Re: [Tails-dev] Question: Tails in undercover mode?
Hi folks, ok, I have understood, that it is not easy to install a windowmanager looking like MacOS or Windows. Also, you told me, you are using Gnome. Well, thinking about this, please allow me a very personal feedback: 1. The choice of using Gnome is IMO not very lucky. Gnome is big, Gnome is eating much ressources. 2. I would use LXDE or better XFCE, because they are very small and tiny. XFCE also has the advantage, to use the very fine package "kali-undercover", which let XFCE look like Windows10. 3. The lack of TAILS in 32-bit is a great disadvantage, because it can not be used on netbooks, like EEEPC or others. I believe, many people are using these still. However, I agree, that journalists today might use all 64-Bit notebooks. 4. Tails should be for everyone, so it should be small and tiny, so it can be run smoothly also on older hardware. I am sure, especially in poorer countries, people are not able, to buy the newest hardware. Last but not least: Thank you for the documentation, how to build tails. This will allow me, to build a tails version according to my own needs. Of course, there is also much to learn. Generally: Thank you all for the hard work - it is really needed and appreceated in this corrupt world! Best regards Hans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Question: Tails in undercover mode?
All, A quick follow-up to suggest that clearing the Tails screen saver/slide show require the key-press combination used to invoke it. A passer-by could otherwise restore the screen and reveal Tails with a single key press. This should perhaps be the case even when an admin password is set, as Tails' password entry screen doesn't look very "Windows". regards, alienpup alienpup wrote: > All, > > I believe hiding Tails' UI would prove too resource intensive and > ultimately futile. It just can't be done and maintained well enough to > fool sharp-eyed observers. After all, the first thing a passer-by does > is study your screen. It's human nature and very hard to resist. > > Tails users could however benefit greatly from a simple slideshow > screen saver that can be invoked instantly. Tails could ship with a few > uninteresting "stock" images and provide users the option of adding > more. Once invoked, Tails could not be distinguished from Windows. > Screen locking would remain dependent upon setting an admin password. > > regards, > alienpup > > > geb wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Hans: > > > Dear list, > > > > > > I am wondering, why tails no more get an undercover mode. IMO it is very > > > dangerous for users, if their window manager is not looking like the > > > normal > > > window manager used everywhere, especially in countries, where any > > > "strange" > > > desktop might cause attention on authorities. > > > > > > This problem could be easily solved. Most users are running either > > > windows or > > > MacOS. For windows you can just use XFCE + kali-undercover, for > > > Mac-design > > > there are several windowmanagers available (there is coming ElementaryOS > > > in my > > > mind). > > > > > > As you do only need the window-manager design, there should be no risk > > > change. > > > > > > I might remember, tails got this option some years ago, but somehow this > > > is > > > gone. Dunno why > > > > This camouflage option has been removed because the theme that proposed > > this feature was not working anymore, and because of lack of resources > > to work on it. You can read a bit more about that here : > > > > https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/10830 > > > > https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/blueprints/-/wikis/update_camouflage_for_jessie/ > > > > Unfortunately, the problem is not that easy to solve. As you can see on > > the previous links, reintroducing this feature using gnome themes would > > requires lot of work (at least at the moment these links were updated). > > > > Proposing other desktop-environments may looks simpler, but it would > > requires even more work, for UX, documentation, testing, ensuring > > everything works fine, keeping the image small enough etc, not only when > > integrating these desktop environments, but also for every releases. > > > > That said, maybe things have improved since last updates on the previous > > links. So if you are interested to give a deeper look of how it could be > > done in practice, that may be a small but important step :-). I did a > > quick testing of https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1216281/ (which is nice > > also because it has been maintained since a few years now). It seems the > > menus are only for Cinnamon, but maybe I did not tested it enough. > > > > -- > > geb > > ___ > > Tails-dev mailing list > > Tails-dev@boum.org > > https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev > > To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to > > tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. > > > ___ > Tails-dev mailing list > Tails-dev@boum.org > https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev > To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to > tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. > ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Question: Tails in undercover mode?
All, I believe hiding Tails' UI would prove too resource intensive and ultimately futile. It just can't be done and maintained well enough to fool sharp-eyed observers. After all, the first thing a passer-by does is study your screen. It's human nature and very hard to resist. Tails users could however benefit greatly from a simple slideshow screen saver that can be invoked instantly. Tails could ship with a few uninteresting "stock" images and provide users the option of adding more. Once invoked, Tails could not be distinguished from Windows. Screen locking would remain dependent upon setting an admin password. regards, alienpup geb wrote: > Hello, > > Hans: > > Dear list, > > > > I am wondering, why tails no more get an undercover mode. IMO it is very > > dangerous for users, if their window manager is not looking like the normal > > window manager used everywhere, especially in countries, where any > > "strange" > > desktop might cause attention on authorities. > > > > This problem could be easily solved. Most users are running either windows > > or > > MacOS. For windows you can just use XFCE + kali-undercover, for Mac-design > > there are several windowmanagers available (there is coming ElementaryOS in > > my > > mind). > > > > As you do only need the window-manager design, there should be no risk > > change. > > > > I might remember, tails got this option some years ago, but somehow this is > > gone. Dunno why > > This camouflage option has been removed because the theme that proposed > this feature was not working anymore, and because of lack of resources > to work on it. You can read a bit more about that here : > > https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/10830 > > https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/blueprints/-/wikis/update_camouflage_for_jessie/ > > Unfortunately, the problem is not that easy to solve. As you can see on > the previous links, reintroducing this feature using gnome themes would > requires lot of work (at least at the moment these links were updated). > > Proposing other desktop-environments may looks simpler, but it would > requires even more work, for UX, documentation, testing, ensuring > everything works fine, keeping the image small enough etc, not only when > integrating these desktop environments, but also for every releases. > > That said, maybe things have improved since last updates on the previous > links. So if you are interested to give a deeper look of how it could be > done in practice, that may be a small but important step :-). I did a > quick testing of https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1216281/ (which is nice > also because it has been maintained since a few years now). It seems the > menus are only for Cinnamon, but maybe I did not tested it enough. > > -- > geb > ___ > Tails-dev mailing list > Tails-dev@boum.org > https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev > To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to > tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. > ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Question: Tails in undercover mode?
Hello, Hans: > Dear list, > > I am wondering, why tails no more get an undercover mode. IMO it is very > dangerous for users, if their window manager is not looking like the normal > window manager used everywhere, especially in countries, where any "strange" > desktop might cause attention on authorities. > > This problem could be easily solved. Most users are running either windows or > MacOS. For windows you can just use XFCE + kali-undercover, for Mac-design > there are several windowmanagers available (there is coming ElementaryOS in > my > mind). > > As you do only need the window-manager design, there should be no risk change. > > I might remember, tails got this option some years ago, but somehow this is > gone. Dunno why This camouflage option has been removed because the theme that proposed this feature was not working anymore, and because of lack of resources to work on it. You can read a bit more about that here : https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/10830 https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/blueprints/-/wikis/update_camouflage_for_jessie/ Unfortunately, the problem is not that easy to solve. As you can see on the previous links, reintroducing this feature using gnome themes would requires lot of work (at least at the moment these links were updated). Proposing other desktop-environments may looks simpler, but it would requires even more work, for UX, documentation, testing, ensuring everything works fine, keeping the image small enough etc, not only when integrating these desktop environments, but also for every releases. That said, maybe things have improved since last updates on the previous links. So if you are interested to give a deeper look of how it could be done in practice, that may be a small but important step :-). I did a quick testing of https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1216281/ (which is nice also because it has been maintained since a few years now). It seems the menus are only for Cinnamon, but maybe I did not tested it enough. -- geb ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
[Tails-dev] Question: Tails in undercover mode?
Dear list, I am wondering, why tails no more get an undercover mode. IMO it is very dangerous for users, if their window manager is not looking like the normal window manager used everywhere, especially in countries, where any "strange" desktop might cause attention on authorities. This problem could be easily solved. Most users are running either windows or MacOS. For windows you can just use XFCE + kali-undercover, for Mac-design there are several windowmanagers available (there is coming ElementaryOS in my mind). As you do only need the window-manager design, there should be no risk change. I might remember, tails got this option some years ago, but somehow this is gone. Dunno why Thanks for reading this, any feedback is welcome. Best regards Hans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
