window-eyes, logon screen screen.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

In windows ten which I run, window-eyes has it seems 2 "default" 
configurations, (1) at logon default? and (2) another default at the 
windows after logon.


I wish Window-Eyes to load my triple talk synth at the logon screen, and 
maybe eloquence after logon.


How to set that up?


Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
 Rialto, CA
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On 9/6/2020 3:35 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

I am running Window-Eyes with build 2004 on both Windows 10 Home and Pro with 
no problems.
At one time, there were a number .of apps which cause errors and prevented 
Window-Eyes from even starting.
You can get Window-Eyes to start without apps running by starting Window-Eyes 
and then immediately holding down the Shift key and holding it down until it 
starts.
In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, there is an option called 
App Management.
If you then open App Management using right arrow, the first option is called 
App Status.
You can then press right arrow again and then one of three options wil always 
be checked, On, Off, or Manual.
Indeed, holding down the Shift key when you start Window-Eyes sets Apps to 
Manual.
Normally, it will be set to On, and once you disable whatever apps you think 
may be causing problems, you would set it to On.
A while back, the following apps caused me problems until I disabled them, 
although they don't seem to be doing so now.
Anyway, you could disable all of these, and Window-Eyes will work fine.
Eloquence Fix
Hotspot
JAWS quick key
WEDiag
Windows Enhanced

You would then just set your app status back to On and you should be good to go.
You should also probably shut down and then restart Window-Eyes.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom via Talk
Sent: September 4, 2020 2:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom 
Subject: Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Rod,

Are you using Windows 10 Pro? In fact, for everybody who have WE 10 working 
with WE 9.5.4 wonder which version of Windows you are using.

I am using Windows 10 pro and could that be the difference?

Window-Eyef won't even load for me in 10, it displays four or five balloons it 
immediately shuts down. I don't even have a chance to turn off apps.

The tech who installed 9.5.4 for me was kind of baffled although he did do some 
kind work around but when he left the work around stopped going around, ha.

Tom

** Your Message **
  >Hi Tom,
  >
  >At one time, there were a few apps which needed to be either disabled or 
uninstalled in order for Window-Eyes to work in Windows 10.
  >On my current system, which runs the latest version of Windows 10, this is 
no longer true.
  >Without exception, every default Window-Eyes app is running here.
  >A few months back, someone had written to this list with the news that they 
had even gotten an app update from the Window-Eyes server.
  >No doubt, this was because they had an outdated app, but I recall being very 
surprised to hear that app updates where available from the old Window-Eyes server.
  >I know for certain that there was a time when the Window-Eyes app update 
server was not active.
  >My guess is that there is some guardian angel or angels keeping Window-Eyes 
working for the many people throughout the world who need it.
  >I am one of those who need it.

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Re: W E and Thunderbird

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

you may re-load t-bird so WE can get a focus, I've had some success that 
way.


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On 7/18/2021 1:17 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as 
Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I 
should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of 
Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840.


I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, but 
I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new laptop.


It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern in 
addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using Jaws 
2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work fine, but 
when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and all links, 
absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E and 
attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said something 
like "document to saved files" or something similar. The intermittent 
problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. When I checked in 
Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of course that wave file of 
the birds loaded as well.


Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated 
previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out what 
little hair I have left.


A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with 
recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this 
instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue.
At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other viable 
email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 is in my 
opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the reading pain, 
but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws with mail, I can 
read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the sender's name 
unless I have misconfigured it.



Ideas please.

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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Re: Is Anyone Around?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I am too, glad to be.

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On 5/14/2021 7:28 AM, Carol Smith via Talk wrote:

Yepp, I'm still here.

Carol

On 5/14/2021 7:02 AM, bjcolt via Talk wrote:

Hi John,

Yes, still on the list with a few more. The list 8is still live.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
 On Behalf 
Of john schwery via Talk

Sent: 14 May 2021 11:03
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: Re: Is Anyone Around?

Still lurking.

At 04:52 AM 5/13/2021, Peter Chin via Talk, wrote:

I haven’t received any mail from th list for some tim so was just
wondering if it is still active.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

try hitting f5 to refresh the screen or go into window-eyes control 
panel to refresh the synthesizer, that works sometimes when text disappears.


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On 2/25/2021 3:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

That is a new one on me, also!  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:12 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Nick,

I have no idea. I've never seen a chunk of text vanish from the middle of a
message.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:23 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Why or how did  it disappear when I hit reply? I don't remember whether
I hit reply, or reply all.

On 2/23/2021 9:15 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the
middle of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line 
lecture

for a signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It
makes it very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim
over it. And it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.


Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention,

however, you should consider the practical implications. An old friend of
mine started doing this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for
about the last twenty years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to
stop, he stubbornly refused, leaving them no choice but to ban him from the
list. And those moderators had absolutely no problem with reasonable
contextual expressions of faith.


Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk 

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: Toggling Speech In Window-Eyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I believe you can assign a hot key to do it.

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On 3/28/2020 4:46 AM, Georges Zeinoun via Talk wrote:
Is there a way to accomplish this task with a hotkey without entering 
Window-Eyes control panel?



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Re: activating combo boxes in Window-eyes and Jaws

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

you got that right, a more than pita, for sure.

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On 3/28/2020 1:35 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:
ot sure but I beleve in Thunderbird, I had to use enter, alt down 
arrow and then cursor right and then down.



Mike.N

On 28/03/2020 04:48, net bat2 via Talk wrote:
try enter to turn brows mode off then use alt down arrow to open the 
combo box.
this is the extended down arrow. i don't know about the arrows on the 
number pad. i seldom use it.

i don't know if this applies to both the desktop and laptop layout.

-Original Message- From: Donald Roberts via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 8:39 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Donald Roberts
Subject: activating combo boxes in Window-eyes and Jaws

Because my primary computer crashed, I am setting things up on my
backup Windows 10 desktop.  I still use Window-eyes 9.5.4.0 whenever
it works; and when it doesn't, I try with Jaws 18.

At any rate, I do hope that someone on this list remembers how to
activate combo boxes both in Window-eyes and in Jaws. Specifically, I
am setting up message filters in Thunderbird.  Things go well until I
get to the point where I must choose a subfolder into which messages
should be filtered.  Both W E and Jaws report this as a combo box.
Frankly, I haven't done this for so long that I need to ask for your
assistance.  Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts
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Re: A Question Or Two

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

matters not which you download, but be assured that windows ten is a lot 
easier than people believe it is.


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On 2/27/2020 10:55 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
It's interesting how experiences vary. I found 8.1 & WE to work well 
together. Do you think I should download Jaws before or after I 
download Windows 10?


On 2/28/2020 1:25 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
window-eyes actually worked and works better with windows ten than it 
ever did with 8.1


for 8.1 didn't have any start menu.

Curtis Delzer
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On 2/27/2020 6:42 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
So I'm still procrastinating. I'm currently using the latest 
Window--eyes and the that precedes Windows 10 (maybe it's Windows 
8.4?). If I knew for certain that WE is reasonably compatible with 
Windows 10 but my concern is that WE won't work at all. I guess my 
question is, is it more difficult to learn Jaws or Windows 10? 
Should I download Jaws before worrying about Windows 10? I really 
don't do much more than surfing and e-mailing, and the occasional 
ordering of food and miscellaneous products. Also, is it possible 
for the Michrosoft Disabilities desk to install Windows 10 using 
remote assist, and if so, would you recommend it?


If you would prefer e-mailing me privately, feel free.

nicksara...@msn.com

Thanks in advance.

Nick Sarames
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Re: A Question Or Two

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

window-eyes actually worked and works better with windows ten than it 
ever did with 8.1


for 8.1 didn't have any start menu.

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On 2/27/2020 6:42 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
So I'm still procrastinating. I'm currently using the latest 
Window--eyes and the that precedes Windows 10 (maybe it's Windows 
8.4?). If I knew for certain that WE is reasonably compatible with 
Windows 10 but my concern is that WE won't work at all. I guess my 
question is, is it more difficult to learn Jaws or Windows 10? Should 
I download Jaws before worrying about Windows 10? I really don't do 
much more than surfing and e-mailing, and the occasional ordering of 
food and miscellaneous products. Also, is it possible for the 
Michrosoft Disabilities desk to install Windows 10 using remote 
assist, and if so, would you recommend it?


If you would prefer e-mailing me privately, feel free.

nicksara...@msn.com

Thanks in advance.

Nick Sarames
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Re: Internet Browsers

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I believe you can ignore that message. I used Becky! mail exclusively 
for a long time, and though it has quirks in displaying certain message 
content, try using your context key while inside a link to bring up your 
browser or even shift f10 and it should launch Edge.


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On 2/24/2020 7:59 AM, Martha via Talk wrote:

I just had wonderful help from Microsoft Disability support to update my
Windows 10 OS to build 1909. The support person, Grace, also installed
the latest release of Edge which she referred to as "Edge Cromium". I
haven't played with it yet.

Here is my dilemma. I use BECKY! as my email client. According to the
Help info, BECKY! 2.74.x needs an IE5 or better  component to handle
HTML.

A private tech support person said that the IE5 was different from
Internet Explorer, but, I'm not confident that this is true. While I
have the IE5 box checked, I still get "If your browser isn't displaying
this HTML message, you need to upgrade...".

Any other BECKY! users out there with any info to share?

I've been reluctant to use MS Office because I find the ribbons just too
confusing. Maybe things have gotten better from a useability standpoint
since the last time I checked???

Martha

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Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Well, jfw, for many years has issues with it's keyboard driver where 
either the control or alt key gets stuck down, and then becomes a 
combined keystroke for subsequent keys. The only way to fix it is to tap 
on the "so-called) "stuck down" key many times and hopefully it'll 
release. This behavior goes way back in time to JFW 5.0, or at least the 
first JFW which supported windows XP or maybe even earlier.


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On 1/7/2020 7:15 AM, David via Talk wrote:

That's right. And just to clarify any misunderstandings. In my initial
message I was not sure exactly what term to use for the behavior I
described. Probably I chose a less clear term, since it was
misinterpretted to mean the feature of Windows, named sticky keys. That
one, is a "wanted" feature, something you deliberately will have the
chance of turning on. And something that you will activate by either
holding down the right shift for a few seconds, or pressing it
repeatedly three times within a limited period of time.


What I was describing, is when things get stuck without you wanting,
initiating or intending it to. Another thing is that the Sticky Key
function in Windows, will only work for one keystroke at a time. When
you turn it on, you will have to press say the shift-key, then a
character, to have that one capitalized. Next time you want a
capitalized character, you first have to touch the shift-key. You have
to repeat that procedure for every keystroke you want with any modifying
key.


Again, the issue I was talking about, is when you do press no
key-modifier, and still they stick or hang. Meaning that every key you
press, will be interpretted as if you had pressed it along with a
key-modifier. May it happen, that a better term for that is

      Hanging Keys.


Sorry for whatever misunderstanding I caused.


David

On 1/7/2020 3:39 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in
settings you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
- Original Message - From: "madl--- via Talk"

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes



Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible
that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one
of the
tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea?
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE
or JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to
create this
issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf
Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I
thought this
will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS.
For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop. That
fixs
the problem for a  while .

Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when
you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with
one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can
hit the
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes
along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck,
when I
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the
issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in
the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I
need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have
ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 

Re: email

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

two email programs that come to mind for windows ten, (1) is free, 
Thunderbird from Mozilla, and the other is Becky! mail from Japan which 
is truly quite accessible.



Curtis Delzer
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K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

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On 11/7/2019 5:12 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little of 
anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail program 
that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


joseph hudson

Technology support for the blind or better known as Mack, IOS and Windows 
support

FaceTime, iMessage, and email

jhud7...@twc.com

Telephone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency cell

254-813-2461

Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404


On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  wrote:

Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 10, it 
is useable but just barely. Lol Tony

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

twas, thanks! :)

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On 10/10/2019 3:33 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Just a note. To permanently delete a file or files instead of sending 
them to the recycle bin, press Shift+Delete, not Control+Delete. I'm 
sure it was just a typo related to using the control key to select 
multiple files.

Regards,
Tom


On 10/10/2019 12:51 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
you probably have lots of answers by now, though since this is what I 
do, I'll outline it for you.


Find the first file you wish to delete, hold down the control key, go 
to the next file you wish to delete, press space bar, go to the next 
file you wish to delete, tap the space bar, (remember during all this 
the control key is held down), and so forth until you have hit space 
bar on all the files you wish to remove.


Now, after letting up on control, hit delete.

If you wish to truly delete all those files and don't wish them in 
recycle bin, hit control delete.


You should get a prompt which is a wee bit different than "moving to 
recycle bin." :)


Hope this helps, though late. Was on a cruise and still catching up 
on mail.




Curtis Delzer
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K 6 V F O
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On 9/28/2019 6:29 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Running Win7.


Listers,

I have tried figuring this out, but seem to be blank-minded today.
Anyone has some experience, please let me know.


I have a folder, holding numerous files. I open it in Windows Explorer,
and arrow my way down through the list of files.


It occurs, that I need to delete several of the files. Fine, if they 
had

been right next to each other, I would have used the Shift-Arrow
combinations - selecting the files to be deleted, and then press 
Del-key.



Thing is, the files are spread out  all over the list. I need to delete
say file number 1, 4 and 6. So exactly

how

do I go about that one. I searched the net, and it said to use the
CTRL-key, along with the mouse. If I hold the CTRL along with the Slash
or Star on the numeric keypad, simulating the Left or Right clicks on
the mouse, I only hear

"Slash"

and

"Star"

spoken, and nothing else happens.


It further claimed you alternatively should use CTRL-Space, and it 
would

select the file currently focused. Thing is, I tried that one too, and
it still does not work. So what is the clue?


How does one select multiple files, in Windows Explorer, with the 
use of

WinEyes.


To make it more complicated for you, I did try yet another approach. I
used the Insert-Del combination on the numeric keypad. It gave me the
chance to

      MARK

but when I did choose to let it do so, on each of the files in 
question,
and then pressed Del to delete - Only the currently focused file 
will be
deleted. In other words, none of the other files I thought I had 
marked,

did actually receive any marking.


Hope all of this makes any sense. By The Way, is this kind of operation
more accessible in either of the other Screen Readers, NVDA or Jaws. If
so, what's the procedure, please?


Thanks all,



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Re: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

you probably have lots of answers by now, though since this is what I 
do, I'll outline it for you.


Find the first file you wish to delete, hold down the control key, go to 
the next file you wish to delete, press space bar, go to the next file 
you wish to delete, tap the space bar, (remember during all this the 
control key is held down), and so forth until you have hit space bar on 
all the files you wish to remove.


Now, after letting up on control, hit delete.

If you wish to truly delete all those files and don't wish them in 
recycle bin, hit control delete.


You should get a prompt which is a wee bit different than "moving to 
recycle bin." :)


Hope this helps, though late. Was on a cruise and still catching up on mail.



Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

*still use window-eyes and glad I do *
cur...@calweb.com

On 9/28/2019 6:29 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Running Win7.


Listers,

I have tried figuring this out, but seem to be blank-minded today.
Anyone has some experience, please let me know.


I have a folder, holding numerous files. I open it in Windows Explorer,
and arrow my way down through the list of files.


It occurs, that I need to delete several of the files. Fine, if they had
been right next to each other, I would have used the Shift-Arrow
combinations - selecting the files to be deleted, and then press Del-key.


Thing is, the files are spread out  all over the list. I need to delete
say file number 1, 4 and 6. So exactly

how

do I go about that one. I searched the net, and it said to use the
CTRL-key, along with the mouse. If I hold the CTRL along with the Slash
or Star on the numeric keypad, simulating the Left or Right clicks on
the mouse, I only hear

"Slash"

and

"Star"

spoken, and nothing else happens.


It further claimed you alternatively should use CTRL-Space, and it would
select the file currently focused. Thing is, I tried that one too, and
it still does not work. So what is the clue?


How does one select multiple files, in Windows Explorer, with the use of
WinEyes.


To make it more complicated for you, I did try yet another approach. I
used the Insert-Del combination on the numeric keypad. It gave me the
chance to

      MARK

but when I did choose to let it do so, on each of the files in question,
and then pressed Del to delete - Only the currently focused file will be
deleted. In other words, none of the other files I thought I had marked,
did actually receive any marking.


Hope all of this makes any sense. By The Way, is this kind of operation
more accessible in either of the other Screen Readers, NVDA or Jaws. If
so, what's the procedure, please?


Thanks all,



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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I use window-eyes also, and in situations I need certain things, 
window-eyes comes through like a champion.


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On 8/29/2019 12:01 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
your on the window eyes list. but there are probibly very few window 
eyes users on it anymore.
i still use window eyes most of the time and i will continue to use it 
as long as possible. it is easier to use then jaws will ever be.

***
the jaws list was started up again with another moderator last week.
maybe you can email the owners to get the info to subscribe.
jfw-users+ow...@groups.io
this one is from freedom scientific blog.
mailto:main+ow...@jfw.groups.io


-Original Message- From: joan buzza via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:37 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: joan buzza
Subject: Is there another jaws email list?

Since the "official" jaws email list is now dead, is there another 
list?  I

find these lists extremely informative.



I mus add that three days ago, I went to this window eyes list and 
changed
from digest to individual messages.  I have not received any messages 
since,

so I am wondering if I messed up.



joan

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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

sure there is, on this group.

jfw-users+subscr...@groups.io

set up recently. Curtis Delzer
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On 8/29/2019 8:37 AM, joan buzza via Talk wrote:

Since the "official" jaws email list is now dead, is there another list?  I
find these lists extremely informative.

  


I mus add that three days ago, I went to this window eyes list and changed
from digest to individual messages.  I have not received any messages since,
so I am wondering if I messed up.

  


joan

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Re: Error Reporting

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I just checked the box which said don't display these errors in future, 
and have not a problem since.


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On 7/17/2019 5:07 AM, Natalie via Talk wrote:
I get the same error report every time I boot up but just close it. 
It's not your system.



Natalie

On 7/16/2019 10:53 PM, David via Talk wrote:

Interesting.


Two days ago, my Window-Eyes had a crash, and I had to do a cold-boot of
the system. After that, the error report message comes up every time I
start Window-eyes. I thought it was only my system, and had in mind to
ask the list if there is a way to get rid of the whole thing. Been
searching through the menus, hoping for a way to turn error reporting
off, but did see nothing.


and here, you are several others, who experience the report message
popping up on you. Well, at least it seems it might not be my system.
Smiles.


May I ask if you guys have had some of the apps crash on you as well?
See on my system, a couple of apps seem to crash every time I load
WinEyes. This has been going on for a couple of weeks, so a bit longer
than the Error Report issue, but just wonder if there is some kind of
connection. Basically, I do not need the apps, so might have to simply
just turn them off, and perhaps you are not running them, hence they
would not crash on you. Still just wanted to know. The apps in question
is the Uninstall App, developed by Bruce; and also the app that let us
change profile with a hotkey, its name being some foreign language, but
it something like Profilu. Sorry, I don't have it in front of me right
now, that's why memory has to serve.


For your info, I have scanned my computer with AntiVirus, Anti-Malware
programs, and even ran a Registry cleanup with CCleaner. Once I had the
WEDiag app installed yesterday, I let it rebuild the Accessibility
Libraries, being one of the features it offered. I had hope that any of
this took care of the Error Report, but it doesn't seem to have any
positive effect.


I did try to hit Send, next time I simply just closed the Error Report
Message. The rest of the times it's been on my screen, I pressed the
Delete button of the dialog, hoping it would remove the thing from my
computer. But it sure seems it generates new reports every startup.
Happens even if you close WinEyes with Ctrl-Insert-F4, and then restart
the screen reader - a new Error Report comes up.


Probably you are right, it might have to do with late updates of the
general system. By the way, Yes, I do run Win7Pro 64Bit. Not sure if
that is the only kind of systems affected. Who knows, maybe this is the
signal that WinEyes is giving its last breath. Win7 support is obviously
going to be discontinued in 6 months from now, so could it be something
there?


David

On 7/17/2019 2:57 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

Same here with the same OS. I'll guess it is related to the Windows
updates that were pushed out last week, but I have no idea what it is.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Tom via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:21 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: Error Reporting

Using Windows 7 64 bit and Window-Eyes 9.5.4.
I have Window-Eyes set to load after login.
For the past few days after Window-Eyes loads I get the error
reporting message. I've been deleting it and Window-Eyes
seems to run normally, but what might be causing the error
reporting message to come up?

Thank you,

Tom

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Re: NVDA add-on for Sound Forge 13.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

am I interested, now this is great since I did also buy SF13.

have a blessed day!


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On 6/22/2019 6:40 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Just in case anyone is interested, Curtis, I managed to survive the 
nightmare of scripting NVDA enough to write this add-on. And now there 
is an alternative to the shark when the dreaded day comes that 
Window-Eyes no longer works.
Simply download the zip file, unzip it, and read the ReadMe.txt file 
to learn how to install it manually because I haven't had the energy 
to figure out the installer creation process yet.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/j19fby5i9p9tn3m/forge130.zip?dl=1

And just in case you're interested, Rod:
h(ttps://w)ww.dropbox.com/s/j19fby5i9p9tn3m/forge130.zip?dl=1

Regards,
Tom
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Re: video editing software

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

lots of "accessible" programs, E.G. studio recorder, gold wave, sound 
forge, audacity. :)


Curtis Delzer
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On 6/11/2019 11:53 AM, bjcolt via Talk wrote:

Hi Darel,

I use a multi track recording program called Reaper. While I am fairly new
at using this program. I am more familiar with the audio side rather than
the video side of the program.

Howevver from what I do know both audio and video can be edited using
Reaper. The program is free for 30 days and then one can pay a contribution
to the guys who have and continue to enhance the program.

I don't know of any other accessible programs.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+bjcolt=blueyonder.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: 11 June 2019 17:40
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: video editing software

Hello,
It has been a while since I have posted here.
However, I saw a comment regarding one of my videos that I posted on
youtube, saying that I need to learn how to edit my videos.
Is there any accessible software that can help with this?
Thanks,
Darrell

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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

list still up. we working fine here also.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/14/2019 10:33 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 
1809 and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 
works well with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I 
get an error when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the 
restart app choice, no error message is received. Does anyone know 
what is happening here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Help MLB.com

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I use google chrome or the developers version chrome for microsoft edge.

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On 4/14/2019 4:36 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Another question, what operating system and what browser?  Won't run 
with explorer under seven.  I use firefox and n v d a, latest one.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Once you select a game, you'll be prompted for a name and password. 
There is a check box that says remember me, but mine never does.

73
Butch
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Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

 I have paid my $19.99 to mlb.com to renew for this season. I have a 
new

 password. Cannot find where to log in. Help!

 Bob
 r...@ringwald.com
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Re: MLB.COM

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I sent someone a link for mlb.



Here it is again.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mpa/index.jsp

Curtis Delzer
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On 4/9/2019 1:07 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Someone sent me a link to try on MLB. I can’t open the email. Please send it 
again.

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Re: Question ABout mlb.com

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

try this:

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mpa/index.jsp

you'll find the log in and put it in, making sure you have your login correct.  
Curtis Delzer
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W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 4/8/2019 8:25 AM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Running Windows 10
Latest Window-Eyes
or latest Jaws
IE

I have a heck of a time finding the place to log in.

Always before, for several years, I didn't have to log in.

I'd bring up mlb.com. Then I'd put in a URL that someone gave me. I 
have a

new hard drive and can't find that URL.

-Bob


-Original Message- From: john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 3:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: john schwery
Subject: Re: Question ABout mlb.com

Robert, what browser and OS are you using?  I'm
running Win 7, Chrome and WE 9.  I can access the games fine.

At 03:04 PM 4/6/2019, Robert Ringwald via Talk, wrote:

I can’t find the games to listen to. What a confusing site.
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Re: Sound Forge Pro 12 app.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

wowie! do I appreciate this! I knew I didn't spend the money for SF in 
vain. it seems to work a little faster than 11, though 11 for me became 
inoperative after the Magix company took it over, unfortunately.


THANK YOU TOM, (all caps)

Curtis Delzer
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W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 4/7/2019 7:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
This is basically a modification of my app for Sound forge 11. But 
it's smoother sailing keeping them separate rather than trying to have 
one app cover both.


One big change in Sound Forge 12 (other than being 64 bit) is an 
option to expose parameters within VST effects that were previously 
inaccessible. Other than the new Wave Hammer 2.0 these are typically 
third party plug-ins. Here's how to activate this option.

Alt-O Options, P Preferences, VST Effects Tab.
Check the check box for Generic VST editor and apply the setting.
Within a plug-in window, select a parameter and tab once. "Fader 
custom control" should be spoken.
Arrows often do nothing, unless the parameter has small increments. If 
they don't then use Page up and down, Home and End, to change the 
parameter.

Then Shift-Tab back up to the list to read the value change.

You can read the help that includes the features of the app as well as 
a list of changes to Sound Forge I recommend either through the App 
menu or simply by pressing Control-Shift-Question mark while within 
the main Sound forge window.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/u39utwfpkcnum2q/forge120.wepm?dl=1

Enjoy,
Tom

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Re: Here's an app for the Chrome browser.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

thanks, v11 stopped working for me, became "Magix" and stopped working, 
and could not install or register the old Sony software v11 pro.


Curtis Delzer
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W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/31/2019 6:32 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hey Curtis,
I hope the Chrome app is helpful.
As for Sound forge 12? I have, but it's not ready for prime time. I'll 
let you know when it is.

Regards,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 5:05 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
Tom, thank you for this sett! this will be truly amazingly helpful 
for WE.


Have you happened to update your SF set to version 12?


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/29/2019 8:14 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
First, make sure you have the factory settings for Chrome installed. 
You can see if they're installed and install them if not by opening 
the Window-Eyes control panel, Alt+F File, F factory Settings.
Then when you install the app it will tell you that chrome.set is 
being replaced. This is needed to make the app work properly.


Here's what the app does.
1. Speaks alert messages, such as download progress and completion.
When a file is downloaded the message from Chrome is to press 
Shift+F6 to go to the download bar.
2. I added Alt+N because it's quicker and the key combination used 
in Internet Explorer to go to the notification bar for the same 
purpose. All it's doing is inserting Shift+F6. And it's not tied to 
the notification. So if you happen to press it without a file 
downloaded it will just put you up in the address bar. F6 will put 
you back in the main window.
3. Suggestions entered in the address bar as you type will be 
spoken. For example, if you type yo, YouTube.com will probably be 
voiced. These are just pulled out of your history. When you hear the 
right address just press enter.
Unfortunately because you come in on the address bar when Chrome 
opens, and it doubles as a Google search field, you'll hear 
everything you type repeated as you type it if there are no 
suggestions. Obviously there's no way I can tell what you're typing 
or if it's in your history.
Also, the suggestions might not be heard when you first open Chrome. 
The reason I replaced the set file is so that I could set keyboard 
interrupt to program scope. Then I set it to control and alt only 
when you're in the address bar and back to whatever you had it set 
to when you're not in the address bar. The problem is I have to 
monitor for the chrome.set file to be loaded before grabbing it. And 
the stars might not line up in time if you open chrome and start 
typing immediately. Although you'll probably hear a little snippet 
of the suggestion. Then you can use the read line hot key to see 
what's there.


And finally, I didn't put error reporting in the app because it uses 
the GW-Micro App Central server. So if you have any problems you can 
email me at

tom.kings...@charter.net
You can also open the Window-Eyes control panel, Alt+A Apps, App 
management, App manager, select the app, press Alt+H to open Help 
and Options, then press the About button. There's a Contact author 
button in there. And of course you can post any problems here.

Hope this is helpful.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1


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Re: Here's an app for the Chrome browser.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Tom, thank you for this sett! this will be truly amazingly helpful for WE.

Have you happened to update your SF set to version 12?


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/29/2019 8:14 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
First, make sure you have the factory settings for Chrome installed. 
You can see if they're installed and install them if not by opening 
the Window-Eyes control panel, Alt+F File, F factory Settings.
Then when you install the app it will tell you that chrome.set is 
being replaced. This is needed to make the app work properly.


Here's what the app does.
1. Speaks alert messages, such as download progress and completion.
When a file is downloaded the message from Chrome is to press Shift+F6 
to go to the download bar.
2. I added Alt+N because it's quicker and the key combination used in 
Internet Explorer to go to the notification bar for the same purpose. 
All it's doing is inserting Shift+F6. And it's not tied to the 
notification. So if you happen to press it without a file downloaded 
it will just put you up in the address bar. F6 will put you back in 
the main window.
3. Suggestions entered in the address bar as you type will be spoken. 
For example, if you type yo, YouTube.com will probably be voiced. 
These are just pulled out of your history. When you hear the right 
address just press enter.
Unfortunately because you come in on the address bar when Chrome 
opens, and it doubles as a Google search field, you'll hear everything 
you type repeated as you type it if there are no suggestions. 
Obviously there's no way I can tell what you're typing or if it's in 
your history.
Also, the suggestions might not be heard when you first open Chrome. 
The reason I replaced the set file is so that I could set keyboard 
interrupt to program scope. Then I set it to control and alt only when 
you're in the address bar and back to whatever you had it set to when 
you're not in the address bar. The problem is I have to monitor for 
the chrome.set file to be loaded before grabbing it. And the stars 
might not line up in time if you open chrome and start typing 
immediately. Although you'll probably hear a little snippet of the 
suggestion. Then you can use the read line hot key to see what's there.


And finally, I didn't put error reporting in the app because it uses 
the GW-Micro App Central server. So if you have any problems you can 
email me at

tom.kings...@charter.net
You can also open the Window-Eyes control panel, Alt+A Apps, App 
management, App manager, select the app, press Alt+H to open Help and 
Options, then press the About button. There's a Contact author button 
in there. And of course you can post any problems here.

Hope this is helpful.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2co234uo3duwjo/chrome.wepm?dl=1


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Re: becky email

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

re-boot? unload becky, re-load?  re-index the folder . . .
-
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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

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Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

There could be a parent window not maximized before you do the child window. 

Curtis Delzer 
H.S.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA
_
SENT! From Curt’s iPhone!

On Nov 28, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
 wrote:

Another keystroke to maximize is Windows up arrow.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:11 AM
To: Michael via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: Problem With WE & Thunderbird

Of course, after I pressed alt-space, I arrowed down to maximize, and it said 
maximize disabled. But I hit enter anyway, we'll see.

> On 11/28/2018 4:46 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
> make sure the window is maxamized.
> 
>> On 28/11/18 8:41 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks, so what am I doing wrong? I can't read the e-mail I am 
>> composing, at least not when I use arrow keys.
>> 
>>> On 11/28/2018 4:36 AM, Michael via Talk wrote:
>>> not a problem.
>>> 
>>> cheers Micael.I WAS ABLE TO TYPE AND EMAIL IN THUNDER BIRD WITH We
>>> 
 On 28/11/18 7:36 pm, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
 But I am still having difficulty reading my e-mail while composing it.
 
> On 11/28/2018 3:34 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> Just as an adendum, I restarted my computer, and that has helped 
> with many of my issues.
> 
>> On 11/28/2018 3:24 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Hello:
>> 
>> I don't want to clutter this list (too much), so if someone who 
>> is knowledgeable about Thunderbird, can e-mail me off list, I 
>> would appreciate that. I just gave permission for Thunderbird to 
>> give me updates. As a result, WE is less compatible.
>> 
>> And as I write this, I can't use the arrow keys to check what I 
>> wrote.
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Re: Chromium

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Have you tried control-w on that window?

SENT! FROM CURT'S IPhone

On Nov 23, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Donald Roberts via Talk 
 wrote:

Hello, Please do not be confused by the subject line. I am not talking about 
Google Chrome.

My screen reader is Window-eyes 9.5.4, running on a Dell desktop running 
Windows 10, 1803. 

When my machine boots, after I enter my Windows password and Window-eyes loads, 
I see a window entitled "Chromium." I am unable to close this window using alt 
f4. However, if I unload and then reload Window-eyes, the Chromium window is 
gone. I am therefore wondering whether this is a Windows 10 window, or just 
what is it?

Thanks.

Don Roberts
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Re: still having same problem with toggle

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I am running the latest updated windows and we9.5.4 and mine does say "
"voice global toggle scope"  in the keyboard menu.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 12:46:19 +
"Kurlander Richard \(75\) via Talk"  wrote:

> 
>   
> When I am in the  keyboard menu and I go to voice and hit the tab key I hear 
> toggle only  in order to hear voice global toggle scope I must hit the enter 
> key twice why? This happens when there is a toggle involved no matter which 
> menu you are in. this happens with 1709 windows version that I am using a t 
> work at home doesn't happen use ver 1803 and in fact never happened on my  
> home machine. If you can help me fix the problem please call me 2128021633
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:12 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Orlando Enrique Fiol 
> Subject: Re: still having same problem with toggle
> 
> At 04:06 PM 6/5/2018, Kurlander Richard \(75\) via Talk wrote:
>  >Whenever I go to  the keyboard settings it says toggle button I have  >to 
> hit enter twice to hear for example voice global toggle scope. Why?
>  >I am using windows 10 version 1709 my it. Guy just reimaged the  >machine 
> and the problem isn't fixed.
> 
> 
> In this case, the toggle button will rotate you between global and app 
> settings. If you choose global, your settings will be applied to all setfiles.
> Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: windows pc updates problem

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

there was a major update which may be taking longer than you're waiting
for it to be finished.
I noticed that my Sunday night update required several re-boots so was
also concerned, so turned on narrator which helped.
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On Fri, 11 May 2018 10:22:53 +0200
anthony borg via Talk  wrote:

> Hi folks 
> Yesterday I got a pc updates and I tried the normal procedure by restarting
> my computer, but unfortunately it didn't work. 
> So I tried to do it manually and it didn't work either. I can't understand
> what I'm doing wrong. 
> Is there another way that I should do to install it? 
> Thanks in advance 
> Anthony 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+anthonyborg001=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: 27 April 2018 14:44
> To: anthony borg via Talk 
> Cc: Tom Kingston 
> Subject: windows pc updates problem 
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> I don't use Outlook. But I just looked at the keyboard shortcuts page for
> Outlook because I thought perhaps Control+Shift+B was in the Window-Eyes
> scripts.
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-for-outlook-3cde
> b221-7ae5-4c1d-8c1d-9e63216c1efd
> But Control+Shift+B is the native Outlook shortcut for the address book.
> I then loaded NVDA because I still use Window-Eyes. I pressed NVDA+1 for key
> describer mode. And Control+Shift+B is not a NVDA key combination. 
> So you should be able to just press it without pressing the bypass
> combination first.
> Hth,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 4/27/2018 8:24 AM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
> > Hi tom
> > With window-eyes in outlook I used to use the insert key + b, and then 
> > ctrl
> > + shift + b, to go to the address book.
> > But now unfortunately I don't know what I should use instead.
> > I hope you will understand what I mean.
> > Thanks in advance for your help.
> > Regards
> > Anthony
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+anthonyborg001=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> > On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> > Sent: 26 April 2018 21:08
> > To: anthony borg via Talk 
> > Cc: Tom Kingston 
> > Subject: Re: wexplanation
> > 
> > Hi Anthony,
> > Yes. NVDA+F2 can be used anywhere because it's an NVDA key, just like 
> > the Window-Eyes bypass key.
> > Regards,
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > On 4/26/2018 2:03 PM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
> >> HI TOM
> >> Mmany thanks for the info.
> >> Is that can be used in outlook as well please?
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> Anthony
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk
> >> [mailto:talk-bounces+anthonyborg001=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> >> On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> >> Sent: 26 April 2018 16:51
> >> To: anthony borg via Talk 
> >> Cc: Tom Kingston 
> >> Subject: Re: wexplanation
> >>
> >> In NVDA it's NVDA key plus F2.
> >> Hth,
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/26/2018 8:24 AM, anthony borg via Talk wrote:
> >>> Hi folks
> >>> I'm using windows 10, and NVDA as a screen reader.
> >>> Since I switched to NVDA when I tried to use the capslock key as an 
> >>> insert key + b, for bypass. I noticed that it isn't working any more.
> >>> So can someone explain to me if the bypass procedure applys for NVDA 
> >>> as well?
> >>> If not, is there another way how to do it with NVDA please?
> >>> Thanks in advance
> >>> Anthony
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Re: are we still alive

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

yes, indeed, still using window-eyes with Becky! email.
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 11:42:18 -0400
geodom--- via Talk  wrote:

> This list is here, and so is the other list somebody set up.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Don Smith via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 11:39 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: Don Smith
> Subject: are we still alive
> 
> Hi:
> 
> Since window eyes is not dead, are we still alive on this list
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Don
> 
> 
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window-eyes still working.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I just did that major update and window-eyes still is working using
Becky! email.

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Re: Total Recorder

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

One thing you guys should take a serious look at is  virtual audio cable,
and though not free, it will do much you want including re-directing any
audio stream to any device, and give you a "repeater" program to monitor
any stream you've changed on whatever or where ever. :)

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On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 14:49:09 -0800 (PST)
Butch Bussen via Talk  wrote:

> I depends on the sound card.  You need to take a look at the recrding 
> properties.  Some cards have stereo mix or what you hear, some do not. 
> I had a windows seven box that didn't have that choice on the sound 
> card, so to record baseball, I had to buy a program called replay media 
> capture.  If you are into recording baseball, I can give you a tip or 
> two on that program.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
> 
> > Butch,
> >
> > I need to ask you a little something about MP3direct cut. Don't think I'm 
> > missing anything, but then again, maybe I am.
> >
> >
> > Does MP3DC happen to have the ability to record directly from audio streams 
> > like TR? With TR, you don't have to go through the sound card to record 
> > streams, but you can record/download directly from the stream via the URL. 
> > I 
> > see no reference to this feature anywhere in the manual or FAQ. Maybe that 
> > should be a definite clew, but guess it never hurts to ask.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/13/2018 9:50 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> >
> >>  I use replay media capture to record baseball games, think it costs around
> >>  $40.00.  Another really nice little program that is free and will keep
> >>  running is mp3directcut.  If you can't find that one, I can put it up on
> >>  shellworld for you.
> >>  73
> >>  Butch
> >>  WA0VJR
> >>  Node 3148
> >>  Wallace, ks.
> >> 
> >>
> >>  On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> >> 
> >> >  Is there anyone on the list that uses Total Recorder standard version 
> >> >  8.?  I want to record something that runs for more than two hours.  It 
> >> >  always stops early.  How can I get something to record until I come 
> >> >  back and turn it off? Thanks.  Also, are there either tutorials or a 
> >> >  written manual? I hate trying to find things in the help screens from 
> >> >  the internet.
> >> > 
> >> >  Carol
> >> > 
> >> > 
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Re: window eyes will not work with win10 version1803

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I wonder who put that opinion forth? We'll just have to see, since I use
window-eyes exclusively with Becky! my email client. I could use NVDA,
but it reads too many lines at the top of message(s) E.G. who from,
subject, etc. inside the message viewing pane.

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Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:16:41 -0500
Dennis via Talk  wrote:

> I saw on a windows 10 mailing list that windowEyes will not work with the 
> next version of win10.
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

they do support the  tripple talk, I have one and it works.
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 16:56:07 +
Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> The NVDA synthesizer support page does not mention hardware synths:
> 
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of John Covici via Talk
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 5:40 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: John Covici
> Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites
> 
> Does nvda work with any hardware synths?
> 
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:36:44 -0500,
> brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> > 
> > I migrated to Jaws, paid for 2 upgrades and never use it. NVDA is
> > my choice of screen reader. Basically wasted around 120 dollars.
> > 
> > On 2/2/2018 11:54 AM, Janet Brandly via Talk wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > 
> > > I¢m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and the 
> > > latest WE with the Chrome app. I¢ll start reading something, and WE will 
> > > just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly nonresponsive. Does 
> > > anyone out there have any suggestions of things to try or change to 
> > > improve this? perhaps I¢d be better off with another screen reader? I¢d 
> > > really rather not use JAWS as I¢m not doing anything very complicated any 
> > > more and wouldn¢t use most of its features.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any thoughts,
> > > 
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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:

> This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm 
> hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm 
> given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file 
> until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted 
> friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request 
> cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around 
> it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the 
> deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: CD Program?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

hey Bob, I recommend AnyBurn
easily gotten, free, and it'll dow at you wish with speech friendly all
the way through.
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On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 06:08:52 -0800
Robert Ringwald via Talk  wrote:

> What is the best program to make copies of CDs for a blind person to use?
> 
> Windows 10
> Window-Eyes 9.4.5, or 9.5.4, whatever the latest is.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
> Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
> 916/ 806-9551
> Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
> Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV
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Re: Record macro

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Look at script manager, it shows there.
control-windows-M begins recording, control alt period stops.

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Curtis Delzer, HS.
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San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:54:06 -0700
"Donald L. Roberts via Talk"  wrote:

> I need some assistance from those of you who haven't yet jumped ship.
> 
> 
> I have downloaded and installed a Window-eyes script called record macro.  
> But for some reason, it doesn't appear to be one of the installed scripts.  
> By the way, I am running Windows 10 creator, and Window-eyes 9.5.4.   Please 
> would some of you take a little time to download and play with this app as it 
> would really come in handy if I can get it to work.  But regardless of what I 
> do, record macro is not shown as one of my installed scripts.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
> 
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Re: updated all of my 35 apps

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

well it is almost the end of the year, but I did it.
There are 310 packages in this *.zip.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/aotdf8
I pay for my send space, and I will continue to pay for it.

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Curtis Delzer, HS.
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San Bernardino, CA

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:40:32 -0400
Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:

> I agree if someone could do this it would be great.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:31 AM
> To: Carol and Roger; Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps
> 
> Perhaps someone should download all of then and zip them up and share them 
> with the list?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:46 PM
> To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps
> 
> If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many 
> apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE?  In other words, would 
> it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we 
> can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find 
> a way to have them disabled?  Thanks.
> 
> Carol
> 
> 
> On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote:
> > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. 
> > From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will 
> > be allowed.
> > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an 
> > unnecessary termination of services which all of the current 
> > Window-Eyes users are using.
> > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more 
> > updates will be approved.
> > Jeff Weiss
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bryan Carver
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM
> > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com
> > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> >
> > I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately 
> > not be posting any further updates for apps.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified
> >
> > VFO™ | Director Technical Support
> >
> > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
> >
> > T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026
> >
> > bcar...@vfogroup.com
> >
> > www.vfogroup.com
> >
> > How am I doing?  Let
> >
> > Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know!
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM
> > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
> > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps
> >
> >
> > I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes 
> > apps on App Central.  It’s been several days, and I have not heard 
> > anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out.  I updated all of 
> > the
> > 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address 
> > since I am now retired.  Please allow these updates to be posted, or 
> > let me know if there is some problem.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jeff Weiss
> >
> > jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jeff Weiss
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM
> >
> > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com
> >
> > Subject: updated all of my 35 apps
> >
> >
> > I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work.
> >
> > Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to 
> > my home email address.
> >
> > The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows:
> >
> >
> > AppsActive
> >
> > version 2.3
> >
> >
> > AssertiveChristian
> >
> > Version 1.1
> >
> >
> > BrailleQuiz
> >
> > Version 1.7
> >
> >
> > BrowseModeStatus
> >
> > version 1.3
> >
> >
> > Celebrate
> >
> > Version 1.1
> >
> >
> > Christmas
> >
> > version 1.3
> >
> >
> > DailyBlessings
> >
> > version 2.0
> >
> >
> > DailyProverbs
> >
> > version 1.3
> >
> >
> > Daily Psalms
> >
> > version 1.1
> >
> >
> > EasterBlessing
> >
> > version 1.1
> >
> >
> > ErrorList
> >
> > version 1.7
> >
> >
> > FreeSpace
> >
> > version 1.8
> >
> >
> > GivingThanks
> >
> > version 1.1
> >
> >
> > GodsValentine
> >
> > version 1.4
> >
> >
> > Happiness
> >
> > Version 1.1
> >
> >
> > HushNow
> >
> > version 1.4
> >
> >
> > LunarLander
> >
> > version 1.4
> >
> >
> > MissionImpossible
> >
> > version 1.5
> >
> >
> > MusicMenu
> >
> > Version 1.6
> >
> >
> > OutlookSaveAllAttachments
> >
> > version 1.3
> >
> >
> > PlayBack
> >
> > version 1.6
> >
> >
> > PrayerForTheDay
> >
> > version 1.4
> >
> >
> > PrimeNumbers
> >
> > version 1.2
> >
> >
> > PromisesOfGod
> >
> > version 1.4
> >
> >
> > RefreshSets
> >
> > version 1.4
> >
> >
> > RomanNumerals
> >
> > version 1.4
> >
> >
> > ScriptComments
> >
> > version 1.1
> >
> >
> > Spelling Practice
> >
> > Version 1.1
> >
> >
> > SpellingTest
> >
> > version 1.7
> >
> >
> > StatesGame
> >
> > version 1.5
> >
> >
> > 

Re: To fellow BECKY! users

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I have made many filters successfully with Becky, and it works well.
You tell me how to do the T-bird filters, (make sounds for each message,
so each list has it's own sound for example), and I'll show you how to
do the Becky! ones.
It is quite easy, actually.
"filter manager" is your friend, and start each collection of "rules"
per list with move to folder and sound, and the conditions after and
you'll be jake.

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Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Tue, 30 May 2017 12:40:25 -0700
"Donald L. Roberts via Talk"  wrote:

> Although I really like the Becky email program, I continue to use Thunderbird 
> as my email client of choice for one primary reason.  I receive email from a 
> number of high traffic list and also some low traffic lists as well. I have 
> set up folders for each high traffic list and another folder for the low 
> traffic lists.  I have thus far not figured out how to filter these messages 
> into the appropriate folder with Becky whereas doing so with Thunderbird 
> works great.  If you Mike or anyone else could provide a step by step example 
> of how to do this, I would probably use Becky as the email client of choice.
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/30/2017 9:18 AM, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:
> > Hi.
> > I use Becky with Jaws and it works fine.  Here's some info I have on CC and 
> > BCC.
> >
> > CC and BCCC
> >
> > Bring up new message.
> > Select name.
> > tab to CC or BCCC
> > Hit alt-C or alt-B.
> >
> > select name and hit enter.
> >
> > To  bring up these to make visible  bring up new message and hit control - 
> > down arrow twice
> >
> > Open the new message and hit control-down arrow twice.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:52:17 -0500
> > Martha via Talk  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> 1. Has anyone tried using BECKY! with JFW yet?  If so, how did it go?
> >>
> >> 2. Besides using nicknames in BECKY!, what are the steps and keystrokes
> >> to select multiple recipients of a new composed message?  I'm used to
> >> Outlook Express where I could be in the address book, arrow to a name
> >> and press alt and "the letter t" to add a name to the "To" line, alt and
> >> "the letter c" to
> >> add the selected name to the "CC:" line, or alt and  the letter "b" to
> >> add the selected name to the "BCC" line.  Is there a BECKY! way to do
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Since this is not specific to Window-Eyes, please respond to me off-list
> >> at
> >> mrea...@comcast.net
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Martha
> >>
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Re: Becky problems

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

sorry for not picking up this thread, but I did set JART as an external
editor and it works fine, I just don't use it exclusively but I could.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 17 May 2017 12:05:30 -0400
Mike Rogers via Talk  wrote:

> hi.
> Becky doesn''t bring up Jarte.  It has it's own editor for messages
> 
> 
> 
> www.harmonicaworkshops.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 17 May 2017 08:04:45 -0700
> Dave via Talk  wrote:
> 
> > Hello Curtis,
> > 
> > How does Becky use Jarte?  
> > 
> > If you press CTRL-N to write a Message, does Jarte come up instead of
> > the Becky Editor?  
> > 
> > If it does, that would be great.
> > 
> > Grumpy Dave
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I cannot get response from D olphin screen reader in anything web site
related at all. :)
If I turn on IE "html" site reading in Becky, Dolphin will then read the
message, but, if I have just convert to plain text, up/down/left/right
arrow is all that is said in the message view windows
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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 14 May 2017 01:48:44 -0400
Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:

> Please keep us updated.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:44 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: One more update on SuperNova Screen Reader
> 
> Hi list:
> 
> Went back and re-installed just the stand-alone screen reader, and didn’t get 
> the error.  It may have been that I was running an insider preview build, 
> but, not sure.
> 
> Screen reader working ok, but, again, no go on the win10 mail app.  Not sure 
> about any other win10 apps.  Works on outlook, at least, the little I tested.
> 
> Using the Window-Eyes keyboard layout, so, that’ll give me a quick way to 
> test various things to see if they are supported.
> 
> Take care!
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: Becky problems

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I am checking out external editors using Becky, and this is being written in 
JART.
I wonder how this will work?
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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 May 2017 17:49:41 +0200
Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk  wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> Check the following.
> Tools, general setup and the Editor  tab.
> You can jbest shift-tab because the option is allmost the last one.
> Search for:
> Allways focus to the editor when composing
> Turn this option off.
> 
> Regards, Marten
> 
> 
> On Thu, 11 May 2017 05:55:54 -0700 Dave via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello again,
> > 
> > I am guilty of changing some Setting in Becky, and now when I want to
> > write an Email, Window Eyes does not focus upon the Field where the
> > Email Address is typed, nor does it focus upon the Subject, CC, or BC
> > Fields, not without some effort.
> > 
> > This is not a Window Eyes problem, but a Grumpy Dave problem.  I was
> > making some changes to Becky, in hopes of getting something else to work
> > better, and in the process, I've altered the wrong thing and I am where
> > I am now.  
> > 
> > Do any of you know what I need to do in Becky to get the focus back
> > where it needs to be?  
> > 
> > Thanks for any response,
> > 
> > Grumpy Dave
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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Re: A blast from the past?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

that sure brings back memories! for sure!

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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Mon, 8 May 2017 13:03:59 -0400
Joseph Norton via Talk  wrote:

> Hi listers:
> 
> I just want to say that, whatever the future of Window-Eyes, it’s been a 
> great 18 years—at least, by June of this year, it’ll have been around 18 
> years since I bought Window-Eyes.
> 
> 
> And, for those of you who weren’t using WE back then, here’s a link to an 
> interesting sound file.
> 
> This came right from my Window-Eyes CD-Rom from June of 1999.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/duppzrhov7qd8j3/WELCOME.WAV?dl=1
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> 
> 
> Enjoy!
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Re: Becky email questions

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I am using Becky! at this moment and I am committed to it. It is simple
software with a potentially complex approach which you can either use or
ignore. Two views are useable with speech, either the html view from the
IE component built into windows, or convert to text which is the easiest.
Press downarrow and tab to read the subject and / or sender of the
message, and window-eyes by default will read the first 24 lines of the
message. "read-to-end" however is broken in the latest window-eyes, and
no one seems to know why, but it is easily overcome with the space bar
which displays the next screen of the message and hitting
"control-shift-d" which reads the field data which I have set up.
I completely recommend Becky! which is not so convoluted as Thunderbird,
has no adds, and you do not need to use an HTML viewer or creator unless
you wish too to read or write mail. It is quick at gathering mail, has
pop and that other format which I can't remember the name of but it is
seriously implemented, is very easy to set up, and configure.
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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:48:18 -0700
"Donald L. Roberts via Talk"  wrote:

> Although I really like most things about the Thunderbird email program, I 
> continue to encounter one problem which frustrates me to the point where I 
> wish to at least try other email programs, in this case Becky.
> 
> 
> The frustration of which I speak is that Window-eyes 9.5.4 almost always will 
> repeat either the subject line or the first two lines of almost any email 
> message. Earlier versions of W E showed similar behavior on this HP desktop 
> which is now running Windows 10 creator.  In fairness, Jaws sometimes 
> exhibits this behavior but far less than W E. Also Jaws 16 takes 
> significantly longer on my system to load an email message.  I have played 
> with the trigger delay and other W E settings in the hope of at least 
> reducing the occurrence of this as I am resigned to never completely 
> eliminating it.  Nothing helps much.  I know that some on this list indicate 
> that they do not experience this phenomenon although others do.
> 
> 
> The bottom line here is that I have decided to take Becky for a trial run and 
> hope some lister will point me both to the GW Micro posts on what 
> modifications need to be made to Becky and also Chris Grabowsky's tutorial on 
> its usage.
> 
> 
> Thanks for letting me vent.
> 
> 
> Don Roberts
> 
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Re: App updates

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

how we updates all at once?

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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:47:59 -0400
Loy via Talk  wrote:

> I received one about a month ago, after I reported a bug in an app they had a 
> app update the same day.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Kevin Huber via Talk 
>   To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:37 AM
>   Subject: Re: App updates
> 
> 
>   Hi Russ:
> 
>   As was said, the version numbers for most of the updates have not
>   change so you have to update manually.
> 
>   On 4/18/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:
>   > I haven't received any Window-eyes updates in a long time!
>   >
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>   > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:17 PM
>   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   > Subject: App updates
>   >
>   > Hi everyone,
>   >
>   > I'm not sure whether anyone has noticed, but many, if not all of the GW
>   > Micro apps are being updated to reflect the merge with AI Squared.
>   >
>   > Hth,
>   >
>   > Rod
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Re: hello and a couple of things

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I have noticed, that since I have installed the creators' update for
windows' ten that window-eyes works faster, is more responsive, does not
crash or become silent as it did many times under the anniversary update.
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 03:26:07 +
Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> It has been a while, but I have returned back on the list.
> I would like to ask a couple of questions,  and they are as follows.
> 
>   1.  Has window-eyes gone under the radar  as it were?
>   2.  2. What changes are in the works, since the security release of the 
> program?
> And I have also noticed a bug in this version of window-eyes and the windows 
> 10 creators update.
> When you enter things in to the start menu, window-eyes does not speak the 
> search results.
> Thanks,
> Darrell
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where are window-eyes sounds stored by default?

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I want to change my sound scheme, but my other scheme doesn't have the
window-eyes start / stop, and other 4 sounds in it. Where are they
stored when WE is installed?

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Windows ten creators' update issues.

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I had about 3 or 4 major options.
(1) when the last screen came up, of course there is silence and your
computer is waiting for you to press the "next" button from within the
"welcome to windows" screen with your name on the second line.
I had no keyboard, therefore no way to call narrator, and no way to see
the "next" button, and no way to activate it, no how with an absent
keyboard.
(2) I had no sound, since unbeknownst to me, my sounds had been
redirected to my headphones output of my sound card, not speakers which
is the default and (formerly set up) condition.
What to do?  Without a mouse connected to my computer, without sight
available at the time, I determined with "be my eyes," that the
condition of "welcome to windows" was happening and my name were on the
screen, and the "next" button, my wife saw with KNFB reader with her
phone.
I had to find a USB mouse, get my neighbor to come in here and press the
"next" button with the mouse, and, of course, we had no keyboard so he
had to use the "virtual" keyboard available in "ease of access center,"
to tap in my PIN which I used at that time to log onto my machine,
because I used my Microsoft account so, in case I had a future machine
identified with my Microsoft account.
My neighbor, then, with very little computer experience, had to find a
way through all of the activity happening, (finishing the update,
downloading fixes to creator edition), and, then, since I was talking
with the Microsoft representative connect my computer to his for fixing.
We found out that on my machine, when the Microsoft account was having
to be logged into, with my pin being requested, I had no keyboard since
the default after the update was with "filter keys" turned on, and
though the Microsoft rep turned them off more than once, they got turned
on again before my PIN was requested every time a re-boot occurred. So,
his solution was to set me up with a local account for now.
The "no keyboard" situation was ugly, imagine a blind person without a
keyboard, and no way to call narrator during the update because of that,
and then, sounds being redirected somewhere else.
I did, while my computer was silent, plug headphones into my computer,
but with no activity, hung on the welcome screen, there is no potential
for sounds to occur, and with no keyboard, how was I to know if my
silent narrator was approaching the "next" key with the mouse. Narrator
did not stay with me after the last boot, and with no way to invoke it I
was hung.
So BE WARE! On your machine all may go swimmingly, but it sure did not
on mine, and I still do not know if I can re-invoke my Microsoft account
with it's PIN used to log into my machine.


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hot keys for display flipping.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I believe I have a monitor which is susceptible to the same keys by
default that window eyes  uses for changing the roters for speed, volume,
pitch and which item e.g. keyboard, screen and mouse.
where do I go in settings to make sure those hot keys are not active? My
neighbor had issues with my monitor on it's side, as he said, so he had
to turn his head to read it. :)
Landscape is not his thrill, so he found a way to change it back so,
anyone please let me know.
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Re: We are alive

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I have asked, many times for a copy of my download to be put on their
web site, and no response, is my answer. I have 9.5.3, but not 9.5.4 CD.
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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 11:01:04 +1300
Vaughan Dodd via Talk  wrote:

> With respect - even if Window-eyes development and sales cease, continued use 
> of Window-eyes will lock people into legacy computing.
> 
> 
> I've just fought unsuccessfully with Window-eyes, Internet Explorer and my 
> bank's web site and my non-technical view is that the bank makes changes to 
> its coding which make Window-eyes unstable.  Microsoft have still locked us 
> out of the Edge Browser, and even if it truly commits to unlocking it, Will 
> Window-Eyes know about Edge's latest and greatest.
> 
>I don't understand why people are buying cds when a personalised link to 
> your serial number can be asked for at no cost.  Transfer the downloaded file 
> to an external storage device.
> 
>   A working install from scratch is obviously sensible, but its value will 
> reduce in the longer term as other parts of our computing experience change.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Based on comments from other users, I won't be hanging on the phone for 45 
> plus minutes to talk to someone who doesn't know about Window-Eyes - I do not 
> live in the United States, and Window-Eyes is no lonhger worth the telephone 
> charges.
> 
>And probably: to add to the contempt wiht which VFO treats its customers, 
> i'll be told to talk to my local dealer.
> 
> 
> If I were to ask who my local Window-Eyes dealer is, i'll be given the name 
> of that dealer whom I know to be  Window-Eyes useless.
> 
> 
> If CSUN and official announcements reveal "an exciting new screen reader" 
> which fixes all the bugs we are putting up with, i'll part with cash.  I need 
> a working screen reader, which is ready for when I have to update hardware 
> and applications.  I do not want it to be JFW, but i'd respond positively to 
> a new screen reader which has been designed and developed by all of this 
> talent which VFO apparently now has.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Vaughan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/26/2017 1:20 AM, Don Smith via Talk wrote:
> > Yes, it is sad that at some point our beloved win eyes may cease to exist.
> >
> >   >
> > However, as long as we users still talk to each other, then the list is
> > indeed alive and  will survive for some time yet.
> >
> > I was concerned that if I had a probmem with win eyes, I would not be able
> > to get support, so, I phoned fo and purchased the latest versioon of win
> > eyes and if My version of win eyes gets sick and is unable to run, then I
> > can reinstall 9.5.4 and win eyes will live again.
> >
> > At present, I am running 9.5.4 on both a windows 7 and windows 10 computers.
> >
> >   >
> > And as long as we have wonderful like Rod and others, we are not buried yet.
> >
> > Long live win eyes
> >
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Re: Trouble with Becky

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I just use control-X to cut and control-V to paste into a different mailbox.


At 05:24 AM 1/29/2017, you wrote:
The hot key Alt-T plus R to transfer emails from inbox to another 
folder has stopped working.  Can I get the steps involved to start 
over arranging sorting, from somebody?  I've set two folders up, but 
they don't recieve any mail.  Everything goes into inbox and stays there.


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test. . .

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I want to see if this goes through.
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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 not an update

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This window-eyes works much better for me than any of the other 9
versions, no doubt. I still maintain that no one from gw-micro or
ai-squared has touted the release, minor or otherwise, as they ALWAYS!
did in the past, and my note from Doug was in my inbox, not on this list
as it should have been for all to read about the necessity of updating
window-eyes, as opposed to the ability to update to a version which
contains X fixes for us to enjoy, including this new additional braille
display.
hmm!
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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:45:11 -0500
Dennis Long via Talk  wrote:

> I agree!  Great job!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:46 PM
> To: Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4 not an update
> 
> As previously stated, a couple of bugs *were* fixed in this release.
> 
> * Support has been added for the HumanWare BrailleNote Touch braille
> display.
> 
> * An issue where multiple hooking errors would occur in the latest testing
> builds of Windows 10 has been fixed.
> 
> * An updated digital certificate has been used to sign all executables.
> 
> 
> That third one is pretty major, I would say.  Those who don't update before
> January 26th will find their version of Window-eyes inoperable.  
> So I'm gonna have to very respectfully disagree. This is a *very* important
> update.
> 
>   I mean...unless you like not having Window-eyes
> 
>   run at all?
> 
> 
>  I meanunless you lik
> 
> 
> On 1/19/2017 10:36 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> > As somebody else pointed out already.  This is a patch only. No bugs are
> fixed and no new enhancements are included.
> >
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jart, line down, up?

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In my jart plus, 5.4, when I use down arrow, the speech continuously
re-reads the same line. what to do?
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first time, ever!

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do you all realize that for the very first time, not a single
representative has touted the new release or update of window-eyes since
the beginning of the company?
That is what is disconcerting to me!

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Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I find this new version of window-eyes less likely to crash and is a
whole lot faster with FireFox than other versions!

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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 01:00:45 -0500
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> Are people ever?  Is that all you can do is bitch?  They added support for a
> braille display.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to program.  I suspect
> the main purpose was to make people could continue using the product some
> people are never happy!  Thank you for the update it's appreciated.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:08 PM
> To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Update 9.5.4
> 
> It is good that a update was done but if you look at the readme for what
> changes were made there were no real improvements or bug fixes. 
> Normally in the past a update would include a long list of improvements and
> bug fixes.  So this update was to keep it working, which is a good thing,
> but shows no effort taking place as in the past to keep improving on WE.
> 
> On 1/18/2017 4:10 PM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
> > I find it rather reassuring that we are still getting updates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alison
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Re: Called JAWS the other day

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

there is an add-on for the triple talk.
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 10:17:34 -0500
Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:

> Excuse my ignorance, but is there way to get NVDA and other screen readers 
> like it to work with external synthesizers? I do a lot of recording and would 
> like to have my speech running on something separately. I could assign a 
> different sound card for the speech I suppose.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Where does one get the access32 addon?  I have a friend who has started 
> > using NVDA.
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 5:04 PM
> > To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Called JAWS the other day
> > 
> > As far as NVDA voices I am currently using the Access32 add on and NVDA
> > sounds just like WE with the Decaccess32 voice for Window Eyes.
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Re: Going Backward in Accessibility?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

One thing, in Becky if you wish read-to-end to work again, you can
change, under general settings, the third page of options, (message view),
the HTML option that "convert to plain text, to use, instead, the IE5
view which is the second from the top of 3 radio buttons.
Then your read-to-end keys are the same as those you'd use in Internet
explorer of which it is using one of the components of.
Other advantages are easier clicking on links in HTML email messages,
but, there are disadvantages as well, though you can as easily turn it
off and go back to "convert to plain text" as well to get what you have
now, back again.
Of course, in the normal view of Becky, hitting the space bar to scroll
the message 24 or so lines and then hitting control=-shift-d to read the
field which I use works too, but auto-read works well when using the
html view.
That option is about 21 tabs from the start of the "message view" page,
or about 10 or so shift-tabs from the other way. :)

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:03:39 -0800 (PST)
Butch Bussen via Talk  wrote:

> You are so right, and have you looked at stereo systems lately?  Same old, 
> same old, read the display.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017, Dave via Talk wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > There are all kinds of examples.  In Becky, I once had the ability to
> > Read to End, and now I no longer have this ability.
> >
> > Numerous Web Sites that once were reasonably accessible, now require
> > more effort on my part to find the same information.
> >
> > Ebay is a simple example.  I once could easily type in the item I was
> > looking for and run a search.  Now I need to take a few extra steps to
> > do the same thing, and then, sometimes, the reading of the search
> > results is quite flaky.
> >
> > This is probably due more to Ebay changing something than Window Eyes
> > doing something wrong.  But the bottom line is that I now am working
> > harder to get where I once could go fairly easily.
> >
> > The other day, I was on a web site, I was attempting to create an
> > account, I could not because some where on that screen I was leaving a
> > Field open, and try as I might, I could never find the field, and I
> > could not create the account.  I'll need to get sighted help to do this
> > in the next day or two.
> >
> > Operating Systems and programs all have multiplied the number of
> > features, and a program that once had 50 features, now has 200.  My
> > screen reader might read many of these new menu choices, and then again,
> > it might not.
> >
> > Oh, I can still use the basic features, but I find that I don't always
> > have the ability to go into some of those new areas, and be able to read
> > all the selections, choices and options.
> >
> > This is partly due to multiple factors, and I am not holding Window Eyes
> > responsible for the two steps backwards.
> >
> > Frankly, I would think it is almost impossible for a Screen reading
> > company to give 100 per cent access to Windows, or Office, or many other
> > programs.
> >
> > Outside of Screen Readers, I think the Blind are given fewer and fewer
> > choices.  I bought a brand new Top of the Line Washer and Dryer for my
> > Wife.  I thought I might be able to continue to help do the wash from
> > time to time.  The machines had buttons.  Well, it turns out, even
> > though there are buttons, the user needs to read a screen to select the
> > exact cycle wanted for that load of wash.  And the dryer isn't any
> > easier.  It too has a screen and it requires the user to read the screen
> > in order to choose the desired dryer setting, time temp etc.
> >
> > I now need to read from a Braille card, the number of buttons to push
> > and in which order, to do a simple load of wash.
> >
> > There are many Kitchen appliances that require sight to use them
> > accurately.
> >
> > The phone system where I work is almost impossible for me to use.  I can
> > pick up calls and dial out, but it requires sight to see another one of
> > those screens to pick the person you wish to transfer a call.
> >
> > customer Service Data bases, my Screen reader doesn't read well.  Not
> > well enough to effectively use it.  Same with the Tech Data base.
> >
> > I may have said that accessibility is taking one step forwards, and two
> > back.  Perhaps I should have said, that accessibility is not keeping up
> > with what accessibility is needed, which ends up meaning the same thing
> > for most Blind.  We can't use the equipment, or navigate the Web page,
> > or create an account, or do some type of editing, because we can't get
> > to the feature to use it.
> >
> >
> > I am older, and some my want to say, that I am just an old dude who is
> > stuck in the past.
> >
> > However, what I see, is the typical consumer has a load of Electronic
> > equipment, and very very few know much more than the bare basics when it
> > comes to 

Re: Email programs, Your Choice?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I use Becky! because I can go through a lot of mail in a hurry if needed,
or even display mail with html formatting using it's ability through IE
to properly display it, and the filters work for handling mail into
separate mailboxes automatically.
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San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 05:58:34 -0800
Dave via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> For those of you who have used more than one Email program, if you have
> an opinion as to which program you like the best, would you share that
> opinion?  
> 
> I currently use Becky, and it works, but it has its quirks.  
> 
> I used Eudora a very long time, but grew tired of jumping through the
> Hoops needed to make it work in the next version of MS Windows.And
> the 7.1 version has a few Bugs that never were fixed before the Company
> retired Eudora.  
> 
> Windows Live Mail is used by some, but Microsoft has just said that
> Windows Live Mail will no longer be supported,.  I would still use it,
> if WLM is quick and simple to use.  
> 
> The Email program that comes in Win 10 is an alternative to Windows Live
> Mail.  I have not looked at it yet, but have listened to a video about
> it.  Kind of a functional no fancy features kind of program.  I might
> check it out, providing it works well enough with Window Eyes.
> 
> And then there is Thunderbird.  I used Thunderbird about four years ago. 
> Had it at work and I never liked it much, especially the Spell Checker.   
> I like getting a list of word possibilities, and if I recall,
> Thunderbird doesn't give much in the way of a list.  
> 
> However, several updates have come and gone since I used it, and so if
> any here use Thunderbird and love it.  Tell me why you love it.  
> Also The Window Eyes Support for Thunderbird might be better today than
> in the past.  I like a program where the Screen Reader allows me to read
> the screens well.  Moving around with the Tab key doesn't take me into
> areas the Screen Reader doesn't read etc.  
> 
> 
> And if there are any Email programs I haven't mentioned, and you use
> them, and like them, would you tell me about them as well?  
> 
> Thanks for any opinions.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
>   
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Re: to Curtis from michael about voices.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

sorry for not replying Michael, didn't see your message.
the voice has some idiosyncrasies, but it works well, and the discount
when I bought it was significant.

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:56:31 +1100
michaels mail via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Curtis i di dbuy the US John  male voice cos their was no Australian ones.
> But i find its not quiet as good as the sample one i played on their web site.
> Did you notice any difference.
> I have played with the tone and speed.
> Cheers Michael.
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Re: JART and compatibility

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Hey, thank you Tom, I sure hope this straightens out the issues I also
had with JART and *.doc or *.docs files.

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San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 11:45:41 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

> When I installed Jarte on my new Windows 10 system I had the same problem. I 
> installed the compatibility pack I used with the previous installation and it 
> didn't work.
> I don't use Jarte all the time. So I uninstalled Jarte and the compatibility 
> pack. Then when I decided I wanted it again I reinstalled Jarte. And they 
> said that Microsoft had removed the compatibility pack from their site 
> because they were no longer supporting it. But they gave me a link to another 
> one, I think it was on cNet. So I downloaded that one, installed it, and .doc 
> and .docx files read fine in Jarte now.
> I just zipped up and uploaded the compatibility pack installer I used to 
> Dropbox. So here's a link to it.
> I'd first uninstall the one you've installed.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0knh4oged1j45y/OfficeConverterPack.zip?dl=1
> I hope it works.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 12/8/2016 11:10 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> > I've only tried 2 doc files and was unsuccessful both times. I can only
> > assume Jarte isn't recognizing my MS compatibility Pack.
> >
> > On 12/8/2016 8:02 AM, Martha Reaney via Talk wrote:
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> When I first downloaded the MS compatibility, I was able to read a
> >> .doc file.
> >> But, the next time that I tried, I got the message that the
> >> compatibility files were missing, or, some message like that.
> >>
> >> So, I have also had problems using JART on my Win 10 machine.
> >>
> >> Hoping someone will have some help to offer...
> >>
> >> Martha
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: brice Mijares via Talk
> >> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 8:19 AM
> >> Subject: Re: What is Jart?
> >>
> >>
> >> I've been using Jarte for years, but after going to windows ten and
> >> downloading and installing Jarte, I can't open doc files. I get an error
> >> message stating I need the Micro soft compatibility pack. I Downloaded
> >> the pack and still get the error message. Does anyone have a solution?
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Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

The battery in my tripple talk will run the synthesizer for a little
while, but then, after no power from the usb connection for about 4 or
so hours, it begins to make noise! :) 
If our power goes off during the night, I get a rude awakening from my
wife, I guarantee!
Tempting to take out the battery because who knows whether or not it may
leak? or corrode? causing other issues.

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San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:31:45 -0800
Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:

> The Battery in my TripleTalk usb died a long time back, I had a friend of 
> mine take out the battery.  It turns onn and off when I turn on and off the 
> computer.
> 
> -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:28 AM
> To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
> 
> because turning it off with a power strip only turns off the battery charger.
> the battery would stay on until it completely drains.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:36 AM
> To: Neville ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
> 
> Why wouldn't the battery turn off if you turned everything off with the
> power strip?  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:43 AM
> To: net bat ; Window Eyes
> Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
> 
> I also use a power strip to turn off all the equipment but the Double
> Talk had a hard wired builtin battery whichneeded to be turned off at
> the unit.  This, over time, stuffed it up.
> 
> Neville.
> 
> 
> On 5/12/2016 4:38 PM, net bat wrote:
> > i use  a power strip to turn everything off. i would rather wear out the
> > power strip then the power buttons on my equipment
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:32 PM
> > To: Casey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: the triple talk USB or the dectalk USB
> >
> > Hi,
> > Over the years, I have used both the external Double Talk and the
> > Tripple Talk syns and would never bother with an external unit again.
> > These units were of the serial type and both were quite expensive for
> > what they were.
> >
> > The Double talk needed to be turned off with the on off volume switch at
> > the end of each session to save the internal battery.  In time, the
> > volume control became quite scratchy and eventually I gave it up.
> >
> > The Tripple Talk went the same way but in a much shorter time frame. In
> > comparison, I found the Tripple Talk to be not worth the money.  Maybe
> > the later versions have improved.
> >
> >
> > For some time now I have used a Creative usb external sound card costing
> > around $60 connected to a pair of speakers with a volume control. If the
> > volume ever becomes scratchy, it is an inexpensive solution just to
> > replace the speakers. This setup has been working for years without any
> > problems.
> >
> > I mainly use Eloquence as my software syn and find it very responsive.
> > The other benefit to using a software syn is that there are many good
> > free voices which can be easily obtained.
> >
> > Currently I have WE and Eloquence running through the external sound
> > card and have another  voice setup to run through the internal sound
> > card if required. NVDA also is setup to run through the internal
> > cardwhich gives me a way of tracing any problems if WE will not talk
> > through the external card.
> >
> > In short, save your money and get an external sound card as mentioned
> > above. With the modern fast computers, lack of responsiveness is not a
> > big a problem as it once was.
> >
> > Neville.
> >
> > On 5/12/2016 2:42 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:
> >> Hi I am thinking about maybe getting one of these synthesizers.
> >> The triple talk USB or the dectalk USB.
> >> Witch is the better one that will give the fastest response time and
> >> work the best with window-eyes?
> >> now I know it maybe personal choice.
> >> But I know A few of you out hear of used either one of both of these
> >> units so all comments and suggestions are welcome.
> >> And if you like one over the other please tell us why that is.
> >>
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Re: Organize folders

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Thank you! I forgot entirely about f6!
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 08:02:02 -0500
Rebecca Lineberger via Talk  wrote:

> You didn't say what version of Windows you're using.  In Windows 10, when
> you're in your list of folders or in a list of files within a folder, the
> quickest way to sort is to press F6.  Window-Eyes will say:
> "Name, closed, split button."
> Press enter, and the contents will flip, a to z, or z to a.
> If you'd rather organize by date, press F6 and right arrow to date modified.
> (That's where the "split comes in.)  You can sort from earliest to most
> recent, or the other way round, just as you can by name.  You can also sort
> by type and size.
> I think the F6 worked this way in Windows 7 too.
> HTH.
> Rebecca
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:46 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Organize folders
> 
> Hi Folks:
> 
>  
> 
> I have a drive with a folder called books.
> 
> I have alwas had it sorted from a to z.
> 
>  
> 
> I have just discovered it is now z to a.
> 
>  
> 
> I have no idea why this has happened.
> 
>  
> 
> Have I let an intruder in. (smile)
> 
>  
> 
> I have lookded under the context key where I thought the choice to organize
> was there, but, alas, not there.
> 
> Don
> 
>  
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Re: Sound Forge Pro 11 app update.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Tom, as a user of SF, I thank you every day! truly! makes it easier.
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 09:52:43 -0500
Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

> Version 1.2.1 is available.
> It addresses the following issues.
> 1. Fixed a problem with Window-Eyes and Sound Forge version checking on 
> launch.
> 2. Fixed a potential error with some windows when they are activated due to 
> background windows flashing for a moment.
> 3. Eliminated the rare occasion of "Data window does not have focus" being 
> voiced when arrowing through menus.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Tom
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here is quite a good voice.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

This is pretty new, and they are worth out support. This is a SAPI 5
voice I am now using, and the voice has 4 English derivations, and some
other languages.
Check them out at:
https://www.innoetics.com/
it will be worth your while. Even the demos work, with background music,
and I don't think any other limitations.
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Re: history of window eyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I saw out spoken in 1991 or so, maybe even earlier.

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:47:39 -0500
Larry Higgins via Talk  wrote:

> Another one that some may remember a bit more than I do was Berkeley Systems 
> OutSpoken. If I remember correctly Berkeley Systems was sold to the Alva 
> people. I think it came out some time in 1994, so was written for 3.1, and 
> after that, I don't think it was any further developed
> 
> Anyway, I remember having a demo of that program, but didn't have much in the 
> way of software to play around with at the time, but I think it read the 
> interface reasonably well. No more than that I able to share .
> 
> On 10/17/2016 10:52 PM, David Goldfield via Talk wrote:
> > I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
> >
> > In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
> > Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
> > correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
> > have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
> > Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
> > May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
> > Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
> > a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
> > be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
> > 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
> > try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
> > name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
> > Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
> > Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
> > It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
> > library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
> > the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
> > screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
> > corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
> > about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
> > Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
> > more than a few years.
> >
> > This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
> > talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
> > technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
> > established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
> > locating it.
> >
> >
> >
> >David Goldfield,
> > Assistive Technology Specialist
> >
> > Feel free to visit my Web site
> > WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
> >
> > On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
> >> Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
> >> was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
> >> interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
> >> purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
> >> 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
> >> $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
> >> I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
> >> Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
> >> offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
> >> reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
> >>> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
> >>> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
> >>> screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
> >>> originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
> >>> partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
> >>> Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
> >>> so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
> >>> Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
> >>> screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
> >>> that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
> >>> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
> >>> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
>  I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
>  of the story.
>  In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
>  Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of
>  computers. They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen
>  reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 

Re: Finding File attachments in Becky?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

You can if you're using the "convert to text" option unger general,
third tab, about 20 tabs to the right, just press tab after the message
body. Becky does not store attachments separate from the message unless
you ask it to "save."
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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 12:02:23 -0700
Dave via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I use Becky for my Email.  Had someone send me a File attachment the
> other day, but I cannot find which folder it is located. 
> 
> I have a folder called Becky, under Documents, but I see no attachment
> in this folder.
> 
> Would someone who knows, tell me where I might find attachments? 
> 
> Oh, and I am using Becky 2.0 and Windows 10.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: history of window eyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Hi, do you all remember tiny talk? A version needed for whatever
synthesizer you had installed? At least that is what I remember.
I had it available on my BBS, another memory, (should say several
memories), running, finally evolved into EzyCom, and I think I ran
FrontDoor, for the input to the system because had FidoNet.
1:203.9264

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:41:46 -0700
Dave Basden via Talk  wrote:

> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near Fresno 
> where I lived at the time, initially called his PC screenreader Vocal-Eyes 
> and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had originally designed it for a 
> fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only partially sighted.  I still see his 
> name on the lists occasionally.  Bill Grimm was then naming all his software 
> releases Whatever-talk, so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the 
> program was renamed Screen Talk.  When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, 
> he named his screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection 
> to that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by 
> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you know, 
> Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
> >I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little >of the 
> >story.
> >In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids >Corporation, 
> >to create software for the Apple II family of >computers. They teamed up 
> >with Malcolm Holser to create a screen >reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, 
> >which was released in 1985, which >I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk 
> >was linked with ProKey, a >macro program, and its functionality was 
> >extended. Somewhere in >there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 
> >1988 Computer >Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech 
> >>synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in >those 
> >days. Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that >time Bill Grimm 
> >died.
> >Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the 
> >>new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
> >The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the >summer 
> >of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and >JAWS for 
> >Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995. >It worked with 
> >Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was already >out and had no screen 
> >reader support from anyone at first. >Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E 
> >version to support Windows 95, and >came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
> >The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website, >going way 
> >back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come from.
> >
> >
> >Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> >http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> >-Original Message- From: Drew Clark via Talk
> >Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
> >To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >Subject: history of window eyes
> >
> >hi,
> >
> >i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it
> >and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
> >interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >
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Re: history of window eyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I believe my first window-eyes was 3.1, and that was with a buddy. :) I
had A S A P for dos, and vocal-eyes also which I'd bought back in the
windows 95 days, then 98, then XP for probably 11 years. :) Fascinating
stuff to hear some of the history.
I had an Artic synthesizer, and business/vision software in the very
beginning, but you know how it goes;  the internet intrudes and then
you find out about all the other "good" stuff. :)
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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 09:37:15 -0400
Pamela Dominguez via Talk  wrote:

> Well, before vocal eyes, on my first dos computer, I had Artic vision.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Bob Hicks via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:58 PM
> To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: history of window eyes
> 
> Yeas, I also had ScreenTalk before Window Eyes and I believe I used an Echo
> synthesizer with it.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Bob Hicks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:53 AM
> To: Drew Clark ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
> 
> Hi, Drew. While I believe we should not spend much more time on list for
> this, I bought my first home computer frojm Computer Aids Corporation in
> 1989. It had ScreenTalk installed on it. I have used Vocal-Eyes and
> Window-Eyes ever since.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Drew Clark via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:56 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: history of window eyes
> 
> hi,
> 
> i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created it and
> how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that interviews the g
> and the w behind gw micro?
> 
> thanks
> 
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Re: dectalk with nvda

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I did not know there is a DecTalk sapi5.

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:06:38 +0800
Drew Clark via Talk  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> are you long time wineyes user? wow! impressive! i am learning window eyes. 
> so  did you purchase window eyes from it's first release to current without 
> missing even one release?
> 
> ok back to business, you can install the dectalk sapi 5 and use with nvda or 
> any other sapi compatible.
> 
> hope it helps
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Thanks to Rick and Others

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

easy, get a bunch of containers of the amount of milk you need and
you'll never go under or over.
In other words, if you half too, premeasure the milk beforehand.
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On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 08:06:25 -0600
"Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk" 
 wrote:

> Dave, I feel your pain!!  My feet are stuck deep in your shoes.  If I never
> have to deal with a state agency for the blind, I will most certainly MAKE
> HEAVEN and I won't need to present for Saint Peter's interview at the Parley
> Gates.  To this day, the tellers at the bank still ask me for a driver's
> license.  I hand them my cane; they are startled!  Then, miraculously, they
> wake up and ask me for a state ID.  When I tell sighted folks that they are
> horribly absent-minded, they get upset.  Yet, they have not succeeded in
> proving me wrong!  For an individual who's duty is to help you find a job to
> have sent you to an interview requiring the presentation of a valid driver's
> license not only blows my mind off the top, it knocks off my socks and
> shoves me under the bridge.
> 
> Currently, I am doing the best I can to run a DME business independently;
> however, I stand a strong chance of losing it in a few weeks!!  New
> regulations kick in and, assemblying the compliance packages required will
> cost me nearly $10,000!  I am a wee, smaller than small business owner, but,
> the rules are what they are!  The materials I need ARE NOT rendered in any
> accessible format and I have been struggling to fight this for over two
> years with no luck.  I get tossed from one person to another and it's going
> nowhere.
> 
> Right now, I am training to be a coffee barista with the hope of being able
> to open a coffee shop by the end of the first or second quarter of 2017
> although sooner is my personal preference.  I am also taking an
> entrepreneurship program class; it is a six-week class.  When its over, I
> will have 15 minutes to MAKE A PITCH for my coffee shop before a SHARK TANK
> of some kind.  If I succeed, I'll get some FREE SEED funding to help me get
> started.  November 12 is the magic day and date!  In the meantime, I MUST
> PREPARE some Powerpoint thingie as part of my presentation.  I've never
> TINKERED with PowerPoint and had hoped never to, but now I am stuck!  
> 
> The coffee shop training has been interesting.  I have learned so much and I
> now have a reasonably clear understanding of certain processes relating to
> the coffee business.  Be that as it may, I do have a struggle:  I tend to
> POUR TOO MUCH MILK for steaming when making a latté, or cappuccino.  I'm
> able to STEAM MILK to the correct temperature of between 140 degrees F. and
> 160 degrees F. with no problems!  It's just pouring the right quantity of
> milk into a pitcher for a small, medium or large cup that still rattles me.
> 
> 
> I'm trying to use the PASS plan to get the coffee shop going; this is what
> FORCES ME to go back to my state's agency for the blind!  Presently, my
> counselor thinks I should consider the BEP as an alternative.  No, I prefer
> to be in a freestanding building on a street corner!  I have been referred
> to a self employment counselor and I am waiting with tempered anxiety to
> hear from this new counselor.  Jaws is being shoved down my guts; I've
> stated that I am in with Window-Eyes and that sounds like German-Italian in
> their ears.  All I need is help to have a particular app scripted for
> accessibility.  I sure hope they'll step up to the plate, not in 12 months
> or three years, but sooner.  I am also checking into Android apps!  If I
> find something there, I may not need the scripting afterall! 
> 
> Well, Dave, what can I say:  Just keep on trucking sire!  With luck on your
> side and mine, we'll find the next innovation.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado   
> 
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Re: Browse Mode, and missing characters

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

My question may not be helpful but is the same behavior exhibited by jfw
or  nvda?
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:01:24 +
David via Talk  wrote:

> This has been the case, ever since the new Browse mode was introduced. 
> And it happens on that many sites, that it would be strange to imagine 
> that I would be the only one struggling wwith the following issue. My 
> browser is set to automatically maximize any window, and hitting 
> Ctrl-Shift-T does confirm the window to be fully maximized.
> 
> 
> I would be reading a arbitrary website. It could be a newspaper article, 
> it could be an article on Wikipedia, it might be a product page of some 
> store, or it could be an advertisement on Ebay. Most cases all the text 
> will come through, and my reading is just fine. But all the sudden, the 
> screen reader cuts off the last character of each line. This is 
> annoying, to say the least, and could even lead to quite misinterpretted 
> text comprehension. There is, for instance, a big difference if a 
> product costs $165, or only $16 - all depending on whether the screen 
> reader will acknowledge the last character on the line.
> 
>   I even have seen several cases, where the page mainly reads just fine, 
> and only certain sections of the page have their characters cut off.
> 
> Every time a new version of WE is released, I hope for the lost 
> character issue to have been fixed. But so far, unfortunately the 
> characters still go for their lunch and holiday, anywhere in cyberspace. 
> With the more sofisticated speech synthesizers, a word with its last 
> character may be mispronounced, but you could live with that (somehow). 
> But other synthesizers, like the AT ones, will start spelling out 
> words that are not recognized as correctly spelled. Needless to tell you 
> all, it is eardropping and annoying, and definitely does not speed up 
> productivity having to guess every word that happens to end any line in 
> a more lengthy article.
> 
> Why does the new Browse mode do this kind of character cutting? Any 
> reason for it not to have been addressed yet?
> 
> I already stated that it happens this often, totally cross-domain, that 
> it puzzles me if noone else have seen the behavior. For whatever that 
> might be worth, I mainly use the latest version of Firefox, and have for 
> all the time of the new Browse mode, even long before that. Yet, the few 
> times I am in Internet explorer, I seem to remember the issue showing up 
> there as well, so would hold nothing against one browser over the other. 
> The issue does not exactly make my screen reader much reliable - the way 
> I understand the term "reliable".
> 
> Hope this can be addressed, and fixed before next release of the screen 
> reader.
> 
> Anyone having any experience if this behavior would be the case with any 
> of the other screen readers on the market?
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: Windows10 anniversary edition

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

that was a bit messy! hmm!
when I went back to paste into Becky, window-eyes did that "vertical
edit" thing it does sometimes so had to close and re-open Becky to get
that "vertical edit" control to disappear.
So, it should have looked like this:
About Windows
Microsoft Windows
Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.105)
© 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The Windows 10 Pro operating system and its user interface are protected
by trademark and other pending or existing intellectual property rights in 
the United States and other countries/regions.
This product is licensed under the Microsoft Software License
Terms to:
Curt
OK 
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:) hope that is better.
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 10:29:06 -0700
Curtis Delzer via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> 
> and the laAbout Windows
> Microsoft Windows
> Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.105)
> © 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
> The Windows 10 Pro operating system and its user interface are protected
> by trademark and other pending or existing intellectual property rights in 
> the United States and other countries/regions.
> This product is licensed under the Microsoft Software License
> Terms to:
> Curt
> OK test version with updates after the anniversary version says,
> with winver and using virtual view:
>   
> -
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> K6VFO
> San Bernardino, CA
> 
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:10:54 -0400
> Jim via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > You can tell when you get the update by doing the following, pressing the 
> > start key and type winver.  If it says ver 16 or higher then I do believe 
> > you have have the updated version, but if it says, 15.x then you do not.  I 
> > believe the updated version is currently 16.07-someone please correct me if 
> > I am wrong. I am still waiting for the update here too.  Catch Ya Later! de
> > 
> > .
> > 
> > 
> > On 03-Sep-16 12:14, Danny via Talk wrote:
> > > Eventually everyone will get it through update.  I saw a thing this > 
> > > week that said that only 20% of the 300 million users have received > the 
> > > update to this point.
> > >
> > > Danny
> > >
> > > -Original Message- From: Rusty Bourgoin via Talk
> > > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 12:57 PM
> > > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> > > Subject: Windows10 anniversary edition
> > >
> > > How does one get windows10 anniversary edition.  Is it downloaded and
> > > installed automatically if one is already running windows10 or must one
> > > manually get it.  Lastly, how can one verify that the running windows10
> > > installation is or is not the anniversary edition?  Any helpful > 
> > > knowledge is
> > > always appreciatdd.  Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Rusty
> > >
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Re: Windows10 anniversary edition

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and the laAbout Windows
Microsoft Windows
Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.105)
© 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The Windows 10 Pro operating system and its user interface are protected
by trademark and other pending or existing intellectual property rights in 
the United States and other countries/regions.
This product is licensed under the Microsoft Software License
Terms to:
Curt
OK test version with updates after the anniversary version says,
with winver and using virtual view:

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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:10:54 -0400
Jim via Talk  wrote:

> You can tell when you get the update by doing the following, pressing the 
> start key and type winver.  If it says ver 16 or higher then I do believe you 
> have have the updated version, but if it says, 15.x then you do not.  I 
> believe the updated version is currently 16.07-someone please correct me if I 
> am wrong. I am still waiting for the update here too.  Catch Ya Later! de
> 
> .
> 
> 
> On 03-Sep-16 12:14, Danny via Talk wrote:
> > Eventually everyone will get it through update.  I saw a thing this > week 
> > that said that only 20% of the 300 million users have received > the update 
> > to this point.
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Rusty Bourgoin via Talk
> > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2016 12:57 PM
> > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> > Subject: Windows10 anniversary edition
> >
> > How does one get windows10 anniversary edition.  Is it downloaded and
> > installed automatically if one is already running windows10 or must one
> > manually get it.  Lastly, how can one verify that the running windows10
> > installation is or is not the anniversary edition?  Any helpful > knowledge 
> > is
> > always appreciatdd.  Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Rusty
> >
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Re: Odd problem

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

One of the options from within Kurzweil is to shut down instead of just
exiting.
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 00:42:01 +
Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> I'm only guessing here, but I know you can configure Kurzweil to start with 
> Windows.
> Therefore, perhaps exiting Kurzweil would cause Windows to shut down.
> I have Kurzweil, and I haven't tried it yet, but that's my guess. Smile
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Wilkens via Talk
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 1:10 PM
> To: david pearson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Odd problem
> 
> Interesting.  How do you use Kurzweil to do a shutdown?
>  
> 
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:57 PM, david pearson via Talk 
>  wrote:
>  
> 
>  This only started happening after I installed Windows 10. When I shut down 
> the computer using the shut down menu. The next time I go to turn it on the 
> computer will lock up. Then I have to force a shut down and turn it back on 
> and it starts up just fine. So instead of going to the start menu, if I just 
> force a shut down it will start up without locking up the next time I start 
> it. Now I found that this situation is related to Window Eyes. When I 
> uninstall Window Eyes the computer turns on and off just fine. To make sure 
> Window Eyes is the culprit, I uninstalled window Eyes and installed it twice 
> with the same results. If you're wondering how I turn the computer off 
> without Window Eyes, I have Kurzweil 1000 and that program has speech and the 
> ability to turn off the computer. So what do you folks think the problem 
> could be? Thanks,
> 
> 
> Dave
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broken again! virtual view 5.04?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

the update broke my copy of virtual view in 2 ways; (1) control-alt-v
does nothing, and (2) the app does not show in the list of running apps,
only the potentially "deleteable" ones.

I cannot use the app at all now, though I re-installed from the web site
after uninstalling it.


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Thanks to Steve!

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

At ai-squared support, Steve, helped me get my issue with virtual view
handled. Maybe we'll get an update to that script today?
So, now I can read such as what is displayed below using virtual view.
Microsoft Windows
Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.10)
©  2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The Windows 10 Pro operating system and its user interface are protected
by trademark and other pending or existing intellectual property rights in 
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virtual view issue.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Hi. All I get when I attempt to use this script is, first "this script
needs to download extra files," or some such prompt, I say "yes," and I
get the error "failed validation," and the script aborts. This
is after uninstalling and re-installing the script from the app-get 1.24
script.
What do I do?

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Re: Need some advice

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I sure do want to know as well, to keep some of my clients informed who
keep asking me if they should . . .  etc.
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 20:14:31 -0500
Linette Sukup via Talk  wrote:

> 
> 
> Is this anniversary update the whole thing, that is, the entire Windows 10, 
> or just updates for the original?
> Just wondering.
> 
> Peace.
> Linette
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/4/2016 7:46 PM, Michael Massey via Talk wrote:
> > Hi, again, Rick.  I just wanted to chime in to let you know that you have
> > Mark Solomon's suggestion and mine, grin.  Pick whichever option you wish to
> > try.  Should you choose to wait for the update to automatically download and
> > install on your machine, let us know how it went.  Oh yeah, Mark, let us
> > know as well, grin.
> >
> > Mike M.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
> > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:00 PM
> > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> > Subject: Need some advice
> >
> > I tried to upgrade to the new windows 10 today and when I got to a certain
> > point I got the following message.  Display : The display is not compatible
> > with Windows 10. Check with the manufacturer for support.
> > What are my options here?  I do not want to buy a new pc just to upgrade.
> > Are there drivers that will work with this display that windows will work
> > with?  I have a hp desktop  that came with windows 8.0 and since I have
> > upgraded to windows 10.  I did not have this problem when updating then.
> > What do I need to do?  Thanks for any help here.  Rick
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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

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I tried, even with the video drivers' from both jfw and window-eyes
"neutralized" in device manager, using narrator and / or NVDA, but they
had to be un-installed before I had any joy yesterday. 
MicroSoft is sloppy too since someone should have known about this, in
fact staff at both VFO / AI-Squared should have known that windows' 7
updater as such from last year were using a version of the video
drivers that, though they work fine with the earlier version of windows
ten from last November, will not allow the install of the anniversary
update.
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:45:16 -0400
"Joseph Norton" <joseph.nor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting thing about that.  I used a copy of the tool I had downloaded a
> few months ago, and, it got the earlier version.  I had to go to MicroSoft
> and get the download from there, which gave me the latest version.
> 
> I can't say anything about my particular system, because I did a fresh
> install with the tool, and, didn't have anything other than narrator running
> when I upgraded.  I'm funny about how I do things like this.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:09 AM
> To: Don Smith <dsmith1...@cogeco.ca>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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> Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
> 
> I; hope that those who did run the tool got the latest updated windows. 
> -
> Curtis Delzer, HS.
> K6VFO
> San Bernardino, CA
> 
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:52:12 -0400
> Don Smith via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Gerry:
> > 
> > Ok, I am running windows 10, and we 9.51 And have downloaded the tool 
> > file from micro soft.
> > 
> > By just running the tool file, is that it and the download will start?
> > Thanks
> > Don
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Re: having trouble upgrading to Windows 10 anniversary

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

go to your control panel, device manager, and uninstall the window-eyes
driver which is still there. the un-install when it is an earlier
installation misses display driver though it gets all the rest of
window-eyes.
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On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 17:46:39 -0400
Loy via Talk  wrote:

> I uninstalled WE and ZT. I thought I was going to be able to install the 
> update. but after it downloaded the files and started the update, I got a 
> message that something went wrong and I should contact support.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: pete gurney via Talk 
>   To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 5:12 PM
>   Subject: Re: having trouble upgrading to Windows 10 anniversary
> 
> 
>   hi chris,
> 
>   you said that window-eyes 9.51 should work when doing the update but it
>   certainly didn't for me, i still had to remove the window-eyes driver
>   before i could install the windows 10 update.
> 
>   pete.
> 
>   -- 
>   pete gurney 
> 
>   On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:31:32 +
>   Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:
> 
>   > As Steve stated in another message you need the latest Zoomtext . 
> Window-eyes 9.5.1 should work fine during the upgrades.
>   > JAWS just had an update yesterday or Monday that should work under the 
> anniversary edition as well.
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Ai Squared Support
>   > Ai Squared
>   > 725 Airport North Office Park
>   > Fort Wayne, IN 46825
>   > (802) 362-3612
>   > www.aisquared.com
>   > 
>   > 
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
>   > Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 2:52 PM
>   > To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
>   > Subject: Re: having trouble upgrading to Windows 10 anniversary
>   > 
>   > Hey, maybe this is how they are figuring out who has assistive 
>   > technology or not .
>   > 
>   > On 8/3/2016 1:42 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>   > > Hi Chris
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > I hope it shows up for you soon.  Re this whole thing of uninstalling
>   > > the window-eyes display driver, is it an easy process?   Believe me i am
>   > > not looking forward to a complicated process if all i want to do is
>   > > upgrade to the latest windows. Clearly Microsoft did not test for
>   > > accessibility, if many screenreaders are having this issue.
>   > >
>   > >  The way I see it is my pc works fine now just as it should, and if i
>   > > have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get an update, I think i'll
>   > > wait til such time as the update process can be more robust.  We should
>   > > not have to modify or uninstall our adaptive software to install a major
>   > > Windows update. Microsoft really needs to get on the ball about this so
>   > > that people don't have to be geeks.  it should just work.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > On 8/3/2016 2:20 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:
>   > >> I haven't seen it come in on my tablet.  I'm going to wait until it
>   > >> gets pushed to me.
>   > >> My tablet was running Novembers Windows 10.
>   > >>
>   > >> Chris
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >> Ai Squared Support
>   > >> Ai Squared
>   > >> 725 Airport North Office Park
>   > >> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
>   > >> (802) 362-3612
>   > >> www.aisquared.com
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >> -Original Message-
>   > >> From: Talk
>   > >> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
>   > >> On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
>   > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 2:13 PM
>   > >> To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   > >> 
>   > >> Subject: Re: having trouble upgrading to Windows 10 anniversary
>   > >>
>   > >> Hi there!
>   > >>
>   > >> Wonder where you downloaded the windows 10 UpGrade assistant? I would
>   > >> like to give the anaversery update a try.  Am currently running windows
>   > >> 10 and have had it for several months now.  Please advise?
>   > >>
>   > >> Thanks Much! de
>   > >>
>   > >> .
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >> On 03-Aug-16 08:33, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote:
>   > >>> Wow, another one.--Matthew Chao
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   > >>> On 8/3/2016 12:06 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
>   >  i got the same thing on my 5 year old gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3 
> motherboard.
>   >  last years version of windows 10 is running fine and i tried the
>   >  device manager to see if it could find another driver but it says the
>   >  one i have now is the best driver. version 9.17.1334
>   >  the gigabyte site is not very accessible. its better then it was. it
>   >  use to be a full screen flash. with embedded links.
>   > 
>   >  -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad 

Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I; hope that those who did run the tool got the latest updated windows. 
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:52:12 -0400
Don Smith via Talk  wrote:

> Hi Gerry:
> 
> Ok, I am running windows 10, and we 9.51
> And have downloaded the tool file from micro soft.
> 
> By just running the tool file, is that it and the download will start?
> Thanks
> Don
> 
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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Chris, as you know I was using window-eyes 9.5.10, and the issue is that
I had run the install  for window-eyes 8.0 which was the base install
for my 9.5.10. I found this out when I uninstalled last night for the
first time. In that way I found out that the installer did not remove my
we display driver at all. Many of us customers updated from windows 7 to
ten initially last July, 2015, so we have to remove window-eyes
including deleting the drivers from within control panel and device
manager. I was only able to update to the current windows anniversary
update after I did this. 
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:34:00 +
Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:

> Make sure you are using the latest Zoomtext released yesterday and 
> Window-eyes 9.5.1.
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Ai Squared Support
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:39 PM
> To: pete gurney ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> ; Chris Skarstad 
> Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
> 
> OK, and please. Where do you go to find out if you have this troublesome 
> display driver, and what is the safest way to uninstall.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
> 
> On 8/3/2016 12:01 PM, pete gurney via Talk wrote:
> > hi chris,
> >
> > unfortunately, to install the anniversary update you need to uninstall
> > the window-eyes display driver and any freedom scientific drivers that
> > you have installed before it will go ahead.
> > thankfully the free screen reader NVDA will continue to work for you
> > while you get the update started.
> >
> > pete.
> >
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Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I tried that, disabled the display drivers for both window-eyes and jfw
but the pesky program would not update until I deleted them.
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K6VFO
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On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 11:52:35 -0700
Armando Maldonado via Talk  wrote:

> Go into your device manager, display, and disable the display driver
> associated with Window-Eyes, this will fool the computer you uninstalled it
> and run the updater again. Make sure you have either NVDA or Narrator
> running so you do not lose speech. Once installed, then go back to device
> manager and enable the display driver, hope this works.
> For those who have yet received the Anniversary upgrade, this is what I
> found on the google search and am currently running the update.
> Windows10Upgrade9252 is your friend.
> Best, Armando
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+armando.maldonado0767=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: pete gurney; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Chris Skarstad
> Subject: Re: still no luck updating to Win 10 anniversary edition
> 
> OK, and please. Where do you go to find out if you have this troublesome 
> display driver, and what is the safest way to uninstall.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
> 
> On 8/3/2016 12:01 PM, pete gurney via Talk wrote:
> > hi chris,
> >
> > unfortunately, to install the anniversary update you need to uninstall
> > the window-eyes display driver and any freedom scientific drivers that
> > you have installed before it will go ahead.
> > thankfully the free screen reader NVDA will continue to work for you
> > while you get the update started.
> >
> > pete.
> >
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anniversary update, issues!

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

P038292400 
Ok, well someone sure did drop the ball both at ai-squared and VFO,
since I had to uninstall both programs, Window-Eyes 9.510 and jfw 17 in
order to get the windows ten anniversary update. Display drivers had
uninstalled, or the new installation of WE or JFW saw those drivers and
figured they were there so were good enough or something. Suffice to say
windows ten and made sure that both drivers were not there, only then
could I install the update. Now, my issue is this; my window-eyes 9.4
(with serial number from CD) is corrupt, I did have a 9.3.1 version but
it will not install due to many errors, though it did with the earlier
build of windows last night, but not today so I need my latest cd
generated.  
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vertical edit?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Hi! Many times in Becky, my copy of window-eyes comes up saying that the
screen is in "vertical edit," mode. I must re-start Becky to fix this. 
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Re: true multi-track audio editerrs

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

gold wave is not multi-track, only 2 channel. Audacity is multi track.
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:05:02 -0400
Jed Barton via Talk  wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, so i need some input here.  What are people using for a true multi-track 
> editer?  Is goldwave pretty much the verdict?  I would like some input on 
> what is compatable with window-eyes.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jed
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Re: adobe audition and window-eyes

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I wish to add one very accessible sound editing program to Steve's
comprehensive and quite meaningful and thorough discussion. That is
studio recorder from APH.
That one is  completely accessible, including making sounds for overload
in it's "clipping when overload" occurs for your input sound. All it
does not have is any kind of noise reduction like Sound Forge, Gold
Wave, Audacity, and others but it is intended for the spoken word,
though certainly you can record and edit music with it just as easily.
Lately there are new and fantastic scripts written for Sound Forge pro
v11, but there we're talking about an expensive package.
Studio Recorder is, $200.

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Re: one time only

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

hp4000.
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Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:00:20 -0500
Linette Sukup via Talk  wrote:

> 
> 
> I know that this is majorly off-topic, but the info was given on this list, 
> so I'm asking it here. Anyone who knows can write to me off-list.
> What is the name of the inexpensive iPhone keyboard that can be ordered from 
> Amazon? I believe that part of the name was Basics. Is there also a model 
> number that I should know?
> Thank you.
> 
> Peace.
> Linette
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Re: Nero?

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

AnyBurn is great, except: how do you keep a file saving what you've
created to make future copies?
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K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA

On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:21:43 -0500
Larry Higgins via Talk  wrote:

> Another program you might look into is one called Anyburn. I don't 
> immediately have the URL to locate the program, but a simple Google search 
> for "anyburn should quickly find it.
> 
> I used Nero for years, and though it was simple enough for burning audio 
> files to cds, this program is at least as simple to use, and much smaller. 
> Just a basic utility with a few little extras thrown in, like being able to 
> rip from cds, but I really haven't put that one to the test. Written with 
> screen reader users in mind, and it is free.
> 
> Give it a go,
> 
> Larry
> 
> On 7/25/2016 1:23 AM, Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk wrote:
> > HI David,
> >
> > In the past I also was fond of Nero, but the I discovered the Infrarecorder 
> > which does what I need i much more simple way and it is also fully 
> > accessible with screen readers. If you interested, check:
> >
> > http/www.infrarecorder.org
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Micallef
> > Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
> > and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment
> >
> > Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)
> >
> > Email:
> > Office:
> > URL:
> > FB:
> > michael.mical...@gov.mt
> > +356 2599 2343
> > http://www.fitamalta.eu
> > http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx
> >
> > Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this 
> > e-mail
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk 
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> > Behalf Of David via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2016 23:44
> > To: WE English Mailinglist
> > Subject: Nero?
> >
> > In the old days, that is  like 10 years ago, I used to have a version of
> > Nero installed. Think it was version 5 or 6. It was a quite nice tool
> > for ripping and burning CDs, but it also included a tiny recording
> > software, with some really good noise handling features. I do not know
> > where my disk with that version of Nero ever ended up in the archives
> > here, and my guess is that it would maybe not work under modern versions
> > of Windows either. Used to run it under 98SE, and later on under XP.
> >
> > For some reasons, I signed up for the newsletter from Nero sometime
> > through those years. And I now keep receiving their offerings on new
> > versions of Nero. Seems they do like any other software developer these
> > days, reasoning that their particular software is going to be the one
> > and only the globe ever will need, speckling it with more or less needed
> > and wanted new features. I have been reluctant in taking any chance on
> > the software updates offered, and for many years now been using other
> > third-party software for my tasks.
> >
> > Yet, I was wondering if any of you out there, would happen to be using
> > newer versions of the NERO suite. If so, which version are you using,
> > what are you using it for, and how accessible is it now aday? Any
> > feedback the list members could offer me, would be appreciated, as it
> > might help me to make an informed decision what to do about any of the
> > Nero products.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: Wimamp problem

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

try adjusting winamp while it is playing inside the volume mixer. That
gets turned down individually sometimes in spite of the arrow condition
within winamp.
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:01:00 -0700
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> I installed winamp on this new windows 10 computer.  Here’s the problem I’m 
> having.  When I play a audio file with winanp, it’s audio levelplays at a 
> much lower volume than windows media player, itunes and groove music.  I used 
> the up arrow in winamp to increase the volume to it’s maximum level.
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Fw: [TechTalk] Scamming The Scammers

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Hi guys and ladies. this is a good listen to someone who definitely
scammed the scammers who call purporting to be windows' support personnel. 
Circulate far and wide, you'll see why if you listen to the link.
Forwarded by Curtis Delzer 
--- Original Message ---
 From:"Mike B." 
 To:  m...@techtalk.groups.io
 Date:Mon, 6 Jun 2016 15:22:37 -0700
 Subject: [TechTalk] Scamming The Scammers


Hi All,

For those that Haven't heard this yet.  Have a listen to the following link. 
It's a recorded & videoed conversation of 1 of these people that calls & 
claims to be from Microsoft, or whatever reputable company, & wants to get 
on your computer, to "Fix it".
Recorded by a very tecky gentleman with the Federal Trade Commission, who 
really knew how to record it all!
Pass it on to friends and family, a very important lesson to be learned 
here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQoAlQrnSg

Take care.
Mike
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! It comes bundled with the software.  Go Dodgers! 

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virus software.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I did have NOD32, but lapsed a few years ago, but am willing to try
something else. I apparently may have a problem, :) and need a virus
solution other than windows defender for this weird problem I have.
would you recommend what you like and why? 

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if any issues downloading WebVisum.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Just reply to my inbox, and I'll attach the file to an email for you. It
is definitely small enough.
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Fire Fox web visum file, right here.

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

Just click on this link, and the 250K file should download to your
browser, FireFox, or, right click and save the file somewhere, or,
run it.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4910953/webvisum-0.9.2-fx.xpi
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Re: Firefox and Web Visum

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

nope, looks like the list did strip the attachment.
I will put it in the public drop box which I do have.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4910953/webvisum-0.9.2-fx.xpi

you should be able to get it from there, now.

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San Bernardino, CA

On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:15:18 -0700
Curtis Delzer via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I have it, right here.
> this version if the list will allow a tiny 250K attachment, does work
> with fire fox 47. I have it working here.
> 
> -
> Curtis Delzer, HS.
> K6VFO
> San Bernardino, CA
> 
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:54:28 -0500
> Tom Fairhurst via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> > I am using Firefox 47 with WE 9.4 with Windows 7 64-bit Pro. Can anyone use 
> > Web Visum any more? Firefox prevents the installation of the add-on so I 
> > attempt to press the Allow button. Window-Eyes does not read it properly. I 
> > have no idea whether the stupid thing actually downloads. I do know that 
> > Web Visum is not working and is not in the Tools menu. I have uninstalled 
> > and reinstalled Firefox. Furthermore, when I try to open about:config to 
> > perform the hack suggested by a lister in the past, the program stops 
> > responding. I have written the goons at Web Visum, but they have not 
> > written back. I’m sure they believe that it is a firefox problem, which it 
> > probably is.Please help.
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Re: Firefox and Web Visum

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

I have it, right here.
this version if the list will allow a tiny 250K attachment, does work
with fire fox 47. I have it working here.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:54:28 -0500
Tom Fairhurst via Talk  wrote:

> I am using Firefox 47 with WE 9.4 with Windows 7 64-bit Pro. Can anyone use 
> Web Visum any more? Firefox prevents the installation of the add-on so I 
> attempt to press the Allow button. Window-Eyes does not read it properly. I 
> have no idea whether the stupid thing actually downloads. I do know that Web 
> Visum is not working and is not in the Tools menu. I have uninstalled and 
> reinstalled Firefox. Furthermore, when I try to open about:config to perform 
> the hack suggested by a lister in the past, the program stops responding. I 
> have written the goons at Web Visum, but they have not written back. I’m sure 
> they believe that it is a firefox problem, which it probably is.Please help.
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Re: OT: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where ever

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

you need to handle a capcha for that.
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San Bernardino, CA

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:25:59 -0500
Tom Fairhurst via Talk  wrote:

> I haven't actually tried this yet, but I'm thinking about it. Paste the url 
> below into your web browser and check it out. I'm not sure it works on cell 
> phones yet or with wireless companies but definitely on land lines.
> 
> https://www.nomorobo.com/
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:22 PM
> To: A I Squared Support
> Subject: OT: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where ever
> 
> Hello,
> 
> On my last system, a Win 7 system, it seemed when ever I started up my
> computer, shortly after, I would receive a call from a person telling me
> they were from the Windows Technical Service, or something like that.
> So far,every call, which are probably two or three dozen by now, have all been
> from people with thick accents from some far away place.
> 
> I knew these guys were up to no good, but I would like to get rid of
> them calling me.
> 
> Thought when I change systems, I would sease getting these calls.  Not
> so.
> 
> I have Software to rid my system of viruses and Malware, but still these
> folks keep calling.
> 
> Anyone here find a solution to stop these people from calling?
> 
> I have started to play along to see what they will do.  Even I need
> entertainment.
> 
> But, I am getting bored and they amazingly seem to really get upset when
> they find out I've been playing them along.totally halairious at
> times, but now I really just need to stop the calls.
> 
> Anyone have good advice?
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
> -- Dave 
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Re: OT: Annoying Window Technical Service Calls from India or where ever

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

it is, simply bull sh*t, pure and simple.
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:22:42 -0700
Dave via Talk  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On my last system, a Win 7 system, it seemed when ever I started up my
> computer, shortly after, I would receive a call from a person telling me
> they were from the Windows Technical Service, or something like that. 
> So far,every call, which are probably two or three dozen by now, have all been
> from people with thick accents from some far away place.  
> 
> I knew these guys were up to no good, but I would like to get rid of
> them calling me.
> 
> Thought when I change systems, I would sease getting these calls.  Not
> so.  
> 
> I have Software to rid my system of viruses and Malware, but still these
> folks keep calling.  
> 
> Anyone here find a solution to stop these people from calling?
> 
> I have started to play along to see what they will do.  Even I need
> entertainment.  
> 
> But, I am getting bored and they amazingly seem to really get upset when
> they find out I've been playing them along.totally halairious at
> times, but now I really just need to stop the calls.  
> 
> Anyone have good advice?
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dave 
> 
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