RE: Observations

[Thomas N. Chan via Talk]

That’s where the problem with jaws as far as I am concern, jaws can't read 
those message like WE does.
Even if you open the conversation and move down and see who posted in the same 
subject, jaws don't read those preview messages despite window-eyes read them.
Even NVDA read those preview messages
Nothing to do with preview pane if you have use outlook as long as I do.



regards
Thomas N. Chan 
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On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2017 8:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Van Lant, Robin <robin_van_l...@key.com>
Subject: RE: Observations

The only way I survive any of these lists is by using the conversation view in 
Outlook.  I have each group list automatically go into a respective folder and 
then have the message grouped by conversation thread with the subject line read 
first so that I can quickly delete topics.  I am so grateful for several lists 
for technical help.   





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On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Brenda via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Observations

I'm with you, Brenda. I'm only on this and another low traffic list and 
sometimes struggle to keep up. I joined the NVDA list a week or two ago and 
lasted one afternoon. It was an endless stream of pointless posts. I think some 
people live on mailing lists. How sad.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 3:51 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not 
> interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit 
> that often.
> 
> today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see 
> this list being active with a variety of people participating.
> 
> I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can 
> get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws 
> list but I can't spend my day reading emails.
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Re: Observations

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Brenda:

I understand what you mean about the JAWS list.  I was on that list
for a few months and unsubscribed from it for that verry same reason.

Kevin Huber

On 11/29/17, Brenda via Talk  wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not
> interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit
> that often.
>
> today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see
> this list being active with a variety of people participating.
>
> I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can
> get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws
> list but I can't spend my day reading emails.
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RE: Observations

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

The only way I survive any of these lists is by using the conversation view in 
Outlook.  I have each group list automatically go into a respective folder and 
then have the message grouped by conversation thread with the subject line read 
first so that I can quickly delete topics.  I am so grateful for several lists 
for technical help.   





-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Brenda via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Observations

I'm with you, Brenda. I'm only on this and another low traffic list and 
sometimes struggle to keep up. I joined the NVDA list a week or two ago and 
lasted one afternoon. It was an endless stream of pointless posts. I think some 
people live on mailing lists. How sad.
Regards,
Tom


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> Hi List,
> 
> I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not 
> interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit 
> that often.
> 
> today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see 
> this list being active with a variety of people participating.
> 
> I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can 
> get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws 
> list but I can't spend my day reading emails.
> 
> Brenda
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Re: Observations

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I'm with you, Brenda. I'm only on this and another low traffic list and 
sometimes struggle to keep up. I joined the NVDA list a week or two ago 
and lasted one afternoon. It was an endless stream of pointless posts. I 
think some people live on mailing lists. How sad.

Regards,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 3:51 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hi List,

I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not 
interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit 
that often.


today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see 
this list being active with a variety of people participating.


I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can 
get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws 
list but I can't spend my day reading emails.


Brenda
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Observations

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi List,

I usually check email on my iPhone, deleting those with topics I'm not 
interested in or saving them to reply to on my pc which I  don't visit 
that often.


today as I went through my email on my desktop it was so nice to see 
this list being active with a variety of people participating.


I'm glad Window-eyes is still hanging in there but I'm also glad I can 
get jaws help from a Window-eyes prospective. I know there is a jaws 
list but I can't spend my day reading emails.


Brenda
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Re: jaws observations.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Wow, another artic vision user.  Did you ever log into the artic 
technology's bbs?


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws observations.

My first screenreader the Commission gave me was called articvision.  I
thought they were going to give me Vert Plus.  My first windows screenreader
was called Window Bridge.  The windows computer and screenreader didn't come
from the Commission.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws observations.

As a good friend told me: Several screen readers battled for supremacy in
North America at the end of the last century and the beginning of this one,
and now JAWS is the only one still  standing.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

So true, but don't you remember from the good old days.  Jaws is the
screen reader built by God, there is none better.  Thou shalt not put
other screen readers before me.  There are always things that one screen
reader does better.  Doug has always said that.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 22 May 2017, Steve
Nutt via Talk wrote:


Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion

List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let 
me

ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you 
push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work 
around

you ask here or on another list.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start 
again

with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
Cheers Michael.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

A guy who was helping me with something on the phone years ago kept saying 
he wished I had jaws, because he kept telling me window eyes was "just 
crazy!"  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:44 AM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws observations.

Hi Charles:

It is interesting that you say Window-eyes is more intuitive.  Of
course, I tend to agree with you after Window-eyes has been my main
screen reader for fifteen years, but I have heard several longtime
JAWS users say that JAWS is more intuitive than Woindow-eyes, so the
word intuiitive is a relative term I guess.

Kevin Huber


On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the
voice pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some
of the features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its 
only

been a week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start
again with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
Cheers Michael.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

My first screenreader the Commission gave me was called articvision.  I 
thought they were going to give me Vert Plus.  My first windows screenreader 
was called Window Bridge.  The windows computer and screenreader didn't come 
from the Commission.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws observations.

As a good friend told me: Several screen readers battled for supremacy in
North America at the end of the last century and the beginning of this one,
and now JAWS is the only one still  standing.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

So true, but don't you remember from the good old days.  Jaws is the
screen reader built by God, there is none better.  Thou shalt not put
other screen readers before me.  There are always things that one screen
reader does better.  Doug has always said that.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
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On Mon, 22 May 2017, Steve
Nutt via Talk wrote:


Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion

List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let 
me

ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you 
push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work 
around

you ask here or on another list.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start 
again

with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Loy via Talk]

I've been a WE user for about 15 years.  before that I had enough sight to use 
a computer without a screen reader. I tried JAWS and WE demos and at that time 
found that Window Eyes was much easier, navigation was more logical to me than 
JAWS. I plan to keep using WE as long as I can and I'm going to install JAWS 
and see if I can learn it while still using WE.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Huber via Talk 
  To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:44 AM
  Subject: Re: jaws observations.


  Hi Charles:

  It is interesting that you say Window-eyes is more intuitive.  Of
  course, I tend to agree with you after Window-eyes has been my main
  screen reader for fifteen years, but I have heard several longtime
  JAWS users say that JAWS is more intuitive than Woindow-eyes, so the
  word intuiitive is a relative term I guess.

  Kevin Huber


  On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  > Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the
  > voice pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some
  > of the features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its only
  > been a week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration.
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >> On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk
  >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
  >> yet.
  >> Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
  >> I find jaws quiet stable so far.
  >> I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start
  >> again with the hot key.
  >> The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
  >> Cheers Michael.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Charles:

It is interesting that you say Window-eyes is more intuitive.  Of
course, I tend to agree with you after Window-eyes has been my main
screen reader for fifteen years, but I have heard several longtime
JAWS users say that JAWS is more intuitive than Woindow-eyes, so the
word intuiitive is a relative term I guess.

Kevin Huber


On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:
> Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the
> voice pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some
> of the features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its only
> been a week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
>> yet.
>> Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
>> I find jaws quiet stable so far.
>> I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start
>> again with the hot key.
>> The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
>> Cheers Michael.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

As a good friend told me: Several screen readers battled for supremacy in 
North America at the end of the last century and the beginning of this one, 
and now JAWS is the only one still  standing.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

So true, but don't you remember from the good old days.  Jaws is the
screen reader built by God, there is none better.  Thou shalt not put
other screen readers before me.  There are always things that one screen
reader does better.  Doug has always said that.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 22 May 2017, Steve
Nutt via Talk wrote:


Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion

List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let 
me

ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you 
push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work 
around

you ask here or on another list.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start 
again

with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
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RE: jaws observations.

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

So true, but don't you remember from the good old days.  Jaws is the 
screen reader built by God, there is none better.  Thou shalt not put 
other screen readers before me.  There are always things that one screen 
reader does better.  Doug has always said that.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 22 May 2017, Steve 
Nutt via Talk wrote:



Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let me
ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work around
you ask here or on another list.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start again
with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
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RE: jaws observations.

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' <michaelandjea...@aapt.net.au>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let me
ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work around
you ask here or on another list.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start again
with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
Cheers Michael. 
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RE: jaws observations.

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let me
ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work around
you ask here or on another list.

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On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start again
with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Charles Adkins via Talk]

Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the voice 
pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some of the 
features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its only been a 
week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems yet.
> Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
> I find jaws quiet stable so far.
> I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start again 
> with the hot key.
> The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
> Cheers Michael. 
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jaws observations.

[michaels mail via Talk]

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start again 
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Re: observations of anniversary win 10.

[Bob Tinney via Talk]

Hi,


I had to use the Microsoft media creation tool to force my older desktop 
to upgrade.  Thanks to NetBat, I was able to install the anniversary 
addition without a problem.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 8/5/2016 6:00 AM, michaeel's mail via Talk wrote:

Hi guys i have noticed in the new win 10 if you press windows key plus I to go 
to settings you have to press tab now to get in to the list of options in 
settings.
And if you click system from that list you have to press tab again to be able 
to arrow through the options.
Before the update you could go to setings and just arrow around.
And i wonder how Microsoft will work out wich computers will get the update 
first.
I found that my new HP notebook wich came with windows 10 it got the update as 
soon as i checked for updates.
But on my Dell notebook and HP desktop that came with windows 8.1 and i updated 
to win 10 are not seeing the update yet.
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RE: observations of anniversary win 10.

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
Because you are focused in the search edit box instead of having to tab to the 
search edit box to start searching.
Chris


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On Behalf Of michaeel's mail via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 6:01 AM
To: window eyes help list <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: observations of anniversary win 10.

Hi guys i have noticed in the new win 10 if you press windows key plus I to go 
to settings you have to press tab now to get in to the list of options in 
settings.
And if you click system from that list you have to press tab again to be able 
to arrow through the options.
Before the update you could go to setings and just arrow around.
And i wonder how Microsoft will work out wich computers will get the update 
first.
I found that my new HP notebook wich came with windows 10 it got the update as 
soon as i checked for updates.
But on my Dell notebook and HP desktop that came with windows 8.1 and i updated 
to win 10 are not seeing the update yet.
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observations of anniversary win 10.

[michaeel's mail via Talk]

Hi guys i have noticed in the new win 10 if you press windows key plus I to go 
to settings you have to press tab now to get in to the list of options in 
settings.
And if you click system from that list you have to press tab again to be able 
to arrow through the options.
Before the update you could go to setings and just arrow around.
And i wonder how Microsoft will work out wich computers will get the update 
first.
I found that my new HP notebook wich came with windows 10 it got the update as 
soon as i checked for updates.
But on my Dell notebook and HP desktop that came with windows 8.1 and i updated 
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Fw: Q Read Observations

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I have fixed things. I refreshed my accessibility libraries and rebooted. 
Read to End works now, and Control=Shift+R works just fine. I haven't tried 
having Q Read read the PDF, but it really doesn't matter so much.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:09 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Fw: Q Read Observations

I do have Window-Eyes set up to read the entire page globaly. I also notice 
that Read-To-End doesn’t work. I changed it from the default hotkey to 
Control+Shift+Enter, and it still does nothing.The only way I get any 
reading is with Control+Shift+S of if I have Q Read actually speak it. While 
I don’t mind the voice, I only have one option:  Anna English. I guess there 
is no way to add voices. Don’t get me wrong, I can read documents, but it 
seems harder than it should be.When I use Control_Shift+S to read the 
screen, it doesn’t start reading at the cursor, but rather, I guess, at the 
top of the screen or the top of text displayed.


From: Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Q Read Observations

I am using Q read with Window-Eyes 9.4, on a Windows 7 6-bit Pro PC. I have 
noticed that when I read a PDF using Window-Eyes, that the document reads 
only so far and stops. I must push the PGDN key to move forward. Then I 
press Control+Shift+S to read further. These blocks of text I read do not 
correspond with the pages in the PDF document. I realize this may be a PDF 
issue. When I have Q Read read the document, the speech is very choppy, 
especially if I have the rate set too high, for example, 60. Inno wayare 
these show stoppers, but any help would be appreciated.

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Fw: Q Read Observations

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I do have Window-Eyes set up to read the entire page globaly. I also notice 
that Read-To-End doesn’t work. I changed it from the default hotkey to 
Control+Shift+Enter, and it still does nothing.The only way I get any reading 
is with Control+Shift+S of if I have Q Read actually speak it. While I don’t 
mind the voice, I only have one option:  Anna English. I guess there is no way 
to add voices. Don’t get me wrong, I can read documents, but it seems harder 
than it should be.When I use Control_Shift+S to read the screen, it doesn’t 
start reading at the cursor, but rather, I guess, at the top of the screen or 
the top of text displayed.

From: Tom Fairhurst 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 2:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Q Read Observations

I am using Q read with Window-Eyes 9.4, on a Windows 7 6-bit Pro PC. I have 
noticed that when I read a PDF using Window-Eyes, that the document reads only 
so far and stops. I must push the PGDN key to move forward. Then I press 
Control+Shift+S to read further. These blocks of text I read do not correspond 
with the pages in the PDF document. I realize this may be a PDF issue. When I 
have Q Read read the document, the speech is very choppy, especially if I have 
the rate set too high, for example, 60. Inno wayare these show stoppers, but 
any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Q Read Observations

[Edward Green via Talk]

Hi Tom,

I suspect Window-Eyes may be reading the first 24 lines of the PDF, as it does 
when content displayed in browse mode (such as webpages) loads.  You may be 
able to change this in the verbosity settings so that it reads the entire 
document, but am away from my PC at the moment so am unable to check.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 2 Jul 2016, at 20:01, Tom Fairhurst via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
> I am using Q read with Window-Eyes 9.4, on a Windows 7 6-bit Pro PC. I have 
> noticed that when I read a PDF using Window-Eyes, that the document reads 
> only so far and stops. I must push the PGDN key to move forward. Then I press 
> Control+Shift+S to read further. These blocks of text I read do not 
> correspond with the pages in the PDF document. I realize this may be a PDF 
> issue. When I have Q Read read the document, the speech is very choppy, 
> especially if I have the rate set too high, for example, 60. Inno wayare 
> these show stoppers, but any help would be appreciated.
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Q Read Observations

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

I am using Q read with Window-Eyes 9.4, on a Windows 7 6-bit Pro PC. I have 
noticed that when I read a PDF using Window-Eyes, that the document reads only 
so far and stops. I must push the PGDN key to move forward. Then I press 
Control+Shift+S to read further. These blocks of text I read do not correspond 
with the pages in the PDF document. I realize this may be a PDF issue. When I 
have Q Read read the document, the speech is very choppy, especially if I have 
the rate set too high, for example, 60. Inno wayare these show stoppers, but 
any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk]

Thank you for this.  I don't need the number right this very second, but I'm 
glad to now have it on hand.


Much appreciated!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: Pamela Dominguez geo...@optonline.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com; Nick Sarames nicksara...@msn.com

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2



Hello,

The number for the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk in North America is 
(1) 800-936-5900.


Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:55 AM
To: Nick Sarames nicksara...@msn.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Subject: Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

I think I remember it as 5900, although there may be more than one because
of more than one line.  But 5900 are the last four digits I mainly 
remember.

Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:17 PM
To: Milton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

I believe the number is:

(800) 936-5800

On 8/4/2015 8:27 PM, Milton via Talk wrote:

Do you have the phone number for Microsoft assibily desk?

-Original Message- From: Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
complaints.  They are observations.



I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 begin 
to

speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but
didn't
pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I happened
to
check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed updates
of
Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now
hearing
what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it 
for

a
similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The 
Window-eyes

sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the Window-eyes
9.2
upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and generated
a
Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
Thanks.  ?



Mike M.

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Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I think I remember it as 5900, although there may be more than one because 
of more than one line.  But 5900 are the last four digits I mainly remember. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:17 PM
To: Milton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

I believe the number is:

(800) 936-5800

On 8/4/2015 8:27 PM, Milton via Talk wrote:

Do you have the phone number for Microsoft assibily desk?

-Original Message- From: Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
complaints.  They are observations.



I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 begin to
speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but 
didn't
pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I happened 
to
check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed updates 
of

Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now 
hearing

what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it for 
a

similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The Window-eyes
sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the Window-eyes 
9.2
upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and generated 
a

Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
Thanks.  ?



Mike M.

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RE: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Steve Clower via Talk]

Hello,

The number for the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk in North America is (1) 
800-936-5900.

Steve


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 8:55 AM
To: Nick Sarames nicksara...@msn.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

I think I remember it as 5900, although there may be more than one because 
of more than one line.  But 5900 are the last four digits I mainly remember. 
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:17 PM
To: Milton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

I believe the number is:

(800) 936-5800

On 8/4/2015 8:27 PM, Milton via Talk wrote:
 Do you have the phone number for Microsoft assibily desk?

 -Original Message- From: Michael Massey via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:12 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

 Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
 complaints.  They are observations.



 I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
 computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
 Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 begin to
 speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but 
 didn't
 pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I happened 
 to
 check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed updates 
 of
 Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
 answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now 
 hearing
 what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
 very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



 Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
 representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it for 
 a
 similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
 Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The Window-eyes
 sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the Window-eyes 
 9.2
 upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and generated 
 a
 Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
 upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
 downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
 Thanks.  ?



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RE: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Alex yray via Talk]

I believe the correct number is 800-936-5900.  I have spoken with them
numerous times and they are great with the help!

Aloha,

Alex

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+alex.liberty=hawaii.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:18 PM
To: Milton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

I believe the number is:

(800) 936-5800

On 8/4/2015 8:27 PM, Milton via Talk wrote:
 Do you have the phone number for Microsoft assibily desk?

 -Original Message- From: Michael Massey via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:12 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

 Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
 complaints.  They are observations.



 I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
 computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
 Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 
 begin to
 speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but 
 didn't
 pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I 
 happened to
 check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed 
 updates of
 Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
 answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now 
 hearing
 what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
 very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



 Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
 representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it 
 for a
 similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
 Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The 
 Window-eyes
 sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the 
 Window-eyes 9.2
 upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and 
 generated a
 Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
 upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
 downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
 Thanks.  ?



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RE: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Michael Massey via Talk]

Correction.  The number is 1-800936-5900.  

Mike M. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+massey52=q@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 8:18 PM
To: Milton mdi...@rochester.rr.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

I believe the number is:

(800) 936-5800

On 8/4/2015 8:27 PM, Milton via Talk wrote:
 Do you have the phone number for Microsoft assibily desk?

 -Original Message- From: Michael Massey via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:12 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

 Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
 complaints.  They are observations.



 I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
 computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
 Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 
 begin to
 speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but 
 didn't
 pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I 
 happened to
 check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed 
 updates of
 Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
 answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now 
 hearing
 what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
 very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



 Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
 representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it 
 for a
 similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
 Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The 
 Window-eyes
 sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the 
 Window-eyes 9.2
 upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and 
 generated a
 Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
 upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
 downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
 Thanks.  ?



 Mike M.

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Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

I believe the number is:

(800) 936-5800

On 8/4/2015 8:27 PM, Milton via Talk wrote:

Do you have the phone number for Microsoft assibily desk?

-Original Message- From: Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
complaints.  They are observations.



I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 
begin to
speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but 
didn't
pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I 
happened to
check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed 
updates of

Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now 
hearing

what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it 
for a

similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The 
Window-eyes
sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the 
Window-eyes 9.2
upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and 
generated a

Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
Thanks.  ?



Mike M.

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Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Milton via Talk]

Do you have the phone number for Microsoft assibily desk?

-Original Message- 
From: Michael Massey via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
complaints.  They are observations.



I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 begin to
speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but didn't
pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I happened to
check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed updates of
Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now hearing
what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it for a
similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The Window-eyes
sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the Window-eyes 9.2
upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and generated a
Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
Thanks.  ?



Mike M.

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Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Michael Massey via Talk]

Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
complaints.  They are observations.  

 

I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 begin to
speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but didn't
pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I happened to
check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed updates of
Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now hearing
what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.  

 

Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it for a
similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The Window-eyes
sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the Window-eyes 9.2
upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and generated a
Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
Thanks.  ?  

 

Mike M. 

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RE: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Chris Grabowski via Talk]

Hi,
If you do not have a password at login and go straight to the desktop you'll 
hear the Window-eyes start up sound twice.  This is normal.  Window-eyes is 
loading to read the login prompt, it shuts down  and starts again after the 
login goes away.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 7:13 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
complaints.  They are observations.  

 

I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 begin to
speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but didn't
pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I happened to
check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed updates of
Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now hearing
what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.  

 

Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it for a
similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The Window-eyes
sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the Window-eyes 9.2
upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and generated a
Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
Thanks.  ?  

 

Mike M. 

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Re: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Is this only with windows ten?  Because I have windows 7 and mine just 
happens once, even though there is no password.  There is the startup sound, 
and then the sound that's supposed to happen after you put your password in, 
except you just hear the startup sound and then the other sound.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Grabowski via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 7:42 AM
To: Michael Massey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

Hi,
If you do not have a password at login and go straight to the desktop you'll 
hear the Window-eyes start up sound twice.  This is normal.  Window-eyes is 
loading to read the login prompt, it shuts down  and starts again after the 
login goes away.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 7:13 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Observations using Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.2

Hi.  The information I'm about to pass along to the list members are not
complaints.  They are observations.



I reserved my copies of Windows 10 to install on my Dell Xps-8500 desktop
computer running Windows 8.1, and for my Dell Xps-501-L laptop running
Windows 7 home 64 bit.  On Sunday morning I heard Window-eyes 9.2 begin to
speak as if something was being installed on my desktop computer, but didn't
pay close attention, and I didn't think much of it.  Yesterday I happened to
check Windows updates and found at least a dozen download failed updates of
Windows 10 home upgrade.  With the help of the Microsoft accessibility
answer desk I was able to download and install Windows 10.  I am now hearing
what sounds like the Window-eyes startup sound twice.  The sound is also
very distorted, so I have to turn the sound bars volume down a bit.



Later yesterday I had to have the Microsoft Accessibility answer desk
representative help me get Windows 10 downloaded so I could install it for a
similar issue.  There were only two failed updates and I didn't hear
Window-eyes speak when the updates were being downloaded.  The Window-eyes
sound is also distorted.  I tried to redownload and run the Window-eyes 9.2
upgrade and install it, but the progress reached 80 percent and generated a
Windows error I believe.  I now cannot find my downloads folder after
upgrading the Windows 7 computer to Windows 10.  I tried searching for
downloads and nothing would come up.  How do I find my downloads folder
Thanks.  ?



Mike M.

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Re: Observations on Window-eyes 9.1

[tt8 via Talk]

Since we 9.1 can no longer read mail with thunderbird
we goes silent, then thunderbird is not responding,
so I am using nvda to read mail
so thunderbird doesnot seem to be the problem.
Tony

On 3/6/2015 21:58, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

Hey folks
Well, I've had Window-eyes 9.1 on my machine for about a day now so I 
figured I'd report my findings, to see if anyone else has had similar 
experiences.  For the most part, things are extremely stable, much 
more so than 9.0 was.  For whatever reason right in the middle of 
surfing a web page or reading an email in Thunderbird, 9.0 would just 
go completely silent.  no error message was displayed on the screen, 
it just closed, as if the program was never opened to begin with.  
Pressing the usual hot key alt control w always brought it back so 
that was a good thing, but i'm very happy that problem is gone.  I 
noticed it once or twice when I first installed 9.1 but after 
rebooting the machine that little problem appears to have solved itself.


Also, in internet explorer 11, window-eyes still takes a few seconds 
to load a web page. it's as ifWindow-eyes hangs for about 15 to 30 
seconds, but then if I'm patient enough, it usually comes back. I did 
have a few issues where the 9.0 version would never recover from this 
issue and the machine would completely lock up, forcing a reboot to 
get things on track.  Now, it does take a few seconds longer to start 
speaking a web page, but it's a whole hell of a lot more reliable, so 
lots of improovements there!  it's also nice to be able to just copy 
plane text to the clipboard.  i would really like to have the 
traditional copy and paste method back, but like i said before that 
probably isn't possible with the way Window-eyes rhendors a web page 
now.  If it is possible to allow us to use the traditional method of 
copying and pasting with the arrow keys instead of the f8 selection 
method, let me encourage the AI Squared guys to offer that as an 
option in the WE control panel, maybe something in the browse mode 
section somewhere?
As far as Thunderbird goes,I'm having pretty good results, but 
occasionally, i'm not able to read an email as I type it. I like to 
read back what I wrote to hear what it sounds like, just to confirm 
what I've said to avoid any spelling errors and such.  In 9.0 and 9.1 
when composing a new message or replying to one, Window-eyes will say 
about blank when using the arrow keys after I've written something, so 
I know text is there, but for whatever interesting reason, Window-eyes 
isn't able to read it.  The interesting part is there are times i can 
read it back and other times I can't and there doesn't seem to be any 
real rhyme or reason to it, which is really frustrating as I'd like to 
give you guys some information so you can find a fix.  Sometimes if I 
close thunderbird and re-open it the problem will fix itself, but i 
never know how many times I have to close and re-open it.  I am using 
the TB Enhance app, so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.


Firefox does seem to be a bit faster when loading web pages, but still 
seems like it's a tad slower than internet explorer is.  I tried 
google Chrome yesterday, and was impressed with how accessible it is 
now!  I haven't quite found enough things I like it to make it my 
default web browser, but it sure is nice to know I can have 3 web 
browsers to choose from now.  So, overall i'm pretty happy with 9.1.

Thanks guys!


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Re: Observations on Window-eyes 9.1

[Steve Clower via Talk]

Tony,

In that case, have you customized your Thunderbird profile, such as by adding 
any additional add-ons or behavior different from the defaults? Is this 
something you can reproduce on demand, even after creating a new profile?

Steve


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 On Mar 8, 2015, at 5:53 PM, tt8 via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 
 using windows 7 pro 64 b
 latest version of tb and we 9.1
 
 On 3/8/2015 17:37, tt8 via Talk wrote:
 Since we 9.1 can no longer read mail with thunderbird
 we goes silent, then thunderbird is not responding,
 so I am using nvda to read mail
 so thunderbird doesnot seem to be the problem.
 Tony
 
 On 3/6/2015 21:58, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
 Hey folks
 Well, I've had Window-eyes 9.1 on my machine for about a day now so I 
 figured I'd report my findings, to see if anyone else has had similar 
 experiences.  For the most part, things are extremely stable, much more so 
 than 9.0 was.  For whatever reason right in the middle of surfing a web 
 page or reading an email in Thunderbird, 9.0 would just go completely 
 silent.  no error message was displayed on the screen, it just closed, as 
 if the program was never opened to begin with.  Pressing the usual hot key 
 alt control w always brought it back so that was a good thing, but i'm very 
 happy that problem is gone.  I noticed it once or twice when I first 
 installed 9.1 but after rebooting the machine that little problem appears 
 to have solved itself.
 
 Also, in internet explorer 11, window-eyes still takes a few seconds to 
 load a web page. it's as ifWindow-eyes hangs for about 15 to 30 seconds, 
 but then if I'm patient enough, it usually comes back. I did have a few 
 issues where the 9.0 version would never recover from this issue and the 
 machine would completely lock up, forcing a reboot to get things on track.  
 Now, it does take a few seconds longer to start speaking a web page, but 
 it's a whole hell of a lot more reliable, so lots of improovements there!  
 it's also nice to be able to just copy plane text to the clipboard.  i 
 would really like to have the traditional copy and paste method back, but 
 like i said before that probably isn't possible with the way Window-eyes 
 rhendors a web page now.  If it is possible to allow us to use the 
 traditional method of copying and pasting with the arrow keys instead of 
 the f8 selection method, let me encourage the AI Squared guys to offer that 
 as an option in the WE control panel, 
 maybe something in the browse mode section somewhere?
 As far as Thunderbird goes,I'm having pretty good results, but 
 occasionally, i'm not able to read an email as I type it. I like to read 
 back what I wrote to hear what it sounds like, just to confirm what I've 
 said to avoid any spelling errors and such.  In 9.0 and 9.1 when composing 
 a new message or replying to one, Window-eyes will say about blank when 
 using the arrow keys after I've written something, so I know text is there, 
 but for whatever interesting reason, Window-eyes isn't able to read it.  
 The interesting part is there are times i can read it back and other times 
 I can't and there doesn't seem to be any real rhyme or reason to it, which 
 is really frustrating as I'd like to give you guys some information so you 
 can find a fix.  Sometimes if I close thunderbird and re-open it the 
 problem will fix itself, but i never know how many times I have to close 
 and re-open it.  I am using the TB Enhance app, so I'm not sure if that has 
 anything to do with it.
 
 Firefox does seem to be a bit faster when loading web pages, but still 
 seems like it's a tad slower than internet explorer is.  I tried google 
 Chrome yesterday, and was impressed with how accessible it is now!  I 
 haven't quite found enough things I like it to make it my default web 
 browser, but it sure is nice to know I can have 3 web browsers to choose 
 from now.  So, overall i'm pretty happy with 9.1.
 Thanks guys!
 
 
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Re: Observations on Window-eyes 9.1

[tt8 via Talk]

using windows 7 pro 64 b
latest version of tb and we 9.1

On 3/8/2015 17:37, tt8 via Talk wrote:

Since we 9.1 can no longer read mail with thunderbird
we goes silent, then thunderbird is not responding,
so I am using nvda to read mail
so thunderbird doesnot seem to be the problem.
Tony

On 3/6/2015 21:58, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

Hey folks
Well, I've had Window-eyes 9.1 on my machine for about a day now so I 
figured I'd report my findings, to see if anyone else has had similar 
experiences.  For the most part, things are extremely stable, much 
more so than 9.0 was.  For whatever reason right in the middle of 
surfing a web page or reading an email in Thunderbird, 9.0 would just 
go completely silent.  no error message was displayed on the screen, 
it just closed, as if the program was never opened to begin with.  
Pressing the usual hot key alt control w always brought it back so 
that was a good thing, but i'm very happy that problem is gone.  I 
noticed it once or twice when I first installed 9.1 but after 
rebooting the machine that little problem appears to have solved itself.


Also, in internet explorer 11, window-eyes still takes a few seconds 
to load a web page. it's as ifWindow-eyes hangs for about 15 to 30 
seconds, but then if I'm patient enough, it usually comes back. I did 
have a few issues where the 9.0 version would never recover from this 
issue and the machine would completely lock up, forcing a reboot to 
get things on track.  Now, it does take a few seconds longer to start 
speaking a web page, but it's a whole hell of a lot more reliable, so 
lots of improovements there!  it's also nice to be able to just copy 
plane text to the clipboard.  i would really like to have the 
traditional copy and paste method back, but like i said before that 
probably isn't possible with the way Window-eyes rhendors a web page 
now.  If it is possible to allow us to use the traditional method of 
copying and pasting with the arrow keys instead of the f8 selection 
method, let me encourage the AI Squared guys to offer that as an 
option in the WE control panel, maybe something in the browse mode 
section somewhere?
As far as Thunderbird goes,I'm having pretty good results, but 
occasionally, i'm not able to read an email as I type it. I like to 
read back what I wrote to hear what it sounds like, just to confirm 
what I've said to avoid any spelling errors and such.  In 9.0 and 9.1 
when composing a new message or replying to one, Window-eyes will say 
about blank when using the arrow keys after I've written something, 
so I know text is there, but for whatever interesting reason, 
Window-eyes isn't able to read it.  The interesting part is there are 
times i can read it back and other times I can't and there doesn't 
seem to be any real rhyme or reason to it, which is really 
frustrating as I'd like to give you guys some information so you can 
find a fix.  Sometimes if I close thunderbird and re-open it the 
problem will fix itself, but i never know how many times I have to 
close and re-open it.  I am using the TB Enhance app, so I'm not sure 
if that has anything to do with it.


Firefox does seem to be a bit faster when loading web pages, but 
still seems like it's a tad slower than internet explorer is.  I 
tried google Chrome yesterday, and was impressed with how accessible 
it is now!  I haven't quite found enough things I like it to make it 
my default web browser, but it sure is nice to know I can have 3 web 
browsers to choose from now.  So, overall i'm pretty happy with 9.1.

Thanks guys!


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Re: Observations on Window-eyes 9.1

[Steve Clower via Talk]

I must respectfuly disagree. I use Thunderbird as my primary email client and 
am able to use it without any significant problems. With that said, I am using 
the current version of Thunderbird under Windows 8.1. Which TB are you using, 
and under which operating system?

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 On Mar 8, 2015, at 5:38 PM, tt8 via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 
 Since we 9.1 can no longer read mail with thunderbird
 we goes silent, then thunderbird is not responding,
 so I am using nvda to read mail
 so thunderbird doesnot seem to be the problem.
 Tony
 
 On 3/6/2015 21:58, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
 Hey folks
 Well, I've had Window-eyes 9.1 on my machine for about a day now so I 
 figured I'd report my findings, to see if anyone else has had similar 
 experiences.  For the most part, things are extremely stable, much more so 
 than 9.0 was.  For whatever reason right in the middle of surfing a web page 
 or reading an email in Thunderbird, 9.0 would just go completely silent.  no 
 error message was displayed on the screen, it just closed, as if the program 
 was never opened to begin with.  Pressing the usual hot key alt control w 
 always brought it back so that was a good thing, but i'm very happy that 
 problem is gone.  I noticed it once or twice when I first installed 9.1 but 
 after rebooting the machine that little problem appears to have solved 
 itself.
 
 Also, in internet explorer 11, window-eyes still takes a few seconds to load 
 a web page. it's as ifWindow-eyes hangs for about 15 to 30 seconds, but then 
 if I'm patient enough, it usually comes back. I did have a few issues where 
 the 9.0 version would never recover from this issue and the machine would 
 completely lock up, forcing a reboot to get things on track.  Now, it does 
 take a few seconds longer to start speaking a web page, but it's a whole 
 hell of a lot more reliable, so lots of improovements there!  it's also nice 
 to be able to just copy plane text to the clipboard.  i would really like to 
 have the traditional copy and paste method back, but like i said before that 
 probably isn't possible with the way Window-eyes rhendors a web page now.  
 If it is possible to allow us to use the traditional method of copying and 
 pasting with the arrow keys instead of the f8 selection method, let me 
 encourage the AI Squared guys to offer that as an option in the WE control 
 panel, m
 aybe something in the browse mode section somewhere?
 As far as Thunderbird goes,I'm having pretty good results, but occasionally, 
 i'm not able to read an email as I type it. I like to read back what I wrote 
 to hear what it sounds like, just to confirm what I've said to avoid any 
 spelling errors and such.  In 9.0 and 9.1 when composing a new message or 
 replying to one, Window-eyes will say about blank when using the arrow keys 
 after I've written something, so I know text is there, but for whatever 
 interesting reason, Window-eyes isn't able to read it.  The interesting part 
 is there are times i can read it back and other times I can't and there 
 doesn't seem to be any real rhyme or reason to it, which is really 
 frustrating as I'd like to give you guys some information so you can find a 
 fix.  Sometimes if I close thunderbird and re-open it the problem will fix 
 itself, but i never know how many times I have to close and re-open it.  I 
 am using the TB Enhance app, so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with 
 it.
 
 Firefox does seem to be a bit faster when loading web pages, but still seems 
 like it's a tad slower than internet explorer is.  I tried google Chrome 
 yesterday, and was impressed with how accessible it is now!  I haven't quite 
 found enough things I like it to make it my default web browser, but it sure 
 is nice to know I can have 3 web browsers to choose from now.  So, overall 
 i'm pretty happy with 9.1.
 Thanks guys!
 
 
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Observations on Window-eyes 9.1

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Hey folks
Well, I've had Window-eyes 9.1 on my machine for about a day now so I 
figured I'd report my findings, to see if anyone else has had similar 
experiences.  For the most part, things are extremely stable, much more 
so than 9.0 was.  For whatever reason right in the middle of surfing a 
web page or reading an email in Thunderbird, 9.0 would just go 
completely silent.  no error message was displayed on the screen, it 
just closed, as if the program was never opened to begin with.  Pressing 
the usual hot key alt control w always brought it back so that was a 
good thing, but i'm very happy that problem is gone.  I noticed it once 
or twice when I first installed 9.1 but after rebooting the machine that 
little problem appears to have solved itself.


Also, in internet explorer 11, window-eyes still takes a few seconds to 
load a web page. it's as ifWindow-eyes hangs for about 15 to 30 seconds, 
but then if I'm patient enough, it usually comes back. I did have a few 
issues where the 9.0 version would never recover from this issue and the 
machine would completely lock up, forcing a reboot to get things on 
track.  Now, it does take a few seconds longer to start speaking a web 
page, but it's a whole hell of a lot more reliable, so lots of 
improovements there!  it's also nice to be able to just copy plane text 
to the clipboard.  i would really like to have the traditional copy and 
paste method back, but like i said before that probably isn't possible 
with the way Window-eyes rhendors a web page now.  If it is possible to 
allow us to use the traditional method of copying and pasting with the 
arrow keys instead of the f8 selection method, let me encourage the AI 
Squared guys to offer that as an option in the WE control panel, maybe 
something in the browse mode section somewhere?
As far as Thunderbird goes,I'm having pretty good results, but 
occasionally, i'm not able to read an email as I type it. I like to read 
back what I wrote to hear what it sounds like, just to confirm what I've 
said to avoid any spelling errors and such.  In 9.0 and 9.1 when 
composing a new message or replying to one, Window-eyes will say about 
blank when using the arrow keys after I've written something, so I know 
text is there, but for whatever interesting reason, Window-eyes isn't 
able to read it.  The interesting part is there are times i can read it 
back and other times I can't and there doesn't seem to be any real rhyme 
or reason to it, which is really frustrating as I'd like to give you 
guys some information so you can find a fix.  Sometimes if I close 
thunderbird and re-open it the problem will fix itself, but i never know 
how many times I have to close and re-open it.  I am using the TB 
Enhance app, so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it.


Firefox does seem to be a bit faster when loading web pages, but still 
seems like it's a tad slower than internet explorer is.  I tried google 
Chrome yesterday, and was impressed with how accessible it is now!  I 
haven't quite found enough things I like it to make it my default web 
browser, but it sure is nice to know I can have 3 web browsers to choose 
from now.  So, overall i'm pretty happy with 9.1.

Thanks guys!


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