I aim to learn at least one thing every week from Raul's tutorials.
The first command I learnt was how to read without having to constantly
arrow down and mostly hold down the insert key and tap the down arrow key or
hold down the insert key and tap 2 on the numpad.
But like Window-eyes you can
I too moved across from Window-eyes to Jaws this year and am a reluctant
convert!
Firstly, when you are told the screen has lost focus, just hold down the alt
key and tap the tab key which will move you back to the screen.
I am still working my way through tutorials but have found the following
over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either.
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This is exactly what I need - thank you so much!
Alison
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What my tutor wants is for me to submit my material in double line spacing
with the first paragraph left-aligned and all subsequent paragraphs
indented.
So, what I would do is write the first paragraph without indenting. Then,
because the text is double-line spaced, pressing the enter key once
I'm using Office 10 with Office 365.
Can anyone help with auto-paragraphing please? My Creative Writing Tutor would
like me to use this feature rather than just indenting paragraphs by pressing
the spacebar.
I see that Office offers control m to ident paragraphs. If I select my text,
would
You should just be able to press the enter key or spacebar on the link. But
this may well then open a dialog box asking where you want to save the
document too. You will most likely need to press alt n to open this
navigation dialog box to choose open or save.
Alison
I am using Microsoft 365 Outlook and it calls the folder holding deleted
messages, "bin".
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Am I right though, that the deleted messages actually go to the "bin"
folder? Only unwanted ads etc. go to your "trash" folder?
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Paulette, as a new Jaws user, I'm not to best to help you but a tip I can
pass on in respect of searching within word is that it is simpler to use the
search and replace command rather than the "find" command.
So, instead of using control for "find", use control H, which is the
shortcut for
I never knew about using f6 for this and always used alt d to get the page
address and then control c to copy it.
Alison
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To:
I find the pc setting works best for me.
I press windows key e, then alt up-arrow and can arrow down to PC and press
enter and then arrow down to what I want. I find this works particularly
well when I want to access my USB or DVD drives.
Alison
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The other thing which occurs to me is whether your computer can play this
type of attachment.
Alison
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When I was using Window-eyes, I used to open attachments by shift tabbing
back to the subject line and then right-arrowing to the attachment.
Sometimes pressing enter would bring up options but more often I had to
double click the left mouse button.
Alison
I am using MS Word 365 (is it?) and control tab does move through the groups
in a ribbon for me. So, firt press tab and then try control plus tab.
Alison
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Alt n a f
But good look finding it!
Alison
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Sounds awful. I just hope it doesn't make its way over here to the UK.
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Your weather conditions are all over our news. Is it as bad as they have
forecasted?
Alison
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say line command.
>
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> Whilst on this topic, I have just gone over to Jaws and one thing I
> don
Whilst on this topic, I have just gone over to Jaws and one thing I don't like
about it is that when in Windows Explorer and arrowing down my list of
downloaded books, it no longer tells me how many items in the list and which
number in the list is selected.
Is there a way to adjust this?
With Window-eyes, if I had a calendar alert, I could tab to dismiss but Jaws
just goes silent. Is there something I'm supposed to be doing?
Alison
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On my Milestone's SD Card I have created folders entitled Book1, book2 etc.
and copy my talking nbooks into these folders - it saves always having to
change the name of the folder to that of the book.
In Window-eyes, as I arrowed down the folders, it would report if the folder
was empty or, if it
ows
Explorer.
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Subject: RE: saving documents in Office 365
We have just installed Office 365. How do I save a document to a specified
fo
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What you advise works for vie
get a range of choices.
HTH.
Rebecca
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We have just installed Office 365. How do I save a document to a specified
folder?
Alison
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your e-mail. I don't know a lot more
than that at present.
Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
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In Window-eyes there was the insert c command to use the Outlook calendar;
is there something equivalent in Jaws?
Alison
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I confess that I also have a text file where all the passwords are listed.
The file has a very obscure name so hopefully is safe enough.
But when I have a complicated and difficult to remember password, I too copy
and paste it across.
Alison
I didn't know you could turn this feature off in Window-eyes.
All my devices do the same for passwords so just assumed it was something I
was stuck with.
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I belong to a Creative Writing Class and have been nagged into writing a
story which is now finished. Two of the class have very kindly agreed to
read the story and make comments. One sent the text back with "comments"
which I could read with Window-eyes but the other has used "track changes"
and
I have always used control h for finding text in MS Word. In fact it is the
find and replace command but I find it less fiddly than the control f
command.
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I can't remember any version of Outlook which has given me this information.
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I have downloaded the migration and promised myself to spend at least two or
three hurs each week learning to use Jaws - but here I am, still in my
comfort zone with Window-eyes.
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Could folk please change the subject line.
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But in the meantime, it is still a firstclass screenreader which works
incredibly well!
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I do prefer the Window-eyes Outlook Calendar but control 2 does work when
using Jaws.
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Thanks for this. I'll go through this too.
It's a bit bewildering when you are faced with 60 plus pages of keystrokes!
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Some of Window-eyes' features I've found really useful have been
Read page elements: insert e;
Speak summary: control shift s;
Display page navigation dialog: insert tab reads comments, huyperlinks
spelling errors and more).
I wondered if Jaws had the equivalent? As Jaws calls
A friend sent me this link yesterday and I've found it really helpful as not
only does it list the Jaws keystrokes but gives examples of how they are
used.
http://www.sweetmansystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Jaws-Word-and-Inte
rnet-Commands-with-Examples.htm
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At last I have migrated to Jaws. I have to confess I'm not enjoying the
experience so far but realise I need to learn how to tweak some settings.
My first problem is that I don't like the speech! I strongly disliked the
default Eloquence and am using Peter at the moment but wondered which voices
I have received an e-mail today saying they are waiting for me to confirm
whether I want the home or pro edition. Looking at the e-maiol they have
asked me this before but I am adamant I didn't receive that e-mail and I've
checked my junk folder.
Anyway, at least they now seem to be on the case.
I've left a message for the British aGent, so let's see what happens next.
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I've had the automated confirmation which came also immediately, but nothing
else.
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I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one ten days
ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an automated
reply.
Is this typical?
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I have started the process for getting the free Jaws download but suspect I
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I've never found the 7 way helpful. I usually just shift tab back to the
attachments and then press enter on the attachment I want.
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You'd probably need to download the Daisy Book to an mp3 player.
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I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a
tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but
why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a
tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing
My paths haven't crossed with Brian Hartgen for many years but when I was
relatively new to computers, his tutorials were really helpful, especially
as at that time, he was a Window-eyes user himself. He is very
knowledgeable, talks in a non-technical way and makes learning easy. Will I
buy his
Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually switching
Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that we switch it back
on, we get the End of Life Message.
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Me too.
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This is reassuring.
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I presume that it is because Window-eyes was purchased with the intention of
eliminating a competitor so they are unlikely to release a source code for
others to develop Window-eyes.
I'm really sorry and a bit fed-up too that Window-eyes is to be discontinued
but can see it is a business decision
I agree; Window-eyes was never properly marketed in the UK. This isn't a dig
against the independent companies who acted as agents but the big
organisations like RNIB.
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I can't help but think we talked ourselves into this situation!
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It may be dying, Peter, but it isn't ctually dead yet. It works absolutely
fine for me on Windows 10 and I will be sticking with it until I reach a
time when Window-eyes can no longer support the work I'm doing.
So, let's just say it is terminally ill, rather than dead!
Alison
Is this just an urban myth or a fact? Do you actually know that the number
of Window-eyes users has fallen?
What will kill Window-eyes is the fear of it being discontinued so new users
will not take the risk in future of purchasing it.
Alison
burban
I've never had much success with f7 but by shift-tabbing I am usually able
to find the attachment and open or save it.
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I'm much happier with this subject line - smile!
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I anticipate that eventually NVDA and other screenreader competitors will be
bought out to eliminate competition and eventually there will just be Jaws.
But until that day, I will continue to use and enjoy Window-eyes.
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No, but you'd think so by the subject headings and the negative talk on this
list!
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I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.
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The future is very uncertain and it is difficult to encourage anyone to
purchase Window-eyes at the moment, not knowing what the future holds.
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Yes, for me too. I am using Dectalk Access as my synthesiser but wonder how
other synths might be reading your examples.
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I see this as a promising sign, however. If you are about to abandon a
product, why go to all this trouble?
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I'd feel the same as you. My fear is that all this negatism actually
threatens the product.
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I frequently purchase songs via Itunes using my phone, which allows me to
hear a section before purchasing. I rarely have any problems.
I don't use the Itunes website on my pc but do keep all my music in Itunes
which then enables me to share the song I've purchased with my Iphone but
also on
I find it rather reassuring that we are still getting updates.
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What a great subject line!
Let's not kill it off until we have to!
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Well I plan to keep my head in the sand for as long as I can and stick with
what I know.
I doubt that I will ever go over to Jaws but will stay sitting on the fence
for as long as I possibly can to see what solutions work for others who are
also reluctant to go over to the Shark!
Alison
Yes, pressing alt n should take you to the notification bar but then tabbing
or shift tabbing will give you the option to open or save - the save is
often a split button so right-arrowing on this will give you the "save as"
option.
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I came across instructions once on how to make Window-eyes speak certain
keystrokes, in particular to have Window-eyes say "send/receive mail" when
you press control m in Outlook but I can't remember how to do this; could
someone tell me please? I'm presuming it is hidden somewhere in the
I remember listening to a tutorial or webinar where I was shown how to make
Window-eyes speak "send/receive mail" when I press control m in Outlook but
I can't remember where to go to enable this; can anyone help?
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I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much more
human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
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And we are so grateful to you, Doug, and others like you who invested so
much time and effort into making computers accessible.
I recall when Windows was about to be introduced and the blind media were so
despondent, claiming that blind people would never be able to access the
Windows system, but
I never had much success either in printing on sheets of labels.
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I have a Dymo Label printer which I've found really useful; the
self-adhesive labels come in a roll and fit in the Dymo Printer and you can
copy and paste the address into the edit box, select the address from the
address book or type the address into the edit box. There is also a keyboard
The way I do it is to write the address in Word, highlight it and then hit
alt m for mail and e for envelopes and tab through to print.
This usually works for me.
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This is excellent advice and I'd urge us all to write to VFO with our
concerns. I'm not as technically savvie as some of you but I still plan to
write and express my concerns and tell them why I have always preferred to
use Window-eyes and want for the future.
There's nothing to be gained by just
Mostly I don't have this problems with Favourites but now get a security
problem everytime I try to download items via Sentspace.
Is there a way round this?
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I agree. If you look at the time and expertise which has gone into
developing the product, then you can't expect to get that for nothing.
Throughout my working life Vocal-eyes and then Window-eyes has been there to
support me.
IN my naivety I have always believe that there was little to choose
I had a message which seemed to indicate my subscription had been terminated
due to too many bounces so am writing this message to see whether I am still
subscribed.
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I'm unsure if this will reach the list but what is it telling me and do I
need to do anything please?
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There is indeed an audio tutorial on using tables within PDF. Below are some
of the notes I took down regarding same:
Move to link: l
Move to heading; h
Move to table: t
Read tables in PDF:
go to table: t
Enable table mode: control-plus key
Read column header: ctrl-shift-h
Navigate
I think I may have accidentally change some sort of setting as several
e-mails in Outlook are now arriving in table format and are virtually
impossible to read, unless I use the mouse.
I don't know what I've done but is there a work-around for such e-mails?
Alison
e-mails
I am old-fashioned enough that if I like several tracks on an album, I still
prefer to buy a hard copy of the CD. However, if I only want a single track
then I use iTunes because it is so simple. It downloads the track to iTunes
but if I then decide that I'd like to create my own playlist and copy
But where in App Cantal will I find it - under which heading please?
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Where can I find the Append Clipboard app and is it worth having, do you
think?
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I keep trying to access Appget but nothing happens. Is the site down?
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Have you tried control y?
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I've been a Window-eyes user ever since I converted from DOS but have never
read the manual!
I think that if I was going to recommend anything, then it would be more
tutorials on various topics but much shorter. So, for example, rather than
having one tutorial on using Window-eyes with Windows
I too am sorry to see Mark go. In truth we would really benefit from some of
the tutorials being updated, i.e. I would very much like a tutorial on using
Windows 10 with Window-eyes and an update on using Window-eyes with iTunes.
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This is really interesting; many thanks.
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Forgive me if this message has already been sent.
I receive certain messages, usually in table lay-out, where Window-eyes is
constantly saying "bell"; what is the significance of this and how can I
stop it please?
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I am receiving certain messages, usually containing table lay-outs, where
Window-eyes keeps saying "bell".
What is the signicance of this and how can I stop it please?
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I don't.
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I'd agree.
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When I got a job as a Rehab. Worker in 1986 I think it was, I started with
a Versabraille. It was supposed to be portable but in truth was too bulky
and heavy to lug around. I stuck with that for about three years, so it was
probably about 1990 when I got my first computer which was DOS-based and
Since installing the latest version of Window-eyes and the Anniversary
version of Windows 10, Anything and almost everything chimes! For example,
many e-mails chime when I open them, especially if a message comes up that
lines have been stripped, and again it will chime to tell me when I had
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