[talk-ph] Fwd: pgRouting with Phil data

2010-11-22 Thread maning sambale
Another routing application using pgrouting engine. A pinoy developer requested to include osm-ph data in the routing app during the FOSS4G conf in Tokyo. = Anyway, during that conference I was able to convince Daniel Kastl of GeoRepublic.org to include the Philippine OSM

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Simpele vragen van simpele mapper

2010-11-22 Thread Chris Browet
2010/11/22 Luc Van den Troost luc.a...@gmail.com Eigenlijk leert volgens mij deze discussie een belangrijk ding, namelijk dat er aan duidelijke documentatie nood is. Karel Adams is toch al een tijdje met OSM bezig. 'basic dingen' zoals het knippen van een way zou dan iets moeten zijn dat

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Simpele vragen van simpele mapper

2010-11-22 Thread Maarten Deen
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:03:43 +0100, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: 2010/11/22 Luc Van den Troost Eigenlijk leert volgens mij deze discussie een belangrijk ding, namelijk dat er aan duidelijke documentatie nood is. Karel Adams is toch al een tijdje met OSM bezig. 'basic dingen'

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Simpele vragen van simpele mapper

2010-11-22 Thread Chris Browet
Voor Potlatch is er al zoiets: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts. Ook in het Nederlands en het Frans beschikbaar. The point is that *Double-click* on a blank area to insert a new point of interest is not useful for a newcomer. What is a point of interest vs.

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Simpele vragen van simpele mapper

2010-11-22 Thread Ivo De Broeck
or USE the wiki : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium#Start_with_OSM 2010/11/22 Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com Voor Potlatch is er al zoiets: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Keyboard_shortcuts. Ook in het Nederlands en het Frans beschikbaar. The point is

[OSM-talk-be] uitleg

2010-11-22 Thread Pieter Broeckx
Hey, Ik heb een pagina op m'n website aangemaakt hoe je osm upload en bewerkt. dit doe ik omdat het volgens creative commons is en omdat er veel mensen mij vragen hoe ze dit juist doen. En omdat het op de wiki niet egt duidelijk uitgelegd is. nu vraag ik jullie om dit even te controleren op

Re: [OSM-talk-be] uitleg

2010-11-22 Thread Ivo De Broeck
Proficiat met de site. OSM2IMG is heel handig. Misschien kan je ook de link opnemen naar http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php Via die site kan je grotere gebieden ineens downloaden, rechtstreeks in formaat IMG, maar ook bestanden voor garmin roadtrip en mapsource. Wat betreft de hulp, denk ik

Re: [OSM-talk-be] uitleg

2010-11-22 Thread Karel Adams
Op 22/11/2010 16:13, Pieter Broeckx schreef: Hey, Ik heb een pagina op m'n website aangemaakt hoe je osm upload en bewerkt. dit doe ik omdat het volgens creative commons is en omdat er veel mensen mij vragen hoe ze dit juist doen. En omdat het op de wiki niet egt duidelijk uitgelegd is. nu

Re: [OSM-talk-be] uitleg

2010-11-22 Thread Karel Adams
Op 22/11/2010 16:13, Pieter Broeckx schreef: Hey, Ik heb een pagina op m'n website aangemaakt hoe je osm upload en bewerkt. dit doe ik omdat het volgens creative commons is en omdat er veel mensen mij vragen hoe ze dit juist doen. En omdat het op de wiki niet egt duidelijk uitgelegd is. nu

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: That's one reason why I think a dual licence under both the proposed new licences and the existing CC-BY-SA is a good idea - because it provides a guarantee beyond doubt that all currently allowed uses of the map data will still be okay. For me, as a PD

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Avis
Simon Ward si...@... writes: I’d like to see all mandatory “agreements” to the CTs so far to be disregarded, and mandatory agreement to the CTs be removed for new sign‐ups. All users may fairly be informed about the licensing options, and where they can indicate their preference. At this point

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] openstreetmap in some flash advertising

2010-11-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 22 November 2010 13:43, Johnny Rose Carlsen o...@wenix.dk wrote: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 11/21/2010 08:53 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Legally they might have to attribute OSM but I'm really thankful they don't, because what they have to sell is some shady software that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Rob Myers
On 11/22/2010 07:24 PM, Kevin Peat wrote: Are there any concrete examples of share-alike actually benefitting OSM? There's at least one major data contribution that came about because of BY-SA I believe. It seems like a good thing for software projects but for OSM I don't really see the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Use Case

2010-11-22 Thread Xavier Loiseau
Hi Frederik, Thank you for your previous answers. I sill have a couple of remarks and questions. 1. You don't have to release what you haven't got. So if the only thing required for your application to work is the *location* then just store the location and not the address. You can

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2

2010-11-22 Thread SimonPoole
Sorry folks, but you are really kidding yourselves if you think (1) a and b are at all workable. On the one hand you are requiring Joe Wellintendening Mapper to determine if two licenses (typically in a foreign tongue and at least one of them rather complex) are legally compatible. This hasn't

[OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents (was: Best license for future tiles?)

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Avis
80n 80n...@... writes: The relationship between ODbL and DbCL is not very clear and I'm not convinced that lawyers really understand the distinction between a database and it's content.  I'm certain that it isn't understood by most ordinary people. I work with databases every day and I don't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Use Case

2010-11-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Xavier, On 22 November 2010 22:03, Xavier Loiseau xavier.lois...@ijoinery.com wrote: 1. You don't have to release what you haven't got. So if the only thing required for your application to work is the *location* then just store the location and not the address. You can still dump the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2

2010-11-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [DRAFT] Contributor Terms 1.2 Hi, On 18 November 2010 11:24, Francis Davey

Re: [OSM-talk] using wiktionary.org on map feature pages

2010-11-22 Thread Sam Vekemans
... and *we* can also edit wiktionary.org ... but lets not go their eithor ... I already agreed to the 1st responce, and i'm creating a separate wiki website for 'international map feature standards' .. which is a combination of the many different maps that are around the world. I'll only be

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread steve brown
The gpx uploader does support them as long as they are in the right format. Potlatch also supports them and shows them like temporary nodes. Stece On 22 Nov 2010 11:39, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Can anyone suggest any workflow, tools, whatever to get the waypoints that I

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:41 PM, steve brown st...@evolvedlight.co.uk wrote: The gpx uploader does support them as long as they are in the right format. Potlatch also supports them and shows them like temporary nodes. So...what's the right format? I have a feeling I've been down this road

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Donald Campbell II
I'd just add that depending on your GPS the waypoints may not be in the GPX files. For example with Garmin GPS devices the Waypoints are stored in the internal memory and must be extracted using GPSBabel or similar. The GPX files copied off when in USB Disk mode will only be tracks. So if

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread SomeoneElse
On 22/11/2010 12:20, Steve Bennett wrote: So...what's the right format? I have a feeling I've been down this road before and didn't get very far. It really doesn't seem like a very obscure thing I'm trying to do here. Workarounds? Steve ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Claudius
Am 22.11.2010 12:36, Steve Bennett: Hi all, Can anyone suggest any workflow, tools, whatever to get the waypoints that I have captured on my GPS (tourist attractions, hotels etc) into OSM? I understand the GPX upload interface doesn't support them. Just looking for some way to get an object

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Tom Hughes
On 22/11/10 11:41, steve brown wrote: The gpx uploader does support them as long as they are in the right format. No it doesn't. There's a lot of history here but it was basically deliberate that it doesn't import them. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] openstreetmap in some flash advertising

2010-11-22 Thread Johnny Rose Carlsen
Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 11/21/2010 08:53 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Legally they might have to attribute OSM but I'm really thankful they don't, because what they have to sell is some shady software that claims to be able to locate people when in reality it's just an x-ray

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: It's curious that two of the strongest defences of 'strong share-alike' come from yourself and Richard F. - but both of you prefer public domain. I, too, would prefer public domain over the ODbL. What's going on? Shouldn't we stop adding more legalese and just focus on

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: You can upload waypoints with GPX file, but only if the same GPX file has at least one formally valid track. Formally valid means that the track has timestamps. You can add a fake track into your GPX waypoint

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Next option - is there someone here who could do this for me? I have about 10 or so waypoint files. Maybe some brilliant JOSM user can show me how it's done. Err, if so:

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Tom Hughes
On 22/11/10 12:40, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: The reason for not accepting GPX with just waypoints is obviously that timestamps are wanted as an evidence to prove that OSM mappers have been on place instead of copying waypoint lists from the web. Wrong. Apart from anything else waypoints in GPX

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Loach
One rule: no JOSM. I have a preference for online tools if possible. Thanks to RichardF's help on irc I can confirm that I've managed to display one of the waypoint files from my GT31 as a background vector layer in Potlatch 2. I uploaded the .gpx file to my own website and added

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:30:15 -0400 , Donald Campbell II donaciano2...@gmail.com wrote: I'd just add that depending on your GPS the waypoints may not be in the GPX files. For example with Garmin GPS devices the Waypoints are stored in the internal memory and must be extracted using GPSBabel or

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread martyn
My GPS unit produces separate POI / waypoint files in addition to trackpoint files. Combining the two produces a file that can be visualised and traced in Potlatch: Waypoint files may not be timestamped, so using a text editor, add timestamps to each waypoint in the format

Re: [OSM-talk] So how *do* you get GPS waypoints into OSM?

2010-11-22 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Steve Bennett stevagewp at gmail.com writes: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/767553/OSM/waypoints/waypoints.zip Try WP1.gpx - WP12.gpx http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JRA/traces I added the same fake two node track to each file somewhere from the area of the first WP file. -Jukka Rahkonen-

[OSM-talk] PBF and perl?

2010-11-22 Thread Gary68
hi, just browsed the PBF wiki page and svn and didn't find any perl support. is there any module out there to read PBF files? thanks gerhard gary68 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?

2010-11-22 Thread Rob
even more polution http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0.445lon=-1.674zoom=10layers=M 2010/11/15 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com: On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Nakor nakor@gmail.com wrote: My next question is then: what is the correct place to report it? Trac. But it has already been

[OSM-talk] Localisation and better search in Taginfo

2010-11-22 Thread Jochen Topf
I just put the new version of Taginfo (http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/) online. Taginfo now supports multiple languages. Currently only English and German, but other languages can be added easily. Not all texts are translated yet. By default Taginfo uses the language selected in your browser.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes: It's curious that two of the strongest defences of 'strong share-alike' come from yourself and Richard F. - but both of you prefer public domain. I, too, would prefer public domain over the ODbL. What's going on? Basically, OSM has several outspoken

Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?

2010-11-22 Thread Jon Burgess
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 17:59 +0100, Rob wrote: even more polution http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0.445lon=-1.674zoom=10layers=M That has a different cause. Someone did upload data putting buildings here which have since been removed: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/75383193 What you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Kevin Peat
On 22 November 2010 18:32, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: it was simply assumed right from the outset that share-alike is the 'consensus'... Are there any concrete examples of share-alike actually benefitting OSM? It seems like a good thing for software projects but for OSM I don't really

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread 80n
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes: It's curious that two of the strongest defences of 'strong share-alike' come from yourself and Richard F. - but both of you prefer public domain. I, too, would prefer public domain over

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Best license for future tiles?

2010-11-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Kevin Peat wrote: Are there any concrete examples of share-alike actually benefitting OSM? It seems like a good thing for software projects but for OSM I don't really see the benefit. One of the benefits massively touted by some Australian project members (but also, less loudly, by

Re: [OSM-talk] PBF and perl?

2010-11-22 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:20, Gary68 g...@gary68.de wrote: just browsed the PBF wiki page and svn and didn't find any perl support. is there any module out there to read PBF files? Yes, see Google::ProtocolBuffers on CPAN[1]. 1. Found by entering protocol buffer into search.cpan.org.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps]

2010-11-22 Thread Itserik
Op 2-11-2010 16:33, Itserik schreef: Als dat zou zijn dan zijn ze toch wel erg laat met de N36 bij Ommen. Maar misschien dat dit mailtje ergens iets triggered. Erik We zijn amper 20 dagen verder en de N36 staat nu wel op googlemaps. Alleen alle viaducten, turnrestrictions en uitlijning

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Weekbulletin

2010-11-22 Thread Martijn van Exel
Die toegang kun je waarschijnlijk wel krijgen van 1 van de admins. Even vragen hier, ik ben volgens mij geen admin. Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps]

2010-11-22 Thread Peter
Op een of andere manier is dit geen toeval meer... Komop Google, je mag het best zeggen hoor! (nee echt, we bijten niet) Op 22 november 2010 09:18 schreef Itserik e...@itserik.nl het volgende: Op 2-11-2010 16:33, Itserik schreef: Als dat zou zijn dan zijn ze toch wel erg laat met de N36 bij

[OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!

2010-11-22 Thread Martijn van Exel
Beste allemaal, Ik ben bezig met een NL handleiding voor het maken van een eigen tileserver die zichzelf up-to-date houdt. Doelgroep is mensen met minimaal een klein beetje ervaring op de linux-command line , maar niet noodzakelijk met OSM-specifieke tools. Ik put uit een beetje eigen kennis en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!

2010-11-22 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-11-10 16:43, Martijn van Exel schreef: Ik ben bezig met een NL handleiding voor het maken van een eigen tileserver die zichzelf up-to-date houdt. Doelgroep is mensen met minimaal een klein beetje ervaring op de linux-command line , maar

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!

2010-11-22 Thread Martijn van Exel
[...] Lijkt mij een mooi ding om te hebben op de website. Ik denk dat er wel belangstelling voor zal zijn. Had Milo toch ook al eens gedaan? Stefan Ja? Waar? Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl |

[OSM-talk-nl] Mapperskaart

2010-11-22 Thread Frank Heinen
Dit is een nieuwe treath op basis van de reactie van Martijn van Exel in de Treat MappingParties 2011 op 21-11-2010 om 20:35. Hey Martijn, Ik had net voor het weekend een brainstorm op papier gezet voor een mapperskaart. Waarbij de mapper zijn gegevenskwijt kan en dit als online tool kan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps]

2010-11-22 Thread Frank Heinen
En nu zou het tof zijn als ze zeggen, Hey mappers, ja we gebruiken jullie input om onze kaart te verbeteren. Dat zou ik geweldig vinden! Op 22-11-10 heeft Peterpe...@haas-en-berg.nl het volgende geschreven: Op een of andere manier is dit geen toeval meer... Komop Google, je mag het best zeggen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!

2010-11-22 Thread Frank Heinen
Ik ga er binnenkort een opzetten. Dan ga ik je verhaal eens testen. Op 22-11-10 heeft Martijn van Exelm...@rtijn.org het volgende geschreven: [...] Lijkt mij een mooi ding om te hebben op de website. Ik denk dat er wel belangstelling voor zal zijn. Had Milo toch ook al eens gedaan?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!

2010-11-22 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Kunnen we dat proces eens inter-actief doen met een groepje belangstellenden ? Eventueel kan dat bij mij in Rotterdam (NW) Dan kunnen we tevens deze handleiding al doende checken. Ik heb nog wel een quad serverke liggen met een 1TB schijf en 8GB memory. Mijn internet is alleen een beetje traag

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!

2010-11-22 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-11-10 19:23, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schreef: We moeten alleen een kleinere kaart inlezen vanwege de uren… Heb voor een projectje waar Rubke ook bij betrokken was een webinterface gemaakt om dat proces ook te

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!

2010-11-22 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ik vind dat allemaal heel erg leuke plannen en ideeën! Laten we inderdaad een tileserver-hackfest doen met als uitkomst een (paar) mooie tutorial(s) in het Nederlands. December?! Ambitieus maar misschien mogelijk! Gert, stel jij een paar data voor? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Ben Kelley
I think I'm in a similar situation. Some of my work is derived (e.g. Nearmap). Therefore I can't agree to the CT as they stand. OK worst case: Suppose that (and similar) data got deleted. Suppose there are enough people prepared to trust OSM afterwards to re-map the parts that can be remapped.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:11 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Thats fine for data that is sourced from NearMap.  What about other data sources, such as imports and the like?  Having said that, if the CTs are accepted by one group, Im sure theyll be accepted by most, as it seems

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: OK worst case: Suppose that (and similar) data got deleted. Suppose there are enough people prepared to trust OSM afterwards to re-map the parts that can be remapped. What happens in the 2-3 years it takes to get back

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:18 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-11-21 at 15:13 +1100, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: I would think the better solution is to have the attribution simplified like Google Maps does. eg. Google Maps for canberra says Copyright PSMA, MapQuest

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 22:50 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: But I also haven't yet seen any reasons, other than sheer bloody mindedness, why a person who was happy to contribute under a CC-BY-SA licence would be unhappy to do so under ODbL, assuming they were able to do so. The problem occurs

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:34 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 22:50 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: But I also haven't yet seen any reasons, other than sheer bloody mindedness, why a person who was happy to contribute under a CC-BY-SA licence would be unhappy

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au Cc: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:34 AM, David Murn

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au Cc: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:34 AM, David Murn

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Murn wrote: the problem is that the powers-that-be dont seem to want to address the problematic terms and simply tell people the decisions have already been made, and to cease discussion. Hardly the way to run an open community project. I realise the phrase assume good faith is

Re: [talk-au] CT / ODbL approval by changeset.

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com The intent is to allow those with concerns about some of their data to mark it, and accept the terms for the data they are confident in. One

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:50:09 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: But I also haven't yet seen any reasons, other than sheer bloody mindedness, why a person who was happy to contribute under a CC-BY-SA licence would be unhappy to do so under ODbL, assuming they were able to do so.

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:59:13 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Because when you engage with the guys who are doing stuff, make suggestions, talk to them in a friendly manner, the result is better for everyone. That applies as much to licence discussions as it does to

Re: [talk-au] CT / ODbL approval by changeset.

2010-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:58:21 -0500 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Glad to have your support on this. I guess you don't comprehend Australian idiom. I didn't read support in the reply at all, noting some sarcasm. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I'm not sure this would work in practice. As others have said, it would be very difficult (effectively impossible) to know which of the many edits I have made in the last 3 years relied on data where the author doesn't now agree to the contributor terms. It would be similarly difficult for

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I don't agree with ODBL. I don't think that it is right that those providing manipulated data eg data ready for a navigation app (Navit, Garmin format) should have to provide access to a planet dump of OSM as well. They don't have to. ODbL 4.6b: You must also offer

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 November 2010 20:02, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I find this quite offensive. Because I have discussed things and asked questions, while indicating that I do not agree, I have been treated extremely rudely on other OSM mailing lists, in particular by persons in 'high

Re: [talk-au] license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Grant Slater
On 22 November 2010 20:13, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: If we get an agreeable licence for the main sources of non-survey data (I'm including at least Nearmap and the Bureau of Statistics data in that - what about Yahoo?) then this becomes a little more manageable. Easiest first.

Re: [talk-au] CT / ODbL approval by changeset.

2010-11-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Cc: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [talk-au] CT / ODbL approval by changeset. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, David Groom

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: license change map

2010-11-22 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:18:07 + Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: [off-list] I have been labelled a 'troll' which I am not, and been the subject of personal abuse by SteveC. Hang about. I'm not SteveC and I wouldn't necessarily class him as among the guys who are doing

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Rainer Kluge
Am 21.11.2010 21:35, schrieb Andreas Tille: Ich denke mal, daß eine internationalisierung der Ausgabe und der Doku sinnvoll wären. Daran arbeite ich bereits, kämpfe aber noch mit dem Verstehen des Perl-Moduls Locale::Maketext Gruß rainer ___

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Andreas Tille
Hallo Rainer, da ich ernsthaft plane, das Script als kleines Debian Paket zu packen, könnte ich anbieten, konkrete Fragen an das Debian Perl Team weiterzuleiten. Die sind in der Regel sehr hilfsbereit und wissen mit Sicherheit eine Antwort auf Fragen zur Lokalisierung. Viele Grüße

Re: [Talk-de] Panzersperren des Westwall

2010-11-22 Thread Steffen Heinz
Am 21.11.2010 20:15, schrieb Wolfgang Wienke: Siehe http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.7896lon=6.0883zoom=14layers=B000FTF Höckerlinie! ok aber ob das so ganz richig ist? die DInger sind aus Beton Außerdem müsste dort Westwall stehen http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westwall ... eigentlich

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Andreas Tille wrote: da ich ernsthaft plane, das Script als kleines Debian Paket zu packen, Wenn ihr das vorhabt und damit zu rechnen ist, dass das Skript auch in die Haende wenig OSM-erfahrener Nutzer faellt, dann stellt bitte sicher, dass jeder Nutzer des Skripts ganz deutlich

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread André Joost
Am 22.11.10 09:52, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Andreas Tille wrote: da ich ernsthaft plane, das Script als kleines Debian Paket zu packen, Wenn ihr das vorhabt und damit zu rechnen ist, dass das Skript auch in die Haende wenig OSM-erfahrener Nutzer faellt, dann stellt bitte sicher, dass

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 22.11.2010 10:07, schrieb André Joost: Am 22.11.10 09:52, schrieb Frederik Ramm: hintereinander mit .../full abzurufen, wie das dieses Skript tut, belastet den Server gehoerig. Und bei sowas wie Man darf aber auch auf die XAPI umleiten. Was man darf und was man tun sollte sind nicht das

Re: [Talk-de] Kaputte Refs

2010-11-22 Thread Steffen Wolf
Hi Chris66, Am 22.11.2010 06:42, schrieb Steffen Wolf: ich bin gestern ueber einige Edits gestolpert, in denen ein Nutzer den Schluessel ref wohl versehentlich zerstoert hat, indem er Werte wie Radverbot oder Fahrradverbot dort eingetragen hat. Siehe Forum: Oberförster hat eine neue Runde

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Rainer Kluge
Hallo Frederik, Am 22.11.2010 09:52, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Also wenn dieser Code die OSM-Insider-Bastel-Ecke verlaesst, dann bitte (a) gegen unsachgemaesse Benutzung absichern und (b) Benutzer entsprechend aufklaeren. Fuer mal eine einzelne Relation runterladen ist das ok, fuer jede Art der

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:12:31AM +0100, Rainer Kluge wrote: Was ich auch für sinnvoll halte, wäre eine (Wiki-)Seite, auf der in regelmäßigen Abständen die Outputs meines Skripts für die Radwanderwege einer Region veröffentlicht werden. Die Seite zu erstellen wäre für mich kein Problem.

Re: [Talk-de] Kaputte Refs

2010-11-22 Thread Walter Nordmann
dein frommer wunsch wird ungehört vergehen. oberförster hat sich noch NIE zu seinen taten bekannt oder gar geäußert. der zieht einfach sein ding durch und ist inzwischen wohlbekannt im forum. gruss walter http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=7733 - Der Usus von Xenologismen ist

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen und zughörige Ortsnamen

2010-11-22 Thread Markus
Hallo Dieter, Verwaltungszentrum Ortsname Ich schreibe das was auf dem Ortsschild steht in name= Das hat den Vorteil, dass in Ägypten oder so auch gleich die richtige Schrift verwendet wird, und ich mir keine Gedanken über deren postalische oder was auch immer Organisation machen muss ;-)

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Sven Geggus
Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de wrote: Ich würde das Skript gerne einem breiteren Publikum zugänglich machen, z.B. im OSM-Wiki, ohne mir dadurch Stress mit SVN Repositories u.ä. aufzuhalsen. Für Vorschläge, was da geeignet wäre, bin ich dankbar. Inwiefern empfindest Du ein svn commit als Stress?

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Rainer Kluge
Hallo Sven, Am 22.11.2010 11:46, schrieb Sven Geggus: Inwiefern empfindest Du ein svn commit als Stress? Das habe ich wohl etwas zu flapsig ausgedrückt. Im Hintergrund stehen u.a. die von Frederik inzwischen ausführlich dargelegten Aspekte. An ein Tool in einem Repository, und erst recht an

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo Rainer, Rainer Kluge wrote: Mit dem breiterem Publikum in meinem UP hatte ich auch nicht Hinz und Kunz gemeint sondern aktive und erfahrene OSM-Mapper. Ich war auch erst besorgt, als das Wort Debian-Paket fiel ;) Ich werde deine Anregungen aufnehmen und den Batch-Modus beim Laden der

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, André Joost wrote: täte ich ja gerne, wenn die Extrakte denn vollständig wären :-( Oder gibts hierfür ne Lösung: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg76985.html Es gibt den Plan einer Loesung:

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread André Joost
Am 22.11.10 13:15, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, André Joost wrote: täte ich ja gerne, wenn die Extrakte denn vollständig wären :-( Oder gibts hierfür ne Lösung: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg76985.html Es gibt den Plan einer Loesung:

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Sven Geggus
Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de wrote: Das habe ich wohl etwas zu flapsig ausgedrückt. Im Hintergrund stehen u.a. die von Frederik inzwischen ausführlich dargelegten Aspekte. An ein Tool in einem Repository, und erst recht an ein Paket einer Linux-Distribution, stelle ich hohe Ansprüche

[Talk-de] OpenLayers Parameter

2010-11-22 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Hallo, wie schaffe ich es, hier jeweils auch die aktuelle Zoomstufe dem PHP-Script zu übergeben? var layer = new OpenLayers.Layer.Vector(Test, { projection: wgs84, maxResolution: 10.0, visibility: true, transitionEffect: 'resize', strategies: [

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers Parameter

2010-11-22 Thread Sebastian Klemm
Hallo Alex, Am 22.11.2010 15:25, schrieb Alexander Matheisen: Hallo, Ich möchte also, dass folgender Parameter an die URL angehängt wird: zoom=aktueller Zoom Bin mir nicht sicher, ob ich Dich richtig verstehe, aber ich würde es so probieren: url:

Re: [Talk-de] OpenLayers Parameter

2010-11-22 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Bin mir nicht sicher, ob ich Dich richtig verstehe, aber ich würde es so probieren: url: root+'api/tiler.phpzoom='+map.getZoom(), Das habe ich schon probiert, aber funktioniert leider nicht, wahrscheinlich weil dieser Wert dann nicht mehr verändert wird. Alex

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Alpin?

2010-11-22 Thread Torsten Leistikow
Fichtennadel schrieb am 22.11.2010 08:13: Mir ist es jedenfalls zu aufwendig, nochmal über jeden Weg eine Relation drüberzulegen, nur weil er markiert ist. Ist er denn ohne besonderen Grund markiert? Oder steckt da ein System hinter der Markierung, dass man per Relation gut erfassen koennte?

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Alpin?

2010-11-22 Thread Fichtennadel
2010/11/22 Torsten Leistikow de_m...@gmx.de Fichtennadel schrieb am 22.11.2010 08:13: Mir ist es jedenfalls zu aufwendig, nochmal über jeden Weg eine Relation drüberzulegen, nur weil er markiert ist. Ist er denn ohne besonderen Grund markiert? Oder steckt da ein System hinter der

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Mit dem breiterem Publikum in meinem UP hatte ich auch nicht Hinz und Kunz gemeint sondern aktive und erfahrene OSM-Mapper. Ich war auch erst besorgt, als das Wort Debian-Paket fiel ;) Inwiefern erzeugt das Grund zur Sorge? Ich

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Alpin?

2010-11-22 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 20. November 2010 21:32 schrieb qbert biker qbe...@gmx.de: Im Prinzip ist jeder nicht offizielle Weg ein Mehrwert für OSM, solange es ein Minimum an Unterscheidbarkeit gibt. Das Problem, das sich hier aufzeigt ist doch, dass es gibt da auch keine Einigkeit unter den Mappern. Ich hatte vor

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:37:39PM +0100, Rainer Kluge wrote: Das habe ich wohl etwas zu flapsig ausgedrückt. Im Hintergrund stehen u.a. die von Frederik inzwischen ausführlich dargelegten Aspekte. An ein Tool in einem Repository, und erst recht an ein Paket einer Linux-Distribution,

Re: [Talk-de] rel2gpx.pl v0.23 verfügbar

2010-11-22 Thread Sven Geggus
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: Inwiefern erzeugt das Grund zur Sorge? Ich habe gerne jedes Programm, das ich irgendwie brauche als Debian Paket, noch dazu wenn irgendwelche Abhängigkeiten (OSM.pm) benötigt werden. Ich nehme an das Fred sicher nichts dagegen hat wenn Du im OSM Wiki

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