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2009-08-12 Thread maning sambale
FYI -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ --

Re: [talk-ph] Aug 22-23: OSM Website and API unavailable. Power upgrades at host.

2009-08-12 Thread maning sambale
And what a time to celebrate a birthday: Aug 22 OpenStreetMap 5th Anniversary Birthday party No edits just celebrate. On 8/13/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: FYI -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most

[talk-ph] bulk editing address info in POIs

2009-08-12 Thread maning sambale
In my mapping area, I have already added a fairly accurate admin_level boundaries. I want to use it to update address info of POIs. I need advice in doing: 1. Extract POI nodes (shop, amenity) in a separate osm file. 2. Extract boundary areas in another OSM file. 3. Add addr:city, addr:village

[OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
I tried to search the list archives before posting but couldn't see anything about this. The problem is people noticing non-existant streets on other maps and wasting time to only find out that it doesn't exist, not that it wasn't mapped. These streets are usually used to prove copyright

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Emilie Laffray
Yes, there is a way. You simply need to go to the area. More seriously, I don't see the point of this question since all data that we are supposed to collect are based on facts that we collected. Seeing streets that don't exist should not be a problem in the first place. The problem arises when

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, there is a way. You simply need to go to the area. More seriously, I don't see the point of this question since all data that we are supposed to collect are based on facts that we collected. Seeing streets that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 12 Aug 2009, at 11:16, John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, there is a way. You simply need to go to the area. More seriously, I don't see the point of this question since all data that we are supposed to collect are based on facts

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Vincent MEURISSE
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 12:16:44 pm John Smith wrote: how to mark it in OSM so others will know it doesn't exist, not that it isn't mapped. I really don't think marking non-existent stuff in OSM is a good idea. I take place for nothing and what append if a road is build at the place you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Vincent MEURISSE wrote: If you really need such a tool, copy the software used by openstreetbug, put it on your server and then you can have annotations on the map. thanks Vincent that could well be a workable solution ___

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Vincent MEURISSE osm-le...@meurisse.org wrote: If you really need such a tool, copy the software used by openstreetbug, put it on your server and then you can have annotations on the map. That's less than I was hoping for, simply because it's hard enough to decide on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I understand your point. However, I am not sure that there is any way to detect if a road exists or not unless you are going there. You would need a list of existing roads We are going out there and using GPS' however if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com I don't think you fully understood me, we're not trying to work out from other maps what roads don't exist, we are trying to tell mappers that come after us that a road they see on a map doesn't exist and don't waste your time trying to map

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith wrote: The problem is people noticing non-existant streets on other maps and wasting time to only find out that it doesn't exist, not that it wasn't mapped. Probably *something* is there in reality. Buildings, walls, hedges, a park ...? Map these objects (which obviously aren't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Probably *something* is there in reality. Buildings, walls, hedges, a park ...? Map these objects (which obviously aren't copyrighted), so people know that someone has visited the area and mapped it in detail. If there is no

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Chris Hill chillly...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Write a Wiki page showing the progress of the area.  You can make comments there. It needs to be spatially recorded, there is literally 100s of non-existing roads within 50km of here, Australia is 7.7 mill sq km...

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread OJ W
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I tried to search the list archives before posting but couldn't see anything about this. The problem is people noticing non-existant streets on other maps and wasting time to only find out that it doesn't exist, not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: Draw a bounding box around it and mark it as all roads complete in OSM? What about drawing an area in the approx area that the road is supposed to be? If you put it across a larger area that complicates things when new roads are built

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, don't mark them as normal roads if they are in a degraded state. It's worst than that in a lot of cases, they were gazetted, but never built. From discussions on talk-au list today a lot of mapping companies refer to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: One such road went into someone's car port, I don't think we have barrier=car_port :) in this case it will not be a road but a highway=service in Europe and probably access=private (at least for the last few meters), don't know about the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, don't mark them as normal roads if they are in a degraded state. It's worst than that in a lot of cases, they were gazetted, but never built. there is also a tagging

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Actually this is not legal-talk anymore. I think the answer was: separate Layer if you run the servers on your own is OK, but please don't map nonexisting roads from other maps (and maybe with tag easter_egg=foomap) and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com That was one opinion there was other contradictory opinions given as well. We aren't copying from maps but trying to map an observation that will be very beneficial to others that come after us. It's just a question of how to do this in the most

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: I think I do now. As Vincent stated, I don't believe that OSM should contain non existent roads that are actually way to identify copyrighted data; that would be imported that said copyrighted data in OSM. We're not trying to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Probably *something* is there in reality. Buildings, walls, hedges, a park ...? Map these objects (which obviously aren't copyrighted), so people know that someone has visited the area

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: We're not trying to put copyrighted information in the database, we're recording an observation, no different then recording the name on a street sign, no, it's not the same. Because you're gonna write that there is nothing. Why there? Why don't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
The original point remains: this observation is based on easter eggs of copyrighted data. IANAL but it seems that it is very similar to the conclusions that were reached that data obtained from Google Maps is not valid. I'm not sure how I can make this clearer, but virtually no map online

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds as good as the Map_Features defined values (and even better than smoothness=very_horrible), so yes, I think this works.  Even a single node saying note=no road here or perhaps note=no turn here where the supposed

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: There is no consent on which way to go to express the strict use case. Does there need to be? Not that this implies that I agree or disagree but strictly from a technical point of view all you have to do is create/get an extract of a bounding

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread James Livingston
On 12/08/2009, at 3:51 PM, Nop wrote: There is no consent on which way to go to express the strict use case. I think the only two solutions are to either have this be country- specific (at which point routers/renderers have to start knowing these kinds of things), or we have highway=cycleway

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Going the other way and not having highway=footway imply any value for  bicycle would mean that people like me could tag something as a  footway and say that I don't know whether it's suitable for cycling on  by leaving the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: In the strict (German) use case, you need to distinguish between bicycle=allowed/suitable and bicycle=road sign. This is not about marking a default, this is about describing the real situation precise enough to make deductions

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 12 Aug 2009, at 07:02, John Smith wrote: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: There is no consent on which way to go to express the strict use case. Does there need to be? Not that this implies that I agree or disagree but strictly from a technical point of view all you

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Nop wrote: This is a rather lenient definition that is unsuitable to depict the German use case. That is exactly the reason for the confusion we are having. If something is tagged as a cycleway and I am planning to walk on foot, I need to know whether it is an unsigned

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Roy Wallace wrote: I have no idea what you would consider suitable for the common cyclist. Please, at least write the criteria down. Since it's the not signposted ways that are not evident and a common cyclist is not looking for mountain bike trails, I'll try: shout if you disagree. Absolute

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nop
John Smith schrieb: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: There is no consent on which way to go to express the strict use case. Does there need to be? YES!!! Not that this implies that I agree or disagree but strictly from a technical point of view all you have to do is

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nop
Hi! James Livingston schrieb: On 12/08/2009, at 3:51 PM, Nop wrote: There is no consent on which way to go to express the strict use case. I think the only two solutions are to either have this be country- specific (at which point routers/renderers have to start knowing these kinds of

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nop
Hi! Gustav Foseid schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de mailto:ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: In the strict (German) use case, you need to distinguish between bicycle=allowed/suitable and bicycle=road sign. This is not about marking a default, this is about

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Nop ekkehart at gmx.de writes: But the opposing argument works just the other way: If I look up designated in a dictionary it means marked with a sign and it is the only/most fitting tag for the purpose anyway, so in Germany bicycle=designated must mean foot=no, so it cannot be the same

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: Well basically your approach is a variant of the path+acess tags. You just leave cycleway alone and use it like path, expressing all the important information in access tags. This is a possible way to go if we can achieve consent on it,

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Someoneelse
Shaun McDonald wrote: ... Are you really trying to force cyclists on to major roads? As a pedestrian, I can see advantages with this... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Lambert Carsten
Hi Jochen, Could you please comment on this thread: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/039217.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/039259.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-August/039847.html since you created the 'T-junction'

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Simon
2009/8/12 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: Well basically your approach is a variant of the path+acess tags. You just leave cycleway alone and use it like path, expressing all the important information in access tags. This is a possible

Re: [OSM-talk] A process for rethinking map features

2009-08-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Tom Chance wrote: - Tags are proposed on the wiki, no change to current practice - If the proposal throws into question existing, accepted tags, defer the proposal to small working groups - These working groups study

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people

2009-08-12 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/8/11 PB p...@osgeo.org Hi, I'm PB from Cuba, and I would like to share an idea to extend the use of Walking-Papers. The intention is to reach all those people whom do not have an e-mail or Internet access, and in many cases not even a computer. We are proposing use the postal mail to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-12 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi! Lets use the mailing lists and the wiki. Thats much more inclusive for a diverse group like this. Especially for this issue where there are people from many countries in different time zones involved and where many will not speak English well enough to feel comfortable voicing their opinions

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Liz
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: No. You should use highway=cycleway;bicycle=no if you have a cycle path that you cannot walk on. Routing software already supports this. They don't support routing cyclists over the highway=path. Are you really trying to force cyclists on to

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi! I have amended the bridge and tunnel pages with the reason for those rules: Rendering breaks if you have different layers on junction nodes. But whats more important, in real life bridges don't start in the *middle* of junctions so there *is* a little bit of non-bridge roads between the

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 12 Aug 2009, at 10:51, Liz wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: No. You should use highway=cycleway;bicycle=no if you have a cycle path that you cannot walk on. Routing software already supports this. They don't support routing cyclists over the highway=path. Are you really

Re: [OSM-talk] A process for rethinking map features

2009-08-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: There was a discussion on this list about doctors vs. doctor and the conclusion was to use doctors, as this was more natural for native speakers. I don't regard this as purely chaotic ... Regards, ULFL doctors is a contraction of doctor's

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: Well basically your approach is a variant of the path+acess tags. You just leave cycleway alone and use it like path, expressing all the important information in access

Re: [OSM-talk] A process for rethinking map features

2009-08-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Ulf Lamping wrote: Liz schrieb: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Nop wrote: You cannot force anything but you can discourage putting presets for disputed tags in editors (if it is frowned upon as some sort of indirect vandalism and rolled back) and you can make an organised effort to bring a newly

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 11:59:36 Jochen Topf wrote: Hi! Thanks for your quick input. I have amended the bridge and tunnel pages with the reason for those rules: Rendering breaks if you have different layers on junction nodes. This is tagging for the renderer which I thought was generally

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg
This is a rather lenient definition that is unsuitable to depict the German use case. That is exactly the reason for the confusion we are having. If something is tagged as a cycleway and I am planning to walk on foot, I need to know whether it is an unsigned way assumed to be suitable for

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Tobias Knerr
DavidD wrote: Mapping is enough work as it is without having to frequently check proposals in the wiki. A proposal should be be announced on the mailing lists, so you don't need to check the wiki. That doesn't help people who don't read the mailing lists, but the lack of a central communcaition

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg
In my opinion, suitability is a whole new topic that should'nt be represented by *mode_of_transport*=yes/no, as it's highly subjective. yes/no should solely describe the legal status. Agreed. One can use the surface tag to do this together with SAC_scale etc (with which I'm not 100% familiar but

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nop
Hi! Nick Whitelegg schrieb: I have not got round to marking these up yet, but my intention (German users, please feel free to tell me otherwise!) would be to tag the waymarked paths as highway=path|track; foot=designated and the unwaymarked tracks as highway=track; foot=permissive

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread James Livingston
On 12/08/2009, at 8:14 PM, Pieren wrote: Note that in France, pedestrians are not allowed on cycleways. I don't see why we should add foot=no now in all cycleways in France. I read somewhere that some motorways in US gives access to bicycles. Does it mean that we have to add bicycle=no to all

[OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread Kate
At the last DC mapping party in Silver Spring, Maryland, I came across a giant acorn that should be marked on OSM, but not sure the best way to tag it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/3814667470/ Also, how we should tag attractions like the world's largest strawberry in Strawberry Point,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread Igor Brejc
Hi, I usually tag it as: tourism=attraction name=... description= Some other annotations ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation) can also be useful. Regards, Igor On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: At the last DC mapping party in

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Greg Troxel
John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com writes: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Going the other way and not having highway=footway imply any value for  bicycle would mean that people like me could tag something as a  footway and say that I don't know whether it's

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people

2009-08-12 Thread John McKerrell
On 12 Aug 2009, at 10:13, Emilie Laffray wrote: It is really an excellent idea. I was planning to organize a walking paper mail out in my home town in a few months to see how it could work out. I was planning in my case to contact the mayor office to see if I could coordinate with

Re: [OSM-talk] A process for rethinking map features

2009-08-12 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.ukwrote: The path proposal could have been successful long ago if applications were pushing it instead of refusing to use it (see CycleMap). It's on the todo list. It screws up the stylesheets in horrible ways due to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people

2009-08-12 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/8/12 John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net I printed out two copies each of six areas in Liverpool and left them in two cafés. On the other side of the paper I put some text briefly describing the project and asking that people either hand it in to one of the cafés or scan it in and email

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg
[waymarked paths in Schwarzwald, Germany] If you use designated for the waymarked ways without legal impact, then you need yet another tag (e.g. official) for the real cycleways with roadsigns and legal impact. Thanks! In that case I'll just use permissive. Are there any Germany-specific tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Greg Troxel wrote: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com writes: It's most likely going to have to be jurisdiction specific, not just country specific in some instances. Going the other way and dealing with footway for example, NSW Vic doesn't allow cyclists on footpaths, but ACT does.

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-12 Thread Nick Black
Ok, taken out the OSM-F list. Thanks for updating the wiki - I'm going to take a look over it tomorrow and make sure all the info the community needs is on there. From there I will propose a set of steps towards getting Local Chapters set up, along with any remaining questions. The community

Re: [OSM-talk] radioactivity

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Houle
John Smith wrote: The cost of a home made Geiger counter is about $100-200 in parts, and if you combine that with a gps logger you could log points combined with the rads, chances are you will end up with areas of the same values. Cheap radiation measurement tools suck. A homemade

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: except on paper. the road reserve may exist but it could be completely overgrown with trees, or be impassable with natural features - a cliff, a water feature you could map this as track and tracktype=grade5, or invent a tag for even more overgrown

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/12/2009 05:14 AM, Pieren wrote: see why we should add foot=no now in all cycleways in France. I read somewhere that some motorways in US gives access to bicycles. Does it mean that we have to add bicycle=no to all other motorways in the world ? No, that would make no sense because most

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people

2009-08-12 Thread John McKerrell
On 12 Aug 2009, at 14:02, Emilie Laffray wrote: Thank you for the PDF. I was thinking of something along those lines. It is nice to see that someone already has written some explanation on why it matters. I don't have time right now to start this project as I want as many streets as

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg
The highway=footway is IMHO an alias for the more complex highway=path foot=yes surface=paved etc. construction. I think aliases are perfectly legitimate constructs when dealing with very common situations, and furthermore, much easier for newbies to remember and deal with. Perhaps, but I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people

2009-08-12 Thread Jack Stringer
I had the idea of printing a map and taking it to a local Parish (Village) Meeting and see if I can drum up some interest there. In our village I would like to put in all the houses and postcodes because many of the delivery drivers get lost around here. Posting maps is a good idea for getting

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people

2009-08-12 Thread Ian Dees
In the US, the Post Office offers something called Business Reply Mail. You print out postcards of a certain size with special markings on them (in addition to your content). When someone drops them in the mail the post office charges the sender and ships the card back to you. I wonder if a few

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: in real life bridges don't start in the *middle* of junctions so there *is* a little bit of non-bridge roads between the junction and the bridge. +1 For canals in Dutch cities, I'd consider not tagging the roads special but giving the canals a

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: in real life bridges don't start in the *middle* of junctions so there *is* a little bit of non-bridge roads between the junction and the bridge. +1 That's a stange

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: as it is already suggested in the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath/Examples) (and btw: there is at least two tracks on the path-page as examples: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/0/07/Path-motorcarnohorseno.jpg

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: highway=footway (not suitable) bicycle=yes (but allowed) bicycle=dedicated (signed) A footway for cycling is not a valid combination to me. In Norway you are allowed to cycle on all footways, unless explicitly forbidden. -

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: highway=footway (not suitable) bicycle=yes (but allowed) bicycle=dedicated (signed) A footway for cycling is not a valid combination to me. why not? In Germany: sign footway + additional

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Ulf Möller
Shaun McDonald schrieb: They don't support routing cyclists over the highway=path. Are you really trying to force cyclists on to major roads? Huh? Which ones would that be? mkgmap and OpenRouteService certainly do. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Ulf Möller
Nick Whitelegg schrieb: I would apply a similar approach to paths too. I have no idea of exactly what the German law is on this, but when I was in the Schwarzwald last month, the paths/tracks in the forest were either waymarked by yellow/red/blue diamonds, or not waymarked at all (apart

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: At the last DC mapping party in Silver Spring, Maryland, I came across a giant acorn that should be marked on OSM, but not sure the best way to tag it: tourism=viewpoint ? Also, how we should tag attractions like the world's largest

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Lambert Carsten
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 20:36:54 Jochen Topf wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:18:03PM +0200, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: in real life bridges don't start in the *middle*

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread Liz
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Craig Wallace wrote: I would tag that as tourism=artwork http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dartwork Along with an appropriate name, description, artwork_type etc Now we can discuss artwork for the next two weeks :-)

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread Ulf Lamping
John Smith schrieb: --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: At the last DC mapping party in Silver Spring, Maryland, I came across a giant acorn that should be marked on OSM, but not sure the best way to tag it: tourism=viewpoint ? To qoute Map Features about viewpoint: A

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-12 Thread Liz
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: I don't know, how a giant acorn therefore qualifies as a viewpoint ;-) the one in the picture doesn't but these sorts of roadside kitsch are quite popular in australia, although some have been demolished, sadly the Big Pineapple had a viewing platform, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Nop
Hi! Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: highway=footway (not suitable) bicycle=dedicated (signed) A footway for cycling is not a valid combination to me. why not? In Germany: sign footway + additional sign: Fahrräder frei That's yes, not designated. bye Nop

[OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Lambert Carsten wrote: sense. Even though the smaller road ends at the edge of the larger road not the middle of the road. Inside the crossing area the roads overlap, neither ends there - you're on both roads. But you're not on the bridge that starts only several meters away - or inches away if

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete: dirt; grass

2009-08-12 Thread Craig Wallace
On 12/08/2009 01:41, Sam Vekemans wrote: This is where my national headache begins. (surface=smoothISH) If we simply have the default options to list 'gravel' 'dirt' 'concrete', because 'unpaved' is rather ill-defined. It just indicates 'paved_ash_fault=no', but doesn't go further.

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/13 Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de: Hi! Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: highway=footway (not suitable) bicycle=dedicated (signed) A footway for cycling is not a valid combination to me. why not? In Germany: sign footway + additional sign: Fahrräder frei That's yes, not designated. Your

[OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Körner
Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are not translated yet. To get an overview over the status and make translating those countries more easy, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/12 Lambert Carsten lhc@solcon.nl: There *is* nothing. It is all an abstraction and *this* abstraction is not helpfull or get us anywhere. As I stated before a crossing between a big road and a (much) smaller road  does not either get little bits of road inserted in the smaller road

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Körner
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all languages that have their own wikipedia. The problem is, that a lot of countries are

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there will be localized maps in all

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Körner
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Hello OSM folks For the integration of osm into the wikipedia there

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Alex Mauer
On 08/12/2009 12:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: so the routers don't send the ambulances that way if it's shorter? That's meant to be interpreted as emergency=destination. As far as I know, emergency vehicles are pretty much allowed to go where they need to; this gets back to the idea of

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread Jonas Häggqvist
Peter Körner wrote: To get an overview over the status and make translating those countries more easy, I created a tool that can be found at http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/ Useful. Will the page invalidate translations if the base name is changed? --

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete: dirt; grass

2009-08-12 Thread Sam Vekemans
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 12/08/2009 01:41, Sam Vekemans wrote: This is where my national headache begins. (surface=smoothISH) If we simply have the default options to list 'gravel' 'dirt' 'concrete', because 'unpaved' is rather

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-12 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/13 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: To get an overview over the status and make translating those countries more easy, I created a tool that can be found at   http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/ I'd like to encourage everyone to spend some time making

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete; dirt; grass

2009-08-12 Thread Courtland Yockey
Thread: Sam Vekemans (12/08/2009) Craig Wallace (12/08/2009) Sam Vekemans (12/08/2009) Regarding excerpt: Yes, that is exactly what i am referring too. We ALSO need to have a special wiki page (that lists each of these things, and how they are rendered, and used. This will alleviate the

[OSM-talk-nl] Gebruikers (dev.)openstreetmap.nl

2009-08-12 Thread Stefan de Konink
Hoi, Zoals jullie wellicht gisteren hebben gezien is de productie server verplaatst van KVM naar VMware. Het kostte even wat tijd, maar het is over. In voorbereiding van het opschonen van de dev server is het wellicht handig om te weten wat er draait. (En wat wellicht beter naar een andere

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