Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 09/19/2012 10:55 PM, Richard Weait wrote: [1] Of course, I don't mean you personally, Jean-Marc. I have no idea of your OSM screen name, if you are a Cadastre importer or if you use an import account. I mean those who have been knowingly ignoring the import guidelines. I was not

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread Marc SIBERT
2012/9/19 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de On 19.09.2012 11:22, Christian Quest wrote: We're voting proposed tag scheme. ... or not. Frequently nowadays a new value or scheme is invented w/o voting. No statement by myself whether I think this is good process or not... So these

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 09/19/2012 04:24 PM, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: I've read the rather long thread Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance and I'd like to propose a change on the wiki page : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines I think that imports, or all automated edits, have multiple

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2012-09-20 Thread Hendrik Oesterlin
Hendrik Oesterlin wrote on 18/06/2011 at 16:27:27 +1100 subject [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities : Steve Coast wrote on 17/06/2011 at 08:09:37 +1100 subject [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities : I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to get input

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Pieren wrote: There definitely is not general agreement at this time that this passage should be changed. Could you please point out in archives (wiki or mailing list) where the separate account became generaly agreed ? Or you can simply tell me the communication channel and an approximate

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Frederik Ramm wrote: But besides the content aspect, there's also the technical or procedural aspect - things like where and how to document your import, or whether or not you need a separate import account, or whether it is acceptable to do large-scale imports with an account the name of which

[OSM-talk] OSM Data layers

2012-09-20 Thread Arun Ganesh
The import guideline thread spam got me thinking about how such an issue could be solved cleanly. I have forever had a problem with the OSM data being one big blob instead of using all that semantic information to group and organize the objects. There are a host of issues like importing datasets

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I've combined their responses and made them generic. I take my turn to combine your arguments: - Too hard to register with another email. I say use username+osmimp...@yourisp.com if they support it. Alternatively,

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Vincent de Chateau-Thierry
Hi, De : Michael Kugelmann On 19.09.2012 23:45, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry wrote: The only criteria for removing French Cadastre data will be the value of the source tag. That's a bad idea: if someone for what ever reason just decides to remove (or change) the source=cadastre tag of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
On jeudi 20 septembre 2012, Marc SIBERT wrote: The complete ignorance of any contact (threre have been two or three tries) was the reason for the (short term) block, not the disregard of the guidelines. In fact I *did* answer twice, in March September. I explain my point of view and the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Check the list of arguments presented here for the mandatory separate account: 1. it's easier to separate from normal contributions 2. it's more effecient for sourcing 3. it's easier to identify the source if we change the

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
I'd like to propose a change on the wiki page : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines I think that imports, or all automated edits, have multiple aspects. Up to that point, we fully agree. there's also the technical or procedural aspect (...) I don't think these should

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Pieren wrote: Check the list of arguments presented here for the mandatory separate account: Pieren - please stop banging on about this - we know that the current process is flawed but it WAS put in place when problems arose in the Canadian imports, and it IS current practice. If one 'local

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: there's also the technical or procedural aspect (...) I don't think these should be decided locally. And that's where we disagree. Your are not accepting any distinction about all different cases in your statement, and it seams you are implicitly denying the ability

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: We can get back to the topic of governance and discussion about those laws and who decide them, and how. Or just get back to fixing the process in the first place? SO we have less chance of misinterpreting the 'guidelines'? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
The 'mechanisms' that we use MUST be managed centrally, What are you talking about ? What mechanisms are you refering to ? and it is this mechanism that is currently BROKEN when handling imported data? Are you talking about the mechanism that the dwg is blocking users not using a

[OSM-talk] diversity amongst DWG members

2012-09-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, Following the discussion on the infamous french Cadastre 'imports', I've tried to find the country of living of the DWG members (according to http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group): Matt Amos (OSMF Board) ; Matt ; UK Tom Hughes ; TomH ; UK Paul Norman ; pnorman ; near

Re: [OSM-talk] diversity amongst DWG members

2012-09-20 Thread Grant Slater
On 20 September 2012 12:46, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Grant Slater ; ? ; UK I am South African, but currently living in the UK. I speak English and Afrikaans. http://osm.org/user/Firefishy / Grant ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] diversity amongst DWG members

2012-09-20 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
According to the Plan 2012 PDF they intend to look for new members... Personally I think they're doing a great job and I would not want to take their place. Greets, Floris On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.netwrote: Hi, Following the discussion on the

Re: [OSM-talk] diversity amongst DWG members

2012-09-20 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 20/09/2012 12:46, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: It would certainly be helpful if more local communities would have one of their members amongst the DWG members. It certainly would -- those local communities who feel they need better representation should decide amongst themselves who they want to

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2012-09-20 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
Would be nice if they would fix the aereal images in the capital area in Iceland on the border of Reykjavík and Kópavogur. There are some major residential areas which can't be adjusted according to imagery due to that. I'm sure they actually have the images but haven't chosen which ones to apply

[OSM-talk] If you're on Twitter

2012-09-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
...you might like to retweet this: http://twitter.com/openstreetmap/status/248759285801185281 :) cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 20/09/2012 13:18, Lester Caine wrote: Go on wiping and reloading every time the source data is updated and manually merging everything. Sounds ugly doesn't it ? Because it is. Wouldn't it be much better if each building from the cadastre had a UUID that could be traced so that differential

Re: [OSM-talk] diversity amongst DWG members

2012-09-20 Thread Tom Hughes
On 20/09/12 12:46, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Following the discussion on the infamous french Cadastre 'imports', I've tried to find the country of living of the DWG members (according to http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group): Matt Amos (OSMF Board) ; Matt ; UK Tom Hughes ;

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:32 AM Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data Hi there, I have a question about imports and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 20/09/2012 13:18, Lester Caine wrote: Go on wiping and reloading every time the source data is updated and manually merging everything. Sounds ugly doesn't it ? Because it is. Wouldn't it be much better if each building from the cadastre had a UUID that could be

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: The 'mechanisms' that we use MUST be managed centrally, What are you talking about ? What mechanisms are you refering to ? Simply the methods by which data is added to the database. And all I am trying to understand now is why if we HAVE digital data to work with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Should the licence change to something other than CC-BY-SA 2.0 or ODbL 1.0, OSMF have guaranteed that they will identify and remove any data incompatible with that licence. Incidentally, I believe that the burden OSMF

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Vincent de Chateau-Thierry
De : Lester Caine So would it not be better to provide it as an raster overlay instead? And trace from that. But I was assuming that this was vector data? French cadastre is vector data in about 70-80% of the 36.000 municipalities. The rest is made of old paper maps turned into

Re: [OSM-talk] If you're on Twitter

2012-09-20 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Which one has both public transport routing and a Streetview alternative? This might just confuse your 'typical' iPhone user. Greets, Floris On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: ...you might like to retweet this:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Pierre Béland
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Check the list of arguments presented here for the mandatory separate account: 1. it's easier to separate from normal contributions 2. it's more effecient for sourcing 3. it's easier to identify the source if we change the

Re: [OSM-talk] diversity amongst DWG members

2012-09-20 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Hi, Following the discussion on the infamous french Cadastre 'imports', I've tried to find the country of living of the DWG members You might also have a look at other working groups and opportunities to volunteer

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Pierre Béland
De : 2012-09-20 Lester Caine lester at lsces.co.uk Pieren - please stop banging on about this - we know that the current process is flawed but it WAS put in place when problems arose in the Canadian imports, and it IS current practice. If one 'local group' is treated as a 'special case' then

[OSM-talk] Knight awards $575k to improve OpenStreetMap infrastructure

2012-09-20 Thread Alex Barth
Hello everyone - I'm excited to announce that the Knight Foundation has awarded a grant of $575,000 to Development Seed and MapBox to improve OpenStreetMap infrastructure. Myself and my colleages from the Development Seed and MapBox team are looking forward to closely work with other

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Vincent de Chateau-Thierry wrote: For the vector data, it is also available as raw .osm files, split into thematic layers : mainly administrative boundaries and buildings. Sure it can be processed. Change detection for buildings is a topic discussed on talk-fr but there is no real tool

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread Christian Rogel
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 13:22, Lester Caine a écrit : sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: We can get back to the topic of governance and discussion about those laws and who decide them, and how. Or just get back to fixing the process in the first place? SO we have less chance of misinterpreting the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Pierre Béland wrote: Check the list of arguments presented here for the mandatory separate account: 1. it's easier to separate from normal contributions 2. it's more effecient for sourcing 3. it's easier to identify the source if we change the license. We faced that issue in the past for ODbl

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Pierre Béland
2012-09-20 Lester Caine lester at lsces.co.uk Comment fields are not documented as well as they should be and the 'problem' that instigated this thread is to my view of what's on line a very good example of why there WAS a problem. Correctly flagging information is essential and we do

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Béland Pierre wrote: 2012-09-20 Lester Caine lester at lsces.co.uk Comment fields are not documented as well as they should be and the 'problem' that instigated this thread is to my view of what's on line a very good example of why there WAS a problem. Correctly flagging information is

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread Simon Poole
I believe there is some misunderstanding of the relationship between OSM and OSMF. Am 20.09.2012 16:36, schrieb Christian Rogel: Le 20 sept. 2012 à 13:22, Lester Caine a écrit : sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: We can get back to the topic of governance and discussion about those laws and who

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Pierre Béland
2012-09-20 Lester Caine wrote Alright insisting on a 'new account' may be wrong, but identifying the 'import source' somewhere is not unreasonable? We do have the problem of the 'language' used to inform other users and some English translations on some of the    cadastre import stuff would

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread Lester Caine
Simon Poole wrote: Yes, the development in the area of Open Data poses a serious challenge to OSM. I suspect that the attitude of large parts of the community is that OGD is a good thing, however I'm also fairly sure that there is no community consensus that OSM should aspire to import

[OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-20 Thread pavithran
The new map replacement from apple in its IOS has drawn a lot of criticism . quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/20/apple-maps-ios6-station-towe Within minutes of the launch of the iOS6 operating system, which comes preloaded with Apple Maps, users were reporting that

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines OSMF/DWG governance

2012-09-20 Thread Christian Rogel
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 18:59, Simon Poole a écrit : . While a more top down organisation of OSM a la Wikipedia or other organisations is imaginable, there has never been a community consensus that such a step would be desirable (if anything it is exactly the opposite). So while the OSMF

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 20.09.2012 12:29, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: And that's where we disagree. Your are not accepting any distinction about all different cases in your statement, and it seams you are implicitly denying the ability of the local community to decide wisely. What I wanted to say is: If the

Re: [OSM-talk] diversity amongst DWG members

2012-09-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 20.09.2012 13:46, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Are there plans to increase diversity amongst members of the DWG? We've long been looking for native speakers of a couple of Eastern European languages (Russian, Ukrainian) because an above-average number of disputes arise in that area and it

Re: [OSM-talk] [possibly OT] Apples IOS 6 Maps and the response

2012-09-20 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:39 PM, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote: The new map replacement from apple in its IOS has drawn a lot of criticism . quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/sep/20/apple-maps-ios6-station-towe Within minutes of the launch of the iOS6 operating

Re: [Talk-it] Amenity=animal_shelter e chiavi con valori multipli

2012-09-20 Thread Federico Cozzi
2012/9/20 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it: “animal_shelter:dog:adoption=yes” + “animal_shelter:dog:boarding=yes” + “animal_shelter:cat:adoption=yes” + “animal_shelter:cat:boarding=yes + “animal_shelter:rabbit:adoption=yes” + “animal_shelter:rabbit:boarding=yes OPPURE

[Talk-it] Script per segnalazione edit al proprio lavoro

2012-09-20 Thread Francesco Pelullo
Marcello, Grazie per avermi invitato al tuo hangout. Sono favorevole alla tua proposta, lo ritengo uno strumento utilissimo (se non indispensabile). Metto in cc la lista perchè immagino interesserà tutti. Non escludo che, tra la miriade di servizi offerti agli osmers, ce ne sia già qualcuno che

[Talk-it] C'è qualcuno di Forlì?

2012-09-20 Thread Davide Meloni
per esaminare quest'area... http://www.mantellini.it/2012/09/20/mapperfavore/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] C'è qualcuno di Forlì?

2012-09-20 Thread Gianmario Mengozzi
Cesena... :). ma sono a disposizione Gianmario Mengozzi sent by GNexus Il giorno 20/set/2012 14:28, Davide Meloni emmed...@yahoo.it ha scritto: per esaminare quest'area... http://www.mantellini.it/2012/**09/20/mapperfavore/http://www.mantellini.it/2012/09/20/mapperfavore/

[Talk-it] creare mappe osmand memoria

2012-09-20 Thread beppebo...@libero.it
provando a creare delle mappe per osmand ho trovato i seguenti problemi fino a 300mg tutto ok e relativamente un tempo decente di creazione sopra i 500Mb di mappa rallentamenti, problemi di errori di memoria, log file in estensione di 10 gb o più e dalle 25 alle 30 ora per una mappa e non

[Talk-it] Aiuto su sviluppo per una tesi

2012-09-20 Thread sabas88
Ciao, controllo il forum dai feed ed ho iniziato ad aiutare questa ragazza che sta facendo una tesi e vorrebbe utilizzare OSM per sviluppare una app per disabili. Le ho dato qualche link a wiki e ho proposto Osmand, ma le mie conoscenze si fermano qui in questo ambito.. :-) Le ho chiesto due righe

Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto su sviluppo per una tesi

2012-09-20 Thread Volker Schmidt
Suppongo che sia a conoscenza di wheelmap.org. Volker 2012/9/20 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com Ciao, controllo il forum dai feed ed ho iniziato ad aiutare questa ragazza che sta facendo una tesi e vorrebbe utilizzare OSM per sviluppare una app per disabili. Le ho dato qualche link a wiki e ho

Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto su sviluppo per una tesi

2012-09-20 Thread sabas88
Il giorno 20 settembre 2012 16:34, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto: Suppongo che sia a conoscenza di wheelmap.org. Si, le ho linkato wheelmap e la pagina sull'accessibilità e OSM for the blind... Volker ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto su sviluppo per una tesi

2012-09-20 Thread lorella lamberti
Si,sono a conoscenza di wheelmap.org ma lì c'è solo la segnalazione della barriera Il 20 settembre 2012 16:35, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il giorno 20 settembre 2012 16:34, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto: Suppongo che sia a conoscenza di wheelmap.org. Si, le

Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto su sviluppo per una tesi

2012-09-20 Thread Alessandro Fanna
Buon punto di partenza è http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accessibility Poi consiglio di vedere http://blog.wheelmap.org/en/contact-details/ che mi pare abbiano anche fatto anche un'app android specifica per caricare i dati su OSM. Gliele giro sul suo account. Alessandro Il giorno 20

Re: [Talk-it] C'è qualcuno di Forlì?

2012-09-20 Thread sabas88
2012/9/20 Davide Meloni emmed...@yahoo.it per esaminare quest'area... http://www.mantellini.it/2012/**09/20/mapperfavore/http://www.mantellini.it/2012/09/20/mapperfavore/ Ma comunque fa un confronto Gmaps/Applemaps, OSM non c'entra per fortuna :)

[Talk-it] Script per segnalazione edit al proprio lavoro

2012-09-20 Thread billi...@libero.it
all'attenzione della OSMF. Saluti /niubii/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk- it/attachments/20120920/705fcf7f/attachment.html ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk

[Talk-at] 6. OSM Stammtisch Wr. Neustadt

2012-09-20 Thread Soldier Boy
ACHTUNG Aufgrund von Ausfall 2er Leute die heute kommen wollten, werden wir den Stammtisch auf einen anderen Tag verschieben. Ein Doodle-Link wird folgen um den nächsten besten Termin zu finden. Sorry für die kurzfristige Absage! LG Thomas ___ Talk-at

[Talk-at] OSM 3D in osm2world - Graz wird gerendert

2012-09-20 Thread Lars Schimmer
Hallo! Die Macher von OSM2World rendern jetzt freundlicherweise Graz mit als 3D Map aus den Daten von OSM! Willkommen Österreich: http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=13lat=47.02696lon=15.44598layers=B00TTFF MfG, Lars Schimmer -- - TU

Re: [Talk-at] Wien Daten in OSM (was VIII. OGD Wien Plattform (Phase 7))

2012-09-20 Thread Alex Barth
Danke für die Antworten allerseits. Ich find's generell interessant dass es zur Zeit so viel Duplikation zwischen Geodaten-Management in Regierungen und in OSM gibt während auf Open Government Partnership und Open Data Konferenzen andaurend händeringend von crowd sourcing gesprochen wird :D.

Re: [Talk-at] Turn-Restrictions bei Beschleunigungsspuren und Co.

2012-09-20 Thread Daniel Kraft
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/09/12 22:17, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: On 20.09.2012 10:37, Daniel Kraft wrote: Allerdings glaub ich mich zu erinnern, dass hier in einer anderen Diskussion mal jemand kritisiert hat, dass diejenigen, die bei Kreisverkehren / Ortseinfahren

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Paul Norman
From: Pavel Pisa [mailto:ppisa4li...@pikron.com] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:01 AM To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data I (for myself strongly demand) that my former and future change sets can be exported from OSM under CC-BY-SA but I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by convince people to add the odbl clause to people providing data. I mean I asked people to give us the data under cc-by-sa, and now i would have to go back and ask for the odbl

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: that is different than to ask for the CT which is my eyes basically a copyright assignment to the osmf, I cannot understand that or explain And to add in one more point, I dont want to have to go back again and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: This is a good reason to have contributor terms. the contributor terms introduce more problems, like the fact that it prevents anyone from importing any derived works. lets say i download the new cc-by-sa+odbl

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mistake in French translation of the CT

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Collinson
On 20/09/2012 16:32, Pieren wrote: Hi legal-list, I would like to point out an error in your French translation of the CT: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR compared to its original (http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms). Section 3. says

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mistake in French translation of the CT

2012-09-20 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: None of us speak good French though, if anyone would like to provide an accurate translation, I would be grateful. I would suggest: par une majorité de 2/3 des contributeurs actifs. instead of the current: par une

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Collinson
On 20/09/2012 07:32, Mike Dupont wrote: Hi there, I have a question about imports and the ODBl, I see that some sources have decided to dual license the data http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue But how can some third parties data be compatible when the CT says it can change

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Michael Collinson
On 20/09/2012 09:13, Stephan Knauss wrote: On 20.09.2012 07:32, Mike Dupont wrote: How can a contributor import any data and keep the data open to license change? How can you keep any imports at all from people who have not agreed to the CT directly? I agree with you in this point. If we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: () The CTs where written carefully to say, If you contribute Contents, You are indicating that, as far as You know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those Contents under our current licence

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Stephan Knauss
Mike Dupont writes: On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: This is a good reason to have contributor terms. the contributor terms introduce more problems, like the fact that it prevents anyone from importing any derived works. lets say i download the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Alex Barth
On Sep 20, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: On 20.09.2012 07:32, Mike Dupont wrote: How can a contributor import any data and keep the data open to license change? How can you keep any imports at all from people who have not agreed to the CT directly? I agree

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
Bekim, I have been working on understanding the new license even today. it is cc-by-sa + database rights (odbl) + the right for osm to change the licence at will in the future. basically you need to grant the osm the rights to use the data, Michael can give you more info about this, thanks,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [GIS-Kosova] OSM road network for Kosova

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
I dont understand that myself, it seems a bit fuzzy to me but this is the right mailing list and I hope you will get some feedback, thanks mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Bekim Kajtazi bekim.kajt...@gmail.com wrote: Ok but I don't know how to go about and do that! That's my problem. Where

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Mike Dupont
that sounds more like my conclusion, it is the end of the road for share alike and sharing for osm. basically it is turning into a dead end road. well guys please help bekim, i have sent him to you, mike On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Mike, I think we should

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] importing ODBl data

2012-09-20 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/20/2012 08:46 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: that sounds more like my conclusion, it is the end of the road for share alike and sharing for osm. basically it is turning into a dead end road. What in the hoof are you talking about? - Rob. ___

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 September 2012 09:41, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Yes it is a small roundabout as you can not legally drive over it unless it is impractical to do so. The vehicle in the street view is clearly about to drive around the center island. Whereas if it was a truck/bus/caravan it

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread John Henderson
On 20/09/12 18:37, Stephen Hope wrote: Mini-roundabout doesn't mean you can legally drive over it in any vehicle, it means that you can physically drive over it if you need to. The australian guidelines are wrong, in this case. And yes, I know how they evolved to this state, I've kept up on

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Nick Hocking
Stephen wrote there is now a need for using mini-roundabout in Australia. I always like to simplify things (maybe too much sometimes). How about If the approaches to the intersection/junction have roundabout signs then it is a roundabout, roundabout laws apply and we should tag it

[talk-au] GPS accuracy

2012-09-20 Thread Peter Hoban
On 20/09/2012 3:49 PM, Brett Russell signalled: Been reading up on GPS accuracy and playing with averaging waypoints on the Garmin 62S and have realised that WAAS does not work outside the USA and for some units better to have it switched off. If I wrong in my understanding please let me know.

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm not saying that a mini-roundabout isn't a roundabout, it is, and all the normal signs and laws apply. What it also is, however, is traversable. If you have a vehicle that cannot go around it, because it is too large, then you're allowed to go over it. I'd be just a happy to use a normal

Re: [talk-au] Aligning steets

2012-09-20 Thread Nick Hocking
Stephen wrote I'd be just a happy to use a normal roundabout way, and mark it as traversable with traversable=yes Yes - an excellent suggestion. Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] GPS accuracy

2012-09-20 Thread John Henderson
On 20/09/12 22:27, Peter Hoban wrote: Discovering the accuracy of a unit is easy. Find a convenient spot near your house and with your GPS record its position. Come back next day (or at least a few hours later) and do it again. Repeat daily until you are sick of it and you will then have a

Re: [talk-au] GPS accuracy

2012-09-20 Thread Brett Russell
Hi all Interesting discussion and thanks for confirming that WAAS is not an option in Australia so I will switch it off. Subtle details like this get missed in various reviews and also means that USA and now likely European reviews with claims of accruacy need have factored in that WAAS

Re: [talk-au] GPS accuracy

2012-09-20 Thread Russell Edwards
Hi all, On this topic -- for what it's worth I have written a JOSM plugin to help with GPS accuracy in the case of having multiple tracks covering the same . You can highlight a set of GPX tracks along a straight path (or taken from a fixed position) and it will a) average them all to find

Re: [Talk-br] mapas do IBGE e JOSM/PicLayer

2012-09-20 Thread Wille
Massa, Arlindo! Depois vou contribuir com alguns arquivos. abraços, On 19-09-2012 17:43, Arlindo Pereira wrote: Criei o repositório no GitHub: https://github.com/nighto/calibracao-mapas-ibge Gerald (e demais), você pode colocar lá (ou me passar) os arquivos .cal referente aos arquivos que

Re: [Talk-de] 3D-Mapping Doppelhaushälfte

2012-09-20 Thread tumsi
Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] 3D-Mapping Doppelhaushälfte Datum: Wed Sep 19 2012 22:19:10 GMT+0200 Von: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Am 19. September 2012 18:01 schrieb Lars Schimmer

Re: [Talk-de] 3D-Mapping Doppelhaushälfte

2012-09-20 Thread Lars Schimmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-09-20 08:45, tumsi wrote: Wenn ich das richtig mitbekommen habe, dann geht es hier doch um _ein_ Gebäude mit Walmdach, aufgeteilt in 2 Einheiten. Wenn man nun jeder Hälfte ein Walmdach verpasst, wie weiss der Renderer dann, dass das nur

[Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread Joachim Kast
Hallo, letzten Freitag hat die Bayerische Vermessungsverwaltung das neue Internetportal BayernAtlas freigeschaltet. Als Referenz an unser Projekt gibt es zwei OSM-Layer mit Biergärten bzw. Picknickplätzen. http://www.bayernatlas.de/ http://vermessung.bayern.de/aktuell/archiv/723.html Getreu dem

Re: [Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread Manuel Reimer
Joachim Kast osm-ml at dd1gj.de writes: letzten Freitag hat die Bayerische Vermessungsverwaltung das neue Internetportal BayernAtlas freigeschaltet. Als Referenz an unser Projekt gibt es zwei OSM-Layer mit Biergärten bzw. Picknickplätzen. Wow. Nicht schlecht. Ist zwar nur eine vergleichsweise

Re: [Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread aighes
Am 20.09.2012 09:30, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Getreu dem Motto Etwas geht immer schief wurden unsere Daten vom 13.07.2012 unter ODbL attributiert, obwohl zu diesem Zeitpunkt unsere Lizenzumstellung noch nicht abgeschlossen war. Dieses kleine Missgeschick wird in Kürze behoben. Es handelt sich um

Re: [Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 20.09.2012 09:02, schrieb Joachim Kast: letzten Freitag hat die Bayerische Vermessungsverwaltung das neue Internetportal BayernAtlas freigeschaltet. Als Referenz an unser Projekt gibt es zwei OSM-Layer mit Biergärten bzw. Picknickplätzen. Schönes Beispiel, ich habe das mal verlinkt auf

[Talk-de] Bahn-Fahrplan als offene Daten

2012-09-20 Thread bkmap
Hallo, das wäre doch mal ein Anfang, um den öffentlichen Nahverkehr wirklich öffentlich zu machen. http://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/bahn-fahrplan-als-opendata-veroeffentlichen Gruß Burkhard ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread wwl
schrieb Joachim Kast: http://www.bayernatlas.de/ http://vermessung.bayern.de/aktuell/archiv/723.html Hallo, was mir dabei so nebenbei auffällt ist das das Satellitenbildmaterial sehr aktuell und sehr detailiert ist. Kann man das als Hintergrund für JOSM einbinden? Zur Zeit benutze ich

Re: [Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread Manuel Reimer
wwl usenet at schani.com writes: Hallo, was mir dabei so nebenbei auffällt ist das das Satellitenbildmaterial sehr aktuell und sehr detailiert ist. Kann man das als Hintergrund für JOSM einbinden? Ob man das kann, ist kaum relevant, weil du dann nicht davon abzeichnen dürftest. Zur Zeit

Re: [Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread Joachim Kast
Kann man das als Hintergrund für JOSM einbinden? Leider nicht. Aus den Nutzungsbedingungen: Nicht erlaubt sind die Extraktion von Daten aus dem BayernAtlas und deren weitere Nutzung (z.B. Vervielfältigung, Speicherung, Veränderung oder die Integration in die Arbeitsumgebung des Nutzers sowie der

Re: [Talk-de] 3D Features von Gebäuden, weclhes Schema?

2012-09-20 Thread Peter Barth
Hallo Lars, Lars Schimmer schrieb: Wir nehmen Wünsche für kleine Gebiete außerhalb von DE entgegen und rendern auch schon einige Fleckchen z.B. in den USA und Japan. Schreib dafür einfach Peda oder mir eine Mail! Am einfachsten ist es für uns, wenn gleich einige Zoom-13-Kachenummern dabei

Re: [Talk-de] amtlicher BayernAtlas mit OSM-Layern

2012-09-20 Thread wwl
schrieb Manuel Reimer: wwl usenet at schani.com writes: Hallo, was mir dabei so nebenbei auffällt ist das das Satellitenbildmaterial sehr aktuell und sehr detailiert ist. Kann man das als Hintergrund für JOSM einbinden? Ob man das kann, ist kaum relevant, weil du dann nicht davon abzeichnen

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