900 From: johnw jo...@mac.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] path vs footway Message-ID: 49514f61-bdf8-4b1b-84e8