Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Let me ask, if you unload and restart window eyes, do you still get the 
driver error tones?


-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:25 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

At 10:44 AM 7/26/2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

When I have gotten the tones, I have went to the WE control panel and
apps and diagnostics and did a repair of the win 10 display driver.



That might be worth trying. But my diagnostics menu doesn't show a
video driver display option. It only shows run diagnostics and the
Office license diagnostic repair.

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Re: Good Bye

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

Hi, Pam,
I also still use WE and will as long as it will work.  The microsoft 
disability desk techs have been a great help for me.  They know tons of 
stuff about screen readers and everything else as well.

1-800-936-5900 is their number.  I wish you well.

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:15 PM
To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I have some news.  After staying on hold for about two-and-a-half hours, I
told the guy my problem, and he said "That's weird".  I asked him if he
wanted to remote into my computer, and he said:  "I can only remote into
your computer if you are using jaws.  We don't support window eyes anymore.
I said that was interesting, because when the person answered the phone when
I called and asked me what help I needed, I said I needed somebody who could
help me with window eyes, so she gave me his line.  I was given to
understand that they would help you with window eyes for a while.  But
apparently, they have already stopped, according to the person I got.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:32 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Good Bye

While it might not hurt to take the JAWS offer, no one should be made to
feel foolish for not doing it, regardless of one's own opinion.  Whether to
switch to JAWS or not is Butch's prerogative.

Personally, I could not take advantage of the offer due to my version of WE
being out of date.  Voc Rehab came through for me, only because I'm in a job
search and told them WE was going away, and I needed JAWS in the job search,
so my counselor was able to justify the expense.  Now, I've just got to see
if they can get the registration in my name, as, right now, it's registered
to the Rehab agency, since that was what was on the P.O.

Now, I've got both on here, and can switch at will between Window-Eyes,
JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.

It's good to have choice, but, that is what choice is all about.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run?
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws, you
can not come up with a rational justification for not taking advantage of a
free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes,
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt
not put other screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so
that when that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering
us a lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go
down with the ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better
grab a spot in one of the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes
less and less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to
that big iceberg, the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a
day when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it
may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: win10 driver issues was Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Before I turned off quick start, I would umload and restart window eyes 
after I was on the desktop.


-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:20 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: win10 driver issues was Re: Good Bye

I got what I think was a similar issue with my lenovo laptop in 2015
after I first purchased it.  After speaking with Steven Clower, or maybe
it was Chris, I now start Window-eyes after the laptop boots and I'm at
the desktop.

Can't tell you if I've had the problem since as I don't use the laptop
much, but starting w-e manually seems to work.

brendarestart it

On 7/26/2017 9:27 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones 
when Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 
10 1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video 
driver error tones.


-Original Message- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep 
working. All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in 
Windows 10 have obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most 
current creator edition.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

IN my case when I had it happen, all I had to do is unload and restart window 
eyes and the issue was fixed.

From: Loy 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Good Bye

When I have gotten the tones, I have went to the WE control panel and apps and 
diagnostics and did a repair of the win 10 display driver.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  When I get those tones, it does effect how window eyes works with windows 
  live mail.  Window eyes doesn't say things like, read, unread replied to 
  etc. when arrowing up and down the message list.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Tony C
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:58 AM
  To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  Hi, I get those tones sometimes also, but they have not affected the
  workings at all, so I haven't worried about it. When it's time for a new PC
  however I do believe I'm going to get a Mac. Jaws is just so much more
  cumbersom than WE. And, like I've said before I've never really had a good
  experience with Freedom anytime I had to call them.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:27 AM
  To: of...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones when
  Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 10
  1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video driver
  error tones.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
  Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
  To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
  inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
  previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
  tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
  text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
  pointer.
  Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
  experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
  addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
  All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
  obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
  edition.
  Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Good Bye

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

At 10:44 AM 7/26/2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
>When I have gotten the tones, I have went to the WE control panel and
>apps and diagnostics and did a repair of the win 10 display driver.


That might be worth trying. But my diagnostics menu doesn't show a 
video driver display option. It only shows run diagnostics and the 
Office license diagnostic repair. 


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Re: Good Bye

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Do you keep get the erros if you reload window-eyes?  The last 
certificate update they did gives me that problem on one of my machines 
at first boot up, but if I reload window-eyes, all is well.  Doug said 
likely a timing issue, but he was not allowed to look into it.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 
Jul 2017, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:



I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its inception. 
Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider previews, 
including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error tones upon 
launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and text on the 
screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be addressed 
with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. All of you 
who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have obviously not 
yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
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win10 driver issues was Re: Good Bye

[Brenda via Talk]

I got what I think was a similar issue with my lenovo laptop in 2015 
after I first purchased it.  After speaking with Steven Clower, or maybe 
it was Chris, I now start Window-eyes after the laptop boots and I'm at 
the desktop.


Can't tell you if I've had the problem since as I don't use the laptop 
much, but starting w-e manually seems to work.


brendarestart it

On 7/26/2017 9:27 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones 
when Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with 
windows 10 1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get 
the video driver error tones.


-Original Message- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor 
and text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or 
mouse pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep 
working. All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in 
Windows 10 have obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or 
most current creator edition.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Loy via Talk]

When I have gotten the tones, I have went to the WE control panel and apps and 
diagnostics and did a repair of the win 10 display driver.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk 
  To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: Good Bye


  When I get those tones, it does effect how window eyes works with windows 
  live mail.  Window eyes doesn't say things like, read, unread replied to 
  etc. when arrowing up and down the message list.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Tony C
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:58 AM
  To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  Hi, I get those tones sometimes also, but they have not affected the
  workings at all, so I haven't worried about it. When it's time for a new PC
  however I do believe I'm going to get a Mac. Jaws is just so much more
  cumbersom than WE. And, like I've said before I've never really had a good
  experience with Freedom anytime I had to call them.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:27 AM
  To: of...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones when
  Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 10
  1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video driver
  error tones.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Orlando Enrique Fiol
  Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
  To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Good Bye

  I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
  inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
  previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
  tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
  text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
  pointer.
  Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
  experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
  addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
  All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
  obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
  edition.
  Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

When I get those tones, it does effect how window eyes works with windows 
live mail.  Window eyes doesn't say things like, read, unread replied to 
etc. when arrowing up and down the message list.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:58 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

   Hi, I get those tones sometimes also, but they have not affected the
workings at all, so I haven't worried about it. When it's time for a new PC
however I do believe I'm going to get a Mac. Jaws is just so much more
cumbersom than WE. And, like I've said before I've never really had a good
experience with Freedom anytime I had to call them.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:27 AM
To: of...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones when
Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 10
1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video driver
error tones.

-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Good Bye

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, No, the only time I've ever got those tones is at startup.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:39 AM
To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com ; of...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'

Subject: Re: Good Bye

I would be interested in knowing, do you get the video driver errors if you
unload and restart window eyes at the desktop?

-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:37 PM
To: of...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Good Bye

Hi Orlando:

This has been my experience also.  WE still works, to a degree, but, with
the video driver issue, there are drawbacks to using it with Insider builds.


However, with the current stable version of Windows 10, WE is working just
fine.  I'm typing this right now with WE rocking along.  In fact, I have
been accostumed to the way WE works with Outlook, and it took a bit of
playing around before I got JAWS to approximate it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, I get those tones sometimes also, but they have not affected the 
workings at all, so I haven't worried about it. When it's time for a new PC 
however I do believe I'm going to get a Mac. Jaws is just so much more 
cumbersom than WE. And, like I've said before I've never really had a good 
experience with Freedom anytime I had to call them.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:27 AM
To: of...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones when
Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 10
1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video driver
error tones.

-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol

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Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I would be interested in knowing, do you get the video driver errors if you 
unload and restart window eyes at the desktop?


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:37 PM
To: of...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Good Bye

Hi Orlando:

This has been my experience also.  WE still works, to a degree, but, with
the video driver issue, there are drawbacks to using it with Insider builds.


However, with the current stable version of Windows 10, WE is working just
fine.  I'm typing this right now with WE rocking along.  In fact, I have
been accostumed to the way WE works with Outlook, and it took a bit of
playing around before I got JAWS to approximate it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Here's the interesting thing, like you I get video driver  error tones when 
Window-Eyes launches when I bootup my computer.  This is with windows 10 
1703.  I found by turning off quick start, I no longer get the video driver 
error tones.


-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. 
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have 
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator 
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol 


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Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The new version of windows 10 to be  released in September will be called 
creators fall update.


-Original Message- 
From: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:12 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Good Bye

I use windows ver 1703 with windoweyes it works what will the new version be 
called and will it work with windoweyes?


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Kevin Huber via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I'm Creators Update seems to be working for me; I'm using it.--Mathew Chao



On 7/25/2017 10:36 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Pastor:
I understand your decision to leave the list and I wish you good luck.

to the person who asked if Window-eyes will work with Windows 10
Creator's addition,

From what I remember, Doug said a while ago that Window-eyes will work

with the fall Creator's  version of Windows 10, but one of us will
have to test it.
Kevin Huber

On 7/24/17, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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RE: Good Bye

[CJ MAY via Talk]

Could folk please change the subject line.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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Re: Good Bye

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Lloyd,
There is a JAWS script for Sound Forge. It's by Jim 
Snowbagger and costs I think 30 bucks. Just google JAWS script Sound Forge or 
something like that and you'll find his page.
That's all I know about it, other than one person who's been using my 
Window-Eyes script said the JAWS script didn't compare. Tsk tsk. Smile.
Regards,
Tom

Dropped from my iDrone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 10:09 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> I have found that sometimes, if WE creates those error tones, that I can get 
> back in business by restarting it with ctrl-Alt-W. One place where I need 
> this video functionality is Sound Forge Audio Studio 10, which I run under 
> Windows 10 with Window-Eyes 9.5.4. I haven't really tried it with JAWS 18 yet.
> 
> 
> 
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:06 PM
> To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Good Bye
> 
> I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
> inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
> previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
> tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
> text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
> pointer.
> Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
> experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
> addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. 
> All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have 
> obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator 
> edition.
> Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

And every time other than one major revision early on this video driver issue 
has been fixed by Microsoft, not GWMicro. It's probably just some generic video 
backend they use in preview builds. But time will tell.

Dropped from my iDrone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
> inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
> previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
> tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
> text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
> pointer.
> Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
> experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
> addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. 
> All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have 
> obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator 
> edition.
> Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

I have found that sometimes, if WE creates those error tones, that I can get 
back in business by restarting it with ctrl-Alt-W. One place where I need 
this video functionality is Sound Forge Audio Studio 10, which I run under 
Windows 10 with Window-Eyes 9.5.4. I haven't really tried it with JAWS 18 
yet.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. 
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have 
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator 
edition.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have some news.  After staying on hold for about two-and-a-half hours, I 
told the guy my problem, and he said "That's weird".  I asked him if he 
wanted to remote into my computer, and he said:  "I can only remote into 
your computer if you are using jaws.  We don't support window eyes anymore. 
I said that was interesting, because when the person answered the phone when 
I called and asked me what help I needed, I said I needed somebody who could 
help me with window eyes, so she gave me his line.  I was given to 
understand that they would help you with window eyes for a while.  But 
apparently, they have already stopped, according to the person I got.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:32 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Good Bye

While it might not hurt to take the JAWS offer, no one should be made to
feel foolish for not doing it, regardless of one's own opinion.  Whether to
switch to JAWS or not is Butch's prerogative.

Personally, I could not take advantage of the offer due to my version of WE
being out of date.  Voc Rehab came through for me, only because I'm in a job
search and told them WE was going away, and I needed JAWS in the job search,
so my counselor was able to justify the expense.  Now, I've just got to see
if they can get the registration in my name, as, right now, it's registered
to the Rehab agency, since that was what was on the P.O.

Now, I've got both on here, and can switch at will between Window-Eyes,
JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.

It's good to have choice, but, that is what choice is all about.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run?
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws, you
can not come up with a rational justification for not taking advantage of a
free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes,
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt
not put other screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so
that when that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering
us a lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go
down with the ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better
grab a spot in one of the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes
less and less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to
that big iceberg, the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a
day when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it
may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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RE: Good Bye

[via Talk]

Hi Orlando:

This has been my experience also.  WE still works, to a degree, but, with
the video driver issue, there are drawbacks to using it with Insider builds.


However, with the current stable version of Windows 10, WE is working just
fine.  I'm typing this right now with WE rocking along.  In fact, I have
been accostumed to the way WE works with Outlook, and it took a bit of
playing around before I got JAWS to approximate it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working.
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator
edition.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
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RE: Good Bye

[via Talk]

While it might not hurt to take the JAWS offer, no one should be made to
feel foolish for not doing it, regardless of one's own opinion.  Whether to
switch to JAWS or not is Butch's prerogative.

Personally, I could not take advantage of the offer due to my version of WE
being out of date.  Voc Rehab came through for me, only because I'm in a job
search and told them WE was going away, and I needed JAWS in the job search,
so my counselor was able to justify the expense.  Now, I've just got to see
if they can get the registration in my name, as, right now, it's registered
to the Rehab agency, since that was what was on the P.O.

Now, I've got both on here, and can switch at will between Window-Eyes,
JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.

It's good to have choice, but, that is what choice is all about.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run? 
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws, you
can not come up with a rational justification for not taking advantage of a
free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes, 
> I'll learn nvda.
> I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not 
> smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt 
> not put other screen readers before me.
> 
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> 
>> You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so 
>> that when that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
>> To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering 
>> us a lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go 
>> down with the ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better 
>> grab a spot in one of the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
>> Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and 
>> more and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes 
>> less and less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to 
>> that big iceberg, the VFO takeover.
>>
>> Kevin Huber
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> I am with you!
>>>
>>>
>>> Trish
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Butch Bussen via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
>>> To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>>>
>>> I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a 
>>> day when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now, 
>>> window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly 
>>> people abandond something that is still working, because some day it 
>>> may
>> not.
>>> 73
>>> Butch
>>> WA0VJR
>>> Node 3148
>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On
>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
>>>>
>>>> I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.
>>>>
>>>> May all go well with all of you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: Good Bye

[via Talk]

I'm almost with you Butch.  I didn't get to start until 1984, and for a
while, no access tech other than a TI 99/4A.  Fun stuff.  I have even been
able to emulate the TI using MAME.  A weird experience, but, it can be fun.
And, it is actually emulated pretty well, from what the few 99'ers out there
say.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Good Bye

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes, I'll
learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not smart.
Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt not put other
screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long 
via Talk wrote:

> You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so that
when
> that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
> To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>
> Hi:
>
> Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us a
> lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down with
the
> ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a spot in one of
> the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
> Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and more
> and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes less and
> less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to that big
iceberg,
> the VFO takeover.
>
> Kevin Huber
>
>
>
> On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> I am with you!
>>
>>
>> Trish
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Butch Bussen via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
>> To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>>
>> I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
>> when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
>> window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
>> people abandond something that is still working, because some day it may
> not.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>> On
>> Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
>>>
>>> I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.
>>>
>>> May all go well with all of you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pastor Gil
>>>
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Re: Good Bye

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Just made boat res.  We're all set.  See you Sunday!  Will be there a 
little early to check in.--Matt.




On 7/25/2017 1:35 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
And this is where I wish I'd had the money to keep my SMA current so 
that I could! take advantage of this offer. JFW is still not my favorite 
product but as has been pointed out NVDA might not meet my needs in the 
long run.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run?
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws,
you can not come up with a rational justification for not taking
advantage of a free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes,
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt
not put other screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so
that when
that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us a
lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down
with the
ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a spot in
one of
the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more
and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes less and
less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to that big
iceberg,
the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it 
may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Good Bye

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Oops, sent wrong message out a second ago.  Cursor spoke one thing and 
was in another.  Sorry about that.--Matthew Chao




On 7/25/2017 1:35 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
And this is where I wish I'd had the money to keep my SMA current so 
that I could! take advantage of this offer. JFW is still not my favorite 
product but as has been pointed out NVDA might not meet my needs in the 
long run.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run?
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws,
you can not come up with a rational justification for not taking
advantage of a free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes,
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt
not put other screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so
that when
that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us a
lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down
with the
ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a spot in
one of
the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more
and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes less and
less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to that big
iceberg,
the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it 
may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Good Bye

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Which is why I will most likely be making the switch as soon as finances 
permit, even though it'll be long after this migration deal is done. I still 
remember at least some of what I knew when I used JAWS before making the WE 
switch so it hasn't been quite as difficult getting back into it as I 
thought it would be.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:06 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its 
inception. Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider 
previews, including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error 
tones upon launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and 
text on the screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse 
pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be 
addressed with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. 
All of you who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have 
obviously not yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator 
edition.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
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Re: Good Bye

[Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk]

I've been in the Windows 10 insider preview program almost since its inception. 
Window-eyes has not worked for me using the past four insider previews, 
including the latest creator edition. I get video driver error tones upon 
launching Window-eyes, and many programs containing cursor and text on the 
screen are no longer read with the Window-eyes curso or mouse pointer.
Believe me, I was one of the most reluctant Jaws migrants. But upon 
experiencing this Window-eyes behavior, and knowing it would never be addressed 
with Window-eyes no longer in development, I had to keep working. All of you 
who think Window-eyes will work indefinitely in Windows 10 have obviously not 
yet encountered the insider previews or most current creator edition.
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Re: Good Bye

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

And this is where I wish I'd had the money to keep my SMA current so that I 
could! take advantage of this offer. JFW is still not my favorite product 
but as has been pointed out NVDA might not meet my needs in the long run.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run?
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws,
you can not come up with a rational justification for not taking
advantage of a free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes,
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt
not put other screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so
that when
that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us a
lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down
with the
ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a spot in
one of
the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more
and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes less and
less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to that big
iceberg,
the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Good Bye

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run? 
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws, 
you can not come up with a rational justification for not taking 
advantage of a free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes, 
> I'll learn nvda.
> I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not 
> smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt 
> not put other screen readers before me.
> 
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> 
>> You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so 
>> that when
>> that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
>> To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us a
>> lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down 
>> with the
>> ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a spot in 
>> one of
>> the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
>> Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and 
>> more
>> and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes less and
>> less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to that big 
>> iceberg,
>> the VFO takeover.
>>
>> Kevin Huber
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> I am with you!
>>>
>>>
>>> Trish
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Butch Bussen via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
>>> To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>>>
>>> I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
>>> when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
>>> window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
>>> people abandond something that is still working, because some day it may
>> not.
>>> 73
>>> Butch
>>> WA0VJR
>>> Node 3148
>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On
>>> Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
>>>>
>>>> I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.
>>>>
>>>> May all go well with all of you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pastor Gil
>>>>
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RE: Good Bye

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes, 
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not 
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt 
not put other screen readers before me.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long 
via Talk wrote:



You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so that when
that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us a
lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down with the
ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a spot in one of
the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and more
and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes less and
less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to that big iceberg,
the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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RE: Good Bye

[Dennis Long via Talk]

You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so that when
that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us a
lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down with the
ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a spot in one of
the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and more
and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes less and
less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to that big iceberg,
the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> I am with you!
>
>
> Trish
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
> To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>
> I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day 
> when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now, 
> window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly 
> people abandond something that is still working, because some day it may
not.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On
> Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:
>
>> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
>>
>> I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.
>>
>> May all go well with all of you.
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Good Bye

[Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk]

I use windows ver 1703 with windoweyes it works what will the new version be 
called and will it work with windoweyes?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Kevin Huber via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I'm Creators Update seems to be working for me; I'm using it.--Mathew Chao



On 7/25/2017 10:36 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:
> Hi Pastor:
> I understand your decision to leave the list and I wish you good luck.
> 
> to the person who asked if Window-eyes will work with Windows 10 
> Creator's addition,
>>From what I remember, Doug said a while ago that Window-eyes will work
> with the fall Creator's  version of Windows 10, but one of us will 
> have to test it.
> Kevin Huber
> 
> On 7/24/17, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
>>
>> I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.
>>
>> May all go well with all of you.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Good Bye

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Same here.--Matthew Chao



On 7/25/2017 10:44 AM, Patricia Krinke via Talk wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly people
abandond something that is still working, because some day it may not.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
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The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Good Bye

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

I'm Creators Update seems to be working for me; I'm using it.--Mathew Chao



On 7/25/2017 10:36 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi Pastor:
I understand your decision to leave the list and I wish you good luck.

to the person who asked if Window-eyes will work with Windows 10
Creator's addition,

From what I remember, Doug said a while ago that Window-eyes will work

with the fall Creator's  version of Windows 10, but one of us will
have to test it.
Kevin Huber

On 7/24/17, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk  wrote:

The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Good Bye

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering us
a lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go down
with the ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better grab a
spot in one of the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes
less and less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to
that big iceberg, the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> I am with you!
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> Trish
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> -Original Message-
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> To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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> Subject: Re: Good Bye
>
> I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
> when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
> window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly people
> abandond something that is still working, because some day it may not.
> 73
> Butch
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>> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
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Re: Good Bye

[Patricia Krinke via Talk]

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly people
abandond something that is still working, because some day it may not.
73
Butch
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> The time  has come for me to leave the list.
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Re: Good Bye

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Pastor:
I understand your decision to leave the list and I wish you good luck.

to the person who asked if Window-eyes will work with Windows 10
Creator's addition,
>From what I remember, Doug said a while ago that Window-eyes will work
with the fall Creator's  version of Windows 10, but one of us will
have to test it.
Kevin Huber

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Re: Good Bye

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'm interested in knowing if window eyes will work with windows 10 creators 
fall edition?  I hear it will be released in September.  Perhaps someone who 
is using the windows 10 insider version and tell us if it's working at this 
point in time?


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly people
abandond something that is still working, because some day it may not.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Good Bye

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Better to be prepared.

On 7/24/2017 10:20 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
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> 73
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> 
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:
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Re: Good Bye

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a day 
when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now, 
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly people 
abandond something that is still working, because some day it may not.

73
Butch
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The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Good Bye

[Brenda via Talk]

Hey Pastor Gil,

sorry to see you go.

You could stayhere to help the rest of us with jaws questions from a 
window-eyes prospective.


Brenda

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The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.

  


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