Re: GWMicro.com

[Grant Metcalf via Talk]

Hi,
Thanks to my son-in-law I have solved the problem. He hide the GWMicro 
favorite app and it no longer is popping up on my screen.

Happy Grant


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From: Grant Metcalf via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:01 PM
To: Via Talk
Subject: GWMicro.com

Hi listers,
Often when I go to a webpage it appears that I get a “security” blocking 
from GWMicro. I can read the top of the page and then the GWMicro message 
appears. If I hit the spacebar or perhaps another key it seems to go away. 
Has anybody else had any experiences like this? What can be done to prevent 
this happening.


Grumpy Grant
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GWMicro.com

[Grant Metcalf via Talk]

Hi listers,
Often when I go to a webpage it appears that I get a “security” blocking from 
GWMicro. I can read the top of the page and then the GWMicro message appears. 
If I hit the spacebar or perhaps another key it seems to go away. Has anybody 
else had any experiences like this? What can be done to prevent this happening.

Grumpy Grant
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[michaels mail via Talk]

I agree Pam i use to use out look express on my XP machines it was ferfect 
and never crashed.

I found it the best.
But now i use WLM and have crashes ofeen.
I have been thinking of muying microsoft word 2016 it comes with out look.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:55 AM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

Outlook express was the first email program I ever used, and my favorite.
Other than that, I have used windows mail, and now use windows live mail.
They'll pass, but they still don't completely compare to what outlook
express used to be.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:58 AM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: email, your choice

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Windows mail is not supported, but windows live mail can still work fine. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: email, your choice

Outlook express would still be my choice, then Windows Mail. Now that
I'm using windows ten I'm using Thunderbird. Don't like it, but It'll
work. Windows Live is no longer supported and never liked Outlook.
Couldn't get Becky mail to work on my system either.
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email, your choice

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Outlook express would still be my choice, then Windows Mail. Now that 
I'm using windows ten I'm using Thunderbird. Don't like it, but It'll 
work. Windows Live is no longer supported and never liked Outlook. 
Couldn't get Becky mail to work on my system either.

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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Patricia Krinke via Talk]

Rod,

Thank you for participating fully in our questions and outbursts.  You are a 
wise gentleman and very much apppreciated,


Trish Krinke

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:53 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hi Dave,

I subscribe to Office 365, and unless Outlook becomes so unusable that I 
have to change to something else, it will be the email client I use for 
ever.  Over the past year or so, I've seen it improve steadily in terms of 
accessibility.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:59 AM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Outlook express was the first email program I ever used, and my favorite. 
Other than that, I have used windows mail, and now use windows live mail. 
They'll pass, but they still don't completely compare to what outlook 
express used to be.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:58 AM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?

Thanks for any opinions.

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Are you using windows ten? Window eyes does not perform  as it did in 
previous versions of windows. The mouse pointer and invisible curser are 
nearly useless! In my case, I have to use the rename folder or file 
function in order to find out how the folder or file is spelled. Can't 
do it no longer with the review curser.

On 1/12/2017 12:40
PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there Dave and Group!

Dave, can you site some examples of what you are talking about -2 steps
forward and 3 back or 3 forward and 2 back? I have been using
Window-Eyes since version 5.1  and every major update has given a great
deal more functionality to the program as well as the user as fara as I
can see.  Wonder if you might be able to site a specific example where
things are broke or just don't work as well.  Yes, I do have to learn a
few things with these updates but I consider that to be part of using
technology.  If I run across something that just doesn't work or at the
least work as advertised I will be the first to scream and jump up and
down and want to know what is wrong.  B*ut just because something works
a bit differently doesn't mean that it is broke.  I guess I have gone on
long enough on this subject.  BTW, I have yet to find any real issues
with W.E. aside from a Thunderbird issue which isn't related  to W.E. as
far as I can see since I experience the same issues with NVDA and
Narator.  Have A Good 1! de*

*.*


On 12-Jan-17 11:03, John Farley via Talk wrote:

And do you think that the world of television, domestic appliances,
automobiles etc. are any different.

The VI community are not immune from change.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:30 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Yes, it does seem as if those who sell products to earn a living, cannot
resist the temptation to change it, and changing it sometimes is for the
better, but many times, the changes is one or two steps backwards.

Marketing puts pressure on Development to come up with something NEw NEW
NEW, and so Development does, and Marketing is Happy, but is the end
user always happy?

Most people that use a computer, are not Computer Geeks.  They use the
computer, to do their jobs, or to do their household duties, Bill paying
etc.

and when Microsoft, or who ever comes out with their latest offering,
people are forced to re=learn what they had already learned in the
earlier edition of the same software.

I talk with people all over the country, and I do this on my job.  And
computers is what we talk about.  Time and time again, people have told
me, they do not like Big Big changes.  Changes big enough to require
them to look at the latest edition and wonder where they start, because
the new edition is so different.

Now it takes three steps to do what once took two, or even one.

In the case of Screen Readers, now our Readers read even less of the
program than it did before.

this is what I mean by going backwards.

I have no solution, as it seems that Change is the best way to gain
new customers but once these customers are familiar with the program,
any major changes are not welcome, unless those changes streamline the
work the program does for the user.

One Step forward and Two Steps back?

  this is not Progress, just in case anyone is confused.

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Dave and Group!

Dave, can you site some examples of what you are talking about -2 steps 
forward and 3 back or 3 forward and 2 back? I have been using 
Window-Eyes since version 5.1  and every major update has given a great 
deal more functionality to the program as well as the user as fara as I 
can see.  Wonder if you might be able to site a specific example where 
things are broke or just don't work as well.  Yes, I do have to learn a 
few things with these updates but I consider that to be part of using 
technology.  If I run across something that just doesn't work or at the 
least work as advertised I will be the first to scream and jump up and 
down and want to know what is wrong.  B*ut just because something works 
a bit differently doesn't mean that it is broke.  I guess I have gone on 
long enough on this subject.  BTW, I have yet to find any real issues 
with W.E. aside from a Thunderbird issue which isn't related  to W.E. as 
far as I can see since I experience the same issues with NVDA and 
Narator.  Have A Good 1! de*


*.*


On 12-Jan-17 11:03, John Farley via Talk wrote:

And do you think that the world of television, domestic appliances,
automobiles etc. are any different.

The VI community are not immune from change.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:30 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Yes, it does seem as if those who sell products to earn a living, cannot
resist the temptation to change it, and changing it sometimes is for the
better, but many times, the changes is one or two steps backwards.

Marketing puts pressure on Development to come up with something NEw NEW
NEW, and so Development does, and Marketing is Happy, but is the end
user always happy?

Most people that use a computer, are not Computer Geeks.  They use the
computer, to do their jobs, or to do their household duties, Bill paying
etc.

and when Microsoft, or who ever comes out with their latest offering,
people are forced to re=learn what they had already learned in the
earlier edition of the same software.

I talk with people all over the country, and I do this on my job.  And
computers is what we talk about.  Time and time again, people have told
me, they do not like Big Big changes.  Changes big enough to require
them to look at the latest edition and wonder where they start, because
the new edition is so different.

Now it takes three steps to do what once took two, or even one.

In the case of Screen Readers, now our Readers read even less of the
program than it did before.

this is what I mean by going backwards.

I have no solution, as it seems that Change is the best way to gain
new customers but once these customers are familiar with the program,
any major changes are not welcome, unless those changes streamline the
work the program does for the user.

One Step forward and Two Steps back?

  this is not Progress, just in case anyone is confused.

Grumpy Dave




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Re: history of window eyes

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi david:

I agree with you totally.  As a trainer of assistive technology for
the blind since the mid 1980s, I felt that it was a lot easier to
train people on Windows thant in DOS because of the uniformity of most
commands.

Kevin Huber

On 10/20/16, David Goldfield via Talk  wrote:
> What I'm about to say might almost be considered heresy by some but, to
> be honest, I felt like I was the only blind computer user on the entire
> planet who never took to Wordperfect for DOS. Had I given it more of a
> chance I likely would have warmed up to it. I just found the whole
> command set so unintuitive. It seemed like some commands required you to
> press home, home pageup or home, home, pagedown and, to me, this just
> never made sense. I'm so glad that Word and other Windows-based word
> processors have not only provided us with standard keyboard commands but
> ones which seem far ore intuitive.
>
>
>David Goldfield,
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> Feel free to visit my Web site
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>
> On 10/18/2016 11:38 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I sure do! I used WP from 5.0 through 6.2 for dos and briefly ran
>> WP7.0 on a windows 98 system.  It just seemed to be easier to use for
>> some reason.  Catch Ya All Later! de
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On 18-Oct-16 00:36, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:
>>> Many of us still miss word perfect.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
>>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.

 In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
 Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
 correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that
 many
 have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
 Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
 May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
 Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
 a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the
 Bns to
 be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new
 features to
 try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time.
 Its
 name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
 Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
 Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
 It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the
 SSIL
 library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
 the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
 screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
 corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
 about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
 Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
 more than a few years.

 This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
 talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
 technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
 established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
 locating it.



 David Goldfield,
 Assistive Technology Specialist

 Feel free to visit my Web site
 WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

 On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
> was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
> interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
> purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
> 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
> $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
> I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
> Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
> offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
> reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.
>
> Jeff
>
> At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
>> screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
>> originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
>> partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
>> Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
>> so when Malcolm teamed up 

RE: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Dave,

I subscribe to Office 365, and unless Outlook becomes so unusable that I have 
to change to something else, it will be the email client I use for ever.  Over 
the past year or so, I've seen it improve steadily in terms of accessibility.

Hth,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:59 AM
To: A I Squared Support 
Subject: Email programs, Your Choice?

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?  

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.  

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.  

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.  

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago. 
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.   
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.  

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.  
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.  


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?  

Thanks for any opinions.  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: window eyes.

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Hi.
The exact same thing happened to me and I had to go to the website to 
re-install them.  I don't think it's a system problem.  My placecards stopped 
working, also and I can't redo them.  Somebody else on this list had the same 
ap problem.



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www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:21:05 -0500
Loy via Talk  wrote:

> App Central is still on the GWMicro website. You can go there and get the 
> apps you need. All my apps are still there and I just downloaded some new 
> one. something must have went wrong in your system that caused the problem.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Singing Sparrow via Talk 
>   To: Mike Rogers ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>   Cc: Robert Ringwald 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:30 AM
>   Subject: Re: window eyes.
> 
> 
>   see that is also the problem the app get app along with everything is 
>   gone, so no way of reinstalling the apps.
> 
> 
> 
>   On 1/11/2017 3:55 PM, Mike Rogers wrote:
>   > Three fourths of my aps suddenly disappeared, last week.  I had to 
> re-install them.  Also, my placecards all disappeared and the function no 
> longer works.  Very strange.
>   >
>   > 
>   >
>   > www.harmonicaworkshops.com
>   > www.woodeneyemusic.com
>   >
>   >
>   > On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:20:26 -0600
>   > Singing Sparrow via Talk  wrote:
>   >
>   >> apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free window 
> eyes for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped sellingwindow eyes 
> all together. has anyone had problems with their apps not being installed or 
> not showing up after countless of restarts and shut downs i can not get any 
> of my apps to show up i have shut off and on appsand that does not seem to 
> work either.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >> On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>   >>> Where do you turn it off?
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
>   >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
>   >>> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   >>> Subject: Re: passwords not speaking
>   >>>
>   >>> Pam,
>   >>> Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
>   >>> default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech when
>   >>> others are around. But you can turn it off.
>   >>>
>   >>> Hth,
>   >>> Tom
>   >>>
>   >>>
>   >>> On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
>    I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
>    passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
>    spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
>    saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.
>   
>    -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
>    Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
>    To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>    Subject: Re: passwords not speaking
>   
>    Brice,
>   
>    I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with Window-Eyes 
> I'd
>    put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
>    logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.
>   
>    Regards,
>    Tom
>   
>   
>    On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
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>   > when entering my password. You don't even hear star.
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Re: window eyes.

[Loy via Talk]

App Central is still on the GWMicro website. You can go there and get the apps 
you need. All my apps are still there and I just downloaded some new one. 
something must have went wrong in your system that caused the problem.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Singing Sparrow via Talk 
  To: Mike Rogers ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Cc: Robert Ringwald 
  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: window eyes.


  see that is also the problem the app get app along with everything is 
  gone, so no way of reinstalling the apps.



  On 1/11/2017 3:55 PM, Mike Rogers wrote:
  > Three fourths of my aps suddenly disappeared, last week.  I had to 
re-install them.  Also, my placecards all disappeared and the function no 
longer works.  Very strange.
  >
  > 
  >
  > www.harmonicaworkshops.com
  > www.woodeneyemusic.com
  >
  >
  > On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:20:26 -0600
  > Singing Sparrow via Talk  wrote:
  >
  >> apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free window 
eyes for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped sellingwindow eyes 
all together. has anyone had problems with their apps not being installed or 
not showing up after countless of restarts and shut downs i can not get any of 
my apps to show up i have shut off and on appsand that does not seem to work 
either.
  >>
  >>
  >> On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
  >>> Where do you turn it off?
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
  >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
  >>> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: Re: passwords not speaking
  >>>
  >>> Pam,
  >>> Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
  >>> default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech when
  >>> others are around. But you can turn it off.
  >>>
  >>> Hth,
  >>> Tom
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
   I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
   passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
   spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
   saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.
  
   -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
   Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
   To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Subject: Re: passwords not speaking
  
   Brice,
  
   I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with Window-Eyes I'd
   put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
   logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.
  
   Regards,
   Tom
  
  
   On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
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Re: window eyes.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

You have a few options.
1. All of the default WEPM app installation files are in C:\Program 
Files\GW micro\Window-Eyes.

Make sure you install GwToolkit first if it's not installed.
2. Open the Window-Eyes control panel.
Alt F File. E Explore profile folder.
Backspace out of the folder and rename it. I'd also copy and paste the 
folder to another location as a backup if there's anything you want to save.

Reload Window-Eyes and it will create a new default profile folder.
You might want to close Window-Eyes and run NVDA or Narrator before 
renaming the default folder.

3. Backup your profile folder and then reinstall the latest upgrade file.

Hth,
Tom

On 1/12/2017 11:30 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:

see that is also the problem the app get app along with everything is
gone, so no way of reinstalling the apps.



On 1/11/2017 3:55 PM, Mike Rogers wrote:

Three fourths of my aps suddenly disappeared, last week.  I had to
re-install them.  Also, my placecards all disappeared and the function
no longer works.  Very strange.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:20:26 -0600
Singing Sparrow via Talk  wrote:


apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free
window eyes for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped
sellingwindow eyes all together. has anyone had problems with their
apps not being installed or not showing up after countless of
restarts and shut downs i can not get any of my apps to show up i
have shut off and on appsand that does not seem to work either.


On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Where do you turn it off?



-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Pam,
Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech
when
others are around. But you can turn it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Brice,

I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with
Window-Eyes I'd
put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Did you install a new virus suite? The one I use prevents any
feedback
when entering my password. You don't even hear star.
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Re: window eyes.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

see that is also the problem the app get app along with everything is 
gone, so no way of reinstalling the apps.




On 1/11/2017 3:55 PM, Mike Rogers wrote:

Three fourths of my aps suddenly disappeared, last week.  I had to re-install 
them.  Also, my placecards all disappeared and the function no longer works.  
Very strange.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:20:26 -0600
Singing Sparrow via Talk  wrote:


apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free window eyes 
for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped sellingwindow eyes all 
together. has anyone had problems with their apps not being installed or not 
showing up after countless of restarts and shut downs i can not get any of my 
apps to show up i have shut off and on appsand that does not seem to work 
either.


On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Where do you turn it off?



-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Pam,
Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech when
others are around. But you can turn it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Brice,

I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with Window-Eyes I'd
put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Did you install a new virus suite? The one I use prevents any feedback
when entering my password. You don't even hear star.
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[john s via Talk]

Eudora still works for me, using win 7 pro.


earlier, Kevin Huber via Talk, wrote:

Hi Dave:

Right now, I use Windows Live Mail.  I used to use it, but I switched
to Outlook 2013 fora while.  The problem was that I could not send
messages, I could only read incoming messages, and noone could figure
out the problem so I used the website of our local provider but it was
too frustrating to navigate so I went back to WLM.  Even if it will no
longer be supported, I will still use it, at least for the time being.
I tried Thunderbird a few years ago, but I found it to be two chatty
and Their seems to be a lot of complants about it on this list.

Kevin Huber

On 1/12/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
> opinion?
>
> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.
>
> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
> retired Eudora.
>
> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
> if WLM is quick and simple to use.
>
> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
>
> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.
>
> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.
>
>
> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?
>
> Thanks for any opinions.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

that's how life goes, folks.  Change is inevitable and you have to 
figure out how to go with it.


Whining on an email list ain't gonna solve jack.

.



On 1/12/2017 11:03 AM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

And do you think that the world of television, domestic appliances,
automobiles etc. are any different.

The VI community are not immune from change.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:30 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Yes, it does seem as if those who sell products to earn a living, cannot
resist the temptation to change it, and changing it sometimes is for the
better, but many times, the changes is one or two steps backwards.

Marketing puts pressure on Development to come up with something NEw NEW
NEW, and so Development does, and Marketing is Happy, but is the end
user always happy?

Most people that use a computer, are not Computer Geeks.  They use the
computer, to do their jobs, or to do their household duties, Bill paying
etc.

and when Microsoft, or who ever comes out with their latest offering,
people are forced to re=learn what they had already learned in the
earlier edition of the same software.

I talk with people all over the country, and I do this on my job.  And
computers is what we talk about.  Time and time again, people have told
me, they do not like Big Big changes.  Changes big enough to require
them to look at the latest edition and wonder where they start, because
the new edition is so different.

Now it takes three steps to do what once took two, or even one.

In the case of Screen Readers, now our Readers read even less of the
program than it did before.

this is what I mean by going backwards.

I have no solution, as it seems that Change is the best way to gain
new customers but once these customers are familiar with the program,
any major changes are not welcome, unless those changes streamline the
work the program does for the user.

One Step forward and Two Steps back?

  this is not Progress, just in case anyone is confused.

Grumpy Dave




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RE: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[John Farley via Talk]

And do you think that the world of television, domestic appliances,
automobiles etc. are any different.

The VI community are not immune from change.



Regards, John

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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:30 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: Going Backward in Accessibility?

Yes, it does seem as if those who sell products to earn a living, cannot
resist the temptation to change it, and changing it sometimes is for the
better, but many times, the changes is one or two steps backwards.  

Marketing puts pressure on Development to come up with something NEw NEW
NEW, and so Development does, and Marketing is Happy, but is the end
user always happy?  

Most people that use a computer, are not Computer Geeks.  They use the
computer, to do their jobs, or to do their household duties, Bill paying
etc.  

and when Microsoft, or who ever comes out with their latest offering,
people are forced to re=learn what they had already learned in the
earlier edition of the same software.  

I talk with people all over the country, and I do this on my job.  And
computers is what we talk about.  Time and time again, people have told
me, they do not like Big Big changes.  Changes big enough to require
them to look at the latest edition and wonder where they start, because
the new edition is so different.  

Now it takes three steps to do what once took two, or even one.  

In the case of Screen Readers, now our Readers read even less of the
program than it did before.  

this is what I mean by going backwards.  

I have no solution, as it seems that Change is the best way to gain
new customers but once these customers are familiar with the program,
any major changes are not welcome, unless those changes streamline the
work the program does for the user.  

One Step forward and Two Steps back?  

  this is not Progress, just in case anyone is confused.  

Grumpy Dave


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Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Dave via Talk]

Yes, it does seem as if those who sell products to earn a living, cannot
resist the temptation to change it, and changing it sometimes is for the
better, but many times, the changes is one or two steps backwards.  

Marketing puts pressure on Development to come up with something NEw NEW
NEW, and so Development does, and Marketing is Happy, but is the end
user always happy?  

Most people that use a computer, are not Computer Geeks.  They use the
computer, to do their jobs, or to do their household duties, Bill paying
etc.  

and when Microsoft, or who ever comes out with their latest offering,
people are forced to re=learn what they had already learned in the
earlier edition of the same software.  

I talk with people all over the country, and I do this on my job.  And
computers is what we talk about.  Time and time again, people have told
me, they do not like Big Big changes.  Changes big enough to require
them to look at the latest edition and wonder where they start, because
the new edition is so different.  

Now it takes three steps to do what once took two, or even one.  

In the case of Screen Readers, now our Readers read even less of the
program than it did before.  

this is what I mean by going backwards.  

I have no solution, as it seems that Change is the best way to gain
new customers but once these customers are familiar with the program,
any major changes are not welcome, unless those changes streamline the
work the program does for the user.  

One Step forward and Two Steps back?  

  this is not Progress, just in case anyone is confused.  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: We mouse no longer reads the scrreen in Thunderbird

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Jim,

This is due to changes in TB and there's nothing that can be done.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/12/2017 9:58 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Now I have the latest version of TB but the mouse no longer reads the
screen.  Can this be fixed and if so how?
Regards
Jim
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Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:26 AM
To: 'Neville'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Best version of Thunderbird to use

Please tell me where I can download the latest version?
Jim
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jimk8=frontier@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 7:18 PM
To: Jim Elsner; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Best version of Thunderbird to use

The latest.
Neville.


On 10/01/2017 1:09 AM, Jim Elsner via Talk wrote:

Members
My system win7 home premium and latest we.
What is the best version of Thunderbird to use?  I am using an older
version and starting to have problems.  Please advise.
Jim
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Re: can gw-micro do us a faviour?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Russ:

I am sure that, as always, a representative of GW Micro will make an
announcement when they are ready and not before.
Kevin Huber

On 1/11/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:
> I would be interested in knowing what the status of Window-Eyes is?
>
> The reason I ask, I understand there will be a major update to windows 10 in
>
> April.  Will Window-Eyes work with it?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:03 AM
> To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: can gw-micro do us a faviour?
>
> Thanks very much for that!
>
> Jim!
>
>
> On 10-Jan-17 10:26, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>>  Finally, some words of wisdom on the subject!  These guys aren't
>>
>> going to keep things secret on purpose.  they're not going should we tell
>>
>> them now? nope, lets make them wait a few more weeks...it's not like that.
>>
>> There are legal reasons why no announcement has been made.  Either keep
>> using Window-eyes, or don't. the choice is up to you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/10/2017 8:22 AM, Barbara via Talk wrote:
>>> Just a few thoughts.  Smile.  All of us would like some answers, but we
>>> will
>>> have to wait.  It is not uncommon for either legal or business reasons
>>> that
>>> public announcements get delayed when there is a business
>>> reorganization.
>>>
>>> Your comments about selling shares of stock is not likely to be a good
>>> business choice for a company of this size.  Any size company can become
>>>
>>> a
>>> corporation, but there is a great deal more administration, expenses,
>>> and
>>> taxes for a business when it becomes a corporation.  Also some business
>>> decisions may be made to keep shareholders happy which may also have
>>> effects
>>> which may not be otherwise made.  Since none of us have the information
>>> on
>>> this business, and should not have it, just waiting is all a customer
>>> can
>>> realistically do.  Remember this is a private business and not a
>>> government
>>> agency, public organization,  or a nonprofit organization which have
>>> more
>>> requirements for public disclosure.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Barbara
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+batterseye=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:26 AM
>>> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> ; Reeva Webb 
>>> Subject: can gw-micro do us a faviour?
>>>
>>> Goodmorning all,
>>>
>>> Can for once Gw-Micro do us a faviour and tell us the customers who paid
>>> them lot of money for WE what is the exact current status of Window-eyes
>>>
>>> and
>>> what are the VFO intentions for the future as regarding Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> At least for the money we paid gw-micro in the past years, we the loyal
>>> customers deserve some solid explanation
>>>
>>> Why in the Hell gw-micro does not put shares on the market instead of
>>> selling the vompany to the VFO, which I'm pretty sure nothing good will
>>> comes out!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Micallef
>>> Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
>>> and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment
>>>
>>> Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)
>>>
>>> Email:
>>> Office:
>>> URL:
>>> FB:
>>> michael.mical...@gov.mt
>>> +356 2599 2343
>>> http://www.fitamalta.eu
>>> http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx
>>>
>>> Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this
>>> e-mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, 09 January 2017 18:06
>>> To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely not dead!
>>>
>>> I went to the VFO site and Window Eyes is listed under the AISquared list
>>>
>>> of
>>> brands. I went to AISquared and now Window Eyes is listed there. This is
>>> just what GWMicro said that their sites would eventually be
>>> combined. -
>>> Original Message -
>>>From: Reeva Webb via Talk
>>>To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 11:23 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is surely dead!
>>>
>>>
>>>If he's gone, then that really is death nail. I won't start up on this
>>>
>>> too
>>>bad but once the trade shows start, atia, csun etc. The future will
>>> be
>>>clear.
>>>
>>>"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never
>>> promised
>>>night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of
>>> Jericho
>>>
>>>Reeva
>>>
>>>On Jan 9, 2017 10:13 AM, "Don H via Talk"
>>> 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>I recently Emailed Arron Smith and got no reply so I am unsure he is
>>> still

Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Charles Adkins via Talk]

To be honest with you, I've become so frustrated with working to make email 
programs work I've gone to gmail and Exchange work account on the web using 
desktop, and Iphone email and outlook program on my phone. Yes, I'll say it, I 
haven't been happy with email on computer since the demise of that grand old 
favorite Outlook Express. It worked, could read everything, never seemed to 
change and was very deppendable. Having said that, my grandfather missed his 
old Nash for a long time; things change and life moves on. Its just that 
sometimes it seems that they just can't resist the tempation to break something 
that already works. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave:
> 
> Right now, I use Windows Live Mail.  I used to use it, but I switched
> to Outlook 2013 fora while.  The problem was that I could not send
> messages, I could only read incoming messages, and noone could figure
> out the problem so I used the website of our local provider but it was
> too frustrating to navigate so I went back to WLM.  Even if it will no
> longer be supported, I will still use it, at least for the time being.
> I tried Thunderbird a few years ago, but I found it to be two chatty
> and Their seems to be a lot of complants about it on this list.
> 
> Kevin Huber
> 
>> On 1/12/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
>> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
>> opinion?
>> 
>> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.
>> 
>> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
>> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
>> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
>> retired Eudora.
>> 
>> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
>> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
>> if WLM is quick and simple to use.
>> 
>> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
>> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
>> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
>> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
>> 
>> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
>> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
>> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
>> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.
>> 
>> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
>> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
>> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
>> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
>> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
>> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.
>> 
>> 
>> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
>> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?
>> 
>> Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>> 
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RE: We mouse no longer reads the scrreen in Thunderbird

[Jim via Talk]

Now I have the latest version of TB but the mouse no longer reads the
screen.  Can this be fixed and if so how? 
Regards
Jim
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Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:26 AM
To: 'Neville'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Best version of Thunderbird to use

Please tell me where I can download the latest version? 
Jim
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Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 7:18 PM
To: Jim Elsner; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Best version of Thunderbird to use

The latest.
Neville.


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> Members
> My system win7 home premium and latest we.
> What is the best version of Thunderbird to use?  I am using an older 
> version and starting to have problems.  Please advise.
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Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Dave:

Right now, I use Windows Live Mail.  I used to use it, but I switched
to Outlook 2013 fora while.  The problem was that I could not send
messages, I could only read incoming messages, and noone could figure
out the problem so I used the website of our local provider but it was
too frustrating to navigate so I went back to WLM.  Even if it will no
longer be supported, I will still use it, at least for the time being.
I tried Thunderbird a few years ago, but I found it to be two chatty
and Their seems to be a lot of complants about it on this list.

Kevin Huber

On 1/12/17, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
> opinion?
>
> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.
>
> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
> retired Eudora.
>
> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
> if WLM is quick and simple to use.
>
> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
>
> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago.
> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.
> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.
>
> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.
> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.
>
>
> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?
>
> Thanks for any opinions.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>   
>
> --
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Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

You are right, I talked to Access Solutions and they told me it's no problem 
using the TripleTalk without a battery.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:50 AM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

There shouldn't be any reason why you can't take the battery out of your
tripple talk.  I have a dec-talk express whose battery has been dead for a
long time.  If it got unpluged, it would make this motorboating noise.
Everybody said you had to have a battery in there.  Well, I sent mine to get
worked on, and it no longer has a battery in it, and it works just fine.
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:08 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

The battery in my tripple talk will run the synthesizer for a little
while, but then, after no power from the usb connection for about 4 or
so hours, it begins to make noise! :)
If our power goes off during the night, I get a rude awakening from my
wife, I guarantee!
Tempting to take out the battery because who knows whether or not it may
leak? or corrode? causing other issues.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:31:45 -0800
Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:

The Battery in my TripleTalk usb died a long time back, I had a friend of 
mine take out the battery.  It turns onn and off when I turn on and off 
the computer.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:28 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

because turning it off with a power strip only turns off the battery 
charger.

the battery would stay on until it completely drains.

-Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

Why wouldn't the battery turn off if you turned everything off with the
power strip?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:43 AM
To: net bat ; Window Eyes
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

I also use a power strip to turn off all the equipment but the Double
Talk had a hard wired builtin battery whichneeded to be turned off at
the unit.  This, over time, stuffed it up.

Neville.


On 5/12/2016 4:38 PM, net bat wrote:
> i use  a power strip to turn everything off. i would rather wear out the
> power strip then the power buttons on my equipment
>
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:32 PM
> To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
>
> Hi,
> Over the years, I have used both the external Double Talk and the
> Tripple Talk syns and would never bother with an external unit again.
> These units were of the serial type and both were quite expensive for
> what they were.
>
> The Double talk needed to be turned off with the on off volume switch at
> the end of each session to save the internal battery.  In time, the
> volume control became quite scratchy and eventually I gave it up.
>
> The Tripple Talk went the same way but in a much shorter time frame. In
> comparison, I found the Tripple Talk to be not worth the money.  Maybe
> the later versions have improved.
>
>
> For some time now I have used a Creative usb external sound card costing
> around $60 connected to a pair of speakers with a volume control. If the
> volume ever becomes scratchy, it is an inexpensive solution just to
> replace the speakers. This setup has been working for years without any
> problems.
>
> I mainly use Eloquence as my software syn and find it very responsive.
> The other benefit to using a software syn is that there are many good
> free voices which can be easily obtained.
>
> Currently I have WE and Eloquence running through the external sound
> card and have another  voice setup to run through the internal sound
> card if required. NVDA also is setup to run through the internal
> cardwhich gives me a way of tracing any problems if WE will not talk
> through the external card.
>
> In short, save your money and get an external sound card as mentioned
> above. With the modern fast computers, lack of responsiveness is not a
> big a problem as it once was.
>
> Neville.
>
> On 5/12/2016 2:42 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:
>> Hi I am thinking about maybe getting one of these synthesizers.
>> The triple talk USB or the dectalk USB.
>> Witch is the better one that will give the fastest response time and
>> work the best with window-eyes?
>> now I know it maybe personal choice.
>> But I know A few of you out hear of used either one of both of these
>> units so all comments and suggestions are 

Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Mine did the same thing.  I took out the battery.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

The battery in my tripple talk will run the synthesizer for a little
while, but then, after no power from the usb connection for about 4 or
so hours, it begins to make noise! :)
If our power goes off during the night, I get a rude awakening from my
wife, I guarantee!
Tempting to take out the battery because who knows whether or not it may
leak? or corrode? causing other issues.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:31:45 -0800
Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:

The Battery in my TripleTalk usb died a long time back, I had a friend of 
mine take out the battery.  It turns onn and off when I turn on and off 
the computer.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:28 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

because turning it off with a power strip only turns off the battery 
charger.

the battery would stay on until it completely drains.

-Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

Why wouldn't the battery turn off if you turned everything off with the
power strip?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:43 AM
To: net bat ; Window Eyes
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

I also use a power strip to turn off all the equipment but the Double
Talk had a hard wired builtin battery whichneeded to be turned off at
the unit.  This, over time, stuffed it up.

Neville.


On 5/12/2016 4:38 PM, net bat wrote:
> i use  a power strip to turn everything off. i would rather wear out the
> power strip then the power buttons on my equipment
>
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:32 PM
> To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
>
> Hi,
> Over the years, I have used both the external Double Talk and the
> Tripple Talk syns and would never bother with an external unit again.
> These units were of the serial type and both were quite expensive for
> what they were.
>
> The Double talk needed to be turned off with the on off volume switch at
> the end of each session to save the internal battery.  In time, the
> volume control became quite scratchy and eventually I gave it up.
>
> The Tripple Talk went the same way but in a much shorter time frame. In
> comparison, I found the Tripple Talk to be not worth the money.  Maybe
> the later versions have improved.
>
>
> For some time now I have used a Creative usb external sound card costing
> around $60 connected to a pair of speakers with a volume control. If the
> volume ever becomes scratchy, it is an inexpensive solution just to
> replace the speakers. This setup has been working for years without any
> problems.
>
> I mainly use Eloquence as my software syn and find it very responsive.
> The other benefit to using a software syn is that there are many good
> free voices which can be easily obtained.
>
> Currently I have WE and Eloquence running through the external sound
> card and have another  voice setup to run through the internal sound
> card if required. NVDA also is setup to run through the internal
> cardwhich gives me a way of tracing any problems if WE will not talk
> through the external card.
>
> In short, save your money and get an external sound card as mentioned
> above. With the modern fast computers, lack of responsiveness is not a
> big a problem as it once was.
>
> Neville.
>
> On 5/12/2016 2:42 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:
>> Hi I am thinking about maybe getting one of these synthesizers.
>> The triple talk USB or the dectalk USB.
>> Witch is the better one that will give the fastest response time and
>> work the best with window-eyes?
>> now I know it maybe personal choice.
>> But I know A few of you out hear of used either one of both of these
>> units so all comments and suggestions are welcome.
>> And if you like one over the other please tell us why that is.
>>
>>
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Email programs, Your Choice?

[Dave via Talk]

Hello,

For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
opinion?  

I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.  

I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
retired Eudora.  

Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
if WLM is quick and simple to use.  

The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.

And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago. 
Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.   
I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.  

However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.  
Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.  


And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?  

Thanks for any opinions.  

Grumpy Dave


-- 
Dave 

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Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I've taken braille lites to Batteries plus, also.  But my point is, if you 
never use it on battery, you don't even need to have one in the trippletalk 
or dec-talk.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: ratshtron via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:26 PM
To: Curtis Delzer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

hmmm, take it to batteries plus and have them replace it for you with
a new one. i have a braille lite that i have done this too several
times in order to keep using the device. i now have to look for a
replacement backup lithium battery and holder so i can replace this
battery easier.


Legend has it that on Wednesday 1/11/2017 01:08 PM, Curtis Delzer via
Talk said:


The battery in my tripple talk will run the synthesizer for a little
while, but then, after no power from the usb connection for about 4 or
so hours, it begins to make noise! :)
If our power goes off during the night, I get a rude awakening from my
wife, I guarantee!
Tempting to take out the battery because who knows whether or not it may
leak? or corrode? causing other issues.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:31:45 -0800
Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:

> The Battery in my TripleTalk usb died a long time back, I had a
friend of mine take out the battery.  It turns onn and off when I turn on 
and off the computer.

>
> -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:28 AM
> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
>
> because turning it off with a power strip only turns off the
battery charger.
> the battery would stay on until it completely drains.
>
> -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:36 AM
> To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
>
> Why wouldn't the battery turn off if you turned everything off with the
> power strip?  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:43 AM
> To: net bat ; Window Eyes
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
>
> I also use a power strip to turn off all the equipment but the Double
> Talk had a hard wired builtin battery whichneeded to be turned off at
> the unit.  This, over time, stuffed it up.
>
> Neville.
>
>
> On 5/12/2016 4:38 PM, net bat wrote:
> > i use  a power strip to turn everything off. i would rather wear out 
> > the

> > power strip then the power buttons on my equipment
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:32 PM
> > To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
> >
> > Hi,
> > Over the years, I have used both the external Double Talk and the
> > Tripple Talk syns and would never bother with an external unit again.
> > These units were of the serial type and both were quite expensive for
> > what they were.
> >
> > The Double talk needed to be turned off with the on off volume switch 
> > at

> > the end of each session to save the internal battery.  In time, the
> > volume control became quite scratchy and eventually I gave it up.
> >
> > The Tripple Talk went the same way but in a much shorter time frame. 
> > In

> > comparison, I found the Tripple Talk to be not worth the money.  Maybe
> > the later versions have improved.
> >
> >
> > For some time now I have used a Creative usb external sound card 
> > costing
> > around $60 connected to a pair of speakers with a volume control. If 
> > the

> > volume ever becomes scratchy, it is an inexpensive solution just to
> > replace the speakers. This setup has been working for years without 
> > any

> > problems.
> >
> > I mainly use Eloquence as my software syn and find it very responsive.
> > The other benefit to using a software syn is that there are many good
> > free voices which can be easily obtained.
> >
> > Currently I have WE and Eloquence running through the external sound
> > card and have another  voice setup to run through the internal sound
> > card if required. NVDA also is setup to run through the internal
> > cardwhich gives me a way of tracing any problems if WE will not talk
> > through the external card.
> >
> > In short, save your money and get an external sound card as mentioned
> > above. With the modern fast computers, lack of responsiveness is not a
> > big a problem as it once was.
> >
> > Neville.
> >
> > On 5/12/2016 2:42 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:
> >> Hi I am thinking about maybe getting one of these synthesizers.
> >> The triple talk USB or the dectalk USB.
> >> Witch is the better one that will give the fastest response time and
> >> work the best with window-eyes?
> >> now I know it maybe personal choice.
> >> But I know A few of you out hear of used either