[Talk-lt] iD redaktoriaus problemos

[Tomas Straupis]

Sveiki

  Šiek tiek info apie redaktorių iD. T.y. naršyklėje veikiantį
redaktorių, kurį naudojate, kai openstreetmap.org svetainėje
spaudžiate „Keisti“ (jei nesate specialiai nurodę redaktoriaus JOSM).

  Redaktorius iD pakeitė anksčiau naudotą naršyklinį redaktorių
Potlatch, nes pastarasis buvo parašytas su nebenaudotina Flash
technologija.

  iD didžiąja dalimi kuria kompanijos MapBox darbuotojai. Ir nors
pradžioje viskas visai neblogai atrodė, bet kuo toliau, tuo labiau
MapBox kompanijos ir iD kūrėjų asmeninė nuomonė pradėjo permušinėti
OpenStreetMap bendruomenės nuomonę. Paskutiniu metu MapBox darbuotojas
ir iD kūrėjas Bryan apskritai pasakė, kad jam neįdomu, ką bendruomenė
šneka, jis bendrauja su kitais „stakeholderiais“. Į iD vis daugiau
pradėjo lįsti bendruomenės nepriimtų žymėjimo schemų, o paskutinį
mėnesį į iD pridėtas dar ir „quality assurance“ mechanizmas, kuris
gadina gerai pažymėtus objektus pasiūlant dažniausiai nieko
nesuprantančiam naudotojui „pataisyti“ duomenis paspaudus mygtuką
„taisyti“.

  Deja naršyklinis redaktorius yra reikalingas, nes tai leidžia
naujiems naudotojams labai greitai ir paprastai redaguoti OSM
žemėlapį. OSMF „galvoja“, ką daryti, tai, kaip suprantu, variantai du:
1. prikalbins MapBox suvaldyti savo programuotojus (būtų puiku, bet
kažkodėl abejoju tokia baigtimi), 2. suras vienokį ar kitokį pakaitalą
iD redaktoriui.

  Suprantu, kad JOSM yra javinė programa, taigi norint jį naudoti
reikia diegti java, tada atsisiųsti JOSM, jį atnaujinti ir pan., kas
windausuose nėra trivialu, tai persijungti į JOSM siūlysiu tik daug
žymintiems (dauguma pagrindinių žymėtojų Lietuvoje ir taip jau žymi
JOSM, nes įpratus jis yra ir patogesnis, stabilesnis ir turi daug
daugiau galimybių).

  O visiems kitiems tiesiog siūlau ignoruoti iD siūlomus esamų duomenų
„patobulinimus“.

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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 13:06, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> Simon, you raise a good point! What do you all think is an effective way
> to get this input? Reach out to people we know are active mappers in
> Oceania and see if they would like their country to be represented?
>
> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 21:18, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:12, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>
>>> I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
>>> application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about
>>> Australia.
>>>
>>
>> I would expect nothing less from the OSMF.
>>
>> Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
>>> not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
>>> chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
>>> and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this is
>>> not considered.
>>>
>>
I agree that Simon has raised a very valid point, but, without wishing to
sound rude or condescending in any way, would the various small island
nations have the resources to set up their own Chapters?


> I agree. There has been bit of discussion within the OSGeo Oceania
>> committee regarding this.
>>
>> My opinion is we should only include countries where the local OSM
>> community actively voice they want it.
>>
>
Are there even any OSM mappers in some of them?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [OSM-ja] 北海道の廃線マッピングの対応について

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

> muramototomoyaさん
紹介ありがとうございます。
僕もそのスレッド読んだのですが、個人の意見や主張がかなり入り込んでいて、
どうしたものかなー、と思っていました (^^;
特に結論らしい結論もでていないように見えたので。
とはいえ、参考にはなるので、「そういう意見もあるんだ」というかんじかな、と思っています。
（個人的には特に、「Wikipediaだけ」とか「Wikidataだけ」といったように、
単一ソースでだけ考えて互換性などを議論しているきらいがあるのが気になりました）

> どこまでが「事実情報」であるのかは明確にしてほしい
翻って、では日本において「事実とは何か」というのはなかなか難しいところだな、と思っています。
逆に言えば、「事実情報」＝「著作権法上で著作性が認められない場合」ということになりますので、
これまでの判例や解説をつらつらあたってみたのですが、
やはりどうも、ウェブページに掲載されている住所や電話番号程度の情報は、
著作権では保護できない可能性が高いのでは、と考えています。

データベースの構造を守っている判例（NTTタウンページ事件、旅nesPro事件）や、
逆に、データベースに入っているデータ自体には著作性が認められないケースも（翼システム事件、住宅ローン商品金利情報）あります。
そして、著作性が否定されていてもビジネス的に影響がある場合、
著作権ではなく一般不法行為（つまり、「営業妨害」）によって救済を行っている例（同: 翼システム事件）もあります。
（このへんはスクレイピング関連の裁判や、AI・ビッグデータに関する権利保護の経産省ガイドラインも参照したほうがよいかもしれません）

https://storialaw.jp/topics/3309
https://business.bengo4.com/practices/689
https://www.soei.com/blog/2016/06/15/%E3%83%87%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83%99%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%81%AE%E8%91%97%E4%BD%9C%E6%A8%A9%E4%BE%B5%E5%AE%B3/
https://business.bengo4.com/practices/506
https://business.bengo4.com/articles/224
https://storialaw.jp/blog/4831

と、いうわけで、「事実情報とはなにか（法的な視点で）」という観点で考えると、
これまでの日本OSMの慣例よりもかなり広い範囲が許容されることになるのかな、と思っています。
ただ、それだと他の地図等からの転載も含めて危なっかしい運用になることも事実であり、
個人的には、先日投稿したとおり、

「Wikipediaの属性情報(名称など)をOSMに投入する場合、他の書籍や現地記述などの情報源も参照し、
それがWikipediaのみの記載ではなく事実であることが確認できればOK」

というところになるのかな、と思っています。
情報として、複数ソースによって再現可能性が発生することが重要かな、と。

公式ウェブページでも情報が古い場合はしばしばあるので、
なにかしら他の情報源も参照したいな、という気持ちです。
また、「例えば食べログ、scuel.meのような二次情報をソースとすべきでない」についても同意です。
この判断でゆくと、商用地図は二次情報にあたるかと思いますので、単一のソースとすべきではない、という整理になるのかな。





2019年5月31日(金) 21:42 tomoya muramoto :

>
> いいださんがOSM-talkの関連議論をTwitterで紹介していたので、要約してみました。いろんな人の意見が入っているので、一貫した説明にはなっていません。
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2018-May/080662.html
> * WikipediaはODbLと非互換なので使わない。
> * WikidataはCC0なので使える。
> * 事実情報は著作権で保護されない。WikipediaでもWikidataでも事実情報なら使える。
> *
> Googleマップの位置情報をWikipediaにコピーするのは推奨されている。それがWikidataにコピーされている。OSMにWikipedia/Wikidataの情報をいれるのは危ない。
> *
> たとえ元がGoogleマップのデータであっても、OSM編集時に参照しているデータがCC0であれば大丈夫。WikimediaがGoogleと使用を合意しているかもしれないし。
> * 権利者から訴えられなければOSMに何を入れてもいいわけではない。米国ではCC0でもODbLと非互換なケースもある。
> * OSMはデータソースには非常に注意深く対処してきた。
> * ライセンスの問題とは別である。Wikipedia/WikidataがOSMにデータ使用を許可したとしても、データがシロであるとは限らない。
> *
> OSMは自分で調査したon-the-groundでverifiableなデータを使うべき。もしくは一次データの所有者から許可をもらったもの。とはいえ現実にはWikipedia/Wikidataからデータをコピーしたデータは多い。今後問題になるかも。
> *
> WikidataがCC0であることは、第三者が権利を有していないことを意味するのではない。Wikidataは権利を主張しないと宣言しているだけである。
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Andrew Harvey]

A neat thing you can do is infill the base of the image where your
hand/body/head are to make it less distracting. For example all my 360
images on Mapillary do this ->
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/xfQGW4eK_ntjhRNyXDW5bQ

The script I use for this is
https://github.com/andrewharvey/lg360-mapillary-helpers/blob/master/lg360_inpaint
which
uses gmic's inpaint capabilities
http://gmic.eu/reference.shtml#inpaint_matchpatch. The script takes a
black/white mask, then patches that part of the image on a thumbnail sized
image (to make it faster) then composites that into the final output.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 21:49, Nick Whitelegg 
wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
>
> Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing
> OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but
> focusing on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced
> panoramas.
>
>
> Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the
> appearance of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing
> APIs (GeoJSON Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did
> an initial presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.
>
>
> Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still
> incomplete, is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving
> contributions.
>
>
> It's available at
>
> https://www.opentrailview.org/
>
>
> You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by
> navigating in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some
> panoramas available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72).
> There's a Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the
> map icon).
>
>
> If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos.
> Obviously follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number
> plates) - panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not
> have any privacy violations amongst other things.
>
>
> The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data
> to auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.
>
>
> However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the world,
> at present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe* plus
> Turkey (I am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server currently
> only stores European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible offer of
> helping with hosting costs so expansion to the entire world could well
> happen soon.
>
>
> The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and
> a few selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone
> is aware of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without
> violating the usage policy, please let me know.
>
>
> In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors' and
> licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common
> practice.
>
>
> Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now in
> a state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.
>
>
> Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Batiments - Fonctions orthogonales

[Pierre Béland via Talk-ca]

Bonjour Jarek
extring === external ring groupe de batiments "building.geojson",  batiments 
individuels
exemple  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/661895520
"building_extring.geojson" batiments adjacents qui partagent des nodesexemple 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/JAe
geojson si on clique sur polygone
vars :
| ways_id | 
661895520,639843855,661895517,661895518,661895519,661895521,661895522,661894733 
|
| grp_poly | 7 |


"building_extring_orthogonal.geojson"
Orthogonal === Avec correction orthogonale (squarred result)  A noter version 
préliminaire et améliorations a venircorrection orthogonale - actuellement tous 
les batiments - correction (squarring) si 80 < angle < 100 - aucun filtre 
actuellement 
building_orthogonal.geojson  correction batiments individuels  - on observe 
parfois rotation du batiment - cela pourrait être corrigé en identifiant 
aligmement général du batiment (coté le plus long ?)   et aligner ensuite 
autres cotés.  JOSM, code java fonction orthogonale, si je comprends que c'est 
la procédure suivie


|  * Estimate the direction of the segments, given the first segment points in 
the |
|


|  * direction pInitialDirection. |
|


|  * Then sum up all horizontal / vertical segments to have a good guess for 
the |
|

 * heading of the entire way.
https://github.com/stefanocudini/orthogonalize-js/blob/master/OrthogonalizeAction.josm.java

 
Pierre 
 

Le vendredi 31 mai 2019 17 h 49 min 21 s UTC−4, Jarek Piórkowski 
 a écrit :  
 
 Hi Pierre,

Thanks for sending these out.

Can you briefly confirm what the "building.geojson",
"building_extring.geojson", "building_extring_orthogonal.geojson"
files represent? I'm not really familiar with the terms, perhaps
because I don't have much of a GIS or geometry background. Is the
"extring" file only those buildings that don't have superfluous nodes?
"extring_orthogonal" contains only those that are square and don't
have superfluous nodes?

I guess OSM data is used for easy testing? I remain very interested as
to how the Statcan building footprints for that area look like when
cleaned up - I hope for better accuracy than trying to estimate from
low-res or off-vertical imagery.

It doesn't help that Github GeoJSON preview evidently uses a super-old
version of OSM data for base map...

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Milo van der Linden]

Kathleen has a good point, it is important to choose a good license if you
want to use photos by others too. And it is good to discuss the license
early in your project.

Kind regards,

Milo

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 22:13 Nick Whitelegg 
wrote:

>
> Hello Kathleen and Milo,
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> No-one besides myself has uploaded anything yet, so happy to change to
> ODbL. The panoramas are a different dataset to OSM however, now I think
> about it, it could well be they are a 'derived work' as the OSM map helps
> users to position them - so fine with the license change.
>
>
> Nick
>
> --
> *From:* Kathleen Lu 
> *Sent:* 31 May 2019 19:31:52
> *To:* Milo van der Linden
> *Cc:* Nick Whitelegg; OSM Talk
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application
> for hikers
>
> Looks neat, Nick!
>
> I will say that given that OSM is under ODbL, which is not compatible with
> CC-BY-SA (see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility) I would
> suggest that you consider using ODbL as the license instead of CC-BY-SA.
>
> Best,
> Kathleen
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:22 AM Milo van der Linden 
> wrote:
>
> Cool! It looks and interacts awesome.
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019, 18:43 Nick Whitelegg 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks! Actually used Pannellum: https://pannellum.org/
>
>
> 
>
> Note that there is one little issue, which I thought I'd resolved, but has
> recurred today, and *might* be down to Pannellum: occasionally (and
> inconsistently, i.e. there isn't a sequence of actions which causes it to
> happen) if you click on a camera icon when in map mode it doesn't load the
> panorama. Most of the time it's fine though.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
> --
> *From:* Milo van der Linden 
> *Sent:* 31 May 2019 17:20:57
> *To:* Nick Whitelegg
> *Cc:* osm-talk
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application
> for hikers
>
> Nice! Did you create your own panoviewer or did you use
> https://www.marzipano.net/?
>
> Op vr 31 mei 2019 om 13:46 schreef Nick Whitelegg <
> nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing
> OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but
> focusing on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced
> panoramas.
>
>
> Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the
> appearance of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing
> APIs (GeoJSON Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did
> an initial presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.
>
>
> Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still
> incomplete, is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving
> contributions.
>
>
> It's available at
>
> https://www.opentrailview.org/
>
>
> You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by
> navigating in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some
> panoramas available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72).
> There's a Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the
> map icon).
>
>
> If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos.
> Obviously follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number
> plates) - panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not
> have any privacy violations amongst other things.
>
>
> The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data
> to auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.
>
>
> However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the world,
> at present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe* plus
> Turkey (I am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server currently
> only stores European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible offer of
> helping with hosting costs so expansion to the entire world could well
> happen soon.
>
>
> The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and
> a few selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone
> is aware of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without
> violating the usage policy, please let me know.
>
>
> In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors' and
> licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common
> practice.
>
>
> Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now in
> a state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.
>
>
> Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> web: dogodigi 
> 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [OSM-Talk-Fr] Extinction de l'éclairage public

[marc marc]

c'est super bien vu l'idée de commons pour les panneaux !
p'tre qu'un jour mapillary les détectera pour compléter.

Le 28.05.19 à 19:40, Paul Desgranges a écrit :
> 
> Le 28/05/2019 à 19:25, Nicolas Bétheuil a écrit :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Avez-vous déjà référencé des villes / communes / village qui éteignent 
>> l'éclairage public durant la nuit ?
>> Quels tags utiliseriez vous ?
>>
>> Bon, en fait, en regardant un peu mieux dans le wiki et tag info j'ai 
>> trouvé ça
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/operating_times#map
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:lit
>>
>> Trop embryonnaire sûrement pour être pertinent.
> J'avais entamé une discussion sur le sujet qui avait donné lieu à 
> quelques commentaires
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:lit#For_town_for_cities_with_lighting_plans_to_reduce_light_pollution
> Il faudrait repartir de là éventuellement...
> L'idéal serait d'obtenir l'ouverture des données de l'ANPCEN, et ceci a 
> déjà été discuté sur cette liste à l'époque ...
> Il y a aussi ceci 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=extinction+%C3%A9clairage+public=Special%3ASearch=Go=1=1=1=1=1=1
> Paul
>>
>> Ce serait en s'inspirant de ça https://www.anpcen.fr/?id_rub=19 (mais 
>> pas assez doué pour trouver une carte / liste un peu à jour)
>> Et pour savoir où je peux partir en vacances avec mon télescope, pour 
>> adapter la lecture de la carte de l'avex 
>> https://www.avex-asso.org/dossiers/wordpress/fr_FR/la-pollution-lumineuse-light-pollution/cartes-de-pollution-europeenne-avex-2016?lang=fr_FR#-cartes-classiques
>>
>> Bonne soirée
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Batiments - Fonctions orthogonales

[Jarek Piórkowski]

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for sending these out.

Can you briefly confirm what the "building.geojson",
"building_extring.geojson", "building_extring_orthogonal.geojson"
files represent? I'm not really familiar with the terms, perhaps
because I don't have much of a GIS or geometry background. Is the
"extring" file only those buildings that don't have superfluous nodes?
"extring_orthogonal" contains only those that are square and don't
have superfluous nodes?

I guess OSM data is used for easy testing? I remain very interested as
to how the Statcan building footprints for that area look like when
cleaned up - I hope for better accuracy than trying to estimate from
low-res or off-vertical imagery.

It doesn't help that Github GeoJSON preview evidently uses a super-old
version of OSM data for base map...

Thanks again,
--Jarek

On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 21:58, Pierre Béland via Talk-ca
 wrote:
>
> Voici des tests supplémentaires qui couvrent la zone proposée par Daniel
> source https://github.com/jfd553/OrthogonalizingBuildingFootprint
>
> Les fichiers geojson suivants sont disponibles
> https://github.com/pierzen/OQ_Analysis/blob/master/sql/test/geojson/oq_on_toronto_jarek_s2a_building.geojson
>
> https://github.com/pierzen/OQ_Analysis/blob/master/sql/test/geojson/oq_on_toronto_jarek_s2a_building_extring_orthogonal.geojson
>
> https://github.com/pierzen/OQ_Analysis/blob/master/sql/test/geojson/oq_on_toronto_jarek_s2b_building_extring.geojson
>
> https://github.com/pierzen/OQ_Analysis/blob/master/sql/test/geojson/oq_on_toronto_jarek_s2b_building_extring_orthogonal.geojson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
>
> Le lundi 27 mai 2019 13 h 45 min 30 s UTC−4, Pierre Béland via Talk-ca 
>  a écrit :
>
>
> J'ai progressé dans le développement des fonctions pour orthogonaliser les 
> bâtiments.  Ce n'est qu'une version préliminaire, incomplète, mais pour ceux 
> intéresés par ces développements, il y a déja sufffisamment de fonctions de 
> disponibles pour voir la progression et les défis que cela représente.
>
> J'ai  transféré cette version préliminaire sur Github.  La méthodologie est 
> relativement simple conceptuellement, mais il y a beaucoup d'obstacles à 
> opérationnaliser avec les outils actuels.
> Une fonction de rotation permet la rotation d'un coté de bâtiment pour rendre 
> orthogonal l'angle avec le segment précédent.  Un pivot central au centre du 
> segment est utilisé.  Cette méhode peut être rafinée de multiples façons. 
> Mais c'est un début.
>
> Je regarde toujours la possibilité d'utiliser les fonctions topologiques pour 
> éviter des croisements de bâtiments.
>
> Je vais aussi ajouter de la documentation supplémentaire, et décrire la 
> méthode en créant une page wiki dans le répertoire github.
>
> N'hésitez pas à commenter ces développements.
>
> voir
> Fonctions PostgreSQL-PostGIS  Orthogonalisation
> https://github.com/pierzen/OQ_Analysis/tree/master/sql/Orthogonal
>
> échantillons et tests
> https://github.com/pierzen/OQ_Analysis/tree/master/sql/test
>
> résultats fichiers geojson
> https://github.com/pierzen/OQ_Analysis/tree/master/sql/test/geojson
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hello Kathleen and Milo,

Thanks!


No-one besides myself has uploaded anything yet, so happy to change to ODbL. 
The panoramas are a different dataset to OSM however, now I think about it, it 
could well be they are a 'derived work' as the OSM map helps users to position 
them - so fine with the license change.


Nick


From: Kathleen Lu 
Sent: 31 May 2019 19:31:52
To: Milo van der Linden
Cc: Nick Whitelegg; OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for 
hikers

Looks neat, Nick!

I will say that given that OSM is under ODbL, which is not compatible with 
CC-BY-SA (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility) I 
would suggest that you consider using ODbL as the license instead of CC-BY-SA.

Best,
Kathleen

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:22 AM Milo van der Linden 
mailto:m...@dogodigi.net>> wrote:
Cool! It looks and interacts awesome.

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 18:43 Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>> wrote:

Thanks! Actually used Pannellum: https://pannellum.org/




Note that there is one little issue, which I thought I'd resolved, but has 
recurred today, and *might* be down to Pannellum: occasionally (and 
inconsistently, i.e. there isn't a sequence of actions which causes it to 
happen) if you click on a camera icon when in map mode it doesn't load the 
panorama. Most of the time it's fine though.



Nick


From: Milo van der Linden mailto:m...@dogodigi.net>>
Sent: 31 May 2019 17:20:57
To: Nick Whitelegg
Cc: osm-talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for 
hikers

Nice! Did you create your own panoviewer or did you use 
https://www.marzipano.net/?

Op vr 31 mei 2019 om 13:46 schreef Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>>:


Hi,


Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing 
OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but focusing 
on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced panoramas.


Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the appearance 
of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing APIs (GeoJSON 
Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did an initial 
presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.


Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still incomplete, 
is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving contributions.


It's available at

https://www.opentrailview.org/


You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by navigating 
in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some panoramas 
available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72). There's a 
Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the map icon).


If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos. Obviously 
follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number plates) - 
panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not have any 
privacy violations amongst other things.


The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data to 
auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.


However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the world, at 
present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe* plus Turkey (I 
am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server currently only stores 
European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible offer of helping with hosting 
costs so expansion to the entire world could well happen soon.


The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and a few 
selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone is aware 
of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without violating the 
usage policy, please let me know.


In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors' and 
licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common practice.


Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now in a 
state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.


Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/


Thanks,

Nick





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Re: [talk-cz] Vyhledávání v předdefinovaných (nalezených) trasách

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 31. 05. 19 v 11:08 Mikoláš Štrajt napsal(a):
> Já osobně bych se při plánování delší cesty do divočejších částí světa
> držel spíše papíru, tužky a mapy, vytváření SW je IMHO spíše ztráta
> času, protože tvůj hlavní problém je spíše nedostatek kvalitních dat
> kterými bys svůj SW nakrmil.

+1
Já byl v Africe (Namibii) loni a ačkoliv OSM byl jeden z
nejpodrobnějších zdrojů (asi nejlepší byl Tracks4Africa), tak pořád těch
dat je málo.
Já měl plán velmi přibližný - "tady sem se asi dá dostat - uvidíme", ale
den či dva nebyla žádná míra. Pokud se něco nedá projet, tak objíždka
klidně zabere den.

Co mě osobně spíše chybělo, že neexistuje routovací appka pro 4x4, která
by brala v potaz highway=track jako akceptovatelnou cestu. Což v Africe
je normální silnice - akorát po ní nemůžeš jezdit tak rychle.

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Julien Lepiller]

Le Fri, 31 May 2019 20:37:47 +0200 (CEST),
Mateusz Konieczny  a écrit :

> 31 May 2019, 19:47 by tshriniva...@gmail.com:
> 
> > For translation, I got few contributors, who can translation if give
> > the exact content in a excel sheet or in some translation system.
> > They are not willing to explore osm, jsom, overpass query etc for
> > translating the strings.
> >  
> note: what I propose below is not existing at this moment, though
> maybe it would be a good idea to create something like this
> 
> What about an Android application that displays map, with markers for 
> locations where name in one of local languages is missing?
> 
> And user can fill such missing names, based on ground survey as one
> walks across town/village/neighbourhood?
> 

That sounds like something that Street Complete could do, don't you
think? But it will probably add a very dense set of quests, and most of
these questions will be very difficult to answer from the ground.

I can only talk about my experience in Brittany (France) where some
street signs are bilingual. If I had a quest on Street Complete for
that, I would almost certainly hide it, because maybe half of the
streets do not have a bilingual sign, so the question is impossible to
answer. Apart from roads and towns, POIs in my experience only have one
name, and it doesn't make sense to translate it, since people won't
recognize the name at all. For instance I don't think it makes sense to
add a name:en to a bar called "le bar bleu" even though it could be
`name:en=the blue bar`. Nobody would understand or use that name.

Since Tamil uses a different script from English, it might make sense
to use transliteration to show a map in the Tamil script, in which
case it's up to the map renderer to do a proper transliteration. It
might also be the case that the POI was named using a transliteration
(from a tourist who can't read Tamil for instance), in which case
renaming the POI to use the Tamil script makes sense I think. I believe
this has already been discussed for Japanese?

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Shrinivasan T]

Thanks Mateusz,

Will read the import guidelines.

As wikidata and other machine translation services cause license
issues, will translate them all manually.

Once the process is setup, few cycles of export/translate/import is done,
we can create a web/mobile application for this.

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Kathleen Lu via talk]

> In general, it is impossible to find proper names in one language when you
> have solely name in other language. One needs more context to actually do
> this.
>
> To make the translator's job easier, I do a google or bing or wikidata
> or some machine translation, so that they can skip the correct one.
> They can only fix the wrong translations.
>
> I would not expect some reasonable quality from that.
>
> I would expect locals to be able to determine this. From your post, I
assume that you are a local and fluent in Tamil, and therefore able to tell
whether the translations from your volunteers are correct. I would suggest
testing with a small sample for translation using your proposed translation
process and then manually edit those names to see whether you get the
results you're hoping for.


> Also, note that imports from wikidata to OSM are not acceptable.
> See
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data_from_Wikidata_into_OSM
>
> Given that the proposal involves only suggested translations and
post-editing by human translators, I would not consider this an import from
Wikidata, as the human translators break any (already limited by law) IP
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] opentopomap ssl cert expiré (28/05/2019)

[Vincent Privat]

Mauvais thread. On parlait d'opentopomap pas de la bd ortho. Il y a un
thread sur ce sujet, j'ai lu quelqu'un signaler ce souci à Christian déjà.

Le ven. 31 mai 2019 à 20:07, Ralf Treinen  a écrit :

> Bonsoir,
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 08:21:57AM +0200, Cyrille37 OSM wrote:
>
> > Oui, le site web et l'imagerie sont à nouveau opérationnels. Merci à
> ceux qui
> > ont opéré.
>
> pas pour moi, la couche BDOrtho IGN ne me donne qu'un fond noir
> (essayé par example place Victor et Helene Basch à Paris XV).
>
> Dans le terminal où j'ai lancé josm je vois plein de messages comme
>
> 2019-05-31 19:59:45.214 INFO: GET
> https://proxy-ign.openstreetmap.fr/94GjiyqD/bdortho/19/265532/180436.jpg
> -> 200 (668 B)
>
> Quand je copie cet url dans un navigateur web j'obtiens effectivement
> un carré noir. Est-ce une question temporaire de cache ?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Mateusz Konieczny]

31 May 2019, 19:47 by tshriniva...@gmail.com:

> For translation, I got few contributors, who can translation if give
> the exact content in a excel sheet or in some translation system.
> They are not willing to explore osm, jsom, overpass query etc for
> translating the strings.
>
note: what I propose below is not existing at this moment, though maybe it
would be a good idea to create something like this

What about an Android application that displays map, with markers for 
locations where name in one of local languages is missing?

And user can fill such missing names, based on ground survey as one walks
across town/village/neighbourhood?

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Kathleen Lu via talk]

Looks neat, Nick!

I will say that given that OSM is under ODbL, which is not compatible with
CC-BY-SA (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility)
I would suggest that you consider using ODbL as the license instead of
CC-BY-SA.

Best,
Kathleen

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:22 AM Milo van der Linden 
wrote:

> Cool! It looks and interacts awesome.
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019, 18:43 Nick Whitelegg 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks! Actually used Pannellum: https://pannellum.org/
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Note that there is one little issue, which I thought I'd resolved, but
>> has recurred today, and *might* be down to Pannellum: occasionally (and
>> inconsistently, i.e. there isn't a sequence of actions which causes it to
>> happen) if you click on a camera icon when in map mode it doesn't load the
>> panorama. Most of the time it's fine though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Milo van der Linden 
>> *Sent:* 31 May 2019 17:20:57
>> *To:* Nick Whitelegg
>> *Cc:* osm-talk
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like
>> application for hikers
>>
>> Nice! Did you create your own panoviewer or did you use
>> https://www.marzipano.net/?
>>
>> Op vr 31 mei 2019 om 13:46 schreef Nick Whitelegg <
>> nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing
>> OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but
>> focusing on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced
>> panoramas.
>>
>>
>> Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the
>> appearance of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing
>> APIs (GeoJSON Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did
>> an initial presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.
>>
>>
>> Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still
>> incomplete, is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving
>> contributions.
>>
>>
>> It's available at
>>
>> https://www.opentrailview.org/
>>
>>
>> You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by
>> navigating in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some
>> panoramas available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72).
>> There's a Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the
>> map icon).
>>
>>
>> If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos.
>> Obviously follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number
>> plates) - panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not
>> have any privacy violations amongst other things.
>>
>>
>> The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data
>> to auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.
>>
>>
>> However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the
>> world, at present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe*
>> plus Turkey (I am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server
>> currently only stores European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible
>> offer of helping with hosting costs so expansion to the entire world could
>> well happen soon.
>>
>>
>> The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and
>> a few selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone
>> is aware of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without
>> violating the usage policy, please let me know.
>>
>>
>> In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors'
>> and licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common
>> practice.
>>
>>
>> Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now
>> in a state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.
>>
>>
>> Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Mateusz Konieczny]

31 May 2019, 19:47 by tshriniva...@gmail.com:

> Hence, I am thinking of myself query osm, get name strings that done
> have "name:ta" tag, populate them as a google sheet, share the
> translators for translating.
> Once they did, I will import the strings to osm with name:ta tag.
>
Note that answers are likely to be incorrect with such plan.

In general, it is impossible to find proper names in one language when you
have solely name in other language. One needs more context to actually do this.

> To make the translator's job easier, I do a google or bing or wikidata
> or some machine translation, so that they can skip the correct one.
> They can only fix the wrong translations.
>
I would not expect some reasonable quality from that.

Also, note that imports from wikidata to OSM are not acceptable.
See 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata#Importing_data_from_Wikidata_into_OSM

> Do I have to get permission before importing?
>
Yes.

> Where to ask for permission?
>
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] opentopomap ssl cert expiré (28/05/2019)

[Ralf Treinen]

Bonsoir,

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 08:21:57AM +0200, Cyrille37 OSM wrote:

> Oui, le site web et l'imagerie sont à nouveau opérationnels. Merci à ceux qui
> ont opéré.

pas pour moi, la couche BDOrtho IGN ne me donne qu'un fond noir
(essayé par example place Victor et Helene Basch à Paris XV). 

Dans le terminal où j'ai lancé josm je vois plein de messages comme

2019-05-31 19:59:45.214 INFO: GET 
https://proxy-ign.openstreetmap.fr/94GjiyqD/bdortho/19/265532/180436.jpg -> 200 
(668 B)

Quand je copie cet url dans un navigateur web j'obtiens effectivement
un carré noir. Est-ce une question temporaire de cache ?

-Ralf.

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Shrinivasan T]

Thanks for the replies.

I understand that if name:ta tag and its value is available, it is
enough to build Tamil maps.

But, the issue we face is there is not enough name:ta values.

[out:json][timeout:3600][bbox:12.9201721,80.1238331,13.2401721,80.4438331];(node["railway"]["name"~"."]["name:ta"!~"."];);out
meta;

The above is the query for my city railways that dont have tamil translations.

Check the json result here.
http://overpass-api.de/api/interpreter?data=%5Bout%3Ajson%5D%5Btimeout%3A3600%5D%5Bbbox%3A12.9201721%2C80.1238331%2C13.2401721%2C80.4438331%5D%3B%28node%5B%22railway%22%5D%5B%22name%22~%22.%22%5D%5B%22name%3Ata%22%21~%22.%22%5D%3B%29%3Bout%20meta%3B

Like this, we have tons and tons of POIs, Roads, Ways that are only in english.

Now, we have to translate all these strings to Tamil.

For translation, I got few contributors, who can translation if give
the exact content in a excel sheet or in some translation system.
They are not willing to explore osm, jsom, overpass query etc for
translating the strings.

Hence, I am thinking of myself query osm, get name strings that done
have "name:ta" tag, populate them as a google sheet, share the
translators for translating.
Once they did, I will import the strings to osm with name:ta tag.

To make the translator's job easier, I do a google or bing or wikidata
or some machine translation, so that they can skip the correct one.
They can only fix the wrong translations.

The license of translated text will be public domain. so that we can
use for any purpose.

Hope I explained the plan.

My Questions.

Is mass importing of translated strings accepted?
Do I have to get permission before importing?
Where to ask for permission?
Is there any rate limit for importing strings via programming like x
strings per day or per min etc.


Thanks.
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Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport validator+generator from Maps.Me

[Noémie Lehuby via Talk-transit]

Hi Alexey,

Is there somewhere a list of all the checks ?

I've noticed that the Jungle Bus validation ruleset for JOSM and Osmose 
 already covers some of 
these, and I think it would not be so hard to add most of these subway 
rules to it.


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Le 31/05/2019 à 14:02, talk-transit-requ...@openstreetmap.org a écrit :

Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 20:29:08 +0300
From: Alexey Zakharenkov
To: Tijmen Stam
Cc: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics

Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport validator+generator from
Maps.Me
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello, all readers of «PT validator+generator from Maps.Me» thread!

Thank you, I’ve not excepted to get so encouraging feedback in so short time. 
For some reason I haven’t got each reply to my mailbox, but I’ve got them in a 
«Talk-transit Digest». So let me answer here to all questions.

1) "Have you checked whatever some of validation rules can be included in the JOSM 
validator?"

No, I haven’t. I’ll try to find time to check, but unlikely shortly.

2) "Can you expand it to modes besides subway?"

The validator has two notional modes: underground (subway + light_rail + monorail + 
train considered to be rapid transport) and overground (bus, tram, trolleybus, … ). 
We run validator with ‘underground' option on a predefined list of rapid transit 
networks, which has a form of google-table document, link to which is given in repo’s 
readme. The results you can see athttp://osm-subway.maps.me  
  . At present we do not process overground 
transport in our application, but the google doc has an ‘Overground’ sheet with some 
cities.

3) "shouldhttp://osmz.ru/subways/    be considered 
obsolete?»

We run subway validation on a daily basis. If one would have monitored the 
subway state for some time, it would become evident that it changes every day, 
unfortunately towards degradation if let it go (regarding correctness, not 
fullness). Week-old validation results can be considered as outdated (some 
cities remain stable for months though). So, Ilya Zverev’s page is definitely 
obsolete. BTW, each generated validation HTML page has timestamp at the bottom.

4) "what are Maps.me's recommendations for subway tagging?»

The author of the preprocessor, Ilya Zverev, wrote such recommendations 
athttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Metro_Mapping  
  . They are not the 
ultimate truth, and the validator is actually more flexible and resistant to 
different mapping techniques as long as the mapped things allow to obtain consistent 
and unambiguous transport data snapshot. Anyways, the recommendations along with the 
tool have a conclusive strong side: they proved their effectiveness for production 
purposes at world-wide scale.

5) "For Belgium, I am missing the Charleroi lightrail …»

The google doc is open for commenting and it is permanently improving! Please 
leave your suggestions to rapid transit network list in comments to appropriate 
cells, or to free cells underneath if a new network is suggested.

6) "Should an "Entrance" be used at aboveground stations?»

Surely, entrances increase map accuracy and help navigation. Subway infrastructure 
may be fully or partially located on the ground (level=0) or even overground 
(level>0).

7) "I have not tested this but think that your preprocessor requires a
"station" node. However, I don't see this necessity in PT v_2.»

@Tijmen  The preprocessor requires «station» object in its broad sense: 
railway=station/halt, highway=bus_stop/tram_stop. All other elements 
(platforms, stop_positions, entrances) are optional, but not a station.


@Jason  I’ve raised Paris metro and Paris RER from ruins in two weeks. I 
estimate New York Subway to be in not much more worse state. Efforts of already 
involved mappers are not sufficient to quickly put all subways in order.

Best regards,
Alexey



29 мая 2019 г., в 22:44, Tijmen Stam  написал(а):

On 29-05-19 17:35, Alexey Zakharenkov via Talk-transit wrote:

Hello everybody!
I'm a part of team who worries about public transport status in OSM database, 
especially rapid transit transport. I want to represent a public transport 
validator+generator that somebody might find a useful facility. It's open 
source:
https://github.com/mapsme/subways
Given a list of transport networks it generates output suitable not only for 
rendering PT routes but also for routing. Meanwhile it finds errors like gaps 
in rail/road sequence in a route, absent/doubling station at a stop, etc. We 
run the validator daily and publish the results at
http://osm-subway.maps.me
The page shows that even large and important subway systems (like New York 
Subway) in OSM DB are currently corrupted and therefore unusable for practical 
purposes. Difficulties 

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Milo van der Linden]

Cool! It looks and interacts awesome.

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 18:43 Nick Whitelegg 
wrote:

> Thanks! Actually used Pannellum: https://pannellum.org/
>
>
> 
>
> Note that there is one little issue, which I thought I'd resolved, but has
> recurred today, and *might* be down to Pannellum: occasionally (and
> inconsistently, i.e. there isn't a sequence of actions which causes it to
> happen) if you click on a camera icon when in map mode it doesn't load the
> panorama. Most of the time it's fine though.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
> --
> *From:* Milo van der Linden 
> *Sent:* 31 May 2019 17:20:57
> *To:* Nick Whitelegg
> *Cc:* osm-talk
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application
> for hikers
>
> Nice! Did you create your own panoviewer or did you use
> https://www.marzipano.net/?
>
> Op vr 31 mei 2019 om 13:46 schreef Nick Whitelegg <
> nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing
> OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but
> focusing on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced
> panoramas.
>
>
> Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the
> appearance of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing
> APIs (GeoJSON Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did
> an initial presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.
>
>
> Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still
> incomplete, is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving
> contributions.
>
>
> It's available at
>
> https://www.opentrailview.org/
>
>
> You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by
> navigating in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some
> panoramas available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72).
> There's a Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the
> map icon).
>
>
> If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos.
> Obviously follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number
> plates) - panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not
> have any privacy violations amongst other things.
>
>
> The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data
> to auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.
>
>
> However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the world,
> at present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe* plus
> Turkey (I am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server currently
> only stores European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible offer of
> helping with hosting costs so expansion to the entire world could well
> happen soon.
>
>
> The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and
> a few selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone
> is aware of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without
> violating the usage policy, please let me know.
>
>
> In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors' and
> licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common
> practice.
>
>
> Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now in
> a state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.
>
>
> Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-lv] a2 rekonstrukcija

[Rihards]

On 31.05.19 18:46, Jānis Kaņeps wrote:
> 
> On 31.05.2019 18:33, Rihards wrote:
>> Kur tur tieši pāriet uz divām brauktuvēm, vai izmanto apgriešanās vietu
>> kaut kā?
> Ir jauna pagaidu brauktuve aptuveni šeit https://imgur.com/a/zpnOvGG ,
> precīzāk neatceros :)

Paldies, iezīmēju aptuveni, lai salabotu manis salauzto routingu.
Ja kādam sanāk tur doties garām drīzumā, GPX trace būtu super :)

>>   Rihards-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Nick Whitelegg]

Thanks! Actually used Pannellum: https://pannellum.org/




Note that there is one little issue, which I thought I'd resolved, but has 
recurred today, and *might* be down to Pannellum: occasionally (and 
inconsistently, i.e. there isn't a sequence of actions which causes it to 
happen) if you click on a camera icon when in map mode it doesn't load the 
panorama. Most of the time it's fine though.



Nick


From: Milo van der Linden 
Sent: 31 May 2019 17:20:57
To: Nick Whitelegg
Cc: osm-talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for 
hikers

Nice! Did you create your own panoviewer or did you use 
https://www.marzipano.net/?

Op vr 31 mei 2019 om 13:46 schreef Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>>:


Hi,


Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing 
OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but focusing 
on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced panoramas.


Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the appearance 
of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing APIs (GeoJSON 
Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did an initial 
presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.


Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still incomplete, 
is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving contributions.


It's available at

https://www.opentrailview.org/


You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by navigating 
in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some panoramas 
available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72). There's a 
Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the map icon).


If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos. Obviously 
follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number plates) - 
panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not have any 
privacy violations amongst other things.


The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data to 
auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.


However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the world, at 
present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe* plus Turkey (I 
am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server currently only stores 
European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible offer of helping with hosting 
costs so expansion to the entire world could well happen soon.


The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and a few 
selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone is aware 
of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without violating the 
usage policy, please let me know.


In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors' and 
licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common practice.


Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now in a 
state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.


Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/


Thanks,

Nick





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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Milo van der Linden]

Nice! Did you create your own panoviewer or did you use
https://www.marzipano.net/?

Op vr 31 mei 2019 om 13:46 schreef Nick Whitelegg <
nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>:

>
> Hi,
>
>
> Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing
> OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but
> focusing on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced
> panoramas.
>
>
> Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the
> appearance of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing
> APIs (GeoJSON Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did
> an initial presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.
>
>
> Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still
> incomplete, is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving
> contributions.
>
>
> It's available at
>
> https://www.opentrailview.org/
>
>
> You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by
> navigating in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some
> panoramas available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72).
> There's a Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the
> map icon).
>
>
> If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos.
> Obviously follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number
> plates) - panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not
> have any privacy violations amongst other things.
>
>
> The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data
> to auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.
>
>
> However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the world,
> at present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe* plus
> Turkey (I am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server currently
> only stores European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible offer of
> helping with hosting costs so expansion to the entire world could well
> happen soon.
>
>
> The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and
> a few selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone
> is aware of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without
> violating the usage policy, please let me know.
>
>
> In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors' and
> licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common
> practice.
>
>
> Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now in
> a state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.
>
>
> Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[John Whelan]

You might just try osmand as well.  You can set the language to be 
displayed and if the item isn't tagged in Tamil it will display the 
English tag.


Using JOSM you can select assets with and without values.  So you can 
find those places with just an English name.  Create a second layer, 
download a one inch square with nothing in it then copy the places you 
need to add names to the second layer and save the file.


Now you have an xml file that you can play with certainly as far as 
seeing which places need extra name tags in.


Cheerio John

Andy Townsend wrote on 2019-05-31 10:44 AM:

On 31/05/2019 15:14, Shrinivasan T wrote:


We need a similar map in Tamil Language.


You probably don't need to translate anything.  What you see on one 
OSM-based map is only a tiny subset of the data in OSM.  Here, for 
example, is the information stored against one place in that area:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5359556781

You'll notice that the "name:ta" contains the placename that you want 
to display here.


What you probably want to do is to create a map using a similar map 
style to the standard one at openstreetmap.org  (or a different one, 
if you prefer) but displaying Tamil names on it. It's actually pretty 
simple to do this; as just one example 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html displays names in one 
of three languages depending on in what area the name actually is.  
See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/42069 for how 
I did this, but what you want to do (always display Tamil names in 
preference to the default ones) is actually much simpler.


Those instructions apply to maps created using the same technology as 
was used to generate the tiles you see at openstreetmap.org (see also 
https://switch2osm.org/manually-building-a-tile-server-18-04-lts/ ). 
Other options are available, but in each case they'll be able to make 
use of the extra fields in the OSM data that you won't see by default 
at openstreetmap.org.


Best Regards,

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Re: [Talk-lv] a2 rekonstrukcija

[Jānis Kaņeps]

On 31.05.2019 18:33, Rihards wrote:

Kur tur tieši pāriet uz divām brauktuvēm, vai izmanto apgriešanās vietu
kaut kā?
Ir jauna pagaidu brauktuve aptuveni šeit https://imgur.com/a/zpnOvGG , 
precīzāk neatceros :)



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Re: [Talk-lv] a2 rekonstrukcija

[Rihards]

On 31.05.19 14:27, Jānis Kaņeps wrote:
> No Straujupītes DUS/Subway/Kļavu ciemata netiek ārā uz A2, ja nemaldos,
> bija pagaidu ceļš taisni uz braucamo pusi.

Paldies, biju palaidis garām. Ļoti noderēja Mapillary bildes, par
pagrieziena ierobežojumu varēja ielikt.

> No Sēnītes apļa Siguldas virzienā, kādu gabalu (apmēram līdz motorasei) 
> satiksme ir organizēta pa vienu brauktuvi.

Vai, tur es vispār visu biju salauzis. Salaboju apļa tuvumā, kur man
bija GPX un Mapillary bildes.
Kur tur tieši pāriet uz divām brauktuvēm, vai izmanto apgriešanās vietu
kaut kā?

> On 31.05.2019 12:54, Rihards wrote:
>> A2 rekonstrukcijas laikā satiksme novirzīta pa vienu brauktuvi, un ir
>> citas satiksmes izmaiņas. Tā kā darbus plānots pabeigt tikai nākamgad,
>> ieliku būvdarbu statusu kartē :
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/57.0894/24.5465=N .
>>
>> Būtu jauki, ja kādam būtu iespēja pārbaudīt, vai nav kādas īpaši lielas
>> kļūdas. Ceļu savienojumus pie Vangažiem minēju, un dažu māju piekļuve
>> (piemēramm, Kārklēni) nav skaidra.
>>
>> Kaut kādā brīdī laikam satiksmi pārliks uz otru brauktuvi, bet to
>> sazīmēs vēlāk.-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Andy Townsend]

On 31/05/2019 15:14, Shrinivasan T wrote:


We need a similar map in Tamil Language.


You probably don't need to translate anything.  What you see on one 
OSM-based map is only a tiny subset of the data in OSM.  Here, for 
example, is the information stored against one place in that area:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5359556781

You'll notice that the "name:ta" contains the placename that you want to 
display here.


What you probably want to do is to create a map using a similar map 
style to the standard one at openstreetmap.org  (or a different one, if 
you prefer) but displaying Tamil names on it. It's actually pretty 
simple to do this; as just one example 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html displays names in one of 
three languages depending on in what area the name actually is.  See 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/42069 for how I did 
this, but what you want to do (always display Tamil names in preference 
to the default ones) is actually much simpler.


Those instructions apply to maps created using the same technology as 
was used to generate the tiles you see at openstreetmap.org (see also 
https://switch2osm.org/manually-building-a-tile-server-18-04-lts/ ).  
Other options are available, but in each case they'll be able to make 
use of the extra fields in the OSM data that you won't see by default at 
openstreetmap.org.


Best Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Shrinivasan T]

Hi Simon,

> Before getting in to any of the details my first question would be: why are 
> you "translating" to Tamil, shouldn't the objects in question already have a 
> name (as in a name used by the local population in Tamil) that can simply be 
> used in OSM? Or is this more a question of using the relevant script?

See the image here
https://goinggnu.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/tamil-map-osm.jpg

We need a similar map in Tamil Language.
Currently, we have tamil strings only for the cities and well known areas.

We need all the street names and other POI in Tamil, when zoomed well.

For this, we have to translate all the strings in our state, to Tamil Language.



> The other fundamental thing that needs to be clarified  is what does the 
> local community want to do with the name Tag, iirc there seems to be some 
> consensus to use  Latin script and English names in India in general, would 
> you want to replace them with the Tamil name and move the current named to 
> name:en or perhaps int_name?

The name tag is filled with english by default.

We need to fill the filed name:ta  with the Tamil Translated strings.

Thats why proposing a system for
querying OSM,
get strings in a google sheet,
translate manually ( or using machine translation with manual
verification, fixing errors)
upload translated strings back to OSM.

Need inputs on is this plan fine to go or any change is required.


Where  we have to get any permission for mass import of translated strings?

Thanks.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] brand ou manufacturer, name et defrillator:location [était / Osmose Râle]

[marc marc]

Le 30.05.19 à 17:41, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :
> J'en profite pour parler de defibrillator:location.
> 
> En général on y met comment trouver ("au fond du couloir à droite" ou 
> ici "à gauche de l'entrée"). Certains ajoutent le nom d'un ERP. Je pense 
> que cette partie a plus sa place dans le nom (DAE + nom de l'ERP).
> 
> Qu'en pensez-vous ?

je connais aucun DAE qui a un nom, pour moi c'est incorrect.

si le lieu est renseigné avec une surface, cela se déduit facilement
à l'extraction (idem pour l'addr)

si ce n'est pas le cas (lieu mapé comme un noeud ou addr mapé comme
un noeud), bah, la base nationale se chargera de réencoder l'info
que ceux qui ne veulent pas comprendre le besoin ou mettre en doute
leur dogme ont renseigné de manière inutilisable pour la recherche 
coordonnée->addr fiable :(
dire que les api propriétaire font cela depuis des années :(

il y a bien sur la mauvaise solution de la dupliquer dans osm
pour rester dans le dogme
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Re: [Talk-it] Mercatone uno

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 31. May 2019, at 13:16, Francesco Ansanelli  wrote:
> 
> Se è mappato come edificio, mica si può cancellare.. continua ad esistere 
> senza name e senza shop.
> Se è un nodo, si potrebbe cancellare.


solo se non ci sono altri informazioni come indirizzo ecc.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] place de parking dan Paris [était: Peut-être enfoncé-je des portes ouvertes]

[marc marc]

Le 29.05.19 à 11:16, Lau a écrit :
> de mémoire ce qui a été coché comme fait n'est pas mémorisé dans la 
> todolist à la fermeture de JOSM

c'est exact.
je te sugère de rajouter entre les étapes 3 et 4 :
3 bis : télécharger les poi depuis overpass query pour la zone de travail
3 ter : utiliser le plugin conflate pour détecter toutes les places qui 
existent déjà dans osm, et purger celle là (=purger signifie les faire 
disparaitre de ton calque mais sans rien changer dans osm)

cela te permet pas la suite de ne garder que les places existant
en Opendata mais pas dans osm
conflate permet aussi de détecter l'inverse (place absente
de l'opendata et présente dans osm... p'tre supprimée)

autant cette méthode est intéressante pour l'ajout initial
autant pour la maintenance, je crois qu'osmose est + adapté
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Simon Poole]

Hi Shrini

Before getting in to any of the details my first question would be: why
are you "translating" to Tamil, shouldn't the objects in question
already have a name (as in a name used by the local population in Tamil)
that can simply be used in OSM? Or is this more a question of using the
relevant script?

The other fundamental thing that needs to be clarified  is what does the
local community want to do with the name Tag, iirc there seems to be
some consensus to use  Latin script and English names in India in
general, would you want to replace them with the Tamil name and move the
current named to name:en or perhaps int_name?

Simon

Am 31.05.2019 um 12:56 schrieb Shrinivasan T:
> Hello all,
>
> I am Shrini from Chennai, India.
>
> My language is Tamil.
> I want to get the tamilnadu state map in OSM in Tamil.
>
> For this, few professional translators agreed to help on this.
> They are new to OSM and they scare to edit live with online OSM ID editor.
>
> All they need is a list of strings that need to be translated in Tamil.
> They can translate and share.
> Then the new tamil translation should be imported to OSM.
>
> I explored on this for any available system.
> Cant find any.
>
> Hence explored further and wrote here on the plan.
>
>
>   How to translate the strings on OSM to Tamil?
>
>  1. We have to select a region in OSM
>  2. Query for the nodes/paths that dont have tamil translation
>  3. Get them in a google sheet
>  4. Translate the strings to Tamil using Google Translate
>  5. Translate the strings using wikidata (not implemented)
>  6. Verify the translations manually and fix any errors
>  7. Upload the translations to OSM.
>
> Read more on the code snippets.
>
> https://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2019/05/31/how-to-translate-openstreetmaps-to-other-languages/
>
> Is this fine to proceed with this plan?
>
> How to get permission from the community for mass import of tamil
> translations?
>
> Please share your thoughts on this.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-ja] 北海道の廃線マッピングの対応について

[tomoya muramoto]

いいださんがOSM-talkの関連議論をTwitterで紹介していたので、要約してみました。いろんな人の意見が入っているので、一貫した説明にはなっていません。

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2018-May/080662.html
* WikipediaはODbLと非互換なので使わない。
* WikidataはCC0なので使える。
* 事実情報は著作権で保護されない。WikipediaでもWikidataでも事実情報なら使える。
*
Googleマップの位置情報をWikipediaにコピーするのは推奨されている。それがWikidataにコピーされている。OSMにWikipedia/Wikidataの情報をいれるのは危ない。
*
たとえ元がGoogleマップのデータであっても、OSM編集時に参照しているデータがCC0であれば大丈夫。WikimediaがGoogleと使用を合意しているかもしれないし。
* 権利者から訴えられなければOSMに何を入れてもいいわけではない。米国ではCC0でもODbLと非互換なケースもある。
* OSMはデータソースには非常に注意深く対処してきた。
* ライセンスの問題とは別である。Wikipedia/WikidataがOSMにデータ使用を許可したとしても、データがシロであるとは限らない。
*
OSMは自分で調査したon-the-groundでverifiableなデータを使うべき。もしくは一次データの所有者から許可をもらったもの。とはいえ現実にはWikipedia/Wikidataからデータをコピーしたデータは多い。今後問題になるかも。
*
WikidataがCC0であることは、第三者が権利を有していないことを意味するのではない。Wikidataは権利を主張しないと宣言しているだけである。
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] brand ou manufacturer, name et defrillator:location [était / Osmose Râle]

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 31/05/2019 à 14:09, marc marc - marc_marc_...@hotmail.com a écrit :

Le 31.05.19 à 13:59, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :

Le Wiki indique  defibrillator=manual
Si c'est « manual » ce n'est pas un DAE ou alors je repasse mon PSC1 ?
le tag osm parle de defrillateur pas de dae
peut-être y-a-t-il dans certains pays des defrillateur non automatique
mis à disposition hors des infrastructures de santé.
je n'en connais pas, mais je suis loin de connaître le monde :)


Le wiki dit qu'il s'agit de défibrillateurs, DAE en général mais qu'on
peut mettre manuel le cas échéant.

Et le cas échoit toujours selon le wiki dans des structures
hospitalières où il faut croire que le personnel sait mieux choquer que
le système automatique. Ou peut-être que les défibrillateurs existent
alors que des DAE étaient encore rares.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] brand ou manufacturer, name et defrillator:location [était / Osmose Râle]

[marc marc]

Le 31.05.19 à 13:59, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :
> Le Wiki indique  defibrillator=manual
> Si c'est « manual » ce n'est pas un DAE ou alors je repasse mon PSC1 ?

le tag osm parle de defrillateur pas de dae
peut-être y-a-t-il dans certains pays des defrillateur non automatique
mis à disposition hors des infrastructures de santé.
je n'en connais pas, mais je suis loin de connaître le monde :)
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Re: [Talk-it] Mercatone uno

[Riccardo Usardi]

Ciao,

Al momento li lascerei come sono. Probabilmente (O meglio spero) ci saranno
trattative per far acquisire il gruppo in liquidazione.
Al massimo i tag proposti prima che son piùfacili da cancellare anziché
rifare i nodi, con la possibilità che qualcuno venga perso.


Usbe

Il ven 31 mag 2019, 13:17 Francesco Ansanelli  ha
scritto:

> Buongiorno Gabriele,
> Bella domanda!
> Sicuramente non c'è una risposta che si applica ad ogni caso...
> Se è mappato come edificio, mica si può cancellare.. continua ad esistere
> senza name e senza shop.
> Se è un nodo, si potrebbe cancellare.. con l'inconveniente che qualcuno
> possa aggiungerlo nuovamente.
> Esiste un tag per indicare lo stato di abbandono (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:) o come in questo caso
> dismissione (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:).
> Nella mia zona non ci sono molti mappatori, e spesso mi sono limitato a
> cancellare i nodi perché non so quanti software che estrapolano dati da OSM
> contemplino questi tag.
> Spero di esserti stato d'aiuto,
> Buon mapping
> Francesco
>
> Il ven 31 mag 2019, 09:08 Gabriele via Talk-it 
> ha scritto:
>
>> Vista la recente chiusura di tutti i punti vendita Mercatone Uno in
>> seguito al fallimento, volevo sapere come ci si comporta in questi casi: si
>> rimuovono tutti i punti vendita? Si settano come chiusi (c'e' modo di
>> farlo?)? Bisogna aprire una qualche pagina sulla wiki prima di procedere?
>>
>> Grazie
>>
>> Gabriele
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] brand ou manufacturer, name et defrillator:location [était / Osmose Râle]

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 30/05/2019 à 17:41, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :

A priori c'est bien brand

et manufacturer PYRESCOM.

Si tu connais tu peux aussi ajouter model=




http://www.pyres.com/a-propos



Autant ajouter opening_hours=24/7 s'il n'est pas derrière une clôture.

Et sans doute support=wall_mounted.

phone= s'il y a un numéro d'affiché sur le dispositif.

J'en profite pour parler de defibrillator:location.


J'ai fini par voir qu'il y avait un « preset » dans JOSM pour les DAE.

Je ne suis pas certain qu'il propose la totalité des suggestions ci-dessus.

Le Wiki indique  defibrillator=manual

Si c'est « manual » ce n'est pas un DAE ou alors je repasse mon PSC1 ?

J.

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Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Genealogie - [war: Neuvorstellung und Frage zu historischen Ortsnamen]

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 31. May 2019, at 12:00, Burkhard Burau  wrote:
> 
> Hier liesse sich z. B. für den westpreußischen Ort "Meisterswalde", Kreis 
> Danziger Höhe, Freie Stadt Danzig (ab 1920), heute: Mierzeszyn folgendes 
> eintragen - bitte korrigieren, falls falsch bezeichnet :-/:
> 
> old_name:de:<1920=Meisterswalde
> old_name:de:1920-1939=Meisterswalde
> old_name:de:1939=Meisterswalde


wenn es keinen neueren deutschen Namen dafür gibt, und der Ort (unter 
Deutschen) unter diesem Namen bekannt ist, würde ich nur
name:de=Meisterswalde 
eintragen, keine Jahreszahlen.

Rein semantisch betrachtet könnte man auch
old_name=Meisterswalde eintragen, das würde ich aber sicherlich nicht machen, 
weil es ggf. als Revanchismus interpretiert werden könnte.

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[OSM-talk] OpenTrailView 360 - StreetView-like application for hikers

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hi,


Some of you are probably aware that way back in 2010 I started developing 
OpenTrailView , which aims to be a StreetView-like web application but focusing 
on off-road routes such as hiking trails, with crowd-sourced panoramas.


Recently, due to the increasing availability of 360 cameras and the appearance 
of mature panorama APIs (e.g. Pannellum) and client-side routing APIs (GeoJSON 
Path Finder) I have restarted work on OpenTrailView and did an initial 
presentation at FOSDEM 2019 back in February.


Since then I have done further work and OpenTrailView, while still incomplete, 
is in a state where I believe it's ready to start receiving contributions.


It's available at

https://www.opentrailview.org/


You can get an idea of how it allows you to 'walk' along OSM ways by navigating 
in the default area (Southampton Common). There are also some panoramas 
available close to Fernhurst, West Sussex (lat 51.05, lon -0.72). There's a 
Nominatim search available if you switch to 'map' mode (see the map icon).


If you signup and then login, you can contribute your own 360 panos. Obviously 
follow the usual privacy considerations (no faces, no car number plates) - 
panos will be moderated before they go live to ensure they do not have any 
privacy violations amongst other things.


The key thing about this version is that it will use underlying OSM data to 
auto-connect panoramas. This was not done on any previous version.


However, note that while the site will accept panos anywhere in the world, at 
present, the auto-connection facility will only work in *Europe* plus Turkey (I 
am using the Europe Geofabrik extract), as my server currently only stores 
European data. Nonetheless I have had a possible offer of helping with hosting 
costs so expansion to the entire world could well happen soon.


The maps provided are rather basic, showing only highways, coastlines and a few 
selected POIs, this is due to server capacity constraints. If anyone is aware 
of a tile server I can use legitimately as a replacement, without violating the 
usage policy, please let me know.


In similar style to OSM, panos will be copyright 'OTV360 contributors' and 
licensed under CC-by-SA. IANAL but this seems to be the most common practice.


Do remember once again that this is an unfinished product but it is now in a 
state where I believe it is of interest to contributors.


Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/


Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-lv] a2 rekonstrukcija

[Jānis Kaņeps]

No Straujupītes DUS/Subway/Kļavu ciemata netiek ārā uz A2, ja nemaldos, 
bija pagaidu ceļš taisni uz braucamo pusi.
No Sēnītes apļa Siguldas virzienā, kādu gabalu (apmēram līdz motorasei)  
satiksme ir organizēta pa vienu brauktuvi.


On 31.05.2019 12:54, Rihards wrote:

A2 rekonstrukcijas laikā satiksme novirzīta pa vienu brauktuvi, un ir
citas satiksmes izmaiņas. Tā kā darbus plānots pabeigt tikai nākamgad,
ieliku būvdarbu statusu kartē :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/57.0894/24.5465=N .

Būtu jauki, ja kādam būtu iespēja pārbaudīt, vai nav kādas īpaši lielas
kļūdas. Ceļu savienojumus pie Vangažiem minēju, un dažu māju piekļuve
(piemēramm, Kārklēni) nav skaidra.

Kaut kādā brīdī laikam satiksmi pārliks uz otru brauktuvi, bet to
sazīmēs vēlāk.


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Re: [Talk-it] Mercatone uno

[Francesco Ansanelli]

Buongiorno Gabriele,
Bella domanda!
Sicuramente non c'è una risposta che si applica ad ogni caso...
Se è mappato come edificio, mica si può cancellare.. continua ad esistere
senza name e senza shop.
Se è un nodo, si potrebbe cancellare.. con l'inconveniente che qualcuno
possa aggiungerlo nuovamente.
Esiste un tag per indicare lo stato di abbandono (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:abandoned:) o come in questo caso
dismissione (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:).
Nella mia zona non ci sono molti mappatori, e spesso mi sono limitato a
cancellare i nodi perché non so quanti software che estrapolano dati da OSM
contemplino questi tag.
Spero di esserti stato d'aiuto,
Buon mapping
Francesco

Il ven 31 mag 2019, 09:08 Gabriele via Talk-it 
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> Vista la recente chiusura di tutti i punti vendita Mercatone Uno in
> seguito al fallimento, volevo sapere come ci si comporta in questi casi: si
> rimuovono tutti i punti vendita? Si settano come chiusi (c'e' modo di
> farlo?)? Bisogna aprire una qualche pagina sulla wiki prima di procedere?
>
> Grazie
>
> Gabriele
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Re: [talk-cz] Otevřená data

[majkaz]

Jen by mě zajímalo, co za licenci používá třeba Děčín 
. Že není kompatibilní (resp. pro OSM nelze ty jejich 
ultra jednoduché podmínky dodržet), o tom vcelku nepochybuji.
 
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Bohužel hodně záleží na licenci. Ne všechna opendata jsou použitelná v OSM. 
Oblíbená licence CC by-něco 4.0 kompatibilní není :-(   Ideální je CC0 aka 
Public Domain.Marián-- Původní e-mail --
Od: marek 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech 
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Předmět: Re: [talk-cz] Otevřená data 
a tady ostatní města

http://www.otevrenadata.cz/otevrena-data/zdroje-dat/ 

 
Marek Polák
 
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>
Našel jsem otevřená data pro naše použití.
https://data.mmdecin.cz/mapova-data?fbclid=IwAR0nq4jdOqG4v6uWn2v89cyV0wwAmL8LI6hYmZCGb_LFOUz42yjjiNBQjhE
 

 
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[OSM-talk] How to Translate Strings in OSM to other languages

[Shrinivasan T]

Hello all,

I am Shrini from Chennai, India.

My language is Tamil.
I want to get the tamilnadu state map in OSM in Tamil.

For this, few professional translators agreed to help on this.
They are new to OSM and they scare to edit live with online OSM ID editor.

All they need is a list of strings that need to be translated in Tamil.
They can translate and share.
Then the new tamil translation should be imported to OSM.

I explored on this for any available system.
Cant find any.

Hence explored further and wrote here on the plan.

How to translate the strings on OSM to Tamil?

   1. We have to select a region in OSM
   2. Query for the nodes/paths that dont have tamil translation
   3. Get them in a google sheet
   4. Translate the strings to Tamil using Google Translate
   5. Translate the strings using wikidata (not implemented)
   6. Verify the translations manually and fix any errors
   7. Upload the translations to OSM.

Read more on the code snippets.

https://goinggnu.wordpress.com/2019/05/31/how-to-translate-openstreetmaps-to-other-languages/

Is this fine to proceed with this plan?

How to get permission from the community for mass import of tamil
translations?

Please share your thoughts on this.

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Re: [talk-cz] Otevřená data

[Marián Kyral]

Bohužel hodně záleží na licenci. Ne všechna opendata jsou použitelná v OSM.


Oblíbená licence CC by-něco 4.0 kompatibilní není :-(   Ideální je CC0 aka
Public Domain.





Marián



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"
a tady ostatní města

http://www.otevrenadata.cz/otevrena-data/zdroje-dat/
(http://www.otevrenadata.cz/otevrena-data/zdroje-dat/)

 

Marek Polák

 

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>

Našel jsem otevřená data pro naše použití.

https://data.mmdecin.cz/mapova-data?fbclid=IwAR0nq4jdOqG4v6uWn2v89cyV0wwAmL8
LI6hYmZCGb_LFOUz42yjjiNBQjhE
(https://data.mmdecin.cz/mapova-data?fbclid=IwAR0nq4jdOqG4v6uWn2v89cyV0wwAmL8LI6hYmZCGb_LFOUz42yjjiNBQjhE)

 

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Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: Genealogie - [war: Neuvorstellung und Frage zu historischen Ortsnamen]

[Burkhard Burau]

 
 
 
 
Hallo zusammen,

Danke Peter für den Hinweis auf die StAGN-Publikation von 2002.
Ich hatte mich dort nach Markus Hinweis auch getummelt, aber diesen 
interessanten Artikel übersehen.

Das Thema der historischen Ortsnamen hat mich auch weiter beschäftigt. So 
habe ich im guten alten Diercke-Atlas, allerdings in einer aktuellen 
Ausgabe von 2015, nachgeguckt und auch dort in den früheren deutschen 
Ostgebieten auch die deutschen Namen wiederentdeckt, der polnische Name 
wurde in Klammern gesetzt, wie z. B. bei Zoppot (Sopot), einer Kurstadt bei 
Danzig.

In der Karte von openstreetmap.de, wo die Karte in einem "deutschen" 
Kartenstil gerendert ist (korrigiert mich, wenn ich was falsches sage :-), 
gibt es für viele ehemals deutsche Siedlungsgebiete die Zweisprachigkeit, 
mit Eintragungen unter "name.de=...".
Dies ist mir in Siebenbürgen (Rumänien), im Sudetenland (den Randgebieten 
von Tschechien), in Schlesien (Südwestpolen) fast flächendeckend ins Auge 
gefallen, wie z. B. bei Sibiu/Hermannstadt, aber auch kleinen Dörfern.
Das ehemalige Westpreussen (Woiwodschaft Pomorze und Teile angrenzender 
Woiwodschaften in Polen) ist dazu im Gegensatz nur in kleinen Teilen 
zweisprachig.

Die Frage ist, setzt man hier Grenzen und wenn ja, wo? Wir sind ja gerade 
auf der Suche nach Regeln.

Nun hätte ich eine Frage. Warum sind im nördlichen Teil des ehemaligen 
Ostpreußen (Oblast Kaliningrad) überhaupt keine deutschen Namen unter 
https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html zu finden?

Hier steht der russische Name, erst in kyrillisch und darunter in 
lateinischer Schreibweise.
In der Datenbank ist folgendes eingetragen: "name:de=Kaliningrad".
Ich habe hier mal experimentiert und bei "name:de=Kaliningrad/Königsberg" 
eingetragen, was sicherlich auch nicht richtig ist. Aber es bleibt bei der 
Anzeige der kyrillischen und lateinischen Schreibweise des russischen 
Namens Königsberg.

Hier ist sicherlich, die "Rendering-Programmierung" :-) so, dass garnicht 
die Ortsbezeichnung von "name:de..." für die Karte verwandt wird.
Ich finde bei Königsberg, muss man über einen Zusatz des deutschen 
Ortsnamens nicht streiten, oder?

Zu guter Letzt hätte ich noch einen Hinweis auf ein Historisches 
Ortsnamenverzeichnis (lizenzfreie Datenbank) mit historischen deutschen 
Ortsnamen des Bundesamtes für Kartografie und Geodesie:

http://www.geodatenzentrum.de/geodaten/gdz_rahmen.gdz_div?gdz_spr=deu_akt_zeile=3_anz_zeile=5_unt_zeile=0_user_id=0

Eine kleine Einführung dazu in der folgenden Dokumentation:
http://www.geodatenzentrum.de/docpdf/HistoNamen_deu.pdf.

Könnte diese Datenbank für einen "Import" in die deutsche OSM-Karte benutzt 
werden?

Hier liesse sich z. B. für den westpreußischen Ort "Meisterswalde", Kreis 
Danziger Höhe, Freie Stadt Danzig (ab 1920), heute: Mierzeszyn folgendes 
eintragen - bitte korrigieren, falls falsch bezeichnet :-/:

old_name:de:<1920=Meisterswalde
old_name:de:1920-1939=Meisterswalde
old_name:de:1939=Meisterswalde

Ein spannendes, aber auch schwieriges Thema, wie ich finde.
 
Viele Grüße
 
Burkhard


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Betreff: [Talk-de] Fwd: Genealogie - [war: Neuvorstellung und Frage zu 
historischen Ortsnamen]
Datum: 2019-05-30T23:21:14+0200
Von: "peterosm" 
An: "talk-de@openstreetmap.org" 

Hallo Burkhard, hallo Markus,

zum Thema StAGN und zum Mappen deutschsprachiger Ortsnamen im heutigen
Polen.

Zuerst einmal vielen Dank an Markus für den interessanten Hinweis auf
den "Ständigen Ausschuss für Geographische Namen (StAGN)".

Dort sind in der Publikation

"Ausgewählte Exonyme der deutschen Sprache - Deutsche Namen und ihre
phonetische Umschriftung für geographische Objekte in Ländern oder
Gebieten ohne deutsche Amtssprache"
2. Ausgabe 2002
(http://www.stagn.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/StAGN_Publikationen/020809_Exoliste_hoch_RH_JS.pdf?__blob=publicationFile=3)


neben Hauptstädten auch viele andere Ortsnamen in ihrer empfohlenen
deutschen Fassung wiedergegeben.

Obwohl es sich in dem o.a. Dokument nur um eine Auswahl handelt, sind
dort allein über 60 polnische Orte mit ihren deutschen Namen benannt,
von "Auschwitz (Oświęcim)" über "Danzig (Gdańsk)" und "Schneekoppe
(Śnieżka)"  bis "Zoppot (Sopot)".

Aus meiner Sicht spricht daher nichts dagegen, diese auch heute noch
gültigen Exonyme (politisch korrekt) als "name:de=" zu taggen und nicht
als "old_name:de=" bzw. alte/ehemalige/nicht mehr gültige Namen.

Mit besten Grüßen

Peter

Am 29.05.2019 um 10:00 schrieb Markus:
> Hallo Burkhard
>
> . . .
> Was würde denn passieren, wenn ich bei einen heute polnischen Ort im OSM, 
z. B. mit "name:de=..." einen früheren deutschen Ortsnamen ergänzen würde.
> Das wäre irreführend.
> Heute haben diese Orte einen polnischen Namen.
> Wird leider oft noch falsch 

[Talk-lv] a2 rekonstrukcija

[Rihards]

A2 rekonstrukcijas laikā satiksme novirzīta pa vienu brauktuvi, un ir
citas satiksmes izmaiņas. Tā kā darbus plānots pabeigt tikai nākamgad,
ieliku būvdarbu statusu kartē :
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/57.0894/24.5465=N .

Būtu jauki, ja kādam būtu iespēja pārbaudīt, vai nav kādas īpaši lielas
kļūdas. Ceļu savienojumus pie Vangažiem minēju, un dažu māju piekļuve
(piemēramm, Kārklēni) nav skaidra.

Kaut kādā brīdī laikam satiksmi pārliks uz otru brauktuvi, bet to
sazīmēs vēlāk.
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Re: [talk-cz] Vyhledávání v předdefinovaných (nalezených) trasách

[Mikoláš Štrajt]

Stačí když si z dat odvodíš graf ve kterém budou jen cesty, které tě
zajímají.




Pak nad tím můžeš pustit jakýkoliv router a máš něco podobného a máš v
zásadě to co chceš (hledání bod-bod po cestách).




Otázka je, nakolik je to užitečné, protože (budu-li se držet tvého příkladu)
linka 666 z Čertovy Lhoty do Ostravy jezdí jen každý Pátek třináctého, tedy
pokud lze věřit kávové sedlině. :-D





Já osobně bych se při plánování delší cesty do divočejších částí světa držel
spíše papíru, tužky a mapy, vytváření SW je IMHO spíše ztráta času, protože
tvůj hlavní problém je spíše nedostatek kvalitních dat kterými bys svůj SW
nakrmil.





Jinak jízdní řády jsou docela jiná bestie, protože se mění v čase. Pokud se
chceš něco naučit o tom, doporučuji nastudovat https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/General_Transit_Feed_Specification. Sám jsem zkoušel dělat prohlížečku
jízdních řádů , ale skončilo to na tom, že jsem nedokázal implementovat
samotné hledání z bodu A do bodu B. Ne, že by to snad byl nějaký tajný
algoritmus - informace se o tom najít dají - https://medium.com/@assertis/so
-you-want-to-build-a-journey-planner-f99bfa8d069d - akorát je to dost pracné
na realizaci a nestálo mi to.




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Od: Navrat Džedaja 
Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 30. 5. 2019 18:24:24
Předmět: [talk-cz] Vyhledávání v předdefinovaných (nalezených) trasách
"
Dobrý den,



před nedávnem jsem se začal zajímat o OSM, kvůli plánování tripu po Africe.
Cílem bylo naplánovat trasu s využitím různých dopravních prostředků
(autobusy, chůze, vlaky atd.).

Nicméně jsem nenalezl nikde takto komplexní aplikaci, která by zohlednila v
plánování všechny dostupné možnosti a předevčírem jsem zjistil, že
vyhledávání tras vlaků je zatím nerozlousknutý oříšek :) Takže jsem sáhl k
exportům dat a selekci železnic a silnic v JOSM, které jsem následně
spojoval do mé plánované trasy.




Chtěl bych si vytvořit "aplikaci" podobnou jako je třeba Rome2rio (jsem to
ale naiva :D) avšak nechtěl bych vyhledávat trasy, řekněme, dynamicky, ale
jen na základě předdefinovaných možných tras, tzn. pomocí veřejné dopravy,
ať už MHD nebo dálkových spojů. V tomhle řešení bych nechtěl zohledňovat
rychlost, jízdní řád atd. Jen prostě říct uživateli, když vyhledává spoj
např. mezi Čertovou Lhotou a Prahou, že je možné se dostat ČSAD linkou 666
do Ostravy a od tama Pendolinem do Prahy.




Vím, že je to asi kravina, ale chtěl bych se tímto způsobem zase něco nového
naučit a jde mi hlavně o ty železniční trasy.




Lze v OSRM GraphHopperu nebo jakémkolvi jiném routeru tento způsob
vyhledávání nadefinovat?




Budu rád za každý tip na co se zaměřit, co si nastudovat atd.




Mnohokrát díky!




S pozdravem

Navrat Džedaja

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Re: [OSM-ja] Housenumber plates in Japan

[Satoshi IIDA]

Hello Tobias,

Nice approach!
Here is my 2 cents.

1. House number plate is used in "urban addressing" area. (住居表示住所)
In urban area, house owner have to put a plate on somewhere around
entrance. (defined by law, 住居表示に関する法律)
So we can survey those anyhow.

You can check the urban area data coverage here.
https://hfu.github.io/gsi-address-vt/
https://github.com/hfu/gsi-address-vt

The number plate is looks like as following.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BD%8F%E5%B1%85%E8%A1%A8%E7%A4%BA#/media/File:Plate_of_residence_address_indication_plate_(Japan).png

On the other hand, this is a plate for Block number.
Occasionally, it is on power pole to represent the block number and
neighborhood name.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BD%8F%E5%B1%85%E8%A1%A8%E7%A4%BA#/media/File:%E8%A1%97%E5%8C%BA%E8%A1%A8%E7%A4%BA%E6%9D%BF.jpg

2. How about countryside?
As mentioned in 1, house number plate is mandatory only in urban addressing
area.
Out of that, we have no clue to identify what the house number is defined
on the house.
In many cases, 地番 (Chiban, number from cadastra) address and numbers are
used to represent the house's address.

To identify that, we have to check cadastra (on 法務局, Legal Bureau of the
region) or get the information by conversation with resident :)
So it is pretty difficult to survey those data with survey.

Best Regards,



2019年5月29日(水) 21:36 Tobias Zwick :

> Dear fellow mappers in Japan
>
> I would like to adapt recording housenumbers in the Android app
> StreetComplete to the situation in Japan, if necessary.
>
> Can you help me?
>
> I would like to know how a housenumber plate in Japan looks like. Does it
> only show the house number, or more? Do you have some photos?
>
> See this GitHub issue here for more information:
> https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/issues/1407
>
> Cheers
> Tobias
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Re: [talk-cz] Otevřená data

[marek]

a tady ostatní města
http://www.otevrenadata.cz/otevrena-data/zdroje-dat/ 

 
Marek Polák
 
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Od: "marek" 
Komu: "OpenStreetMap Czech" 
Datum: 31.05.2019 10:37
Předmět: [talk-cz] Otevřená data


Našel jsem otevřená data pro naše použití.
https://data.mmdecin.cz/mapova-data?fbclid=IwAR0nq4jdOqG4v6uWn2v89cyV0wwAmL8LI6hYmZCGb_LFOUz42yjjiNBQjhE
 

 
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[talk-cz] Otevřená data

[marek]

Našel jsem otevřená data pro naše použití.
https://data.mmdecin.cz/mapova-data?fbclid=IwAR0nq4jdOqG4v6uWn2v89cyV0wwAmL8LI6hYmZCGb_LFOUz42yjjiNBQjhE
 

 
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[Talk-it] Mercatone uno

[Gabriele via Talk-it]

Vista la recente chiusura di tutti i punti vendita Mercatone Uno in seguito al 
fallimento, volevo sapere come ci si comporta in questi casi: si rimuovono 
tutti i punti vendita? Si settano come chiusi (c'e' modo di farlo?)? Bisogna 
aprire una qualche pagina sulla wiki prima di procedere?

Grazie

Gabriele

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[OSM-talk] Organised editing activity - updating assets of OMV group

[Vera Galla]

Dear OSM-community,

we would like to inform you about our planned organised editing activities in 
OSM. For that reason we have created the following Wiki page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Updating_assets_of_OMV_group

Please inform us if any prerequisites are missing to start editing (of course 
after a 2-weeks community talk time).

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] opentopomap ssl cert expiré (28/05/2019)

[Cyrille37 OSM]

Hello

Oui, le site web et l'imagerie sont à nouveau opérationnels. Merci à 
ceux qui ont opéré.



Le 30/05/2019 à 14:31, Vincent Privat a écrit :

A priori c'est revenu:
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/jenkins/job/JOSM-Imagery-Integration/lastCompletedBuild/jdk=JDK8/testReport/org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.preferences.imagery/ImageryPreferenceTestIT/testImageryEntryValidity_OpenTopoMap_/history/

Le mer. 29 mai 2019 à 08:36, Cyrille37 OSM 
mailto:cyrille%2btalk...@giquello.fr>> a 
écrit :


Hello

Le(s) certificat(s) ssl d'opentopomap sont expirés, site web et
imagerie
Josm.

Cyrille37.


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