Re: [OSM-talk] New Video Tutorial: Presets in Potlatch

2010-02-03 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Margie Roswell wrote: I admit to being disappointed in viewership on this one. Can anyone help to get the word out about this video? Those who know about the video are probably using JOSM. Potlach's target audience who would benefit from the video probably does not read the mailing lists...

[OSM-talk] haiti effort in New Scientist

2010-02-03 Thread Liz
http://bit.ly/dceDqc Apologies to those who get their New Scientist closer to publication date The team working on Haiti mapping get a good write up here ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Liz
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: I suspect you will have opponents, though, because having physical characteristics that can accommodate a bike is not verifiable. Actually I think it is verifiable as cycleways have design characteristics which provide inspiration for this ability to

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: this is valid for England and maybe Scotland and Wales (and probably some other countries), but it is not working on a worldwide basis. Your definition would in most of central Europe not be functioning: routers would lead pedestrians in areas where they are

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:18:09 +0100 you wrote: Am 03.02.2010 00:38, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, NopMap wrote: In contrast, I believe that there actually are people who try to listen to the sorrows of (potential) newcomers and want to lower the learning curve. Way too few,

Re: [OSM-talk] New Video Tutorial: Presets in Potlatch

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Margie Roswell wrote: I admit to being disappointed in viewership on this one. Can anyone help to get the word out about this video? Video's great! A couple of good places to promote it would be: - newbies@ mailing list - http://forum.openstreetmap.org/ (log on with your usual - Potlatch

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
Richard Fairhurst wrote: And your argument that people won't tag highway=cycleway; foot=no but will tag highway=path; bicycle=designated; foot=no is batshit insane. IMHO, the argument is perfectly valid. The problem with highway=cycleway and pedestrians isn't that adding a foot=no would be too

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
Any way, back to the original post Nokia is saying Nav4All's is wrong... http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/nokia_kiistaa_kilpailijan_navigoinnin_tappamisen

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tobias Knerr wrote: IMHO, the argument is perfectly valid. The problem with highway= cycleway and pedestrians isn't that adding a foot=no would be too much effort. The problem is that some people, while they wouldn't mind adding it, don't know that they need to add it in the first place.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Ed Loach
Generally, the more implicit assumptions you associate with a tag, the more probable it is that someone's implicit assumptions are different from yours. That's why a largely meaningless object like path has a certain appeal. I've always felt (whatever the wiki says) that path is a vague

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: ...routers would lead pedestrians in areas where they are not allowed to walk (cycleways). Nonsense. There'll be a footway alongside that they can use (99.999% of the time). If you want to micro-map a footway as

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: That is 300 times more open to misinterpretation than the cycleway example. Yet we cope. That's because the English have been trained to cope with stuff that nobody else understands for approximately the last 500 years, by way of ball games. --- start quote

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Lester Caine
Richard Mann wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: ...routers would lead pedestrians in areas where they are not allowed to walk (cycleways). Nonsense. There'll be a footway alongside that they can use (99.999% of the time). If you want

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Adrian Brain
Thanks Andy, after all these years I finally understand cricket. My life is complete. Adrian. --- On Wed, 3/2/10, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation

Re: [OSM-talk] New Video Tutorial: Presets in Potlatch

2010-02-03 Thread Margie Roswell
Thanks Richard, David, and Jean-Marc. All good ideas. (I didn't even know about the forum until just now.) I'll probably tackle the page of video tutorials later tonight. (Anyone have any favorites out there?) Best Regards, Margie On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Richard Fairhurst

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Um, yes, I do know the rules vary between countries. Firstly, like I say, you can accept that highway=cycleway implies foot=yes and bicycle=yes. Which it does for exactly the same reason that the tags are in English, the server code is in Ruby

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Dave F.
Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't think that the line is between hobby and professional. OSM with their volunteers does one kind of mapping, and TeleAtlas with their vans does another kind of mapping. Each has its own distinctive advantages. There are professional users wo spend money on OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Playing tagging democracy: standard building process and tag unifying towards it

2010-02-03 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: No but it's a carrot, most people most of the time are only going to map what they can see turn up on mapnik. This point is correct, to bring the thread back to on topic, OSM is best promoted, not by word of mouth as some have said, but by visualization mouth. People

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: The commercial maps have fixed tagging schemes, minimum quality standards and only accept trained personnel as mappers. They have long turnaround times and cost a lot of money to maintain. At OSM we have no fixed tagging schema, *no minimum quality standards* you see

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: well, the chap that first used cycleway might have been an Englishman, and might have had in mind that pedestrians are allowed, when tagging highway=cycleway, but there is absolutely no logic or natural meaning for cycleways to deduct access rights for

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Maybe whoever used it first did not think about access rights. Yes, I'm sure he didn't. We notice these things as the project evolves. OSM always has been a very pragmatic project, and more about what is possible than what is allowed. And there is

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 3 February 2010 15:32, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Whether the map use is to make money or not , if these ventures aren't taking the data because it's unusable then OSM has to be considered to be failing. Again, disillusioning. I think the single most important reason why

Re: [OSM-talk] Playing tagging democracy: standard building process and tag unifying towards it

2010-02-03 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 3 February 2010 15:38, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: John Smith wrote: No but it's a carrot, most people most of the time are only going to map what they can see turn up on mapnik. This point is correct, to bring the thread back to on topic, OSM is best promoted, not by word

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: well, the chap that first used cycleway might have been an Englishman, and might have had in mind that pedestrians are allowed, when tagging highway=cycleway, but there is absolutely no logic or natural meaning for cycleways to deduct access rights for pedestrians.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Dave F.
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Dave F. wrote: The commercial maps have fixed tagging schemes, minimum quality standards and only accept trained personnel as mappers. They have long turnaround times and cost a lot of money to maintain. At OSM we have no fixed tagging schema, *no minimum quality

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: Please take that in context with its following sentence. Can you show me a router that can get me door to door no matter where I live? Or a search utility that returns no false-positives? Not with OSM, nor with any other dataset available for any amount of money. OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What matters is the context in which that key/value has been used in OSM. And in that case, it's historically been used to imply pedestrian rights too. OK. And where can I find this information? If it is not findable,

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: OK. And where can I find this information? If it is not findable, it will not be used. Well, there's the rub. As a project, we are crap at documentation. Beyond crap. How anyone ever manages to get started with OSM amazes me. (And if you'll excuse me a hobby-horse,

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Dave F.
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Dave F. wrote: Please take that in context with its following sentence. Can you show me a router that can get me door to door no matter where I live? Or a search utility that returns no false-positives? Not with OSM, nor with any other dataset available for any

Re: [OSM-talk] Playing tagging democracy: standard building process and tag unifying towards it

2010-02-03 Thread Dave F.
Emilie Laffray wrote: On 3 February 2010 15:38, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: John Smith wrote: No but it's a carrot, most people most of the time are only going to map what they can see turn up on mapnik. This point is

Re: [OSM-talk] Playing tagging democracy: standard building process and tag unifying towards it

2010-02-03 Thread Jochen Plumeyer
Hi, so what about creating a small web application (data exportable into Excel etc.), with a database containing tagging schemes, their idioms, and possible aquivalent semantics? We can get the tagging statistics from tagwatch (I think this won't be enough, I think they do only statistics

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:52:01 +0100 you wrote: Well, I'm personally mapping holes in fences ;-), still it _is_ forbidden to walk on a German/Dutch/French/Italian cycleway, you might get fined (or get problems in case of an accident). Sorry, it's perfectly alright to walk on a

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:03:09 + you wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: But the routing/tagging of OSM doesn't fit anything at the moment. Huh? Please take that in context with its following sentence. Can you show me a router that can get me door to door no matter where I live?

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Liz
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: that we still have a Beginners' Guide on the wiki which focuses on the non-beginners' editor.) I didn't find the Beginners' Guide of 2 years ago helpful. No I didn't write a new one. Yes I did help someone with writing one which was published

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: I suspect you will have opponents, though, because having physical characteristics that can accommodate a bike is not verifiable. Actually I think it is verifiable as cycleways have design

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: That is 300 times more open to misinterpretation than the cycleway example. Yet we cope. So you're arguing that, because you guys are able to cope, these kind of tags are necessarily a good idea? The only thing they

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread Jon Stockill
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Ah, but the rules have changed. We now have three umpires. The third stays in but decides if those who are in are out if those umpires who are out are unsure whether those who are in are out or in. This certainly makes the rules a lot simpler don't

[OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Chango640
Hi people. I'm sending this mail in order to propose a new feature for the tag landuse: gated communities. These are a type of private neighbourhoods that are very common in Argentina, Brazil and many other countries, and have a notorious difference with ordinary city neighbourhoods. If you are

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 scholarship?

2010-02-03 Thread Arlindo Pereira
I second that question. I'd love to be able to attend the conference again. Cheers, Arlindo Pereira 2010/1/25 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: Are there plans on doing a similar fundraising for the SOTM 2010 scholarship? -- cheers, maning

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Chango640 chango...@gmail.com: Hi people. I'm sending this mail in order to propose a new feature for the tag landuse: gated communities. These are a type of private neighbourhoods that are very common in Argentina, Brazil and many other countries, and have a notorious difference

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 scholarship?

2010-02-03 Thread Nick Black
Hi Guys, I think Mikel is going to organise the same scholarship he was involved with last year. He might have some more info. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote: I second that question. I'd love to be able to attend the conference again.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Multiple Services to a Company/Building

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure it wouldn't be better to push for amenity=cafe;bakery;atm style multi-tagging instead? IIRC, there is opposition to multi-tagging - (I can't remember exactly who said that or why, though...I suspect it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Chango640
I thought about using landusehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landuse =residential http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dresidential(which I'm already using in cities and towns), but here in Argentina there is a strong difference between ordinary neighbourhoods and gated

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 06:24, Chango640 chango...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sending this mail in order to propose a new feature for the tag landuse: gated communities. These are a type of private neighbourhoods that are very common in Argentina, Brazil and many other countries, and have a notorious

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/2/3 Chango640 chango...@gmail.com: I thought about using landuse=residential (which I'm already using in cities and towns), but here in Argentina there is a strong difference between ordinary neighbourhoods and gated communities. Yes, that's what you are expressing with the subtags

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 08:50, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIR the barrier=fence should not be applied to an area, what means in pratical to draw a second way atop the area limits (not really elegant). Another approach is to tag fenced=yes to the area (don't know if someone

[OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread Nakor
Hello, The user osm_king (formerly n_ward) as been doing vandalism edits: building shaped like a penis, insulting changeset comments, creating ways in the middle of the Atlantic ... I kindly asked him to stop and got the following answer: Thanks for your feedback, but you can shove it up

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread Dave F.
Nakor wrote: Hello, The user osm_king (formerly n_ward) as been doing vandalism edits: building shaped like a penis, Yeah, I know, it's disgusting what those vandals get up to with their spray cans. ;-) http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/17/homer-and-the-cerne-abbas-giant/ But you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 12:04, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But you're right, he probably should be terminated. Is blocking the account going to be enough to prevent someone from simply signing up for a new account and continuing to do what they were unabbated, seems like a cat and mouse

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread Randy
John Smith wrote: On 4 February 2010 12:04, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: But you're right, he probably should be terminated. Is blocking the account going to be enough to prevent someone from simply signing up for a new account and continuing to do what they were unabbated, seems like a

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 14:58, Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe a more subtle approach would work, i.e., have a bot remove his edits x days after they are saved. That way he can make his changes, show his similarly idiotic friends what he has done, and they will be deleted when he no

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Multiple Services to a Company/Building

2010-02-03 Thread Ian Mc Shane
Hello Roy, 1) Do you want all that detail? Yes please :) I understand why you want all that data, but very little of it is being visualized through www.openstreetmap.org, leading on to your next comment: But I don't have my own database - I want to use the OSM database... If you are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Multiple Services to a Company/Building

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Ian Mc Shane ianmcsh...@live.co.za wrote: From what I understand the openstreetmap.org map is purely for show and not meant to be THE place to view all the data... its up to other groups to show what they want e.g. cloudmade, cyclemap, etc... Yup, this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread Lennard
John Smith wrote: Maybe a more subtle approach would work, i.e., have a bot remove his edits x days after they are saved. That way he can make his changes, show his similarly idiotic friends what he has done, and they will be deleted when he no longer has an interest in them. +1 Paging

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] detail omgeving oldenzaal

2010-02-03 Thread Rene Dohmen
Hoi Lennard, Ik neem aan dat het om dezelfde gegevens gaat als op: http://3dshapes.openstreetmap.nl/ Als er een mogelijkheid om de gemeenten Beesel en Venlo (inclusief Tegelen, Belfeld) te importeren kan ik daar aan verder werken. Bijvoorbeeld: Er ontbreekt nieuwbouw in dit gebied:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] detail omgeving oldenzaal

2010-02-03 Thread steggink
Rene, Een paar antwoorden op je opmerkingen: * Ontbreken van nieuwbouw: de 3dshapes data is niet helemaal recent. Ik meen dat het de situatie is van 2008. Voor 99% van de gevallen zal het wel goed zijn. * Landgebruik overlapt met paden: een GPS track kan altijd een afwijking hebben van een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] detail omgeving oldenzaal

2010-02-03 Thread Michiel Faber
Lennard wrote: Michiel Faber wrote: Ik weet niet hoe het proces precies loopt en wat ik nodig heb. Wie kan mij vertellen wat ik dan moet doen en eventueel helpen/begeleiden. Zoals Frank en theun wel kunnen beamen, is importeren van deze landuse een intensief proces, voorzien van de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Huidige status van NL kaarten

2010-02-03 Thread Sybren A. Stüvel
On Tuesday 02 February 2010 23:09:53 YRS wrote: Het lijkt mij veel meerwaarde hebben als een blinden met door een gps redelijk in de buurt van een startpunt van een geleidelijn geleid kunnen worden. Dan is het dus erg zinvol in mijn ogen om deze lijnen te mappen? Het lijkt mij heel nuttig

Re: [talk-au] How to undo saved edits?

2010-02-03 Thread Liz
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Arie Paap wrote: However Potlatch exposes deleted ways: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Primer#Undoing_mistakes So I use that to undelete the way and then continue editing (or switch back to JOSM) very good point I'm glad you raised this. This area really

Re: [talk-au] How to undo saved edits?

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 19:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Often newbies spend a lot of time putting in something and need a quick pick- me-up help so they don't get totally discouraged when all their hard work has been wasted. Maybe there should be a tutorial mode added to potlatch, with some

[talk-au] google maps criticised for unreliable toll road routing

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
@ http://apcmag.com/google-maps-bug-forces-melburnians-down-toll-roads.htm A bug in Google Maps Australia is forcing people down costly toll roads whether they like it or not. Just a thought - might be a nice reminder to check how we are doing on this front in OSM?

Re: [talk-au] google maps criticised for unreliable toll road routing

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 19:46, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Just a thought - might be a nice reminder to check how we are doing on this front in OSM? I've seen some toll booths marked, not sure how any of the routing engines deals with it however. In Brisbane gMaps keeps sending me via

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread Richard Colless
I spent a couple of days in Canberra recently. Getting around via the OSM maps was great - everything there and accurate. But, when I wanted to find a church on Sunday morning, I could only find one, and sorry, wrong denomination. Maybe a few more churches (all faiths) could be added to the

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 21:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: could be added to the POI's. Also had a bit of trouble locating a convenient petrol station - a lot were Unnamed. Not helpful when you have a wallet full of Coles or Woolworths discount vouchers. It might be useful to clarify

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:37 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It might be useful to clarify things when it comes to Coles Express and Woolworths locations as to what the operator/naming should be I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=*

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread John Henderson
Roy Wallace wrote: I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the operator tag. What I do find useful is the inclusion of a place name when looking at the list of outlets

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:29 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the operator tag. Thanks for the response, but I'm not

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 07:58, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?) Should be what ever the registered business name or company name is. ___ Talk-au

[talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-02-03 Thread John Kitchener
Seems Openmtbmap has recently got 'sea polygons' organized. :) Here is a Mapsource Noosa view. It's not 100% for the entire coastline, but it's pretty damn good. http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6421/noosamtb.jpg Regards John k ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Is the name actually Woolworths Renmark, though? If not, it shouldn't be in the name tag...(right?) Strictly correct.  But finding the right name for the particular outlet isn't necessarily easy.  Searching

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread edodd
Roy Wallace wrote: I use name=Woolworths for Woolworths petrol stations. Have never used the operator=* tag - should I? I haven't seen any difference to the rendering with or without the operator tag. What I do find useful is the inclusion of a place name when looking at the list of

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 13:01, ed...@billiau.net wrote: Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name (for Australia) because I never found it to make sense I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right? I've been setting the Operator to the fuel they supply, eg

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread Steve Bennett
Can we document on the wiki which is Operator and which is Name (for Australia) because I never found it to make sense I suspect Operator is the franchise name - am I right? IMHO, Operator should act like a controlled vocabulary with a small number of choices. For ATMs, for example, Operator

Re: [talk-au] google maps criticised for unreliable toll road routing

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 13:44, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I've only checked Citylink here, but I notice that neither Mapnik nor Osmarender renders tollroads any differently. How strange. Why is it strange that no one put in a request to have them render differently?

Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 16:01, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: +1. e.g. for Woolworths Caltex petrol, is it Woolworths or Caltex? For those with a discount voucher they're probably more interested in looking for Woolworths stations than Caltex stations... I usually set name=Woolworths

Re: [talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-02-03 Thread Sean Williams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not only have they created sea polygons but they have turned the land into polygons also. The only way to do it. John Kitchener wrote: Seems Openmtbmap has recently got 'sea polygons' organized. :) Here is a Mapsource Noosa view. It's not 100%

[Talk-br] Mapping Party #2

2010-02-03 Thread Diogo
Pessoal, Gostaria de convidá-los para mais uma mapping party em Sao Paulo, a ser feita neste fim de semana. Onde mapearemos ainda está em aberto, peço a todos que participem para ajudarmos o projeto. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo_Feb_2010_Mapping_Party Um abraço, Diogo

Re: [Talk-de] Baarle/Nassau - Admin-boundaries?

2010-02-03 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Stefan Schwan schrieb: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Baarle-Nassau_fronti%C3%A8re_caf%C3%A9.jpg Wie ist das, wenn ich hier mit einem Fuss in NL, mit dem anderen in B stehe und jemanden verkloppe[1]? Komme ich dann in NL oder in B ins Gefängnis? ;-) ist sogar schon auf

Re: [Talk-de] Wie Marker aus der slippymap in PHP nutzen?

2010-02-03 Thread Christian Knorr
Am Mittwoch, den 03.02.2010, 01:35 +0100 schrieb Stefan Schwan: Hallo Bei nur wenigen Markern kannst du den entsprechenden JS Code einfach per PHP in einer Schleife einfügen. Es geht nur um einen Einzigen: seine Heimat. Alle anderen werden statisch und unverschiebbar eingefügt. echo var

Re: [Talk-de] Baarle/Nassau - Admin-boundaries?

2010-02-03 Thread Florian Gross
Chris-Hein Lunkhusen glaubte zu wissen: Stefan Schwan schrieb: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Baarle-Nassau_fronti%C3%A8re_caf%C3%A9.jpg Wie ist das, wenn ich hier mit einem Fuss in NL, mit dem anderen in B stehe und jemanden verkloppe[1]? Komme ich dann in NL oder in B ins Gefängnis?

Re: [Talk-de] Baarle/Nassau - Admin-boundaries?

2010-02-03 Thread Stefan Schwan
Am 3. Februar 2010 09:47 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Stefan Schwan schrieb: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Baarle-Nassau_fronti%C3%A8re_caf%C3%A9.jpg Wie ist das, wenn ich hier mit einem Fuss in NL, mit dem anderen in B stehe und jemanden verkloppe[1]? Komme ich dann

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Sven Anders
Am 03.02.2010 01:57, schrieb Hanno Böck: Da ihr grad so schön am diskutieren seid, ich hätt noch eine harte Nuss für Euch: Ich hab den Großteil meines bisherigen Lebens in einer Straße verbracht, die auf der einen Seite Plauener Weg heißt, auf der anderen aber Plauenerweg Ich hab mal

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread hy-soft
Ulf Lamping wrote: P.S: Was erzählst du eigentlich für einen Humbug? Wenn ich auf der Hauptseite nach turmstrasse suche, bekomme ich beide möglichen Schreibweisen geliefert! Kein Humbug. Ich bekomme da nix. ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread hy-soft
Claudius wrote: Du hast gelesen, dass sich die Botregel [1] für die Korrektur Straße auf Deutschland und Österreich beschränkt und eine zweite [2] für Korrekturen zu Strasse im Gebiet der Schweiz existiert? Schon klar. Nur, wenn jemand aus der Schweiz diese Zeichen nicht auf der Tastatur

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Simon
Nein, die Person hieße dann 'Plauener'. ;) Gruß, Martin Am 03.02.10 schrieb Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net: Am 03.02.2010 01:57, schrieb Hanno Böck: Ich hab den Großteil meines bisherigen Lebens in einer Straße verbracht, die auf der einen Seite Plauener Weg heißt, auf der anderen aber

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Tobias Knerr
hy-soft schrieb: Nur, wenn jemand aus der Schweiz diese Zeichen nicht auf der Tastatur hat, dann sucht er in D eben nach Wilhelmstrasse und nicht nach Wilhelmstraße. Und wenn dann nichts gefunden wird -bei mir ist das so- ist es eben frustrierend und der user wird dann eben nicht bei OSM

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Claudius
Am 03.02.2010 14:14, hy-soft: Ulf Lamping wrote: P.S: Was erzählst du eigentlich für einen Humbug? Wenn ich auf der Hauptseite nach turmstrasse suche, bekomme ich beide möglichen Schreibweisen geliefert! Kein Humbug. Ich bekomme da nix. Entweder war der Nomination zu deinem Testzeitpunkt

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Claudius
Am 03.02.2010 14:14, hy-soft: Ulf Lamping wrote: P.S: Was erzählst du eigentlich für einen Humbug? Wenn ich auf der Hauptseite nach turmstrasse suche, bekomme ich beide möglichen Schreibweisen geliefert! Kein Humbug. Ich bekomme da nix. Noch einfacher: Siehst du denn hier die verschiedenen

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread hy-soft
Tobias Knerr wrote: Übrigens: Bei mir findet Nominatim für Wilhelmstrasse problemlos auch Wilhelmstraßen, was die ganze Diskussion ziemlich theoretisch macht.. Also ich habe mal nach Oberried Hauptstrasse gesucht und auch nach Oberried Hauptstr Da kommt bei mir nix. die Strasse ist aber da

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 01:57:09AM +0100, Hanno Böck wrote: Da ihr grad so schön am diskutieren seid, ich hätt noch eine harte Nuss für Euch: Ich hab den Großteil meines bisherigen Lebens in einer Straße verbracht, die auf der einen Seite Plauener Weg heißt, auf der anderen aber

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:12:55PM +0100, Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR) wrote: Dieter Jasper schrieb: Langversion ist sicher besser. aber die Langform sollte sich nur auf Abkürzungen wie str. etc beziehen. Eine D.-Martin-Luther-Straße sollte m.E. nicht plötzlich zur

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 3. Februar 2010 14:14 schrieb hy-soft hy-s...@sha-mash.de: Ulf Lamping wrote: P.S: Was erzählst du eigentlich für einen Humbug? Wenn ich auf der Hauptseite nach turmstrasse suche, bekomme ich beide möglichen Schreibweisen geliefert! Kein Humbug. Ich bekomme da nix. bist Du online? Bei

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 3. Februar 2010 14:45 schrieb hy-soft hy-s...@sha-mash.de: Tobias Knerr wrote: Übrigens: Bei mir findet Nominatim für Wilhelmstrasse problemlos auch Wilhelmstraßen, was die ganze Diskussion ziemlich theoretisch macht.. Also ich habe mal nach Oberried Hauptstrasse gesucht und auch nach

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Thomas Ineichen
Hallo Hy, Also ich habe mal nach Oberried Hauptstrasse gesucht und auch nach Oberried Hauptstr Da kommt bei mir nix. Das liegt aber an einem anderen Problem: Search terms are processed left to right http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim Wenn Du also nach Hauptstrasse Oberried

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Czarkowski
Am 03.02.2010 15:40, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Man sollte mal beginnen, eine internationale (bzw.multinationale) Ersetzungs-/Abkürzungsliste aufzustellen, oder gibts sowas schon irgendwo? Bin auch dafür, genauso wie Bgm. XY Straße für Bürgermeister XY Straße. Jeder könnte Abkürzungen

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Stefan Popp
Am 03.02.2010 16:01, schrieb Martin Czarkowski: Am 03.02.2010 15:40, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Man sollte mal beginnen, eine internationale (bzw.multinationale) Ersetzungs-/Abkürzungsliste aufzustellen, oder gibts sowas schon irgendwo? Bin auch dafür, genauso wie Bgm. XY

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR)
Florian Lohoff schrieb: On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:25:03PM +0100, Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR) wrote: D. ist unueblich fuer Doktor und sollte von daher entweder zu Dr. oder Doktor korrigiert werden. Bitte NICHT ändern! Das D. ist für den Doktor der Theologie sehr wohl

Re: [Talk-de] Straßenname kurz oder lang?

2010-02-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 3. Februar 2010 16:01 schrieb Martin Czarkowski czarkow...@gmail.com: Am 03.02.2010 15:40, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Man sollte mal beginnen, eine internationale (bzw.multinationale) Ersetzungs-/Abkürzungsliste aufzustellen, oder gibts sowas schon irgendwo? Bin auch dafür, genauso wie

[Talk-de] network-Relationen in JOSM fehlen ploetzlich

2010-02-03 Thread Torsten Leistikow
Moin, bisher wurden bei mir in JOSM (schon etwas aelter: Version 2255) beim Runterladen von Kartendaten vom Server auch die network-Relationen mit runtergeladen, die andere Relationen als Mitglieder haben, die ein Mitglied innerhalb des Gebiets haben. Das klappt nun nicht mehr. Ich bekomme zwar

Re: [Talk-de] network-Relationen in JOSM fehlen ploetzlich

2010-02-03 Thread Carsten Gerlach
Moin, Am Mittwoch 03. Februar 2010 17:05:00 schrieb Torsten Leistikow: Woran liegt das? Und vorallem: Was kann ich dagegen tun? Im Reltaionseditor gibt es die Reiter Merkmalre und Elemente, Eltern- Relationen und Kind-Relationen. Im zweiten Reiter klickst du auf Neu laden und dann kommen die

  1   2   3   >