is to
claim that you don't have a trademark on it.
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But it does tell us several other things: routability and speed. Here
in the US, we have the tiger data, which is 90% correct. Trouble is
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, but you are right to bound it at plus or minus
three. I assume that you mean the default for an ordinary residential
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into the pattern:
http://OpenTopoMap.org - http://toposm.com
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, and blue. Personally, I would have chosen orange green
and white, but that's just me.
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, the judge would laugh the OSMF out of court, IF
he didn't fine the OSMF for contempt of court. In order for a
contract to be enforceable it must be a reasonable contract.
On Jun 1, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Francis Davey wrote:
2009/6/1 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com:
Note the (non-exclusively
if something is moved. Also the
spacing needed is render dependent.
Is there an alternative to the Karlsruhe scheme?
IMHO, the address ways should pass directly in front of people's front
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them once, and
should reuse them for different ways.
P.S. Who should I contact to ask to create talk-lv mailing list?
Better to talk about things here in English. We can help you and you
can help us.
P.S.S. Sorry for my engish :D
Ha! It's better than my Lativan!
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. I have a question about 999 Elm St. NW and
882 Main St, NW. Why do their addressing ways cross? And why aren't
they parallel to the roads they describe? Other than those two
quibbles, I'm lovin' it!
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on them?
I can think of examples where that might not be perfect. But I'd be
happier if the data was much less imperfect.
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. For $6000 each, they had BETTER
have a GPS in them!
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know if the licenses were ported or
translated (following your use of those two terms), but the goal was
to have licenses which may be read and trusted to be legally accurate
no matter where you are in the EU.
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interpolation does seem complex. But when I look at
OSM areas
mapped using it, and also recall problems I've encountered with
geocoding,
I think the Karlsruhe
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one price, and another buyer another
price. It's *quite* possible that there is an unadvertised price for
non-profits. OpenStreetMap is a non-profit. Don't assume that
they're going to charge you the same price as a profit-making entity.
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programmers. We're used to not sleeping, right?
o And in a similar vein, except for China, English is the language
of computer programmers.
o Phone calls are a very effective way to keep a group in synch and
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about when a node, way, or relation is done are necessarily going to
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http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/2369
Great minds think alike ... and then there's me. :)
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On May 10, 2009, at 2:01 AM, maning sambale wrote:
Is there one already?
I think polyshp2osm will still work fine for api 0.6. It just writes
osm files which create new nodes.
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, at 3:25 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote:
any legal process against OpenStreetMap would put the entire
project at risk.
No, not innocent infringement for reasons I've explained earlier.
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Department of Transportation
Bicycle Parking Assistant
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). It doesn't
protect contributions to creativity. Think of the lawsuits if it
did! Why, I'm contributing to your OSM efforts by clarifying
copyright for you, so I would have a copyright interest in your OSM
edits if your theory was correct.
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On May 6, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Russ Nelson wrote:
What work or creativity did Google do towards the existence of
that particular point?
Google's imagery suppliers collected and rectified the imagery. For
over a
hundred years, English courts have held
On May 6, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Russ Nelson wrote:
On May 6, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Openstreetmap is about gathering map data and sharing it. Some
people seem
desperate to import data from anywhere. GATHER IT YOURSELF.
The problem is that people say Why should I have
On May 6, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
El Miércoles, 6 de Mayo de 2009, Russ Nelson escribió:
The problem is that people say Why should I have to repeat this
work? It's already been done. Why can't we just import it?
Why should I have to repeat this work? It's already
On May 6, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Dair Grant wrote:
Russ Nelson wrote:
TeleAtlas data is copyrighted, and when licensed is licensed under an
incompatible copyright.
The data you're proposing taking from Wikipedia is probably derived,
via
Google, from that same TeleAtlas (or Navteq) data
if somebody has a better idea later.
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infringing. Rest easy. We incur no extra legal
risk when importing public-domain or licensed (under a compatible
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no evidence that your speculation is true, then yes, it's
innocent infringement.
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really weird ideas about copyright.
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On May 5, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote:
Russ Nelson schrieb:
Any reason not to go through Wikipedia and import everything with a
coordinate as a POI, with a url=http://wikipedia.org/NAME link, and
name=NAME where NAME is the name of the Wikipedia entry?
* There is already a free
isn't talking.
No, I didn't think anybody was insane enough to worry about
copyright. There are FAR more important issues in doing an import
from Wikipedia.
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On May 5, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Russ Nelson wrote:
Fine enough, and who sweated hardest to click in a particular point
on a Google Map? Google? Or the Wikipedia editor[...]?
Sweat-of-the-brow doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that A did
some work,
but B did
to be an armchair lawyer rather than exercize their brain.
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on projections is home, but it's quite
possible that your chosen projection cannot properly represent the
poles.
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yes but, what's in it for you?
Has anyone else been asked similar questions, and what was your
response?
Or Who pays for your gas? etc. Yes, have been asked it. The
answer: it's fun!
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synchronized using a clapper. The timing is
constant; it's just a question of having the audio and video synched.
Well, same thing for a GPX file and a video file. Match the number of
seconds into the video against the number of seconds into the GPX
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and serial. Has a compass. Was $100 when I bought it; dunno what it
goes for now.
I recommend them all, but audio mapping with the Columbus is the most
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that unless there's a groundswell of opinion against it, I'm
not going to worry.
Because, I mean, there *is* another solution to the problem of
unreviewed tiger data: Review it!
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On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com
wrote:
Okay, it's pretty clear that most people don't want this change
implemented.
but it's still the right thing to do.
Yes and no. Further to Apo's point
likely that the change was made to
fix a problem. It's possible that there are still remaining problems,
but ANYTHING in OSM can have errors.
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On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:01 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
the tiger data is terrible wrong in some places.
And how do you know this?
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country, an entire
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
what is the benefit in doing this?
There is no other method for somebody to say I looked at this and
everything about it is correct.
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comments, and consider null to be equally meaningless, then (again, I
speculate) JOSM is getting more meaningful comments.
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in the US which are correct, but how would anybody
know unless they've been reviewed? And without showing people that
the roads haven't been reviewed yet, it's hard to find the unreviewed
ones.
So if you find this obnoxious, blame me, not the JOSM devs. All my
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that couldn't be rescheduled for
later). But hopefully in case I've forgotten anything I'll still have
read-only access.
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On Apr 17, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote:
Russ Nelson schrieb:
Maplint seems to greatly dislike addr:interpolation and
addr:housenumber. Someone did every block in Hoboken, NJ and it
looks
simply AWFUL with maplint turned on. Every addressing node and way
gets marked
On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Or is there some conversion tool that can be used to upload data
edited during the outage?
If there isn't, there will be.
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. The only serious lack of fun is
that we won't get to see our work rendered until after I get it
uploaded some time on Monday.
The details:
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technically correct.
Not that numbering individual houses is wrong, either.
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On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Marcus Wolschon wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:28:16AM -0400, Russ Nelson wrote:
Thus, for many roads near me, interpolation is not only usable, it's
technically correct.
Only if every
print.
Okay, I'm gonna send this one last reminder off and then enter all the
data I gathered in my explorations of Baltimore this afternoon!
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to the
name of the tags. In some cases, there remains evidence of the
historical use, e.g. what was a schoolhouse is now a home.
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print.
Okay, I'm gonna send this one last reminder off and then enter all the
data I gathered in my explorations of Baltimore this afternoon!
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On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:42 PM, NL wrote:
Is it unsafe to park a bike/car there?
We should mark areas of high bicycle theft, but we'd need a map to
display it.
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pedestrians enter at the risk of their lives? I
know of no such.
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however,seen many
organizations under GSoC'09 making use of APIs from Google/Yahoo! ..
Just wondering..
Why wouldn't you be able to use documented APIs?
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Three mapping parties this weekend:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Boston
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Las_Vegas
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Concord_Mapping_Party_Mar2009
(that's Concord, California)
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On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Nick Black wrote:
* Early bird discount rates for SOTM09 end on 26th March - get your
tickets soon!
The email from dhansen just said that it ends on March 29th.
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not related, or
the *location* is not worth including in OSM.
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cooperate with us by not allowing any dangling links.
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or else link to our own wiki --
which would redirect to Wikipedia if no such article exists.
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On Mar 16, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Gervase Markham wrote:
On 16/03/09 00:26, Russ Nelson wrote:
1) Because ODbL 1.0 is better than C-By-SA
Taking ODbL 0.9 instead of 1.0, I think that's at least debatable,
Of course. I'm saying that when we adopt ODbL when it's published,
we'll do so because
a combination
of pastureland and forestland, then YOU SHOULD EDIT the parcel so it's
split up into pastureland and forestland.
Oh, my god, I can't believe that I just said that you should edit the
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this URL to their
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Can you see how this doesn't really work when there are twenty or
thirty editors, and twenty or thirty external data sources?
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On Mar 16, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote:
Russ Nelson wrote:
As far as I can see, there is no reputation mechanism whereby
experienced editors stand out from the noob editors, and the
latter are reluctant to change the former's edits. And by
definition if I don't know about
here, not by good
programming practise. Ideology is for ideots.
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running around with GPS
receivers not move his accurately-surveyed lines.
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and whether some body wants to add it. Yes,
there could be stuff in OSM which is marked edit=fuck-no-you-moron.
Could they edit it? Yes. Should they? Only if they want to make
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time to update it. And I'll report back here on the nature of those
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On Mar 16, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote:
Russ Nelson wrote:
Sorry, Ted, but you're being driven by ideology here, not by
good programming practise. Ideology is for ideots.
Really? So can we copy coordinates from Google Maps now?
Okay, taking you somewhat more seriously now
On Mar 14, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Peter Miller wrote:
the viral nature of these licenses
I don't want a virus, but I like the reciprocal nature of these
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On Mar 15, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Simon Ward wrote:
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 08:26:14PM -0400, Russ Nelson wrote:
On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Gervase Markham wrote:
why are we bothering with switching OSM to 1.0 at all?
Why not just wait for the 1.1 fixed version?
1) Because ODbL 1.0 is better
that data, nor the edits made to it, are going
to be exiled from the database into this proposed bulk import data
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ALREADY have to deal with it with the
TIGER import. Neither that data, nor the edits made to it, are going
to be exiled from the database into this proposed bulk import data
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On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Cartinus wrote:
On Sunday 15 March 2009 17:42:26 Russ Nelson wrote:
Every editor should show this data to a
user when they go to edit. Otherwise, if there are things that are
available to a map renderer but not to an editor, how will the editor
know
.
I'd suggest something like source=
I'd suggest instead that all bulk imports should each have their own
userid.
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switching.
OSMF will try to communicate the purpose of the license change better
with emphasis on the ShareAlike issue. They will try to address the
German, Italian, etc communities better.
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case you're distributing the database ... just in a different
format. Remember: judges aren't stupid (mostly). They really don't
like it when you try to fool them by subterfuges like using a produced
work to create a copy of the database.
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the import under a special-purpose
userid, so we can withdraw the import if necessary.
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of edits people make.
Too much speculation on what might happen Data! Must ...
Have ... Data!
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lines
through the woods with a GPS receiver.
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in your area, y'know.
On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Daniel A Carleton wrote:
Is there an easy way to determine the activity level of users in my
area? I live in Seattle, WA USA. Seems like most of you folks are in
Europe.
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On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:22 PM, Daniel A Carleton wrote:
f e.g. one-way street attribution that isn't
present in the Tiger data.
That can be fixed in a single day: drive down every road with a GPS
receiver, and take a waypoint in the middle of the block of every one-
way road.
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Date: March 9, 2009 2:06:13 PM EDT
To: Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com
Cc: Kurt Swartz kcswa...@gw.dec.state.ny.us, Larry Alber
lal...@gw.dec.state.ny.us
Subject: Re: DEC Lands
Russ,
There is no creativity in mapping or displaying of Public
owned land. This isn't art, it's
of their
metadata), adding an immutable=yes tag, with the intent of tracking
their dataset, and deleting --outright-- any changes made by OSM
editors.
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From: Robert Morrell ramor...@gw.dec.state.ny.us
Date: March 9, 2009 2:06:13 PM EDT
To: Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com
Cc: Kurt
. There are arguably many
things currently in OSM which should not be edited. For example,
political boundaries at every level.
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™.
NYS DEC regularly publishes updated shapefiles. *I* would be the
person keeping it up to date.
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OSM because we can change OSM??
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to evaluate the quality of edits?
How do we know if a particular edit improves or degrades the accuracy
of the map?
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