Re: [OSM-talk] Inquiry about Egnos / Indoor mapping

2010-02-20 Thread SteveC
On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I received the following inquiry from Thomas Hallauer of TheWhereBusiness: - Is Egnos being used by the community? it's live, it's free but I am trying to find out how available it is (and if it helps)? yes and yes and yes

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-20 Thread SteveC
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have, I am extremely sceptical about using it for openstreetmap.org. Join

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-20 Thread SteveC
On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-) So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating openstreetbugs? But can their system tie notes to map locations? Well I'll go further. openstreetbugs

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

2010-02-15 Thread SteveC
Guys all the SOTM votes are run by independent parties with additional independent verification, you doing any of that here? It's a bias for one of the people on the ballot sheet to be emailing asking for the your 5 votes. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

2010-02-15 Thread SteveC
On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 2/15/10 3:45 PM, SteveC wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 2/15/10 3:27 PM, SteveC wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Richard Welty wrote: keep in mind that this is for a 6 month term

Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot

2010-02-15 Thread SteveC
Good point - I should have caught this in the '[Talk-us] Feburary 4th Minutes and Election Update' email. Too many fricking emails. I'm cool that kate is also overseeing Good luck all! On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Steve, Thanks for the interest in the US Local

[OSM-talk] Conference in Budapest later this month

2010-02-13 Thread SteveC
Anyone in or near Budapest please give Gabor a shout to speak at a conf about OSM... Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[Talk-us] SCALE OpenStreetMap booth in LA next weekend

2010-02-12 Thread SteveC
Hi Want to help promote OSM and happen to live in or be in LA? We have a booth at SCALE http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ Weekend 20/21 Feb. For helping, you get a warm fizzy feeling and entry to the conference and tshirts and stuff. Ping me if you can help out. Yours c.

Re: [Talk-us] Incorrect Summit Elevations - Colorado

2010-02-10 Thread SteveC
On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: It appears that there is a systematic error in the summit elevations in OSM, at least in Colorado. Well I was given a map, a guide book and a diary for xmas all for climbing every 14er, so... I can go fix those :-) Talking about CO it's this

[Talk-us] hyrdography imports

2010-02-10 Thread SteveC
any way the importer can a) go back and fix all the millions of duplicated nodes b) not do it in future? :-) Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] hyrdography imports

2010-02-10 Thread SteveC
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Mike N. wrote: any way the importer can a) go back and fix all the millions of duplicated nodes b) not do it in future? I'm working on both points - a) Happens in several cases: 1. At the joining of streams to waterbodies. The duplicate happens

[Talk-us] NHD accuracy on ski slopes (Winter Park, CO)

2010-02-10 Thread SteveC
How accurate is NHD data? I have a lot of streams going approximately down ski runs in CO here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.8671lon=-105.7518zoom=14 (yes the ski runs need mapping too) There's no streams for many of those there in winter. I'm pretty sure summer is the same

[OSM-talk] Project of the week

2010-02-09 Thread SteveC
Hi Thought I'd try to put this together: -- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week Every week, OSMers everywhere are invited to help in this weeks project. This is inspired by the huge amount of effort that went in to mapping Haiti by people all over the world. -- So please

Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the week

2010-02-09 Thread SteveC
- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens SteveC Verzonden: dinsdag 9 februari 2010 19:42 Aan: Talk Openstreetmap Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Project of the week Hi Thought I'd try to put this together: -- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the week

2010-02-09 Thread SteveC
On Feb 9, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Dave F. wrote: SteveC wrote: Hi Thought I'd try to put this together: -- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week Every week, OSMers everywhere are invited to help in this weeks project. This is inspired by the huge amount of effort

[Talk-GB] BBC Lincolnshire live interview this evening

2010-02-08 Thread SteveC
6:30pm or so, you can listen over the interwebs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/lincolnshire/programmes/schedules Anything local I should try and mention? Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-07 Thread SteveC
On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:24 AM, Dave F. wrote: I realize most people have fallen asleep on this thread, but did anyone get a detailed report on why OSM was rejected? It's like Encyclopedia Britannica looking to move to Wikipedia in 2004 or something, printing out a lot of books and getting

Re: [OSM-talk] Playing tagging democracy: standard building process and tag unifying towards it

2010-02-07 Thread SteveC
On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Dave F. wrote: This won't happen if none of the map creators are taking the data because they think it's crap. Saying 'none' is exceptional hyperbole. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-us] openstreetmap.us

2010-01-24 Thread SteveC
Hi I own openstreetmap.us There are other community sites like openstreetmap.nl and openstreetmap.de If anyone wants to set up something similar, just tell me the IP address of your box and I will point the domain at it. Yours c. Steve ___

Re: [Talk-GB] OS DG Vanessa Lawrence on the Future of mapping

2010-01-23 Thread SteveC
nice, can anyone do it? On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Nick Austin wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Robert Scott wrote: Perhaps it would be good to downplay Haiti, as it could give her a handle to say 'Of course projects

Re: [Talk-GB] OS DG Vanessa Lawrence on the Future of mapping

2010-01-20 Thread SteveC
I think we should organise an OSM crowd to go. Who's up for it? On Jan 20, 2010, at 2:53 AM, Steve Chilton wrote: UK GEOforum is pleased to announce its forthcoming UKGEOforum 2010 Lecture featuring guest speaker Vanessa Lawrence, Director General and Chief Executive, Ordnance Survey

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
Richard your views on the rasters seem a little bizarre, harking back to a golden era where cartography was respected by the good folk of the land and had pride of place... etc. Basically you're shamelessly protecting your own pretty small industry from competition with a lot of waffle about

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Though custom cartography is the right answer for many applications, it will find it difficult to compete with the free, universally-recognised cartography of the OS. Are

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 14, 2010, at 11:40 AM, David Earl wrote: On 14/01/2010 18:27, Dave F. wrote: Andy, The taxpayers have already paid for it, many times over. I resent having to pay £7.50 for a map I've already financed to construct. As I've paid for it, I think it should be given to me free of charge.

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: SteveC wrote: Basically you're shamelessly protecting your own pretty small industry What, magazine publishing? :p No, carto Looking forward to your, and others', response to DCLG. Yeah, it's very cool you've put it together and I

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I think you have the wrong vision that you'll be competing with free maps, just the same as the big guys are terrified of competing with a free OSM. The value just moves

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Richard's a socialist so I can see him arguing for weird government monopolies on making pinball machines for one-legged immigrants living in wales or whatever, but what

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andy Allan wrote: This isn't me saying that I disapprove of a commercial company giving away a whole load of raster maps for free, I'm saying I don't think the government should be funding it. Okay so you feel rasters are a special case, different to vectors.

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Tom Chance wrote: Wading in (though for the purposes of a putative OSMF response, we can just leave this whole argument to one side and focus on the data)... 2010/1/18 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com I didn't say I wanted a monopoly. I'd rather either a)

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-18 Thread SteveC
On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jan 18, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andy Allan wrote: This isn't me saying that I disapprove of a commercial company giving away a whole load of raster maps for free, I'm saying I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [odc-discuss] Draft of an Open Data Commons Attribution License

2010-01-12 Thread SteveC
Rufus Awesome this is happening, but the name is wrong. We don't need a OKFNODCAL, and even the ODbL can be shortened, we need something that they all share and then we also need a NC version. I suggest it's just something like OD for OpenDatabase in place of CC, so that you get OD-BY-SA as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [odc-discuss] Draft of an Open Data Commons Attribution License

2010-01-12 Thread SteveC
On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: then we also need a NC version. NC licenses are not compatible with OKFN's own definition of Open Knowledge, Paragraph 8: (quote) 8. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [odc-discuss] Draft of an Open Data Commons Attribution License

2010-01-12 Thread SteveC
You're right we should just give up. Yours c. Steve On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:53 AM, jonathon wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 13:35, SteveC wrote: we also need a NC version. Need? Problem # 1: Define Non-Commercial Usage. Problem # 2: Define Commercial Usage. Problem # 3: What

Re: [Talk-us] US OMSF proposal mission statement v2

2009-12-18 Thread SteveC
One of the things we did in the beginning of OSMF is say, roughly, what the budget would be spent on. Therefore, if you prioritized the list of goals and assigned rough budget %'s to them you avoid a lot of problems over what to focus time, money and effort on 1, 2 or 5 years down the line.

[Talk-de] FUD

2009-12-12 Thread SteveC
are employed by CloudeMade. Furthermore, the [OSMF] chairman is the boss of that commercial enterprise. Personally, i find that the worst possible combination. bye André http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-December/059909.html I simply have a problem with SteveC being on the board

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree that CC0 would probably be the best licence. If OSM won't go and really try to sue people, why protect the data? And why protect the data at all?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: I don't know about that legal stuff in detail, but I agree that CC0 would probably be the best licence. If OSM won't go

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: doesn't apply to Geodata. Because...? Factual data. What you are attempting to enforce is the viral effect, which directly is what you also try to overcome... So I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:43 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: I don't know

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:54 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: doesn't apply to Geodata. Because...? Factual

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: So I can't license data because it's factual? You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license for what you couldn't /copyright/ in the first place

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Anthony wrote: There's no reason to license data if it's factual. You're jumping from your pseudo-legal argument to your moral argument. It would

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: SteveC schreef: So I can't license data because it's factual? You cannot /copyright/ the data because it is factual. A license for what you couldn't /copyright

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I want it to be SA. Morally, I want my data to be SA. CC-BY-SA, to be specific. Well that doesn't work

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I want it to be SA. The legal points you make are just supporting cases that you're cherry picking to help you. I don't *morally* want PD, I *morally* want

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: You asked why it doesn't work, and there is a wealth of information on the list and the wiki... There are a lot of claims on the list and the wiki that CC-BY-SA doesn't work

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Trevor, let me guess that you feel people with actual law degrees like the two that helped the LWG are wrong and you are right based on your 6th sense? Who's Trevor? My pet troll

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:57 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Trevor, let me guess that you feel people with actual law degrees like the two that helped the LWG are wrong and you

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Liz wrote: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, SteveC wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The point is that *morally* you want the data to be PD and *morally* I want it to be SA. Morally, I want

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote: I never said someone with a law degree would never make such a statement. I said they are no more qualified to make such a statement than anyone else. So let me get this straight, lawyers are not more qualified to make legal arguments than anyone

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Liz wrote: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, SteveC wrote: Well that doesn't work, Why doesn't it work? See legal-talk ad nauseum. I've read the whole lot, over an 18 month period of time, and there is no proof that CC-by-SA doesn't work I've not seen anything proving

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: It is however quite stupid to think that only 265 people care enough about their data to be worth a vote The vote isn't

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone? Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't protect the data, you don't have

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: You're really advocating switching license without

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone? Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't protect the data, you don't have to ask

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: SteveC schreef: You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone? Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't protect the data, you don't have to ask anyone to do so? to do what, relicense

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, you can call him a troll, but I agree I so far haven't heard sound arguments why CC-BY-SA doesn't work and what work actually means. Doesn't work for Cloudmade? I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-08 Thread SteveC
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: Why don't you do it then, try and fork to CC0 or PD with planet.osm ? Because I'm not convinced that CC-BY-SA won't hold ;) So if IP lawyers cannot convince you, who

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Lambertus schreef: I'm just curious... why? You misunderstand: Google would get my data for free and keep it closed. You'd only be able to use it the way Google intends it to be used:

Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetMap iPhone Editor - Mapzen POI Collector

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Nick, Oleg, thank you for answering. I'm quite surprised that you are working directly from the API. Nick writes: The server is actually quite responsive for POIs - maybe its because node queries are faster than way queries and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 6, 2009, at 1:48 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, you may think Creative Commons is stupid, but I hope others will give them a chance and listen to what they have to say. I think they will, considering that Creative

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 6, 2009, at 2:03 AM, 80n wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Matt Amos schreef: we're talking about moving to another license with very similar requirements, but a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Michael Barabanov wrote: I wonder how easy it is in fact to usefully take the OSM data without giving things back, even with the current license. Seems to me, not so easy. OSM data is not perfect. To create a value-add, a commercial entity would have to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 8:25 PM, 80n wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: Remember: Steve is the head of the OSMF, so this is the OSMF Chairman's position about other peoples opinions when they don't share his

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: You cannot see the process how Cloudmade, Geofabrik and others process their data. Well the huge difference is that OSM is under a reciprocal license, What

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: I have no idea what that means. I had no idea about reciprocal license either. Ask Google. It might have something to do with the fact that they want to own all

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: I think that developing their own tools, infrastructure, branding, product management... for MapMaker might give away what they think about that. I think you

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Ed Avis wrote: SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: With a gun at their head: Refuse: After the migration (currently 26th February 2010), your contributions will not be included in ODbL licensed downloads and you will not be able to continue contributing

[Talk-us] Fwd: [Geowanking] RT @ardevcamp: #AR #Layar fans/enthusiasts join us Friday 7pm at the Epicenter Cafe www.epicentercafe.com 4 a pre #ARDevCamp

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
Will be of interest to those in the bay area... Begin forwarded message: From: Anselm Hook ans...@gmail.com Date: December 3, 2009 4:38:12 PM MST To: ardevc...@googlegroups.com, geowank...@geowanking.org Subject: [Geowanking] RT @ardevcamp: #AR #Layar fans/enthusiasts join us Friday 7pm

Re: [Talk-us] NHD Data in CO

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
Yeah if you could that would be super level 5 awesome. Yours c. Steve On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Are the NHD import people on this list? Yes. I am one of them, but it appears that we're distributing

Re: [Talk-us] NHD Data in CO

2009-12-07 Thread SteveC
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Ian Dees wrote: Are we talking about all of Colorado or just a certain high-priority section? I think around the populous would be good, that basically comes down to Boulder/Denver/Colo. Springs. AFAIK. But the whole state also awesome. Yours c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: Remember: Steve is the head of the OSMF, so this is the OSMF Chairman's position about other peoples opinions when they don't share his own opinion. I'm not allowed to have opinions? Is this the organization you want to hand over the license of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Liz wrote: SteveC marked the NO page as in dispute. No, he didn't mark the YES page as in dispute. If there was no dispute there would be no need for a vote. I answered this on osmf-talk, why're you bringing it up over here? There was a dispute, I marked

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, SteveC wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Liz wrote: SteveC marked the NO page as in dispute. No, he didn't mark the YES page as in dispute. If there was no dispute there would be no need for a vote. I answered

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 18:17, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: SteveC schrieb: On Dec 5, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: With a gun at their head: Refuse: After the migration (currently 26th February 2010), your contributions will not be included in ODbL licensed

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 17:17, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, you wrote: Don't you mean rather than admit I was wrong or talk about it where I brought it up, much better to try and stir the pot on another list? i have not made personal comments about any one i

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
Yours c. Steve On Dec 5, 2009, at 18:43, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/6 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Are you also living on planet Frederik? Out of all the crazy claims this has to be the most crazy. Where have you been the past year of consultations? How

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
Yours c. Steve On Dec 5, 2009, at 18:55, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: SteveC schrieb: On Dec 5, 2009, at 18:17, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: SteveC schrieb: On Dec 5, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: With a gun at their head: Refuse: After

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 19:40, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/6 SteveC st...@asklater.com: By letting them know FUD and BS will be shot down. And you are coming off just as unrational as you are claiming they are being and not helping fence sitters one bit. Read

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: SteveC st...@asklater.com Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:35:13 To: Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com Cc: talk@openstreetmap.orgtalk@openstreetmap.org; Tom Hughest...@compton.nu Subject: Re

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
Yours c. Steve On Dec 5, 2009, at 20:25, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote: Remember: Steve is the head of the OSMF, so this is the OSMF Chairman's position about other peoples

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 20:51, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Steve, SteveC wrote: How is insulting people going to help things? By letting them know FUD and BS will be shot down. I understand that most statements you are responding to seem stupid, unnecessary or inappropriate

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you, LWG

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 21:03, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Richard Weait schrieb: I think the LWG has done a good job on a difficult task. A task that we, as a community, asked them to do for us because we couldn't implement a license change as a group of 20,000 (at the time)

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 21:15, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: SteveC schrieb: On Dec 5, 2009, at 19:40, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/6 SteveC st...@asklater.com: By letting them know FUD and BS will be shot down. And you are coming off just

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
Of course they said that, they only support PD-like licenses *as a policy*. It's pretty stupid but that's their policy. It's like the RIAA have a closed policy and the consensus is viral in OSM. Yours c. Steve On Dec 5, 2009, at 21:36, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 21:52, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SteveC schreef: Of course they said that, they only support PD-like licenses *as a policy*. What a non-sense, every academic works with attribution of past work. Including

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
On Dec 5, 2009, at 21:53, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:42 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Of course they said that, they only support PD-like licenses *as a policy*. PD-like licenses? You mean for databases of facts? Or am I misinterpreting PD-like

Re: [Talk-us] HI: Hawaii GIS Data

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
Shaun it's simply not that clear cut, there are plenty of people in the US who would never have gotten involved without TIGER. I met one yesterday and it was the first thing he said. On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote: Why oh why oh why do some people insist on wasting time

[Talk-us] NHD Data in CO

2009-12-05 Thread SteveC
I was asked yesterday if/when the NHD would be imported around CO. Anyone know? Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects

2009-12-04 Thread SteveC
my mistake On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Sarah Manley wrote: No just talk-us, not the actually lists were contacted. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:43 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I thought I mailed all the talk-us-* lists when I asked for input? On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Sarah Manley

Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects

2009-12-03 Thread SteveC
-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:18:57 -0800 From: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects To: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net Cc: Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com, talk-us@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: eb9f7ae1-b080-4092-86aa-a65229fdd

[Talk-us] SOTM US Call

2009-11-29 Thread SteveC
Resuming the weekly call, tomorrow after the US Chapter call: Monday Nov 30th 5:30PM PST/8:30PM EST (immediately after the US chapter call) +1 218-486-3891 x 224699644 Main topic is finalizing location and date. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us

[Talk-us] SOTM call today CANCELLED

2009-11-16 Thread SteveC
I'm unfortunately on a plane for the scheduled time. Will reschedule shortly. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[Talk-us] addressing format

2009-11-16 Thread SteveC
Thinking about this 'numbers on nodes' schema... let's say it's perfect and we all agree, then who's going to do the import work for it? It requires matching up past and present geometries to find the correct nodes to update, and, er, that's the hard bit of coding with the Karlsruhe schema

Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses

2009-11-16 Thread SteveC
any idea where...? maybe we could get some locals to investigate what they are? On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, it seems that the TIGER data have some interesting addresses like: Non integer address: 9-35 Non integer address: 9-01 Non integer address: K200 Non integer

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-15 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-15 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:49 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Hi, 2009/11/14 SteveC st...@asklater.com: In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up

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