graham wrote:
> Steve Hill wrote:
>> How are people tagging bus stops? I have been setting tagging nodes that
>> are members of the way, which means they are part of the road they are on.
>> Is this the right way to do it? It seems right since it unambiguously
>> shows which road the stop is o
Cartinus schrieb:
> But when routing for
> pedestrians, you will want to be able to reach the bus stops.
This and the rest is very valid reasoning. Therefore I also
convinced that bus_stops deserve a node besides the road.
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Karl Eichwalder
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Great interview!
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Sent: 08 April 2008 2:38 PM
> >To: Steve Chilton; Andy Robinson (blackadder); [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> >talk@openstreetmap.org
> >Subject: RE:
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
> Hi,
>> Hmmm, you and some other guys effectively sabotaged voting several
>> times.
> This is not the first time you use the word "sabotage" in this
> context. I think it's rather strong language; I have openly expressed
> my opinion that's all.
I just use the wording th
Hi,
I have created an experimental JOSM version with a feature that
makes it easier to create proper rectangles (for people wanting to
draw houses from aerial imagery etc.).
Basically, you just draw one side of the rectangle and then "extrude"
it, Google-Sketchup-like, to the desired width.
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:57 +0300, SteveC wrote:
> Like, er, electing President Bush, or Prime Minister Gordon Brown (no
> election) ?
I'm a pedant, but you never vote for a Prime Minister. You vote for your
local MP and the leader of the party with the most MPs gets to be Prime
Minister.
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Br
On Tuesday 08 April 2008 14:53:40 graham wrote:
> Steve Hill wrote:
> > How are people tagging bus stops? I have been setting tagging nodes that
> > are members of the way, which means they are part of the road they are
> > on. Is this the right way to do it? It seems right since it
> > unambiguo
On Tuesday 08 April 2008 15:00:57 graham wrote:
> I haven't begun using relations yet; I just decided to start doing so
> and have confused myself about a very basic use case. Can some one tell
> me what tags they they might[1] use to state that a group of
> non-contiguous buildings belong to a par
graham wrote:
>
> I've been doing the opposite, and have only recently realised that your
> way is the way I was supposed to do it..
>
> I have mapped quite a few bus stops where the bus stop is on a
> pedestrian island and I want to show not only 'side of road' but also a
> fairly exact physica
I haven't been paying too much attention of late, but it's always
struck me that the simple solution to tagging is to allow tags to
exist within namespaces (akin, say, to XML namespaces).
That way, if you want to have one group going around having votes on
things, they can, and they can have their
On 08/04/2008 19:02, Lester Caine wrote:
>> You don't think that searching for "M11" should produce one result for a
>> road that covers the whole country, and searching for high street should
>> produce hundreds of separate results?
>
> This is EXACTLY the problem I'm trying to highlight!
> The C
Sven Grüner wrote:
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
I've been critcised for not suggesting an alternative. So here's my
suggestion:
* [...]
Okay, slowly I realize that I took all this for granted while you didn't.
While I'm not yet certain wether you seriously propose such a task force
it's
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
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> | Putting all of the separate bits of the UK's M11 in a single relation
> | sounds about as silly as putting all the roads in the UK called "Station
> | Road" in a single relation - they are separ
Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Sent: 08 April 2008 2:38 PM
>To: Steve Chilton; Andy Robinson (blackadder); [EMAIL PROTECTED];
>talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Birmingham mapping party - Radio
>Interview today
>
>Nice one Andy! Came across really well. Hope
Well, that works with a TextSymbolizer, but I can't get it working with
a PointSymbolizer.
Steven
Steve Chilton schreef:
> Never had occasion to do that but sure it is possible.
> To move the TextSymboliser something like this moves label 8 pixels above the
> symbol:
>
> 5
> 25000
> [rail
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Andrew McCarthy wrote:
> It's specified in the "Statutory Instrument" issued by the Government.
> I've no idea if we're unique on this, but it's a big planet :)
Sounds like ref=M7;N7 is the correct thing to do in this case then. As
for what the renderers should do, that's an
Sebastian Spaeth schrieb:
> You do know that sometimes people need to download all entities of a
> relation when they download an area with a single node in it? I wouldn't
> want to download all elements of "earth" when I download my
> neighbourhood block. :-) How do you handle this problem?
Well,
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Andrew McCarthy wrote:
| On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:33:31PM +0100, Steve Hill wrote:
|> But a motorway which is not a continuous road (i.e. has gaps in it) is
|> _not_ a single road - I see no reason why it should be treated as one.
|> Maybe you could
Steve Chilton wrote:
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/wm.shtml to listen live
Or follow RichardF's live transcripts in IRC interspersed with commentary.
Thanks Richard :-).
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Andrew McCarthy wrote:
> In that case, would the use of highway relations be restricted to such
> cases where there is one *official* route, with differing refs?
"Official" by whose authority? I am not aware of the UK highways agency
publishing official routes for these gaps
Steve Hill nexusuk.org> writes:
>
>
> Maplint seems to be throwing up "not-in-map_features" warnings about stuff
> that is on the Map Features page. For example:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.68309&lon=-3.91837&zoom=15&layers=0BTT
>
And how about building=anything, Maplint is wa
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> But Richard seems to be arguing that relating parts of A roads together in a
> single relationship is by itself a bad idea, because refs are simpler.
I agree with him here though - I think it is a bad idea with the current
state of the tools, be
Hi,
> What? Geonames allows you to move and edit data which is overlaid
> onto a Google Map. Go to http://www.geonames.org/maps/cities.html and
> click on a city.
You're right, there's a "move" link there which I had overlooked.
Nonetheless, apart from the geo location of the city I get tons o
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 02:25:11PM +0100, Steve Hill wrote:
> Which bits you use to connect the disjointed sections are a rather
> arbitrary decision - should OSM be making such decisions? I mean, there is
> no officially documented "this is how you get between these sections" route
> so we wou
Great!
I and my friend in Japan are interested in translating flyer but
original is not easy to do.
Thanks a lot for your effort!
Hiroshi
On 4/6/08, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As a LaTeX and OSM lover, I had to make this OSM flyer in LaTeX, derived
> from An
Sven Grüner wrote:
> I've recently created a sandbox going the whole way from "Planet Earth"
> to "Some Road" all in nested relations. You can browse it here:
> http://osm.schunterscouts.de/relation-browser.php
> (the URL accepts other relations as well, comments welcome)
You do know that sometim
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
> I've been critcised for not suggesting an alternative. So here's my
> suggestion:
>
> * [...]
Okay, slowly I realize that I took all this for granted while you didn't.
While I'm not yet certain wether you seriously propose such a task force
it's no good idea I believe.
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> [A44]
> These roads have nothing to do with each other
No;
> and they shouldn't form a relationship in the database
they already do (with a small 'r'), it's the set of those ways within
the UK where ref=A44;
> and I shouldn't expect to get home from Aberystwyth
Nice one Andy! Came across really well. Hope we get some local takeup for the
weekend mapping party.
After his reference to the QI item in lead-up I couldn't help think of the QI
moment when Stephen Fry asked panel to say what map of the UK would cost. Alan
Davies answered £4-99, to which Fry re
Maplint seems to be throwing up "not-in-map_features" warnings about stuff
that is on the Map Features page. For example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.68309&lon=-3.91837&zoom=15&layers=0BTT
There are warnings for the direction=clockwise tags on mini roundabouts,
power=tower nodes and
Sven,
> I can't remember that ULFL ever claimed that.
Ok. There we go again. Nobody has claimed anything, but the fact of the
matter is that a number of people seem to think that those who vote make
a decision that is "a decision of the project" rather than "a decision
of those five people who
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Andrew McCarthy wrote:
> (2) A relation for that road's notional "route", that contains the
> relation above *plus* the (usually obvious) connecting bits that give
> you a single, long distance route from A to B.
Which bits you use to connect the disjointed sections are a rath
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|> Steve Hill wrote:
|> | Putting all of the separate bits of the UK's M11 in a single rela
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
[ Roads with multiple designations ]
> just using ref's doesn't work well.
Why don't they work well? Put multiple values in the tag separated by
semicolons - what's wrong with that? I understand that currently you
can't search on a single value
Lester Caine schrieb:
> Until there is some UNIQUE way of tagging high level relationships
> consistently, then there seems little point trying to fix fine detail at the
> lower level. It brings back up the simple problem of producing a unique list
> of objects in the data. How DO we currently i
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, graham wrote:
> I have mapped quite a few bus stops where the bus stop is on a pedestrian
> island and I want to show not only 'side of road' but also a fairly exact
> physical position. I'd be reluctant to give that up to plonk all my bus stops
> in the middle of the road..
Hi
I haven't begun using relations yet; I just decided to start doing so
and have confused myself about a very basic use case. Can some one tell
me what tags they they might[1] use to state that a group of
non-contiguous buildings belong to a particular university or hospital?
Thanks
Graham
[1
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 01:33:31PM +0100, Steve Hill wrote:
> But a motorway which is not a continuous road (i.e. has gaps in it) is
> _not_ a single road - I see no reason why it should be treated as one.
> Maybe you could cite some examples of why you need to treat it as a single
> road, even
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> Richard seemed to be arguing that putting the whole A11 (with or
> without
> the connecting parts from other roads) in a single relationship was
> "not
> brilliant". Surely that's what relationships are for?
No... because the information is already in there (in t
Definitely happening - being trailered right now, by a guy who sounds as
though he knows nothing!
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Steve Hill wrote:
> How are people tagging bus stops? I have been setting tagging nodes that
> are members of the way, which means they are part of the road they are on.
> Is this the right way to do it? It seems right since it unambiguously
> shows which road the stop is on, but it doesn't al
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David Ebling wrote:
| I'm firmly with Richard so far on this discussion.
|
| On one of the issues, Robert, your understanding of
| what "A14 (A11)" means seems very different to mine.
| If I understand you correctly, you're arguing the road
| should be
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
> But honestly, how can you
> ever believe that a process run by less than 0.1% of participants in
> the project can have any authority?
I can't remember that ULFL ever claimed that.
I also can't remember that anyone in this discussion has given any
reason or example w
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But a motorway which is not a continuous road (i.e. has gaps in it) is
> _not_ a single road - I see no reason why it should be treated as one.
> Maybe you could cite some examples of why you need to treat it as a single
>
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You don't think that searching for "M11" should
You seem to be discussing a hypothetical search engine - how it works
is dependent on the implementation of the search engine, not the
structure of the database, and
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> You don't think that searching for "M11" should produce one result for a
> road that covers the whole country, and searching for high street should
> produce hundreds of separate results?
But a motorway which is not a continuous road (i.e. has gap
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Steve Hill wrote:
> | Putting all of the separate bits of the UK's M11 in a single relation
> | sounds about as silly as putting all the roads in the UK called
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Steve Hill wrote:
| Putting all of the separate bits of the UK's M11 in a single relation
| sounds about as silly as putting all the roads in the UK called "Station
| Road" in a single relation - they are separate roads and there is no good
| reason to
Hello everyone,
Have updated the wiki page on the Southwest Surrey mapping party happening
on April 19/20, including a 'cake' showing the areas to cover and a
provisional schedule. For the moment I have suggested the Caffe Nero in
Godalming as a meeting place, however if I hear of any free wifi
Hi,
> Hmmm, you and some other guys effectively sabotaged voting several
> times.
This is not the first time you use the word "sabotage" in this
context. I think it's rather strong language; I have openly expressed
my opinion that's all.
> Did you noticed the side effect, that most of the
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> It might not be the A11 from the point of view of who is in
> charge of maintaining it, but it is the A11 from the point of
> view of someone following the route
Have you talked to the people who are in charge of the road?
Maybe they are friends of OSM, as oppose
> I only know Frederik of this list, perhaps the others could step forward
> and tell me who they are and what areas they would like to mentor.
Hi,
I am an self-employed Computer Scientist with lots of experience in
databases and web applications. I live and work in Germany.
In my day job, I bu
How are people tagging bus stops? I have been setting tagging nodes that
are members of the way, which means they are part of the road they are on.
Is this the right way to do it? It seems right since it unambiguously
shows which road the stop is on, but it doesn't allow any indication as to
For those interested I'm expecting to go into BBC WM local radio to do a
live interview at 14:10ish BST today. Part of the Les Ross show.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/wm.shtml to listen live
Cheers
Andy
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I must admit that I have never liked the use of such a large symbol
(green bus) for bus stops on the mapnik layer. I would be inclined to
use that for bus stations and design a smaller symbol for road-side bus
stops (yet can think of no suitable symbol just now - except perhaps a
small green loppyp
Lester Caine wrote:
> I harp back to *MY* original request.
I thought you might. ;)
> That there is a mechanism created for
> managing hierarchical data properly.
You can superimpose a "structure" on OSM two ways: either through
forcing the data to be entered and tagged in a certain way, or
Hi all,
Google summer of code application deadline has passed. We have received
27 applications. I have stripped out sensitive information such as
e-mail addresses and other contact information (and also a full CV) and
put the on this wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GSoC_Applicat
Hi all,
Google summer of code application deadline has passed. We have received
27 applications. I have stripped out sensitive information such as
e-mail addresses and other contact information (and also a full CV) and
put the on this wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GSoC_Applicat
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Lester Caine wrote:
> How DO we currently identify all roads in the UK, so
> that we don't end up with some of the simply silly links that the likes of
> Autoroute returns when asking for a location.
>
> We need a consistent UNIQUE index method that will allow all 'ref=M11'
> e
Never had occasion to do that but sure it is possible.
To move the TextSymboliser something like this moves label 8 pixels above the
symbol:
5
25000
[railway]='station'
Use of similar dy="xx" command (or dx=+/- to move in horizontal direction)
would work in PointSymbolizer command
Cheers
Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> until there is some UNIQUE way of tagging high level relationships
> consistently, then there seems little point trying to fix fine detail at
the
> lower level. It brings back up the simple problem of producing a unique
list
> of objects in the data. How D
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