Ian Caldwell wrote:
On part of the Malvern Common there is a football pitch which is notable
as it flat and mowed, unlike the rest of the common but on Mapnik they
are shown as the same colour.
Any suggestions?
Leave it be?
Seriously: You've got the tagging right, so there's no need to
John Robert Peterson wrote:
If you look at the use cases -- 2 spring to mind: some people looking
for somwhere to play football; somone out with a mobile device trying
to work out where they are on a common (if they can use the football
field as a frame of reference, they will know exactly
Bráulio Bezerra da Silva wrote:
Will it ever happen?
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Dave F. wrote:
Could it be possible to change the render a the highest detail level or
two, to display the C+number. In the example you give it they would
certainly fit.
Dave,
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but you've raised a common point
which needs clarifying.
OpenCycleMap is a
Steve Chilton wrote:
I am pleased to announce that the first of the OS 7th series out-of-copyright
maps are available for use in OSM.
Steve,
The list of sheets on the wiki pages doesn't include any information for
list sheet 79, Stranraer -- it doesn't have any colour markings. Is this
just an
Gervase Markham wrote:
So why did you make the noname map in the first place, if it's not
important? Have you changed your mind about its usefulness?
It's useful *as a guide*, or a tool. What some people seem to be unable
to grasp is that *it's OK for a road to appear in red on NoNames*. You
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Shaun McDonald wrote:
I've noticed that there is an offset in Dumfries that is noticeable
(the current data is based on GPS). I've not checked to see how
widespread the problem is.
Over the other side of the region in Newton Stewart there's a pretty
good match between some GPS traces I took
Russ Nelson wrote:
On the other side you have mappers who want to create useful data, not
a pile of random rubbish.
No-one wants to create random rubbish. What people do want is to be able
to describe what they've just mapped without needing prior approval from
the OpenStreetMap Tagging
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
As Kyle Gordon brought up in this thread the issue is that the OSM
data has both building=yes/no and building=true/false and flickr only
supports the former.
Dave F. suggested that the OSM database be normalized to just use the
former because that's simpler.
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
I wish OSM has a redirect feature for deleted nodes, ways, and
relations sort of like what Wikipedia has for its articles and pages.
Maybe a redirect=* tag? :-)
You mean something like this?:
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2194
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Frankie Roberto wrote:
Ha, well there's a contentious statement! If that were the case, then
why do we even bother with the Mapnik/Osmarender tiles? Surely they're
the ultimate form of doing clever stuff with the data.
Primarily so mappers can see what they've been doing, as a form of
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
It seems rather contra to the spirit of free software and open source it
has to be said.
Not at all. You're free to do whatever you want with the data, and most
of the software used to create, store, process and display it.
What you can't do is expect someone else to
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming
traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the
other side?
OSM also never tells you to turn 180 degrees across a motorway central
reservation, then drive off the side of a
Valent Turkovic wrote:
Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used
also for mapping city's quarters.
Only issue is that when you map quarter of some town or village currently
the quarter has bigger font than name of village or town.
You should use the suburb
Anthony wrote:
Eh, I'd take on Google pro se (or with the help of free EFF lawyers or
the like) over the issue of the ToS, and based on US law I'm pretty sure
I'd win. However, I'm aware that other users of OSM don't have the
benefit US-jurisdictional copyright law with respect to factual
David Muir Sharnoff wrote:
Perhaps the OSM database should be moved out of the EU to a location
that doesn't suffer from a Database Rights law.Extracting from
no-EU data source by people not in the EU would then be okay for sure.
Great! Let us know when you've secured the funding for this
Tobias Knerr wrote:
How about offer reliable service with good uptimes? After the recent
maintenance weekend it was stated that our services are not really
intended for the public (at least if they need them and don't just
experiment with them) and we are only about data. If that's still the
Liz wrote:
I'm looking to implant some OSM maps into Wikipedia, but I need some examples
of their wiki editing style so I don't get my edits rubbed out by the style
police.
Could people please advise me of wikipedia pages with OSM maps so I can view
the style of the pages?
Liz,
See:
Peter Reed wrote:
I have done some preliminary measures of OSM coverage for Scotland and
Wales based on using NUTS-3 regional boundaries as common ground to
compare DfT figures for the length of roads in a local authority
against the length of roads in OSM.
Peter,
Thanks for producing
David Earl wrote:
On 18/08/2009 12:42, Chris Hill wrote:
What is the point of local chapters in England? We don't have language
conversion issues, currency issues or time zone issues.
The main reason is one of the reasons behind the idea of local chapters
in the first place - to give an
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
no, we shouldn't. But what's so strange about the desire to tag
nuclear installations? Why not tag all chemical plants? There is a lot
of benefit in mapping not just industrial but also the type of
industry, be it chemical, automotive, steel, clothing or whatever.
Mike Ryan wrote:
Hi
Not really sure if this is the right place to ask, but I wanted to leave
a comment on the Opengeodata.org website and you need to login first.
However, there's nowhere listed to register. Does anyone know how to do
this on there?
I appears to be disabled at the moment.
Roy Wallace wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
High ground clearance required?
...So 4WD_Only is not really the correct terminology
and does not clearly identify the problem? IS it ground clearance, deep
fords,
mud or poor traction conditions ...
John Smith wrote:
I feel there is a very real need to describe something that is between
residential and track and up until this point in time unclassified has been
used.
If there are types of roads in Australia that you feel the existing tags
don't adequately describe, feel free to start
John Smith wrote:
Is it forbidden, explicitly or otherwise?
Yes. Unless it's explicitly permitted, it's forbidden.
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Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
Remember that data is no good if it's not rendered,
Remember that rendering a map isn't the only use for geodata.
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Peter Childs wrote:
Its just I can't find anything on the wiki.
There's
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dsand
and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Breakwater
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Richard Mann wrote:
If only it were as black and white as that. In practice it's a continuum
of usage, maintenance and signposting, not a fact=yes / fact=no.
We have a pretty good rule of thumb, which is Can an independent mapper
verify the information?. If there's no way of doing so without
Brian Prangle wrote:
If it's a red route I'd suggest red_route=yes
traffic_restriction=red_route ?
or maybe
traffic_restriction=no_stopping
I'm not a fan of key=yes/no tags if they can be avoided -- they don't
explain what key means a lot of the time.
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Peter Childs wrote:
In short if some local bike group have published them, then map them.
They are official to that bike User Group and perfectly good routes to
use (I guess) In short feel free to put in a relation for any
published route. So long as it either has signs and/or some documented
Peter Childs wrote:
What I think we're saying is; we don't want things on the map that are
not actually there on the ground. either via Signs or Real Things.
So a Route route round a country park marked with Purple Arrows can be
marked. But a Route on a leaflet, notice board (or website)
John McKerrell wrote:
How about a bus route? Though there's bus stops along the way there's no
arrows or anything like that saying bus route goes this way. Not
trying to be difficult, just wondering.
There are some people in the OSM community who argue that bus routes
shouldn't be in the DB,
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
If anyone has old 1:25,000 Provisional/First edition maps that they are
happy to donate to the cause I'd be most interested to hear from them.
On this subject, do we think it's worth contacting Alan Godfrey to see
if he has digital images of the maps he
John Smith wrote:
I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest.
It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important
just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do the work.
By comparison, when Relations were proposed, they happened because
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Therefore my appeal: Ask your next admin/provider for ipv6 , make a
plan and
make the network working, add the to dns an be happy. Solve the little
problems .
Asked and answered.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-October/018603.html
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Thomas Schäfer wrote:
No, the answer was not satisfying.
What part of it's not under our control didn't you understand?
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Stefan de Konink wrote:
Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :)
Great idea! How long do you think it will take you?
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Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Lets solving the Chicken-and-egg problem in ipv6 by simply doing it.
OK -- when are you available to set it up?
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Mike wrote:
Folks,
Does anyone know what the state of play is with the XAPI servers?
According to the status page, Hypercube is b0rked, OSM is still on v5
and bearstech is running with stale data.
Are there any other servers? Are the others likely to return to full
service?
I don't
Andy Allan wrote:
Gah, the common misconception rears up again. Repeat after me:
It is perfectly OK to tag for the renderer
It's not on to tag incorrectly for the renderer
Or if you like:
OK = Hey Andy I see you render NCN mileposts. What tags make them get
rendered since I want to put
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
Sustrans do not have accurate locations for their mileposts and art so
are interested in data gathered by OSM contributors.
I'll try to get all the ones on the northern half of NCN 7 the weekend
after next.
Do we have an existing tagging scheme for
Tobias Knerr wrote:
Relations are not Categories uses the argument that you can query for
all objects that carry a tag. This isn't enough, however, if the
combined information from tags and coordinates doesn't qualify as an
unique identifier. The situation for architects, imo, resembles the
Jacek Konieczny wrote:
If the clubs have documented and are maintaining the routes, then they
are official enough. Just use the operator tag to mark which club is
responsible for which route. network tag could be also used for that,
but it is currently used rather for describing network scope
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Albert Speer.
Father and son, quite notorious case by the way...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer,_Jr.
the grand father http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Friedrich_Speer
also was an architect, but there is no
...and how many buildings designed by either have you tagged so far?
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
if you didn't destroy them... ;-)
Ah, they were clients of AT Harris Urban Remodelling Services?
Unfortunate as that is, it just reinforces my second point: Don't try to
solve a problem that you haven't actually encountered yet.
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Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
Any comments?
Important to who?
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Ed Loach wrote:
Important to who?
A good question. Perhaps prominence rather than important?
Using synonyms for Importance doesn't answer the basic question.
Anything not based on observable fact is inherently subjective. There
are many ways to arrive at your own score for importance based
Shaun McDonald wrote:
I've taken another look at the wording. I think that the wording could
be changed from Start mapping with OpenStreetMap to Start LIVE
editing the OpenStreetMap data.
I don't think that will be enough -- as David pointed out, the idea that
an application has a Save
Tom Hughes wrote:
I normally just use tertiary for roads which are not A/B but are
significant through roads of some sort.
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
But saying: We don't intend to support this because we cannot think of
an application that absolutely requires it, is quite un-OSM, is it not?
Qualify application as application which actually uses the geodata,
and it's not so far off the mark. We don't need a million
andrzej zaborowski wrote:
You might be missing out on a cool visualisation tool though (maybe
what Bernhard is trying doing is similar), but that's the only use
case I can think of right now.
How does that help anyone a) use the data, or b) improve the data? See
ITO's OSM Mapper if you want a
Ian Dees wrote:
Woah! Since when can OSM tell me what sort of applications I can and
can't write with the open source data that OSM is providing**?
You're not being told what to do with the data, but it's being suggested
to you that you can't have it in a particular, resource-intensive format
andrzej zaborowski wrote:
Cool visualisation tools don't have to comply with a) or b), they just
need to be cool :)
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Peter Childs wrote:
In that case what we may need is a phonetic name tag. (Oh dear)
Like the one on:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/18167379
then?
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andrzej zaborowski wrote:
I think wikipedia=XX:NAME was choosen because the other way you can
Chosen? Where? As far as I can see the only discussion is at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/External_links#Wikipedia
and that says wikipedia:XX=article name in that language
Jacek Konieczny wrote:
You don't need multiple values. Other languages are linked in Wikipedia,
no need to duplicate this in OSM.
If a place is described in 20 national Wikipedias do we really want 20
wikipedia=XX:name tags in OSM when only single wikipedia=XX:name
links to all the pages?
Russ Nelson wrote:
Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry? If I do this
under a special username, then there is no problem backing out
MP wrote:
How large is the current delay before uploaded data became visible?
I've uploaded some changes in JOSM, provided a comment ... and when I
re-downloaded the area again, my changes were not there.
The servers are *very, very* busy right now, and it's possible that your
changes didn't
Frederik Ramm wrote:
That would be a bug in JOSM then. The API has no delay.
It could be that you get no warning when the upload fails under certain
circumstances. Hasn't happened to me on the latest SVN build, though.
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Steve Hill wrote:
You'd need a different projection since the disc is flat. :)
Coordinate system, surely?
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Ed Loach wrote:
Indeed you can have designated public footpaths that pass through
urban areas
snip
Like this one?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.23497mlon=-0.59355zoom=17layers=B000FTF
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Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote:
for standalone bits. Of course, without visiting a place, you can't
really map it. So who wants to try to try to organise a map-up event at
their local brewery?
Mine definitely needs mapping:
David Earl wrote:
My bet is they were produced by pointing at an OS map (especially as
they are grid refs not lat/lon) and are therefore OS derived. The DfT
may be happy for anyone to use them however they want, but the OS will
not be.
Giving the coordinates as gridrefs, and not lat/lon
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
But one of my plans for Freemap (shortly to be re-launched as OpenFootMap,
all being well) is to add a nationwide Fix My Paths feature where users
can use OSM-derived maps to report a problem with a path. In other words,
they could click on the map, then the
Matthias Julius wrote:
What is the definition of a category here?
I would call a category something like buildings that are 29 strories
tall. An architect I would call an (abstract) object that can have
other attributes as well like a birthdate, an email address and so
on. (Whether all
Matthias Julius wrote:
I just prefer to explicitly link objects together over duplication of
data.
As long as the buildings are tagged consistently, having the tag is
probably enough -- you can then use XAPI to query the DB for all
buildings by a particular architect.
Nop wrote:
So a good vote needs a better system and considerably more attention.
But just because people have not been paying attention when asked to
contribute does not give them the right to overrule those who did.
A good system for reaching consensus is based on discussion, not mere
Is this our first bit of large-scale vandalism?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.78377lon=-119.20424zoom=16layers=00B0FTF
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
For features with a previous use (eg abandoned stations) I have more of as
problem at this juncture of the project. At some point I'd really like to be
able to record some historical map data but I don't feel we have the tools
and editing visualisation
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
One quick win. When you search for OpenStreetMap on your favourite
search engine, it returns something like this:
OpenStreetMap
Licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0
license by the OpenStreetMap project and its contributors. ...
Peter Miller wrote:
Btw, I have had xybot turning natural=wood into landuse=forest.
Where I come from a wood and forest are not the same thing at all.
Indeed not. I'd say a natural=wood refers to where trees have
self-seeded and spread naturally, while landuse=forest is a man-made,
artificially
Frank Sautter wrote:
can you please provide some information about that (way id). as far as
i can say this should not happen. xybot changed natural=forest to
landuse=forest and yes, wood and forest are not the same.
No, they aren't. And neither are natural and landuse -- natural
describes what
elvin ibbotson wrote:
Steve,
It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and posting
elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent attempt to
make you look foolish. I look forward to it being demonstrated that
'most people don't know what coordinates are'.
Shaun McDonald wrote:
(I'm wondering if there is a station out there that has all the
railway=platforms mapped, rather than just placing a footpath to the
railway=station node.)
Guildford station is pretty close, thanks to TimSC.
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Stanislav Brabec wrote:
A completely different community project Discogs has following policy:
- You can subscribe to news in area of your interest.
- Voting on new data: Tell, how correct and accurate are these changes
are.
- Vote is a privilege, new users don't have vote privilege.
80n wrote:
I knew about latitude and longitude about 25 years before hyperlinks
were even invented, let alone permalinks.
I didn't think you were *that* old...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_hypertext_technology
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Ian Dees wrote:
It might be interesting to start a draw your campus competition
similar to the one that Google did for its Sketchup application, but on
OSM. What d'ya think?
I think we should actually ask the marketing departments of the
Universities in question to arrange a donation of their
Andy Allan wrote:
Doesn't seem to stop people arguing about it on the wiki, but every
single time someone has claimed that there are cycleway=opposite in
the UK it's never (AFAIK) actually held up to scrutiny.
I think Union Street in Southwark:
...you go on holiday to a Scottish island, and one of the words your
two-year old son learns while he's there is GPS.
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Nic Roets wrote:
The same route with osm data.
http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/~lambertus/routing-world/?flat=55.863481flon=-4.427433tlat=55.859127tlon=-4.259269v=carfast=1
At first glance it look better...
Not from here. OSM + Gosmore sends you the correct (and possible) route.
Google Maps
Just to confirm the details:
Wednesday 13th, 7.30pm onwards,
The Britannia pub, Millmead, Guildford
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.233227mlon=-0.576105zoom=17
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While we're on the subject of dataset quality, you may want to consider
this journey from Glasgow Airport to Glasgow Central station:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Not a Surrey person (but residing in the next door county at least)
but I
might be interested particularly if I can combine it with a mapping trip
to the area on the same day.
Nick,
I've always thought of you as a Surrey person -- you've done more
mapping around
SteveC wrote:
I'm no longer in the UK so I won't make it.
I have 3G -- we can Skype you in from wherever you happen to be.
I can forward some people who might not follow this list if you want.
Please do...
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It's been a while -- anyone fancy meeting up for a beer in Guildford
soon? We could even go to 80n's choice of pub this time...
I propose Wednesday 13th, but am open to other suggestions.
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Jochen Topf wrote:
I find 207 000 places in Europe and only 57 000 population tags.
I've just done my bit by adding a population tag to Guildford. Only
149,999 places to go
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Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:
While we won't have access to the live db at the event
Andy,
Do you have enough machines available that if a virtual machine image of
a working OSM stack got built, you could use that?
I'm thinking:
* Build VM image of OSM server
* Import latest
Inge Wallin wrote:
I'd like to be able to show these three different turning facilities (the
first one isn't a circle) on the map. One way would be to add a size tag:
highway=turning_circle
size=small | medium | large
with small or medium being the default. What do you think?
I
Florian Lohoff wrote:
There are even turning circles around a house or with parking lots in
the middle.
Those aren't turning circles -- a turning circle is just a wider,
usually rounded piece of road to allow vehicles to turn where there
wouldn't otherwise be space.
Here's what I was mapping
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Hello everyone,
Would like to announce the initial release of Freemap Mobile, a Java ME
mapping application for mobile devices. Freemap Mobile displays Freemap
maps (i.e. UK countryside-orientated OSM maps) on a GPS enabled mobile
phone (e.g. Nokia N95) and the
Shaun McDonald wrote:
For those that haven't noticed, the cake is available to sign up to.
The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie...
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person for this job, and they may just be an OSMer. After all, we're a
frighteningly intelligent bunch...
Note that the reply address is different to the one on this mail.
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heise online
elvin ibbotson wrote:
Things humans read need to be human readable. The database should be
read by software and if it can be faster and more efficient using
numbers, numbers are what should be used.
The best way of proving this would be to come up with your own version
of the OSM server
OJ W wrote:
Well done to everyone involved in the southwest surrey mapping party --
we now offer a useful map to anyone needing a walk, a bike ride, or a
country pub in an area of countryside which is accessible to many people
Well done indeed -- looks good. Sorry I couldn't join you in the
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
I note that near where I live, someone has traced the edge of the high
resolution imagery and tagged it:
Do people agree with this example? If so I'll add it to Oxford and any
others I come across.
I'd disagree, and even go so far as to say tagging things like
Frederik Ramm wrote:
In the long(er) run we'll have to think about multiple data layers
anyway. For example, someone might want to map the ancient city of
Rome, or someone might want to map aviation routes and airspace, and
the like.
I have exactly such a project in mind.
So we will, sooner
Niccolo Rigacci wrote:
we tag unpaved traks as highway (sound very
confusing for Italian people!).
It could have been worse -- we could have used 'thoroughfare' as the
key, and then waited for non-Brits to pronounce it.
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SteveC wrote:
Having considered many great proposals, Ireland has been chosen for
SOTM08
We should get DERI (http://www.deri.ie/) at UGC involved. I'm assuming
the venue is Limerick, as proposed on the Wiki (although I wouldn't
object to SOTM being in Galway).
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