Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-18 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 7:04 AM BCLUG via talk wrote: > Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote on 2023-07-04 03:39: > > > 4. I see an opportunity for SUSE which maintains both an > > enterprise-Linux focus and good community relations. Are they up to > > it? As a longshot maybe even Oracle

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-06 Thread BCLUG via talk
Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote on 2023-07-04 03:39: My take: 2. IBM doesn't really give a damn about Alma and Rocky, they're just incidental casualties. The #1 and maybe only target of the subscription-wall action is IBM's longtime arch-enemy Oracle, which may now be forced to

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-06 Thread BCLUG via talk
Giles Orr via talk wrote on 2023-07-04 18:09: But for the last several years systemd has been rock-steady, and once you wrap your head around the basics, it's a LOT easier to use than maintaining those damn /etc/rc.N/ folders. At least that's been my experience. My experience too - systemd

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-05 Thread Anthony de Boer via talk
On 2023-07-05 08:57, Giles Orr via talk wrote: ... Makes sense in a depressing way: Debian wants a _stable_ version for stable, and testing is for testing things that will become the stable distro ... Huh - testing is called "trixie." I always wonder which toy is coming next ... Debian

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-05 Thread Giles Orr via talk
On Tue, 4 Jul 2023 at 23:01, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > | From: Giles Orr via talk > > Thank you and others for telling us about your experience. > > | If I need something newer, I can "pin" a > | package, getting it either from testing or backports. This is > | admittedly a PITA

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-05 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 10:01 PM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > | From: Giles Orr via talk > > Thank you and others for telling us about your experience. > > | If I need something newer, I can "pin" a > | package, getting it either from testing or backports. This is > | admittedly a

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-04 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Giles Orr via talk Thank you and others for telling us about your experience. | If I need something newer, I can "pin" a | package, getting it either from testing or backports. This is | admittedly a PITA to set up, and I hardly ever use it because of that | ... but I _have_ used it,

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-04 Thread Giles Orr via talk
A couple of points following on to 01bigtenor's reply: According to Wikipedia: "Devuan is a fork of the Debian Linux distribution that uses sysvinit, runit or OpenRC instead of systemd. Devuan aims to avoid 'lock-in' by projects like systemd and aims to maintain compatibility with other init

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-04 Thread o1bigtenor via talk
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:22 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote: > > This Red Hat change concerns me. >snip > > It feels as if RH steers the future of Linux by making so many > contributions. > > - Ubuntu LTS + fresh Ubuntu has been pretty good. I've had more > problems with package

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-04 Thread Giles Orr via talk
I was just reading about it - this is an interesting (depressing) take from Bradley Kuhn: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/jun/23/rhel-gpl-analysis/ On Tue, 4 Jul 2023 at 06:40, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > > My take: > > I wouldn't go as far as "I saw this coming", but I have long

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-07-04 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
My take: 1. I wouldn't go as far as "I saw this coming", but I have long suspected that the IBMification of Red Hat was far from complete -- layoffs, CentOS Stream, now this. RH employees that I know describe a hard shift in corporate culture. And I don't think they're done. It

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-06-27 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
This Red Hat change concerns me. LONG: Some thoughts on what my "go to" distro pair should be. | From: Alvin Starr via talk | On 2023-06-27 08:19, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: | > Yeah I am happy I switched to debian 25 years ago because Red Hat's | > quality was so poor at the time.

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-06-27 Thread Alvin Starr via talk
On 2023-06-27 08:19, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 07:29:23PM -0400, Colin McGregor via talk wrote: Let's see if I understand this correctly, Red Hat has now put a whole lot of open source / GPL software behind a paywall, where you have to pay $$ for a subscription in

Re: [GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-06-27 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 07:29:23PM -0400, Colin McGregor via talk wrote: > Let's see if I understand this correctly, Red Hat has now put a whole > lot of open source / GPL software behind a paywall, where you have to > pay $$ for a subscription in order to access the source code. Then if > anyone

[GTALUG] Red Hat Paywall...

2023-06-26 Thread Colin McGregor via talk
Let's see if I understand this correctly, Red Hat has now put a whole lot of open source / GPL software behind a paywall, where you have to pay $$ for a subscription in order to access the source code. Then if anyone uses that subscription to produce an Red Hat style distribution (ie: Red Hat