[talk-ph] IdeaCamp Davao 2

2009-09-11 Thread maning sambale
Good luck to murlwe. http://www.ideacampdavao.com/2009/09/see-you-on-saturday.html -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/

[talk-ph] Monopoly City Streets online game uses OpenStreetMap data

2009-09-11 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi guys, Some of you might probably have heard of Monopoly City Streets [1] which is an online version of the Monopoly board game using real-world streets. They are using Google Maps tiles to show the board but OSM street data for the actual street data (because Google doesn't have them

Re: [OSM-talk-be] gebruik gegevens giswest databank ?

2009-09-11 Thread Kristoff Bonne
Hallo iedereen, Ik heb nog eens verder zitten rondkijken op de website van giswest, en daar vond ik o.a. het volgende: http://www.giswest.be/artman/publish/cat_index_93.html Auteurs van gebruikte kaarten: ... Teleatlas: stratennetwerk Zo te zien heeft de provincie niet zelf het stratenplan

Re: [OSM-talk-be] gebruik gegevens giswest databank ?

2009-09-11 Thread Kristoff Bonne
Ben , Ben Laenen schreef: Marc Coevoet wrote: Wel, ik heb tiffs van stafkaarten 1/1 van 1979 - 1985, gebruikt Betekent dat dat je al dingen van die stafkaarten gekopieerd hebt naar OSM? We weten nog helemaal niet of dat zomaar kan (i.e. of databankrecht hier

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Openstreetmap Foundation: the Belgian Chapter

2009-09-11 Thread Kristoff Bonne
Wannes, wannes schreef: In a VZW (ASBL) the founders are liable. So founding a VZW/ASBL wouldn't change too much if you' concering liability. Not true. A vzw is a legal entity in itself; so for actions organised by the vzw and following the formal structure of the vzw, it is the vzw which

Re: [OSM-talk-be] ingeven straten in stukken ???

2009-09-11 Thread Maarten Deen
Kristoff Bonne wrote: Hello, Eventjes een ander vraagje; Ik heb dit niet gevonden op de wiki, maar misschien heb ik niet goed gezocht. Kan iemand me eens uitleggen hoe dat men precies een straat die uit meerdere stukken bestaat moet ingeven op online kaart-editor? Indien een straat

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Openstreetmap Foundation: the Belgian Chapter

2009-09-11 Thread Luc Van den Troost
Hi all, I have just been reading all of the 'vzw' talk that has been going on. So after holidays now it't time for my reaction. First of all, I think the most important advantage of having an 'official form' is in the contacts. It makes it easyer to go to official instances, press, other

Re: [OSM-talk-be] gebruik gegevens giswest databank ?

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Kristoff Bonne wrote: Wel, ik zit daarmee eigenlijk met een vergelijkbare vraag. Ik heb gemerkt dat het soms heel interessant is om een GPX bestand eens in-te-lezen in google-earth en die bovenop de fotokaart te leggen. Ik heb gemerkt dat een track soms wel eens een aantal meters verkeerd

Re: [OSM-talk-be] gebruik gegevens giswest databank ?

2009-09-11 Thread Johan Van de Wauw
2009/9/11 Kristoff Bonne kristoff.bo...@skypro.be: Hallo iedereen, Ik heb nog eens verder zitten rondkijken op de website van giswest, en daar vond ik o.a. het volgende: http://www.giswest.be/artman/publish/cat_index_93.html Auteurs van gebruikte kaarten: ... Teleatlas: stratennetwerk

Re: [OSM-talk-be] gebruik gegevens giswest databank ?

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Kristoff Bonne wrote: Een vraagje: Ik heb deze week eens een babbeltje gehad met iemand van de gemeente bij ons om een lijst te krijgen van alle straten in de gemeente inclusief GPS-gegevens. Probeer misschien eens (deel)gemeentegrenzen te verkrijgen. Dat zijn gegevens die we niet zelf

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Peter Körner
shop=vacant; empty stores should be marked vacant, not removed from map. I usually use shop=[what it was before] disused=yes shop=supplements; specialty food and dietary supplements. shop=cash; non-bank cheque cashing or short term payday loans shop=beauty; personal beauty services,

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Roy Wallace
I personally think new shop values should come from tagwatch, not from proposals. I.e. to steer the crowd towards the tag already used by the majority where necessary. IMHO proposals can be useful for introducing new tagging schemes (for a way to tag vacant properties, maybe), but not for

Re: [OSM-talk] Routing over barrier nodes

2009-09-11 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:51:17 +0200, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/10 lulu-...@gmx.de: Currently the problem with routing is, that routing applications can not check for millions of nodes, but only for thousands of ways without performace problems. That results in the

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/9/11 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: I personally think new shop values should come from tagwatch, not from proposals. I.e. to steer the crowd towards the tag already used by the majority where necessary. IMHO proposals can be useful for introducing new tagging schemes (for a way to

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Chris Hill
Roy Wallace wrote: I personally think new shop values should come from tagwatch, not from proposals. I.e. to steer the crowd towards the tag already used by the majority where necessary. +1 IMHO proposals can be useful for introducing new tagging schemes (for a way to tag vacant

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Quinion
Thank you Brian for your tips, I edited address with suggestions you made. Can I ask you just to check if I made it ok now, because I will start adding street numbers so I would like to be sure I'm doing ti correctly:

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Liz
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Chris Hill wrote: The actual voting system is worthless. A handful of people (I used to be one) say yes or no, while many (most) of the experienced OSMers either ignore the process or just don't see the proposal or don't care. One of the problems here is that the rss

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

2009-09-11 Thread Ciarán Mooney
Hi, I noticed the blisteringly fast rendering the other day, it had started rendering before I'd even finished my editing session. Means I will need to hone my JOSM skills so that I'm not the slowest part of the system! Thanks Sys Admin Ninja's, we love you all. :) Ciarán

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

2009-09-11 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/9/11 Roman Neumüller r.neumul...@gmail.com: I don't know whether I have missed something, or else am just lucky, but mapnik is rendering the things I am editing super-fast. Two new and different renders of an area in about 30 minutes. Now the renderer is sucking up to the cartographers?

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Mann
Eagerness should be channelled, not suppressed. Richard On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com wrote: And I would be tempted to tag it highway=footway graffiti=yes I am beginning to think cycleway gets added by eager cyclists far more often than

[OSM-talk] map requirement for a large pubishing/media group

2009-09-11 Thread Joe Richards
I am helping a media company to add geo-location to its articles, and thought it might help speed the process of matching the requirements to a technology provider (or set of technologies) by presenting it to the OSM community. I'm hoping to stick to as many open technologies here as possible

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

2009-09-11 Thread Hillsman, Edward
I'd noticed the increased speed as well. Thank you to all involved in making it happen. Ed Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D. Senior Research Associate Center for Urban Transportation Research University of South Florida 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 Tampa, FL  33620-5375 813-974-2977 (tel) 813-974-5168

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

2009-09-11 Thread Mike N.
I'd noticed the increased speed as well. Thank you to all involved in making it happen. I noticed this also. That's a great help - Thanks! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

2009-09-11 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:24:55 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: Is there still some chance to get them merged? Please make clear if there is going to be used only cemetery tag or will there be two tags; cemetery and graveyard. Also please make this REALLY clear on the wiki. What is the difference

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
So I should remove: addr:city = Osijek addr:country = Croatia addr:postcode = 31000 addr:street = Starigradska from way and put it back on nodes? Imo, yes, you should put all those details onto the objects that carry addr:housenumber (either nodes or building outlines). That's the method

[OSM-legal-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Google has a really enlightened guy called the Data Liberation Front. His role is to make it easy for people to get their data out of Google - rather than it being locked in. Usually, people are locked in by the lack of an export feature, or an obscure file format. In mapping, people are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I wrote: * Please vote up this suggestion for Google's Data Liberation Front: *NOT* http://moderator.appspot.com/#8/e=43649 But when you do so (ahem), please use the correct link, because their permalinks, well, aren't. http://url.ie/2ero will work. Cheers! Richard -- View this

Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I wrote: * Please vote up this suggestion for Google's Data Liberation Front: *NOT* http://moderator.appspot.com/#8/e=43649 But when you do so (ahem), please use the correct link, because their permalinks, well, aren't. http://url.ie/2ero will work. Cheers! Richard -- View this

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map cemetery ?

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Valent Turkovic wrote: Please make clear if there is going to be used only cemetery tag or will there be two tags; cemetery and graveyard. I can't tell you what tags will be used in the future. I (and some others) would prefer to remove the distinction between the two tags and use the same tag

[OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi there, I'm wondering how to map different quarters of some city, town and villages. Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used also for mapping city's quarters. Only issue is that when you map quarter of some town or village currently the quarter has bigger

Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread John Smith
2009/9/11 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: * Please vote up this suggestion for Google's Data Liberation Front:   http://moderator.appspot.com/#8/e=43649 That link didn't work for me, hopefully this one works for others:

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

2009-09-11 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:07:01 -0400, Mike N. wrote: I noticed this also. That's a great help - Thanks! Thank you all, it is blindingly fast! -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Quinion
Imo, yes, you should put all those details onto the objects that carry addr:housenumber (either nodes or building outlines). That's the method intended by the documentation and I don't see a good reason for not sticking to it in this case. inconsistent duplication. I can't image having to

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:17:25 +0100, Emilie Laffray wrote: We discussed it some time ago on the French mailing list. We decided to use place=locality when it was not an administrative area of any kind. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Locality Wiki is not clear at all in this regard, why did

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Valent Turkovic wrote: Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used also for mapping city's quarters. Only issue is that when you map quarter of some town or village currently the quarter has bigger font than name of village or town. You should use the suburb

[OSM-talk] highway=steps ramp=yes mapping stairs.

2009-09-11 Thread Erik Johansson
I added ramp=yes|no to highway=steps, for steps where strollers and bikes can pass. It's not that well used so I thought I would ask is this is stupid. I've never had any terminology for a pram ramp before, so I might have used the wrong one. See. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ramp

Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:57:43 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: http://url.ie/2ero voted -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Vlatko Kosturjak
Jonathan Bennett wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used also for mapping city's quarters. Only issue is that when you map quarter of some town or village currently the quarter has bigger font than name of village or town.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Emilie Laffray wrote: 2009/9/11 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com Hi there, I'm wondering how to map different quarters of some city, town and villages. Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used also for mapping city's quarters. Only issue

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=steps ramp=yes mapping stairs.

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Erik Johansson wrote: I added ramp=yes|no to highway=steps, for steps where strollers and bikes can pass. [...] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ramp http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsteps As you don't mention the Steps_features proposal, did you miss it? See:

Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I wrote: http://url.ie/2ero After just an hour and a half, we're already the second most popular suggestion, with 97 votes for and none against. If we can keep it up we'll be at the top before long - so keep spreading the message! cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Alex Mauer
On 09/11/2009 10:06 AM, Vlatko Kosturjak wrote: Jonathan Bennett wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used also for mapping city's quarters. Only issue is that when you map quarter of some town or village currently the quarter

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=steps ramp=yes mapping stairs.

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Shaun McDonald wrote: I have used bicycle=yes where there is a guide rail to help people take their bike up and over the steps/bridge. It's a matter of definition, I guess. My opinion is that the OSM vehicle class bicycle doesn't include pushed/carried bicycles, so it is not appropriate for

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Alex Mauer
On 09/11/2009 10:54 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: Why? How does the renderer know whether its a large suburb that's within a city, or a small suburb that's part of a town or village (or part of a larger suburb). As you would want these to be shown at different zoom levels, with different font

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Sounds to me like a renderer problem, not a case for a new tag. -Alex Mauer “hawke” Why? How does the renderer know whether its a large suburb that's within a city, or a small suburb that's part of a town or village

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=steps ramp=yes mapping stairs.

2009-09-11 Thread Shaun McDonald
I'm taking about this kind of ramp where you need to dismount. There is probably a better name for it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/68493...@n00/3645676469 It is a bit like the one near Catford/Ladywell on the ncn 21 that has a ramp that you can cycle over the bridge. I need to get a photo

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=steps ramp=yes mapping stairs.

2009-09-11 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 11 Sep 2009, at 17:10, Tobias Knerr wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: I have used bicycle=yes where there is a guide rail to help people take their bike up and over the steps/bridge. It's a matter of definition, I guess. My opinion is that the OSM vehicle class bicycle doesn't include

Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*

2009-09-11 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: I wrote: http://url.ie/2ero After just an hour and a half, we're already the second most popular suggestion, with 97 votes for and none against. If we can keep it up we'll be at the top before long - so keep

[OSM-talk] Which OSMF Member Do I Talk To...

2009-09-11 Thread Ian Dees
Since the Foundation's website seems to be down [0] and the Foundation's wiki page isn't very clear [1], I am wondering if someone on the list could answer a quick question for me: As the admin for the Google Summer of Code project for OpenStreetMap, I need to get an invoice from the non-profit

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 09/11/2009 11:25 AM, Pieren wrote: No, it's not a renderer problem, it is just different things. I'm not a native english speaker but if

Re: [OSM-talk] Which OSMF Member Do I Talk To...

2009-09-11 Thread Tom Hughes
On 11/09/09 19:00, Ian Dees wrote: Since the Foundation's website seems to be down [0] and the Foundation's wiki page isn't very clear [1], I am wondering if someone on the list could answer a quick question for me: It should be back now - there was a problem with it but Grant is on site and

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik rendering

2009-09-11 Thread Jon Burgess
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 07:48 +0300, Roman Neumüller wrote: I don't know whether I have missed something, or else am just lucky, but mapnik is rendering the things I am editing super-fast. Two new and different renders of an area in about 30 minutes. Now the renderer is sucking up to the

[OSM-talk] upload from cvs

2009-09-11 Thread Peppo Herney
Hello, from the swiss alpin club i got a csv file with all the alpin huts. It looks like this name;url;ele;lon;lat;tourism;operator Aarbiwak SAC;http://www.sac-pilatus.ch;2731;8.152199642;46.55547325;alpine_hut;SAC Capanna Adula

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - ( tag:landuse=garages )

2009-09-11 Thread ??????
Hi All, The proposal for new feature landuse=garages is ready for discussion. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:landuse%3Dgarages Comments are welcomed! //Zkir ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: What harm could come from defining them? Oh, I have nothing against proposing new shop values. I just think that method might not result in the best outcome. The way I see it, tagwatch is the ultimate vote counter for

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: So its not that I'm disinterested in the wiki, I haven't got time to follow every part through an undifferentiated feed and so just ignore wiki votes. The calls for voting sent via the list work for me...

[OSM-talk] Samoa driving direction change

2009-09-11 Thread Hugh Barnes
(Sorry for the cross-post) This is for interest and it might affect anyone who'll do mapping in Samoa. A few days ago they changed the side of the road they drive on (to the sensible side)!: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/08/2679412.htm I can't see much mapping there, and just

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Emilie Laffray
Valent Turkovic wrote: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but quarter is a part of the city, I found one definition: Quarter: A specific district or section, as of a city: the French Quarter. Definition of suburb: 1. A usually residential area or community outlying a city. 2. suburbs The

Re: [OSM-talk] Address interpolation

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
Brian Quinion wrote: Imo, yes, you should put all those details onto the objects that carry addr:housenumber (either nodes or building outlines). That's the method intended by the documentation and I don't see a good reason for not sticking to it in this case. inconsistent duplication. I'd

[OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: GSM cell ID's; open initiatieven]

2009-09-11 Thread Milo van der Linden
Originele bericht Onderwerp: GSM cell ID's; open initiatieven Datum: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:46:37 +0200 Van:Milo van der Linden milovanderlin...@gmail.com Aan:OpenStreetMap NL discussion list talk-nl@openstreetmap.org (Gepikt van de FOSS-GPS mailinglist) cell

[OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers, meer dan slechts een paar

2009-09-11 Thread Rejo Zenger
Hi, Roeland schreef al: | Huisnummers, Floris wil dit een slinger gaan geven in Amsterdam (in de | hoop dat de rest van Nederland volgt). Dit is iets waar we in Nederland | nog veel aan kunnen doen. Er zal hier nog een balletje over worden | opgegooid aangezien er misschien nog iets te

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers, meer dan slechts een paar

2009-09-11 Thread Maarten Deen
Rejo Zenger wrote: Hi, Roeland schreef al: | Huisnummers, Floris wil dit een slinger gaan geven in Amsterdam (in de | hoop dat de rest van Nederland volgt). Dit is iets waar we in Nederland | nog veel aan kunnen doen. Er zal hier nog een balletje over worden | opgegooid aangezien er

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers, meer dan slechts een paar

2009-09-11 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Jup, niet compleet maar meestal wel aanwezig. Zie onder andere deze talk-nl thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-nl@openstreetmap.org/msg05275.html Het opzoek ding van Freek werkt nog steeds. Groet, Floris Maarten Deen wrote: Rejo Zenger wrote: Hi, Roeland schreef al: |

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Amsterdam] Mappersberaad 10-09-09 - Samenvatting

2009-09-11 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Rejo Zenger wrote: ++ 10/09/09 23:22 +0200 - Roeland Douma: * Wikipagina, de Amsterdamse wiki pagina moet grondig worden op geschoond en actiever worden onderhouden. Lijstjes met wie waar mee bezig is/bounding box van de active gebieden. Projecten etc. Daar ben ik net aan begonnen. Zie: -

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Amsterdam] Mappersberaad 10-09-09 - Samenvatting

2009-09-11 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:42:24 +0200 (CEST) you wrote: Ik vind eigenlijk dat de groene balk moet blijven staan. Deze pagina wordt niet alleen door ons gebruikt maar ook door andere mappers met een interesse in Amsterdam. Kan die balk geen footer worden?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Amsterdam] Mappersberaad 10-09-09 - Samenvatting

2009-09-11 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 11/09/09 11:42 +0200 - Floris Looijesteijn: - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amsterdam [...] Kan op de eerste pagina die groene balk aan de rechterkant weg? Of is iemand daar erg aan gehecht? Ik doe nooit wat met die links in die balk, maar de balk neemt wel een prominente plek in het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: GSM cell ID's; open initiatieven]

2009-09-11 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Milo van der Linden schreef: (Gepikt van de FOSS-GPS mailinglist) cell base stations: openbmap.org opencellid.org ch.omoco.de/cellhunter Alle telefoonmasten van NL zitten al in OSM. Echter het CellID zouden we op een vrij ingenieuze manier

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers, meer dan slechts een paar

2009-09-11 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
ik ben ook al het een en ander tegengekomen vandaag in de jordaan: * hoekhuizen waarvan je niet weet bij welke straat ze horen. * lange straat met in het midden 1 deur voor alle huizen, met ook nog eens meerdere huisnummers. * inderdaad missende nummers bij winkels. * opeens missende nummers

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] huisnummers, meer dan slechts een paar

2009-09-11 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
ik ben ook al het een en ander tegengekomen vandaag in de jordaan: * hoekhuizen waarvan je niet weet bij welke straat ze horen. * lange straat met in het midden 1 deur voor alle huizen, met ook nog eens meerdere huisnummers. * inderdaad missende nummers bij winkels. * opeens missende nummers

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-11 Thread Liz
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ashley Kyd a...@kyd.com.au wrote: (Also, I'm not going to stick around and work out where the attack perimeter is. You can do that. They're nasty creatures. ;) Don't forget it should be verifiable, too :)

Re: [talk-au] Gold Coast railway line from Robina to Varsite Lakes

2009-09-11 Thread Ashley Kyd
I've done some stealthy data gathering and concluded the following: It looks like the railway's mostly following the highway down, and there's a 300 metre long tunnel under Easthill Drive (which isn't in OpenStreetMap, but is close to Robina Station.) All other roads have bridges over the rail.

Re: [talk-au] Gold Coast railway line from Robina to Varsite Lakes

2009-09-11 Thread John Smith
2009/9/11 Ashley Kyd a...@kyd.com.au: I've done some stealthy data gathering and concluded the following: It looks like the railway's mostly following the highway down, and there's a 300 metre long tunnel under Easthill Drive (which isn't in OpenStreetMap, but is close to Robina Station.) All

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-11 Thread Andrew Laughton
Maybe because they are not nesting at the moment. 2009/9/11 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/9/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net: magpies are very intelligent creatures they can tell the time (they know when the postie is coming) and they can tell a young male human from less aggressive

Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details

2009-09-11 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:19:22 +1000 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:15 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Unless waste_basket=yes is an approved tag the likelihood of it being searched by anyone not using the tag is almost nil So the

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-11 Thread Hugh Barnes
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:44:55 +1000 Ashley Kyd a...@kyd.com.au wrote: As far as I know, it's a problem in different locations from year to year though. That would mean it needs cleaning up each year after the magpie season's over. Assuming they nest reasonably consistently in the same place

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-11 Thread John Smith
2009/9/11 Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com: Maybe because they are not nesting at the moment. No, they're nesting and even when the young chicks are just out of the nest they don't either. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-11 Thread John Smith
2009/9/11 Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com: Let's see who the dedicated mappers are. :D Are we really out of things to map? :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] New POI mapping application

2009-09-11 Thread John Smith
Due to things beyond my control it has taken till today to sort out the licensing on the map library, but that's now done and the BB and Android apps are now available for download. They're designed so literally anyone can add a point of interest anywhere any time.

Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details

2009-09-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I guess this is one specific case of the broader problem of what to do when two separate entities are co-located (i.e. nodes would be right on top of each other). Well, it depends what you're calling the bus stop. If

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I'd like that, too. It's also been discussed regarding temporary features like events and road closures and seasonal features. T-shirt. I'm guessing you've seen the following proposal (early stages)?

Re: [talk-au] talk-au emails have weird delivery times

2009-09-11 Thread John Smith
2009/9/12 Jeff Price jeff.pr...@rocketmail.com: Is it just me, or do the talk-au emails frequently arrive very much out of sequence?  Its not uncommon for me to receive peoples responses before the original email arrives.  I haven't noticed it quite so much on on the talk/import/legal lists.

Re: [Talk-de] neuer Service maposmatic.org Straßen karte plus Index ausdrucken ...

2009-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Gehling Marc wrote: unter maposmatic.org kann man sich Karten plus Straßenindex ausdrucken. Nur leider funktioniert das bei meinen Tests mit deutschen Städte noch nicht. Hat jemand einen Tip ? Der Tip lautet: Lies die Original-Ankuendigung gruendlich, da steht naemlich drin,

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Tobias Wendorff wrote: Am Fr, 11.09.2009, 02:27 schrieb Frederik Ramm: aber dann muessen wir ihn bei einem eventuellen Lizenzwechsel halt nochmal fragen. Was aber, wenn jemand die Daten inzwischen verändert hat? Wenn jemand uns die Daten mit der Massgabe gibt, sie unter CC-BY-SA

Re: [Talk-de] neuer Service maposmatic.org Straßen karte plus Index ausdrucken ...

2009-09-11 Thread Torsten Breda
Am 11. September 2009 07:55 schrieb Gehling Marc m.gehl...@gmx.de: Hallo, unter maposmatic.org kann man sich Karten plus Straßenindex ausdrucken. Nur leider funktioniert das bei meinen Tests mit deutschen Städte noch nicht. Hat jemand einen Tip ? Das ganze arbeitet mit einem Dump von

[Talk-de] Der Kreis Aachen ist vollständig!

2009-09-11 Thread Torsten Breda
Der Kreis Aachen (ab 21. Oktober Städtregion Aachen) ist vollständig! Der Straßenlistenvergleich zeigt nun bei allen Städten und Gemeinden im Kreis Aachen 100%. Das bedeutet, dass alle Straßen, die in den verwendeten Vergleichslisten vorhanden sind, auch ihr Pendant in OpenStreetMap haben.

Re: [Talk-de] Der Kreis Aachen ist vollständig!

2009-09-11 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin! ich habe mir die Links eben angesehen und wenn ich das richtig sehe, dann sind diese Orte nicht in [1] enthalten. Sollte man nicht versuchen alle Orte in eine Übersicht zu legen damit doppelte Nachfragen bei den Kommunen vermieden werden ?? Gruß jan :-) [1]

Re: [Talk-de] Der Kreis Aachen ist vollständig!

2009-09-11 Thread Torsten Breda
Am 11. September 2009 09:15 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Moin! ich habe mir die Links eben angesehen und wenn ich das richtig sehe, dann sind diese Orte nicht in [1] enthalten. Sollte man nicht versuchen alle Orte in eine Übersicht zu legen damit doppelte Nachfragen bei den

[Talk-de] Worldfile vom 09.09.09

2009-09-11 Thread Carsten Schwede
Hallo, die neue Version des Worldfiles liegt wie immer zum Download bereit auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Computerteddy -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Markus
Hallo Frederik, danke - endlich mal eine konkrete Antwort! Fuer Markus' konkreten Fall wuerde dies bedeuten, dass man vom Datenspender idealerweise die Erlaubnis haben sollte, die Daten unter CC-BY-SA oder einer anderen, vom OSM-Projekt ausgewaehlten freien und offenen Lizenz zu

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Fr, 11.09.2009, 08:28 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Wenn jemand uns die Daten mit der Massgabe gibt, sie unter CC-BY-SA weiterzuveroeffentlichen, und wir spaeter die Lizenz wechseln, und derjenige mit der neuen Lizenz nicht einverstanden ist, muessen diese Daten sowie alle darauf aufbauenden

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Sven Geggus
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Fuer Markus' konkreten Fall wuerde dies bedeuten, dass man vom Datenspender idealerweise die Erlaubnis haben sollte, die Daten unter CC-BY-SA oder einer anderen, vom OSM-Projekt ausgewaehlten freien und offenen Lizenz zu veroeffentlichen. Wenn dem

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Tobias Wendorff wrote: Wenn jemand uns die Daten mit der Massgabe gibt, sie unter CC-BY-SA weiterzuveroeffentlichen, und wir spaeter die Lizenz wechseln, und derjenige mit der neuen Lizenz nicht einverstanden ist, muessen diese Daten sowie alle darauf aufbauenden Bearbeitungen entfernt

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Fr, 11.09.2009, 11:41 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Im Lizenztext steht ja, dass jedes abgeleitete Werk immer auch CC-BY-SA sein muss. Wenn jemand CC-BY-SA-Daten abaendert in unserer Datenbank, sind die abgeaenderten Daten ein abgeleitetes Werk und duerfen nur CC-BY-SA veroeffentlicht werden.

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Tobias Wendorff wrote: Darf das Urheberrecht durch einen Nutzungsvertrag eingeschränkt werden? Wie meinst Du das? Im Grunde genommen darf ein Urheber jederzeit die Verbreitung des Werkes einschränken und müsste vorher auch bei Vervielfältung gefragt werden. Naja, wenn der Urheber

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Fr, 11.09.2009, 12:40 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Tobias Wendorff wrote: Darf das Urheberrecht durch einen Nutzungsvertrag eingeschränkt werden? Wie meinst Du das? Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob die Lizenz die Rechte beschränken kann, die einem Dritten durch das Urheberrecht gegeben sind.

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Tobias Wendorff wrote: Das deutsche Urheberrecht baut aber genau gegenteilig auf: der Urheber hat das Recht über die Nutzung seines Werkes zu bestimmen. Naja, ich kann doch aber nicht mein Werk in einem Buch abdrucken und drunterschreiben fuer jedermann frei verwendbar, und spaeter

Re: [Talk-de] neuer Service maposmatic.org Straßen karte plus Index ausdrucken ...

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Ist aber durchaus eine klasse Sache, ich hab schon lang drauf gewartet, dass jemand das mit dem Strassenindex mal in Angriff nimmt - da gibts sicher noch viel zu verbessern, aber ein Anfang ist jetzt mal gemacht. Und zufriedenstellend - aus meiner Sicht - ist auch,

Re: [Talk-de] neuer Service maposmatic.org Straßen karte plus Index ausdrucken ...

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Torsten Breda schrieb: Wenn man jetzt noch angeben könnte, welches Format die PDF und der Index haben soll, wäre es eine sehr gute Werbung für das Projekt. Wichtig wäre eventuell auch der Stand der Daten. 2009 ist irgendwie zu unpräzise ;-) Schön währe auch eine Suche, die alle Städte und

Re: [Talk-de] Josm livegps

2009-09-11 Thread Michael Buege
Zitat Michael Buege: Moin Kann jemand ein funktionierendes livegps-Plugin in Josm bestaetigen? So, hat ne Weile gedauert. Jaunty Jackalope Netbook Remix auf eeePc 1005HA Josm 2093 livegps 16945 gpsd 2.38 Garmin GPSmap 60CSx an USB. Danach: sudo modprobe garmin_gps sudo mount -t usbfs usbfs

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenz für Datenspende

2009-09-11 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Hallo, Frederik Ramm schrieb: Naja, ich kann doch aber nicht mein Werk in einem Buch abdrucken und drunterschreiben fuer jedermann frei verwendbar, und spaeter jemanden verklagen, der mein Werk verwendet mit der Begruendung, ich haette es mir halt inzwischen anders ueberlegt und er haette

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