date:20110613

Hi Grant


http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735


Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a
few months now - It's really good.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

2011-06-13 Thread Graham Jones

I was going to say something similar about the main OSM mapnik rendering.
Last night the high zoom level had rendered by the time I had closed
Potlatch2.
Well done to those running our rendering servers!

Graham

from my phone

On 13 Jun 2011 07:04, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:

On 13 June 2011 06:45, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just added some more new roa...
Do you mean Bing or MapQuest? I wasn't aware that Bing was using OSM data
yet.
Example link?

/ Grant


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Jochen Topf

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
 http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735
 
 
 Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a
 few months now - It's really good.

That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM. And
the rendering is really ugly. :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

Jochen,

I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I think
standard mapnik, looks ok to me.

Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
all the OSM data there looking quite good.

Cheers
Nick

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
 
 http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735
 
 
  Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for
 a
  few months now - It's really good.

 That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM.
 And
 the rendering is really ugly. :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Andrew Errington

On Mon, June 13, 2011 16:07, Nick Hocking wrote:
 Jochen,


 I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I
 think standard mapnik, looks ok to me.

 Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
  all the OSM data there looking quite good.

I did try, but it's just the old stuff.  Can you see it?  Maybe I am doing
something wrong. :(

A


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread John Smith

On 13 June 2011 17:07, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jochen,

 I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I think
 standard mapnik, looks ok to me.

 Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
 all the OSM data there looking quite good.

I only see attribution for Microsoft and MapData Sciences...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=37.506163lon=127.050212z=14pid=50735

Works for me. But I'll go check out Yahoo and Google and see what the diffs
are


On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Andrew Errington 
a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote:

 On Mon, June 13, 2011 16:07, Nick Hocking wrote:
  Jochen,
 
 
  I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner).  Rendering is, I
  think standard mapnik, looks ok to me.
 
  Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
   all the OSM data there looking quite good.

 I did try, but it's just the old stuff.  Can you see it?  Maybe I am doing
 something wrong. :(

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mean high water level rendering

2011-06-13 Thread Ed Loach

Borbus wrote:

 I have recently been mapping tidal areas where data for both mean
 high
 water and low water levels are available.  I have drawn the MHW
 level
 and tagged it as natural=water, natural=riverbank or
 natural=coastline.
  Then I have drawn natural=beach, natural=mud, natural=land,
 natural=wetland etc. up to the MLW level.
 
 For example see: http://osm.org/go/0EZaXWxC-
 
 First question is does this seem a reasonable way to map MHW and
 MLW?
 If so I think I will start a wiki page on how to do it.

natural=coastline should be used for MHW as per the wiki [1]. 

For the area between MHW and MLW I have used multipolygons for
either natural=wetland/wetland=tidalflat or natural=beach/tidal=yes
(both of which can be seen here:
http://osm.org/go/0EH53Vkp--
)

I adopted this method I think from copying how someone had mapped a
similar area further along the coast, but forget the details now.

Your example seems to be a little more inland than the example I
quoted so things may need mapping a bit differently, but the tidal
areas I've looked at near here reach up the River Colne as far as
Colchester and the River Stour to the sluice at the A137 crossing.
There is a trac ticket to make tidalflat's look a bit better when
the background is sea rather than land in Mapnik [2]. Osmarender
doesn't seem to handle the complexity of the multipolygons (turning
most of Harwich into a beach, for example).

Ed

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcoastline
[2] http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1607




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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Ed Loach

If I recall correctly, the Mapnik “Openstreetmap Mode” requires
Silverlight, so the link below might show you a different view if
you don’t have it installed. Or perhaps I’m thinking of the Map App,
if that is different?

 

Ed

 

From: Nick Hocking [mailto:nick.hock...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 13 June 2011 07:08
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

 

Hi Grant

 

 

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapnikla
t=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735
p=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735

 

 

Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik
facility for a few months now - It's really good.

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[OSM-talk] Mean high water level rendering

Hi Ed,

Given the renderening speeds we are seeing, I wonder if it would be possible
to calculate and update OSM with actual estimated tide heights, say once
every 5 minutes for coastlines of interest.

Now just how flash (no to mention useful) would that be?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread John Smith

On 13 June 2011 18:01, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote:
 If I recall correctly, the Mapnik “Openstreetmap Mode” requires Silverlight,
 so the link below might show you a different view if you don’t have it
 installed. Or perhaps I’m thinking of the Map App, if that is different?

I'd forgotten about that and it never seemed to make sense to me just
for showing tiles.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Andrew Errington

On Mon, June 13, 2011 17:01, Ed Loach wrote:
 If I recall correctly, the Mapnik #65533;Openstreetmap Mode#65533;
requires
 Silverlight, so the link below might show you a different view if
 you don#65533;t have it installed. Or perhaps I#65533;m thinking of
the Map App, if
 that is different?

Hmm, well I don't have Silverlight, nor do I want it.  It could explain
why I don't see the same thing as others.

Thank you,

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[OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis


Hello

I have issues with importing large (planet) OSM files my postGIS 
database using the osm2pgsql tool.
The smaller files like some of the continents I could easily import but 
with large files I have problems.


The hardware configuration is the following
RAM: 3GB
HDD: 2TB
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz

Software:
CentOS 5.6 32 bit
Postgres 8.4
PostGIS 1.5.2
Geoserver 2.1.0
Java 1.6 update 25
osm2pgsql - latest from the SVN

For the import I use the following command
./osm2pgsql -U postgres -s -u -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500 
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm
The -C parameter I have altered several time and I have tried to lower 
the values for it but I have had no success

The error I get with this particular file is the following

Reading in file: /home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm
Processing: Node(225520k) Way(0k) Relation(0)Entity: line 316029280: 
parser error : Specification mandate value for attribute version5
253 lat=33.5848027 lon=35.4919974 timestamp=2008-04-22T17:21:36Z 
version5

   ^
Entity: line 316029280: parser error : attributes construct error
253 lat=33.5848027 lon=35.4919974 timestamp=2008-04-22T17:21:36Z 
version5

   ^
Entity: line 316029280: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag node
253 lat=33.5848027 lon=35.4919974 timestamp=2008-04-22T17:21:36Z 
version5

   ^
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm : failed to parse
Error occurred, cleaning up

Since I have seen on several places that messages about faulty XML can 
be cause the memory I have expanded the swap space
I have added a swap file to my system to extend the swap space so now I 
have 14GB of swap space but I still get the same error.


What am I doing wrong ?
Are there any alternatives to osm2pgsql maybe something that ?
Is my HW configuration to low ?
Should I go with a 64 bit system ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

2011-06-13 Thread Stephan Knauss


On 13.06.2011 08:01, Grant Slater wrote:

Do you mean Bing or MapQuest? I wasn't aware that Bing was using OSM data yet.
Example link?


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing#OpenStreetMap_via_the_Bing_Maps_APIs

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w/5872/style=Mapnikpid=50735

needs Silverlight


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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

2011/6/13 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de:
 needs Silverlight


that is really amazing...

I don't have silverlight so I only get their dumb standard map...

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Jochen Topf

I looked at it again, and its not OSM data. It is NAVTEQ data. Its much better
than when I last looked at NAVTEQ data so I was confused. :-) But on closer
inspection I can see that the OSM data is still better and more current.

FF 3.6.17 on Linux, no Silverlight.

Jochen

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 05:07:31PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:07:31 +1000
From: Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

Jochen,

I see attribution on my browser (bottom left corner). Rendering is, I think
standard mapnik, looks ok to me.

Andrew E, did you try my link and zoom over to Korea. I think you'll find
all the OSM data there looking quite good.

Cheers
Nick

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote:

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:07:33PM +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:

http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=wp=c/5872/style=Mapniklat=-35.206078lon=149.103028z=17pid=50735

Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for
a
few months now - It's really good.

That definitly looks like OSM data. But there is no attribution for OSM.
And
the rendering is really ugly. :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete xphreaks...@gmail.com:
 Are there any alternatives to osm2pgsql maybe something that ?


There are alternatives to osm2pgsql (e.g. imposm, osmosis) but they do
not do the same thing so it depends what you want to do with your
database (which scheme you want to have) which you should choose.

Actually osm2pgsql should work nonetheless, have you tried another
version of the planet or extract? Did you run md5 sum on your data
prior to importing it to verify if your file is OK?

./osm2pgsql -U postgres -s -u -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm

Maybe the reason is the -u option? Looking at the help this should
not be needed since 2007 and maybe even can cause some harm:
-u|--utf8-sanitize Repair bad UTF8 input data (present in planet
dumps prior to August 2007). Adds about 10% overhead.


cheers,
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Hello

Thank you for the quick reply
I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize 
and will let you know the results as soon as I have some


As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but 
this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2, 
bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the 
md5 hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)


I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 
17GB large and have started to unpack this morning with the following 
command

 pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4

and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see 
the process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB

Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?

On 6/13/2011 11:49 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2011/6/13 Zolt Egetexphreaks...@gmail.com:

Are there any alternatives to osm2pgsql maybe something that ?


There are alternatives to osm2pgsql (e.g. imposm, osmosis) but they do
not do the same thing so it depends what you want to do with your
database (which scheme you want to have) which you should choose.

Actually osm2pgsql should work nonetheless, have you tried another
version of the planet or extract? Did you run md5 sum on your data
prior to importing it to verify if your file is OK?

./osm2pgsql -U postgres -s -u -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm

Maybe the reason is the -u option? Looking at the help this should
not be needed since 2007 and maybe even can cause some harm:
-u|--utf8-sanitizeRepair bad UTF8 input data (present in planet
dumps prior to August 2007). Adds about 10% overhead.


cheers,
Martin

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2011/6/13 Zolt Egete xphreaks...@gmail.com:
 Hello

 Thank you for the quick reply
 I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize and
 will let you know the results as soon as I have some

 As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but
 this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2,
 bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
 Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the md5
 hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)

 I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 17GB
 large and have started to unpack this morning with the following command
  pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
 pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4

 and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see the
 process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB
 Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?


yes, the md5 check should pass OK, otherwise I suspect there is a
problem with your download. I suggest you try first a smaller extract
to test your setup, e.g. one of geofabrik. You also don't have to
unpack the file, you can pipe it with bzcat to osm2pgsql. See the wiki
for details. Another option is using pbf files (binary), see the wiki.

cheers,
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Thanks

Will give it a try and will let you know about the results I have got
thanks one more for the quick reply

On 6/13/2011 12:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2011/6/13 Zolt Egetexphreaks...@gmail.com:

Hello

Thank you for the quick reply
I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize and
will let you know the results as soon as I have some

As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but
this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2,
bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the md5
hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)

I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 17GB
large and have started to unpack this morning with the following command
  pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4

and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see the
process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB
Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?


yes, the md5 check should pass OK, otherwise I suspect there is a
problem with your download. I suggest you try first a smaller extract
to test your setup, e.g. one of geofabrik. You also don't have to
unpack the file, you can pipe it with bzcat to osm2pgsql. See the wiki
for details. Another option is using pbf files (binary), see the wiki.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Stephan Knauss


On 13.06.2011 11:44, Jochen Topf wrote:

FF 3.6.17 on Linux, no Silverlight.
This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other 
data but nag you to install Silverlight.


I CC'ed Steve.

@Steve: Consider a nag screen or even better provide the tiles using the 
plain JS API as well.
This is how all started: 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-June/058642.html


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Hello

As I have promised I have tried to import  the old file without the -u 
option so not to use utf sanitize and I still got a problem
 ./osm2pgsql -U postgres -v -s -S default.style -d gisa -C 2500 
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm

osm2pgsql SVN version 0.70.5

Using projection SRS 900913 (Spherical Mercator)
Setting up table: planet_osm_point
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_point does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_point_tmp does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_line
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_line does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_line_tmp does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_polygon
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_polygon does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_polygon_tmp does not exist, skipping
Setting up table: planet_osm_roads
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_roads does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_roads_tmp does not exist, skipping
Mid: pgsql, scale=100, cache=2500MB, maxblocks=320001*8192
Setting up table: planet_osm_nodes
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_nodes does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index 
planet_osm_nodes_pkey for table planet_osm_nodes

Setting up table: planet_osm_ways
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_ways does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index 
planet_osm_ways_pkey for table planet_osm_ways

Setting up table: planet_osm_rels
NOTICE:  table planet_osm_rels does not exist, skipping
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index 
planet_osm_rels_pkey for table planet_osm_rels


Reading in file: /home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm
Processing: Node(3670k) Way(0k) Relation(0)Entity: line 21837637: parser 
error : Unescaped '' not allowed in attributes values
750 lon=10.4204140 timestamp=2006-12-31T06:28:45Z version=1 
changeset=17

   ^
Entity: line 21837637: parser error : attributes construct error
750 lon=10.4204140 timestamp=2006-12-31T06:28:45Z version=1 
changeset=17

   ^
Entity: line 21837637: parser error : Couldn't find end of Start Tag node
750 lon=10.4204140 timestamp=2006-12-31T06:28:45Z version=1 
changeset=17

   ^
/home/zsolt/tmp/planet-100127.osm : failed to parse
Error occurred, cleaning up

The newest file I have downloaded I could not unpack since there is an 
archive error
I really need help cause I am on a project and I need to set the server 
up, I am already over my time which was planned for this task.


From where can I download a good planet file ? I have tried from the 
links which are provided from the openstreetmap site but since now only 
one file have worked for me, only one I could unpack


On 6/13/2011 12:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2011/6/13 Zolt Egetexphreaks...@gmail.com:

Hello

Thank you for the quick reply
I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize and
will let you know the results as soon as I have some

As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but
this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2, bzip2,
bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the md5
hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)

I have downloaded the other day the latest planet file which is almost 17GB
large and have started to unpack this morning with the following command
  pbunzip2 -d -k planet-latest.osm.bz2
pbzip2: *ERROR during decompression: -4

and the error have shown after 200GB is unpacked, but I can still see the
process going on, despite for the error and now it is on 227 GB
Do you think this can impose a problem with the unpacked OSM file ?


yes, the md5 check should pass OK, otherwise I suspect there is a
problem with your download. I suggest you try first a smaller extract
to test your setup, e.g. one of geofabrik. You also don't have to
unpack the file, you can pipe it with bzcat to osm2pgsql. See the wiki
for details. Another option is using pbf files (binary), see the wiki.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Borbus

On 13/06/11 11:29, Stephan Knauss wrote:
 This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other 
 data but nag you to install Silverlight.

I'd rather it didn't because I'm not going to install Silverlight (in
fact I couldn't even if I wanted to).  It would be a lot better if it
was available in the normal javascript version.

-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 tutorial part 2 - tracing roads and areas

2011-06-13 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)

Nice job David! Very clear and professional.
I'd definitely support these videos being added to the wiki ASAP.

One small point: it might be worth mentioning the 'B' shortcut in Potlatch
2, which will set the source=Bing tag without having to flip to the 'Misc'
tab and type it in manually.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread Serge Wroclawski

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote:

 I don't know why some people call it a vote at all.  It is a question
 whether or not *you* agree to a contract (the CT) and allow *your*
 contributions to be distributed under ODbL.  Your answer is not binding
 to anyone else.

 And when OSMF has enough agreements from contributors they might decide
 to switch licenses.


 A question for a real vote could be Do you think OSM should switch to
 ODbL?

That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
community by a different community member who had concerned over the
first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.
They're several years old now.

The poll allowed you to show how much you wanted to didn't want the
ODbL, and the results showed you had polar views on both sides, the
pro-ODbL people had slightly larger numbers, and you had a vast, vast
majority in the middle who don't give a crap about this license issue
and want to just map (they voted Don't care.).

My frustration at this situation stems from what I perceive as an
unwillingness to acknowledge facts by the opposition. This may seem
harsh but my frustration here is pretty high. When I do present facts,
they're largely glossed over. Anyway, the first the arguments against
the ODbL were that it had no community support, that only the OMSF
wanted it.

It's important to understand why this is an odd critisism in the first
place. First, the LWG is an OSMF working group, and I don't believe it
requires OSMF membership. The majority of members of the LWG are not
on the board. So, the group that took the lead in moving to the ODbL
was not made up by a majority board members, nor did it require OSMF
membership.

Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
sense to me..

Still, shortly thereafter (a couple of months later I believe), the
another poll was taken  of all OSM members, OSMF or not, and the
results were largely the same. This was done on the talk list.

Then someone from the community against the ODbL felt the first poll
may not have been entirely on the up and up, and made their own. And
the results were nearly identical to the first two polls.

 I am curious what the outcome of that would be.

Aggregated from my recollection of all 3 polls, it was that there's
about a 22-28% strong support of the ODbL, a 16-20% view against it,
and the rest don't care.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread Tobias Knerr

On 13.06.2011 13:30, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote:
 A question for a real vote could be Do you think OSM should switch to
 ODbL?
 
 That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
 members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
 community by a different community member who had concerned over the
 first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.

http://wiki.osm.org/Open_Database_License has two vote results:
* the OSMF member vote
* a community vote that asks Will you accept the new licence ?

A search in my mail archives also found a link to this vote:
http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w
It's again about Will you accept the new licence ?

But where are these two community votes about the best license for OSM
(/not/ the mappers' decision about their own contributions) that I keep
hearing about?

It's entirely possible that I've just forgotten about them and can't
find them now among all the wiki pages and threads about the license
change. But couldn't you simply post a link to them?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

the official site should work:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/

the latest is this:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2
and the md5 is here:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2.md5

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread TimSC


On 13/06/11 12:30, Serge Wroclawski wrote:


That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
community by a different community member who had concerned over the
first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.
They're several years old now.
   
The community polls were post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing, 
unofficial and poorly worded. In legitimate democratic votes, the vote 
occurs BEFORE the decision to implement a plan takes place. It is 
tacitly acknowledged in that the mechanism in the CTs is different from 
what previously had happened. But really the past doesn't matter as much 
as what we do next.


Regards,

TimSC


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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II


Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
 
 Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
 taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
 decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
 sense to me..
 
This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on
whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of creating a
license and deciding whether we should switch.


Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
 
 Still, shortly thereafter (a couple of months later I believe), the
 another poll was taken  of all OSM members, OSMF or not, and the
 results were largely the same. This was done on the talk list.
 
 Then someone from the community against the ODbL felt the first poll
 may not have been entirely on the up and up, and made their own. And
 the results were nearly identical to the first two polls.
 
I ignored these unofficial polls as meaningless, and probably many others
did too (or didn't even know about them, not being on the talk list).


Here in Florida when they put a constitutional amendment on the ballot, it
has a brief description and a short summary of its effects. Applied to an
ODbL vote, this would comprise how the OSMF believes cc-by-sa is flawed and
the effect it will have on the contributions of those who do not agree to
the change.

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[OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-13 Thread TimSC



Hi all,
cc Richard Fairhurst,

I recently created a poll on doodle about how decisions are taken in 
OSM. I think this issue matters to many people. I put the poll in the 
news section on the front page of the wiki, so we can get a decent turn 
out and be able to draw some conclusions. Richard Fairhurst reverted 
that edit with the reason 'This is not remotely news. It's one person's 
hobbyhorse. By this reckoning I could post a news item every time I 
ask a question on the mailing lists'. [1]


This issue not just one person's hobby horse - its an issue that is very 
topical and very relevant. People actually bothered to vote, including 
significant people in the community. This shows people care. Also, OSMF 
is actively debating this issue and it would be invaluable to have some 
empirical data. If there was some documentation on guidelines on what 
constitutes news, Richard might have a point. (Admittedly some would 
rather get on and map and I wish them all the best - I am by no means 
stopping them.) It seems like the poll is going to be more valuable than 
a dozen circular discussions on the mailing lists...


So I ask any interested parties and Richard: please respond with a 
definition of what constitutes news and/or some reasoning that it is 
one person's hobbyhorse, otherwise I will revert you back. Also if you 
want to raise awareness of the poll, I would appreciate some support 
here! ;)


Regards,

TimSC

[1] 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Newsaction=history



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Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-13 Thread Dermot McNally

On 13 June 2011 14:41, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:

 So I ask any interested parties and Richard: please respond with a
 definition of what constitutes news and/or some reasoning that it is one
 person's hobbyhorse, otherwise I will revert you back. Also if you want to
 raise awareness of the poll, I would appreciate some support here! ;)

It was put very succinctly by somebody earlier - paraphrasing, you
know something is news if it's important enough that somebody other
than the person who did it thinks it's news. In a similar vein,
Wikipedia takes a dim view of people writing an article about
themselves.

We all have diary pages to publicise our OSM deeds that we think
people care about. If they actually do, somebody else will post it as
news.

Dermot

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Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst

TimSC wrote:
 This issue not just one person's hobby horse - its an issue that is very
 topical and very relevant.

Think you're missing an IMHO in there... and that's rather the point.

I can list plenty of things that I personally think are more topical and
relevant. I'm sure others on this list have their own lists. Do we all get
to put our subjective favourites at the top of the supposedly objective
list of News?

There are plenty of places where opinion can be aired in OSM. A box headed
News is not one of them.

 People actually bothered to vote, including
 significant people in the community. This shows people care.

Sure. I care too. I know people who've voted on that poll precisely to
show that they do not support your current crusade. I've chosen not to
vote for that same reason.

 Also, OSMF
 is actively debating this issue and it would be invaluable to have some
 empirical data. If there was some documentation on guidelines on what
 constitutes news, Richard might have a point.

Briefly flicking through the previous news items, they comprise things
like statistics (e.g. 400,000 registered users), software releases,
changes to the OSM website, new hardware etc.

Concrete changes, not discussion. I can't see any precedent for an
unofficial poll being placed there. If you want a box to encourage
discussion (because, after all, maybe people have just not noticed the
976234 channels we already have for it ;) ), maybe you could talk to the
wiki guys and get one set up. But 'tain't news.

Richard




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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread Stephan Knauss


On 13.06.2011 12:40, Borbus wrote:

On 13/06/11 11:29, Stephan Knauss wrote:

This seams to be the reason. Bing should not silently fall back to other
data but nag you to install Silverlight.


I'd rather it didn't because I'm not going to install Silverlight (in
fact I couldn't even if I wanted to).  It would be a lot better if it
was available in the normal javascript version.


As I have written or even better provide the tiles using the plain JS 
API as well.


As long as MS wants to promote Silverlight using the OSM layer they 
should at least not silently fall back to another map. So either serve 
OSM with plain JS or tell the user it won't.
Even experienced users like Jochen had been tricked into believing the 
Bing data was OSM.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread SteveC

Thats a kind of odd set of statements given... the random polls you're showing 
around...?

Steve

stevecoast.com

On Jun 13, 2011, at 13:53, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote:

 On 13/06/11 12:30, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
 
 That vote took place three times. It was done first by the OSMF
 members, then the community at large, and then separately by the
 community by a different community member who had concerned over the
 first poll. Check the archives, you'll find references to them.
 They're several years old now.
   
 The community polls were post-hoc rationalizing, window dressing, unofficial 
 and poorly worded. In legitimate democratic votes, the vote occurs BEFORE the 
 decision to implement a plan takes place. It is tacitly acknowledged in that 
 the mechanism in the CTs is different from what previously had happened. But 
 really the past doesn't matter as much as what we do next.
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

2011-06-13 Thread SomeoneElse


On 13/06/2011 16:34, Stephan Knauss wrote:


As long as MS wants to promote Silverlight using the OSM layer they 
should at least not silently fall back to another map. So either serve 
OSM with plain JS or tell the user it won't.




If you believe the news / rumour sites, they might not be insisting on 
Silverlight being the answer for everything for ever:


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20069319-17/microsoft-speak-up-about-silverlight-in-windows-8/

I've never used Bing maps for anything much because it always seems a 
bit too random - even now if I blindly click on the more map styles 
link I see on the front page you get a wikipedia entry for Stonehenge 
along with a crap quality map of it, and the information that it's 
11.58 miles to Pewsey.  The OSM April 1st map was logical by comparison.


Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] transparent road layer

2011-06-13 Thread Chris Hill


On 13/06/11 18:19, Rob Truxler wrote:

Hi Everyone
Does anyone know a map tile web service that produces transparent 
tiles with just roads and their labels and icons on them?  I'm hoping 
to use this layer with a background tileset that I already have. I'm 
open to using anything that is not in breach of a terms of service -- 
a custom mapnik server, a yahoo service, bing service, mapquest 
service, anything that has this feature. Does anyone know one? If not, 
is it feasible to set up a custom mapnik server that does this?

Thanks in advance, Rob

MapQuest have, I believe, a roads-only layer with name labels but it 
might not be documented. Ant Pegg (anttheli...@gmail.com) might be able 
to help you.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011/6/13 Zolt Egete xphreaks...@gmail.com:
 C:\Users\z.egete\tmp\osm2pgsqlosm2pgsql -U postgres -S default.style -d gisa 
 -H 10.1.1.63 D:\planet-100127.osm
osm2pgsql SVN version 0.69-21289M
 I have tried with (-s, -u as well separately and have used -C 3000 at one
 time but no success)
 Any hint about it ?


There is no way you can use it without the -s (slim) option if you
have just 3GB of RAM. I'd really consider using a smaller extract then
the planet (it would take weeks to import it even if you manage to do
it). My suggestion: download a pbf extract from geofabrik and cut a BB
with pbftoosm

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread Henk Hoff

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote:


 Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
 
  Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
  taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
  decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
  sense to me..
 
 This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on
 whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of creating a
 license and deciding whether we should switch.


Before everybody understands things differently.

The OSMF-membership vote *was* about moving to the ODbL and the (older
version of) CT.
Outcome: 98% of voters in favor of the proposed change, 2% against.

During the time of the OSMF-membership vote, there was also a vote initiated
by the community, which can be seen here:
http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w
Outcome: 75% would accept the new license, 11% undecided, 14% not (at that
time)

There has been similar polls by the community during that time with similar
results.

Both (the vote and the poll) show a large majority in favor of the proposed
change. Again: ODbL combined with CT.

This was done *before* all the new sign-ups were asked to sign the CT. Based
on this outcome of the membership-vote the process to change the license was
continued. The polls in the community were no reason to change this
decision.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mean high water level rendering

2011-06-13 Thread Richard Weait

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Ed,

 Given the renderening speeds we are seeing, I wonder if it would be possible
 to calculate and update OSM with actual estimated tide heights, say once
 every 5 minutes for coastlines of interest.

 Now just how flash (no to mention useful) would that be?

Well, yes, that would be something to see.  I predict that this will
show up in a SotM presentation, or on a third-party web service before
it is adopted, if ever, for osm.org.

One problem that would arise for anybody offering this service, is
that users will be tempted to reload often to see the current tide, to
just watch the water go up and down.  So you'll serve many more tiles
per user than a typical tile set.  Now, if you could render the
tides in the client, by fetching real time depth data, or by loading a
tide chart separately, ...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-13 Thread Jon Burgess

On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:04 +0200, Zolt Egete wrote:
 As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones
 but this is the only one which I could unpack (have used pbzunzip2,
 bzip2, bunzip2) but all the time I have got corrupt archive messages.
 Also the MD5 sum of the downloaded file where not consistent with the
 md5 hash sum from the servers (I do not yet know the reason why)
 
I think this is where your problem is.

With the recurring checksum issues you are seeing I would suspect that
something in your system is causing random data to be corruption. This
could be one of a thousand different things: a faulty RAM module, hard
drive cable, bad PSU, an over clocked or over heating CPU, bad PCI card
etc. Or it could be a software issue, such as a bad driver in the kernel
or X11. It can be really hard to identify the real cause but you could
try running memtest86+ or swapping around pieces of hardware.

I do not believe the files on the server are at fault. If they were then
I would expect to see many more complaints.

Until you can resolve the underlying data corruption issue then I don't
believe it is worth you trying different combinations of options with
osm2pgsql. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II


On 6/13/2011 5:54 PM, Henk Hoff wrote:


On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote:


Serge Wroclawski-2 wrote:
 
  Next, about a year later, a vote amongst OSMF membership was
  taken.This isn't the board, but the entire membership. Since it was a
  decision that was to effect the direction of the OSMF, this makes
  sense to me..
 
This was before my time, but from what I understand it was not a vote on
whether to switch to ODbL, but whether to start the process of
creating a
license and deciding whether we should switch.


Before everybody understands things differently.

The OSMF-membership vote *was* about moving to the ODbL and the (older
version of) CT.
Outcome: 98% of voters in favor of the proposed change, 2% against.


Can you link to the vote in the minutes?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 tutorial part 2 - tracing roads and areas

2011-06-13 Thread Parveen Arora

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:03 AM, David Ellams
osmli...@dellams.fastmail.fm wrote:

 I have finally got around to completing part 2 of the Potlatch 2
 video tutorial. This one is only just over three-and-a-half
 minutes, and covers tracing roads and areas from Bing aerial
 imagery. I have also renamed the video (and uploaded a retitled
 part 1) to “OpenStreetMap for Beginners” to make its intended
 audience more obvious.
Very good job, Well done.
I have also published the videos on my blog.
http://parveenarora.in/edit_maps_on_osm

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[OSM-talk] open bus map - the maintainers?

2011-06-13 Thread Robin Paulson

hi,
does anyone know who maintains the open bus map?

i discovered it earlier - fantastic work, something i'd looked for for
a while, but wanted to make a suggestion about rendering the bus
routes based on the colour stored in the relation details.

any ideas, the website has no contact details anywhere i can see

cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread Russ Nelson

Dermot McNally writes:
  Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between
  grudging acceptance or evangelical zeal. In particular, in direct
  democracy such as a referendum, small groups always design the
  question that will be put to the electorate, tuning it as required so
  it will command the support of a sufficient majority while still
  achieving the goal.
  
  If a sufficient majority votes yes (and this is often also referred to
  as supporting the referendum), it is carried. If close to 99% votes
  yes then it is common to talk of overwhelming support. Will some
  voters be grumbling that they didn't like how the question was posed?
  Sure they will. But the result is still binding, because that's how
  democratic decisions work.

Silly Dermot, nobody voted. People who wished their edits to remain,
or to continue mapping knowing that their edits will remain, accepted
the license -- BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHOICE.

Let me say that again, because this isn't the first time or the first
person who has misapprehended the situation: BECAUSE THEY HAD NO
CHOICE.  Let us not speak of democracy. Let us not speak of the
mandate of the masses. Let us speak of a small group of people who
control the domain names and servers, and let us point out that their
choice means more than the choice of any ten times as many people. Let
us not speak of majority rule. Let us speak of rule by the elite.

Has it ever been otherwise?

If you don't like this posting ... consider that you're probably one
of the elite. :P

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Re: [OSM-talk] Kothic JS - a full-featured JavaScript map rendering engine using HTML5 Canvas

2011-06-13 Thread Russ Nelson

Komяpa writes:
  Glad to announce the first release of Kothic JS map rendering engine.

And it's gorgeous, just gorgeous. The only thing wrong with it is that
the whole user interface of Firefox is written in JS. So when Kothic
is rendering a complex map, be prepared to wait for your browser to
pay attention to your clicks.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread Russ Nelson

Dermot McNally writes:
  On 11 June 2011 00:15, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   I think you're being deliberately obtuse

Nathan was being gracious. You ARE trolling. Stop it.

  That's amusing coming from somebody who thinks he can inhibit the use
  of data he has declared as PD, but let's carry on...
  
  Switzerland around the same time held a referendum on whether to ban
  the building of Minarets. I expect that many Muslims voted against the
  ban. The referendum was carried. No voters _are_ treated differently
  after the vote.

Very likely many non-Muslims voted against the ban. They were NOT
treated differently after the vote. Stop arguing that accepting the
license means anything more than accepting the license, Dermot. It
doesn't. In particular, I accepted the license because I know that if
I do not, then my (rather significant) contributions would be deleted,
and I would be banned from further contributions. I can and have
accepted the license without approving of it.

Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. That's an ugly thing to do.

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[OSM-talk] coastline broken ?

2011-06-13 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange

I made a modification in my country coastline (France).
I added a coastline for the Estuaire de la Gironde (estuary) that was
previously build on river banks (but it was incorrect, it was not a
river).
So i split the riverbank and made it natural=coastline.

But since (2 days) the rendering is bad (mapnik, openmapquest, bing) for
this portion at some zoom level...
Rendering has been update (the boundary associated is now correclty
render).

I check in the wiki and the coastline a made seems correct (the way was
connected to previous one end-to-end, the direction is OK...).

The map :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.1089lon=-0.6574zoom=13layers=M

The way added :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4544322

The relation for this portion of France coasline :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1104125

The QA tool coastline checker doesn't work :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline_error_checker

OSM Inspector (Water) do not show unconnected coastline :
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=waterlon=-0.68446lat=45.11871zo
om=12opacity=0.73overlays=bodies_of_water,bodies_of_water,broken_bow,v
map0_rivers,long_rivers,waterways_river,waterways_stream,waterways_drain
,waterways_canal,waterways_riverbank,waterways_other,waterways_width,wat
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nodes,coastline,coastline,simple_islands,coastline_nodes,rivermouths,coa
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Re: [OSM-talk] open bus map - the maintainers?

2011-06-13 Thread Matthias Meisser


Am 14.06.2011 05:45, schrieb Robin Paulson:

hi,
does anyone know who maintains the open bus map?

i discovered it earlier - fantastic work, something i'd looked for for
a while, but wanted to make a suggestion about rendering the bus
routes based on the colour stored in the relation details.

any ideas, the website has no contact details anywhere i can see

cheers,


Hi Robin,
it's Melchior Moos, but currently AFAIK he's lacking of time
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96pnvkarte

Thats the reason why other public transport projects had been started
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services#Public_Transport

bye
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Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?

That's a good question. I've just had a look at the ACTMAPI site that used
to have house/block numbers, but they've dissappeared.
I'l keep searching..

Nick

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  Hi Franc
 
  In Canberra we have a good example of the reverse problem - the
  not-yet-put-together street. (Horse Park Drive).
  It's been in two well seperated bits for years now and will be so for a
  couple more. And yes being on the wrong bit can be a big issue.

 Will the numbering clash when they get joined ?

 
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Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?

Ah-ha. I think there is a simple answer. Despite being a really long road/s
I don't think anyone actually lives on it. There's always space between it
and the houses, so I'm not sure there will ever be any 33 Horse Park Drive

Cheers
Nick

PS - ACTMAPI site must be under change, even the road names have gone
missing :-(

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  In Canberra we have a good example of the reverse problem - the
  not-yet-put-together street. (Horse Park Drive).
  It's been in two well seperated bits for years now and will be so for a
  couple more. And yes being on the wrong bit can be a big issue.

 Will the numbering clash when they get joined ?

 
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Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?

2011-06-13 Thread Franc Carter

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ah-ha. I think there is a simple answer. Despite being a really long road/s
 I don't think anyone actually lives on it. There's always space between it
 and the houses, so I'm not sure there will ever be any 33 Horse Park Drive

Ahh yes - I've come across this before when hunting for house numbers
- very confusing when it's not obvious that the houses are nunbered on
a different street

cheers


 Cheers
 Nick

 PS - ACTMAPI site must be under change, even the road names have gone
 missing :-(

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 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi Franc
 
  In Canberra we have a good example of the reverse problem - the
  not-yet-put-together street. (Horse Park Drive).
  It's been in two well seperated bits for years now and will be so for a
  couple more. And yes being on the wrong bit can be a big issue.

 Will the numbering clash when they get joined ?

 
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Re: [talk-au] nearmap LWG minutes

2011-06-13 Thread Richard Weait

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Andrew Harvey
andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm a bit late to the game but the one of the LWG minutes talks about 
 nearmap...

It isn't apparent from the link, but for the information of those
reading them here without checking the original document, the minutes
that you quote are from 14 September 2010

 From part 4 of the LWG minutes
 https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_83gvxm3xgdpli=1
- Automated deriving

[ ... ]
 Nor
 would I want to see them limiting CC-BY-SA derived works to those only
 uploaded to OSM (just like Microsoft is doing).

The Microsoft image donation did not happen until about two months later.

It was great to have Ben join us on the call to discuss Nearmap's
concerns.  Thanks for raising this topic again, Andrew.

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Re: [talk-au] Most insanely dissected street ?

2011-06-13 Thread John Berkers

Hi,

We've got a few roads around here (Narre Warren South/Lynbrook) that are
split and not yet joined.  One such road is Glasscocks Road, which runs
from Dandenong Frankston Road, through through Lynbrook and Narre Warren
South to Clyde Road in Berwick.  It is currently in three parts, and you
can visualise where it is planned to go in future.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-38.0687lon=145.2707zoom=14layers=M

It looks like there are a few hold-out land owners that have not yet sold
their properties for redevelopment, but as soon as they do, the road will
get filled in.

I'm not sure about property numbering at this point.  There are portions
of Glasscocks Road with houses on, some portions without.

Regards,

 Ah-ha. I think there is a simple answer. Despite being a really long
 road/s
 I don't think anyone actually lives on it. There's always space between it
 and the houses, so I'm not sure there will ever be any 33 Horse Park
 Drive

 Cheers
 Nick

 PS - ACTMAPI site must be under change, even the road names have gone
 missing :-(

 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Franc Carter
 franc.car...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi Franc
 
  In Canberra we have a good example of the reverse problem - the
  not-yet-put-together street. (Horse Park Drive).
  It's been in two well seperated bits for years now and will be so for
 a
  couple more. And yes being on the wrong bit can be a big issue.

 Will the numbering clash when they get joined ?

 
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Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 5500: Atualização de 12/06/2011

2011-06-13 Thread Guilherme Dagostin Donadel

Pessoal,
Em SC, apenas 3 cidades estão sem rota ( no route ), e estão sem rota
para todas as cidades polo,
elas estão mapeados oq faço pra inclui-las na rota?

obs: as cidades são Içara, Jaguaruna que ficam na regiao sul, regiao
que mais desenvolvo (será q estraguei algo?) e a cidade de Frei
Rogerio q eu n faço ideia de onde fica.

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li...@gimnechiske.org escreveu:
 Poder informa qui Espírito Santo e 91% conetado, mas tem muitos coneções
 laranja. Por enquanto faltar Bing para conetar este cidades. Alguns poder
 ajuda com outras fontes?

 Aun Y. Johnsen
 Sent from my iPad
 On 12. juni 2011, at 20:04, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fico feliz em ver que a situação dos municípios de Goiás está até boa!
 Poucas cidades com problemas.
 Vou dar uma olhada.
 Obrigado, Vitor!
 Flávio Henrique

 2011/6/12 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com

 Vejam a nova tabela: http://www.mapaslivres.org/brasil5500.html
 Agora com:
 - 80% das cidades brasileiras em análise;
 - exibição de rotas tortuosas;
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Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 5500: Atualização de 12/06/2011

2011-06-13 Thread vitor

Oi Aun,

Realmente, as imagens do interior do ES ainda nao estao com boa qualidade.

Neste caso o mapeamento tem que ser feito em campo, com GPS.

Nos outros estados ainda há muito a fazer, toda ajuda é bem vinda!

Abs,
Vitor

2011/6/12 Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org

 Poder informa qui Espírito Santo e 91% conetado, mas tem muitos coneções
 laranja. Por enquanto faltar Bing para conetar este cidades. Alguns poder
 ajuda com outras fontes?

 Aun Y. Johnsen
 Sent from my iPad

 On 12. juni 2011, at 20:04, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fico feliz em ver que a situação dos municípios de Goiás está até boa!
 Poucas cidades com problemas.
 Vou dar uma olhada.

 Obrigado, Vitor!

 Flávio Henrique


 2011/6/12 vitor  vitor.geo...@gmail.comvitor.geo...@gmail.com

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 http://www.mapaslivres.org/brasil5500.html

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Re: [Talk-br] Brasil 5500: Atualização de 12/06/2011

2011-06-13 Thread vitor

Oi Guilherme,

Para corrigir a rota, você deve clicar no link dela para ve-la no mapa da
Cloudmade, e aí ir movendo os pontos de partida/chegada até identificar em
qual ponto da rota nao é possível fazer conexao.

No caso de Içara, vi que a cidade está bem mapeada, mas as ruas estao sem
nenhuma tag. As rotas só podem ser calculadas em ways que tenham a tag
highway. Sugiro colocar as tags adequadas para ver se a rota é ajustada.

Caso você nao queria esperar pela próxima rodada do script, o JOSM tem um
plugin chamada routing, que pode te ajudar a debugar a rota em tempo
real.

Abs,
Vitor


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 Pessoal,
 Em SC, apenas 3 cidades estão sem rota ( no route ), e estão sem rota
 para todas as cidades polo,
 elas estão mapeados oq faço pra inclui-las na rota?

 obs: as cidades são Içara, Jaguaruna que ficam na regiao sul, regiao
 que mais desenvolvo (será q estraguei algo?) e a cidade de Frei
 Rogerio q eu n faço ideia de onde fica.

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 li...@gimnechiske.org escreveu:
  Poder informa qui Espírito Santo e 91% conetado, mas tem muitos coneções
  laranja. Por enquanto faltar Bing para conetar este cidades. Alguns poder
  ajuda com outras fontes?
 
  Aun Y. Johnsen
  Sent from my iPad
  On 12. juni 2011, at 20:04, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Fico feliz em ver que a situação dos municípios de Goiás está até boa!
  Poucas cidades com problemas.
  Vou dar uma olhada.
  Obrigado, Vitor!
  Flávio Henrique
 
  2011/6/12 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com
 
  Vejam a nova tabela: http://www.mapaslivres.org/brasil5500.html
  Agora com:
  - 80% das cidades brasileiras em análise;
  - exibição de rotas tortuosas;
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Re: [Talk-br] Imagens Aéreas do Estado de Minas Gerais

2011-06-13 Thread enqd

Olá Pessoal,

Tem alguém que mora em Belo Horizonte aqui na lista? recebi um email do IEF
que para receber as imagens aéreas de Minas Gerais, deve seguir o seguinte
procedimento (resposta que me foi dada):

Como não dispomos de mídias estamos solicitando que o demandante traga sua
própria midia.
Isto, no momento da solicitação e ao informar a área de interesse, o
atendente irá verificar o espaço necessário e informar ao solicitante para
agendar a execução da cópia.

Atenciosamente, Waldir J. Melo

Gerência de Monitoramento da Cobertura Florestal e da Biodiversidade
Diretoria de Pesquisa e Proteção à Biodiversidade
Instituto Estadual de Florestas - IEF
Edifício Minas (Andar 01 - Ala Par 01-084)
Cidade Administrativa Presidente Tancredo Neves
31 3915-1523
31 3915-1528

Seria muito interessante alguém requisitar esse material pessoalmente, pois
acredito que ainda irão demorar bastante para divulgar os arquivos nos seus
respectivos sites.

Em 8 de dezembro de 2010 14:02, enqd e...@ymail.com escreveu:

Samuel, você mora em Minas Gerais? se sim, seria interessante ligar lá,
para ter respostas mais específicas de como anda o processo. No email que
eles me enviaram tem as informações:

Guilherme C.V. Silva
Analista de Geoprocessamento
GEMOG/IEF/SISEMA
CAMG - Edificio Minas, 1 Andar
(31) 3915-1260
Email: gemog@meioambiente.mg.gov.br

gemog@meioambiente.mg.gov.brSe ligar lá, escreva aqui o teor da
conversa. Valeu

Em 8 de dezembro de 2010 13:56, enqd e...@ymail.com escreveu:

Olá Samuel, a resposta que obtive foi:

Olá

as imagens adiquiridas pelo Estado de Minas Gerais ainda não estão
disponiveis para download via internet pelo fato de ainda não está
finalizado o banco de imagens de Minas.

Estamos em processo de finalização deste banco.
Assim que disponivel será divulgado a todos.

Att:
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Analista de Geoprocessamento
GEMOG/IEF/SISEMA
CAMG - Edificio Minas, 1 Andar
(31) 3915-1260

Eu acho interessante enviar uns emails pressionando para que as imagens
sejam disponibilizadas o mais breve possível.
Acredito que essas imagens tb serão disponibilizadas no portal 3dmg que o
IGA irá lançar, veja:
http://iga.br/siteIGA/IGA_09_BancoNoticias.php?PedeNoticia=34

Em 8 de dezembro de 2010 13:30, Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.orgescreveu:

On Qua, 2010-11-24 at 12:00 -0200, enqd wrote:
Olá Pessoal de Belo Horizonte,

Recentemente descobri que o Governo de MG realizou no ano de 2009 um
pregão eletrônico para obter imagens aéreas de todo o Estado de Minas
Gerais. As informações sobre a licitação podem ser encontradas
aqui:
https://www1.compras.mg.gov.br/processocompra/pregao/consulta/dados/abaDadosPregao.html;jsessionid=A11C5FB587A72F2E9C402F4693504925?interfaceModal=truemetodo=visualizarid=3222estado=tabConsultaPregoes_paginaCorrente%3d1%26tabConsultaPregoes_ordenacao%3d1-1,2-1%26anoProcessoCompra%3d2009%26tipoPregao%3dPREGAO%26descricaoMaterialServicoOpcaoEOu%3dE%26localEntregaItemOpcaoEOu%3dE%26objetoLicitacaoProcesso%3dimagens%26descricaoLoteOpcaoEOu%3dE%26procedimentoContratacaoProcesso%3dPREGAO_ELETRONICO%26objetoLicitacaoPlanejamentoOpcaoEOu%3dE%26objetoLicitacaoProcessoOpcaoEOu%3dOU%26especificacaoItemMaterialServicoOpcaoEOu%3dEidPregao=3222

Eu entrei em contato por email com alguns setores responsáveis por
essas imagens, requisitando imagens de uma determinada área. O
Sr. Waldir J. Melo da Gerência de Monitoramento e Geoprocessamento -
GEMOG Instituto Estadual de Florestas - IEF me respondeu com o
seguinte email:
Envie um e-mail para gemog@meioambiente.mg.gov.br , solicitando
a área de interesse, informe sobre a necessidade/justificativa.

Eu enviei o email hoje, mas ainda não obtive resposta.

Se alguém dessa lista for de Belo Horizonte e tiver interesse nas
imagens, seria interessante fazer contato por telefone com o setor
responsável pelas imagens, que é: 31 3915-1270 ou 31 3915-1271 para
obter mais informações de como proceder.

Seria muito interessante obtermos essas imagens para servir de base no
mapeamento do Openstreetmap.

O que acham? Se alguém entrar em contato, poste aqui as informações
obtidas.

Olá,

Parecem interessantes sim, teve alguma resposta? É bom dizer no e-mail
que vamos usar pra traçar mapas sobre ele, para redistribuição sem
restrições.

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Re: [Talk-br] Imagens Aéreas do Estado de Minas Gerais

2011-06-13 Thread Samuel Vale

On Seg, 2011-06-13 at 18:33 -0300, enqd wrote:
 Olá Pessoal, 
 
 
 Tem alguém que mora em Belo Horizonte aqui na lista? recebi um email
 do IEF que para receber as imagens aéreas de Minas Gerais, deve seguir
 o seguinte procedimento (resposta que me foi dada):
 
 
 Como não dispomos de mídias estamos solicitando que o
 demandante traga sua própria midia.
 Isto, no momento da solicitação e ao informar a área de
 interesse, o atendente irá verificar o espaço necessário e
 informar ao solicitante para agendar a execução da cópia.
  
 Atenciosamente, Waldir J. Melo
  
 Gerência de Monitoramento da Cobertura Florestal e da
 Biodiversidade
 Diretoria de Pesquisa e Proteção à Biodiversidade
 Instituto Estadual de Florestas - IEF
 Edifício Minas (Andar 01 - Ala Par 01-084)
 Cidade Administrativa Presidente Tancredo Neves
 31 3915-1523
 31 3915-1528
 
 
 
 
 Seria muito interessante alguém requisitar esse material pessoalmente,
 pois acredito que ainda irão demorar bastante para divulgar os
 arquivos nos seus respectivos sites.

Nossa, tinha até me esquecido desse material. Posso ir até lá. Estou
relativamente perto, vou entrar em contato com o sr. Waldir para agendar
e ver o tamanho dessas imagens. Se não for algo grande demais, posso
tentar colocar em um servidor.

Ligarei pra eles na terça ou quarta, e vamos trocando e-mails.

Abraço,
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Re: [Talk-de] Wie verbessert man die qualitaet des routings in OSM? (war: Berliner Abbiegebeschränkungen)

2011-06-13 Thread Manfred A. Reiter

## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos
Am 10.06.2011 17:24 schrieb Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com:
 Hallo,


 Chris66 wrote:

 Am 03.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Chris66:

 Das Thema Routing ist leider noch immer ein Trauerspiel.

 Ja leider, das routing ist wirklich zum Teil noch etwas betruebend. Dabei
 duerfte routing vielleicht die Application sein mit der die meisten Leute
 OSM tatsaechlich benutzen und direkt davon profitieren.

 Mit programmen wie Skobbler, NAVFree, mapfactor navigator free,
 cyclestreets, garmin maps, Navit, GpsMid und diversen anderen routing
 Applications duerften inzwischen millionen von Leuten OSM tatsaechlich
fuers
 routing verwenden (zumindestens wenn man einige der Pressemeldungen
glauben
 schenkt die jeweils von mehreren millionen downloads der Programme
 berichten)

 Man liest in deren Foren auch immer wieder das User die von der Idee von
OSM
 ueberzeugt sind zu Mappern werden um sicher zu stellen das ihr Navi gut
 funktioniert. Es bietet also auch ein grosses Potential neue Mapper zu
 gewinnen.

 Routing ist also wohl inzwischen eines der grossen Aushaengeschilder von
OSM
 ausserhalb der Geek community. Da ist es besonders schade das Routing nach
 wie vor eines der schwaecheren Gebiete von OSM ist (moeglicherweise auch
da
 Routing eines der hoechsten Qualitaetsanforderungen an die Daten hat)

 Es ist wohl eine Kombination aus Fehlern in den Daten und Programmen die
 nicht ideal sind und nicht immer das maximum aus den Daten machen da sie
 nicht alle tags auswerten.

 Auf der Datenseite duerfte es vor allem die falsche Connectivity sein (
 siehe z.B.

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routinglon=10.32422lat=51.35395zoom=7
 ), sowie fehlendes tagging fuer turn-restrictions, maxspeed und andere
 Restrictions sein.

 Auf der programmatischen Seite, unterstuetzen leider immer noch viele der
 Router wichtige tagging Schemata wie eben turn restrictions, maxspeed und
 barrier nicht oder nicht richtig.

 Als drittes Problem sind dann inkonsistenzen im tagging, bzw schwer zu
 interpretierende Daten. Z.B. ein barrier=gate. Ist die Schranke
ueberwiegend
 offen und man sollte da durch routen, oder ist sie ueberwiegend
geschlossen
 und man kann nicht durch? Laender uebergreifend verschiedenes tagging ist
 auch nicht gerade hilfreich programmatisches daraus zu machen.

 Wie unterschiedlich die verschiedenen Routing engines zum Teil die
gleichen
 Daten interpretieren, kann man recht schoen auf
 http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/routing sehen, wo man die Ergebnisse
der
 vier grossen online routing engines (OSRM, Gosmore, MapQuest und
CloudMade)
 vergleichen kann.


 Eine Hoffnung die Situation weiter zu verbessern ist Routing in
 OpenStreetMap.org aufzunehmen. Indem Routing ein Teil der Homepage wird,
 erinnert es hoffentlich mehr Mapper das routingfaehige Daten ein wichtiger
 Bestandteil von OSM ist, und das sie mehr mit den Routern herumspielen und
 somit Fehler in den Daten entdecken die sie dann verbessern.

 Um dies voran zu bringen hat die Strategic Working Group mit
Unterstuetzung
 des OSMF boards entschieden das sie es gut heissen wuerde das Routing auf
 die Homepage gebracht wuerde und OSMF auch dafuer Hardwareresourcen zur
 Verfuegung stellen wird.

 Allerdings muss erst einmal die entsprechende Software fuer die
Integration
 programmiert werden und gut genuge routing backends vorhanden sein.
Derzeit
 gibt es zwei Ansaetze. Zum einen ein Patch von Nic Roets (
 http://nroets.dev.openstreetmap.org/demo/ ) und zum Anderen ein Patch von
 Soren / Frederick den ich zum auspropieren mal auf den Dev server gestellt
 habe ( http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/routing ). Beide benoetigen aber
 noch einiges an Arbeit bevor sie tatsaechlich integriert werden koennten.
So
 dass es wohl noch eine Weile dauern wird.


 Welche anderen Moeglichkeiten gibt es die OSM Daten besser routingfaehig
zu
 machen?


 Chris66 wrote:

 Navi-Apps Test in der aktuellen C'T:

 Ist der Artikel irgendwo einsichtbar? Erhaelt der Informationen um mehr
 darueber zu erfahren wo die C'T die Schwaechen sieht? Sind es eher die
 Software schwaechen, oder eher fehlerhafte Daten die die Herabstufungen
 verursacht haben?


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Re: [Talk-de] Wie verbessert man die qualitaet des routings in OSM? (war: Berliner Abbiegebeschränkungen)

2011-06-13 Thread Manfred A. Reiter

Sorry für posting ... war Fehlbedienung :-(

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[Talk-de] Gibt es eine Zukunft für eine Straßenlistenauswertung?

2011-06-13 Thread koppenho


Hallo,

es war einmal (so fangen alle guten Märchen an) zwei 
Straßenlistenauswertung von Florian Lohoff und Sven Anders. Das waren 
gute und hilfreiche Services, die viele von uns vermissen, denn sie 
leben heute leider nicht mehr.
Zuerst konnte Florian Anfang des Jahres sich wegen beruflicher 
Veränderungen nicht mehr weiter um osm.gt.owl.de kümmern.
Dann hat auch Sven seinen Straßenvergleich aufgeben müssen, da der 
Service nicht mehr mit dem stetig wachsenden Datenvolumen mithalten konnte.
Wir danken Euch beiden für Eure ritterlichen Anstrengungen nach einer 
Ordnung im Datenwust zu suchen.


Aber ist das Märchen damit zu Ende?
Das wäre schade.

Ich habe schon überlegt, mich selbst in dieser Richtung zu engagieren 
und einem solchen Dienst eine neue Zukunft zu geben, die Geschichte 
fortzuführen. Aber ich schaffe das zeitlich nicht.


Fühlt sich sonst jemand berufen, das Märchen weiter zu erzählen?

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

2011-06-13 Thread Manuel Reimer


Henning Scholland wrote:

Hallo Manuel,
ich würde dafür Maperitive nehmen. Du lädst dir den Bereich über die
XAPI herunter und lädst sie in das Programm. Den Mapnik-Stil ist dort
der Default. Es gibt auch einen Stil, der die klassischen Stadtpläne
nachahmt. Der dürfte sich im wiki finden lassen. Sonst meld' dich
einfach nochmal.


Danke für den Tipp, aber ehe ich mir Mono installiere, gefriert die Hölle zu.

Keiner eine Idee, wie es mit Mapnik funktioniert?

Gruß

Manuel


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[Talk-de] You and your projects at OKCon

2011-06-13 Thread Daniel Dietrich

Dear all,

As you will be aware OKCon 2011 is approaching fast: June, 30th  July, 1st

We are delighted to announce the release of the OKCon 2011 programme:

http://okcon.org/2011/programme

We are also thrilled about the fantastic line up of speakers:

http://okcon.org/2011/speakers

OKCon will be buzzing with open knowledge and open data enthusiasts and is an 
excellent opportunity to meet people and do thins! It's also a great place to 
distribute promotional items to get people involved in your projects. If you 
have banners, flyers, posters or stickers to promote a projects we will gladly 
help to find space to display them at the venue. 

If anyone would like to post items to Germany ahead of the conference, please 
send them to the OKF Germany office and we will make sure they get to the 
conference venue for you. 

OKF Deutschland, Prenzlauer Allee 217, 10405 Berlin, Germany

To make sure members of the community, working groups and community ambassadors 
don't miss out, we have created the special *discount code*: OKBERLIN for a €5 
discount on your ticket. Simply enter the code when registering at 
http://okcon2011.eventbrite.com/

We look forward to meeting you at our wonderful venue, Kalkscheune: 
http://www.kalkscheune.de/en

All the best
Daniel


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[Talk-de] Karte zum heutigen Mühlentag (PR)

Ähnlich wie die OpenPlaygroundMap sollte zum heutigen 
Datum der Launch einer OpenMillingMap (oder so) für 
findige Kartenbastler ein Leichtes sein.

Hintergrund:

http://www.mt-online.de/start/letzte_meldungen_aus_der_region/4593515_Minden-Luebbecke_1500_Muehlen_zum_bundesweiten_Muehlentag_geoeffnet.html

Vermutlich wird die Karte erst im letzten Jahr helfen - aber eine
Zeitungsmeldung wäre so ein Launch vielleicht wert.

http://www.muehlen-dgm-ev.de/dmt/index.php
http://www.muehlen-dgm-ev.de/dmt/poster-2011.pdf

Viel Spaß beim Zaubern,
Gruß
Ralf

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[Talk-de] PR: June 16, Bloomsday: Pubs in Dublin

A good puzzle would be to cross Dublin without passing a pub.
-James Joyes, Ulysses 

Am 16. Juni findet wieder der Bloom's Day statt:

http://www.geographic.ie/opinion/bloomsday-2010-to-cross-dublin-without-passing-a-pub/

Eine gordische Lösung erfolgte Jahre später, indem einfach jeder Pub
betreten (und damit nicht einfach passiert) wurde.

Im angegebenen Blog wird der Tag für einen Aufruf genutzt, fehlende Pubs
in OSM einzutragen.

Inzwischen könnte eine vielbeachtete Zeitungsmeldung sein: Openrouteservice 
Openstreetmap lösen das Rätsel von Joyce, einen Weg durch Dublin zu finden,
der an keinem Pub vorüberführt

Gibt es einen solchen Routingauftrag, der bestimmte Punkte meidet (Autobahnen
oder Mautstellen meiden ist ja bereits implementiert)?

Nur so als Anregung,
Ciao
Ralf


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Re: [Talk-de] PR: June 16, Bloomsday: Pubs in Dublin

2011-06-13 Thread Dermot McNally

2011/6/13 RalfGesellensetter r...@gmx.de:
 A good puzzle would be to cross Dublin without passing a pub.
 -James Joyes, Ulysses

Viele Dublin Pubs fehler noch auf OSM, aber User rorym hat sich mit
genau diesem Thema beschäftigt. Bislang ohne eine passende Strecke zu
finden.

Als Voraussetzung soll eine gültige Strecke vom Royal Canal bis zum
Grand Canal verlaufen.

Dermot

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

Hallo,
Am Montag 13 Juni 2011 11:21:50 schrieb Manuel Reimer:
 Henning Scholland wrote:
  Hallo Manuel,
  ich würde dafür Maperitive nehmen. Du lädst dir den Bereich über die
  XAPI herunter und lädst sie in das Programm. Den Mapnik-Stil ist dort
  der Default. Es gibt auch einen Stil, der die klassischen Stadtpläne
  nachahmt. Der dürfte sich im wiki finden lassen. Sonst meld' dich
  einfach nochmal.

Ich lese immer wieder XAPI, aber jedes mal, wenn ich das Ding benutzen will, 
ist sie nicht erreichbar. Ist die Doku veraltet, oder mache ich was falsch?
(asking libproxy about url 
'http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=10.0,53.6,10.1,53.7')
...
2011-06-13 15:43:59 FEHLER 503: Service Unavailable.
:-(

 
 Danke für den Tipp, aber ehe ich mir Mono installiere, gefriert die Hölle
 zu.
:-D
 
 Keiner eine Idee, wie es mit Mapnik funktioniert?

Schau dir mal QuantumGis an.

Arbeitet auch direkt mit OSM-Files, gute deutschsprachige Anleitung, recht 
einfach zu verstehen.

Leider nicht unbedingt ein Vorbild an Stabilität, deshalb oft 
zwischenspeichern  (!@*#@!$$@@!)

Gruß, Wolfgang


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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

2011-06-13 Thread Henning Scholland


Hallo,
ich nutze die xapi von mapquest, wenn ich sie mal brauchen sollte:

http://open.mapquestapi.com/xapi/api/0.6/*[bbox=...]

Henning


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[Talk-de] Kicker-Kneipe (pub features wie Billiard, Dart usw.)

Liebe Liste,

unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub
fehlen m.E. jegliche Hinweise auf das Taggen von Billard-
oder Tischfußball-Einrichtungen in Kneipen.


amenity=billard 
oder 
amenity=kicker/table_soccer

oder
 

sport=billiards oder
leisure=darts?

Ich konnte dazu leider im Wiki nichts finden.

Danke
ralf

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Re: [Talk-de] Gibt es eine Zukunft für eine Straßenlistenauswertung?

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Trautmann

On 11-06-13 11:09, koppenho wrote:

 Ich habe schon überlegt, mich selbst in dieser Richtung zu engagieren
 und einem solchen Dienst eine neue Zukunft zu geben, die Geschichte
 fortzuführen. Aber ich schaffe das zeitlich nicht.

Es müsste so aufgesetzt werden, dass es automatisch ablaufen kann.

Gibt es von den gut 11 000 deutschen Gemeinden insgesamt schon alle
Gemeindegrenzen? Das ist ein grober Anhaltswert.

Oder gibt es von den zigtausend Ortschaften passende Ortsgrenzen?

Falls wir die Gemeinden noch nicht haben, dann sollte das zumindest von
den 2055 Städten als Anfang vorliegen.

Schönen Gruß
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[Talk-de] Erwassen von Erdwällen (Knicks)

2011-06-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck




 Moin !

habe gestern gerade gesehen das mapnik [3] auch lineare Objekte mit dem 
Tag barrier=hedge [2] rendert. Nun bin ich aus dem Wiki nicht ganz 
schlau geworden. Wenn ich das Bild richtig interpretiere, dann sieht das 
aus wie eine gartentechnische Hecke als Abgrenzung eines Grundstücks.


In OSM sind die verwendeten hedges allerdings in der Regel mehr als 
Feldertrennung zu interpretieren - wir Norddeutschen sagen dann da mehr 
Knick [1] (bewachsener Erdwall) zu - würde ich auch gerne in die Karten 
(insbesondere nach Bing) aufnehmen, da die Karten dann mehr einen 
topografischen Charakter bekommen - oftmals werden da jetzt schmale 
Flächen mit natural = scrub oder landuse = forest als Ersetz verwendet.


Hier jetzt meine Fragen:

* ist barriere = hedge auch als Knick zu interpretieren ??

* kann es zu routing Problemen kommen wegen dem barriere ??

* man kann in Feldern damit gut etwas darstellen - aber wie ist das 
wegebegleitend ? Hier führt dieses sicherlich zu Zeichenproblemen und 
durch die Kompaktheit zu Renderproblemen - deshalb die Frage ob nicht im 
Bereich von Wegen ein Way-begleitendes Tag wie bei den Radwegen [4] 
passen wäre ?? Beispiel: highway=track  hedge = both / right / left ?


Eure Gedanken und Auffassungen ??

Gruß Jan :-)



[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallhecke

[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:barrier%3Dhedge

[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.83298lon=10.66997zoom=16 (ab 
Zoomlevel=16)


[4] 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Advanced_footway_and_cycleway



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Re: [Talk-de] Erwassen von Erdwällen (Knicks)

Am 13. Juni 2011 19:09 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net:
 In OSM sind die verwendeten hedges allerdings in der Regel mehr als
 Feldertrennung zu interpretieren - wir Norddeutschen sagen dann da mehr
 Knick [1] (bewachsener Erdwall) zu - würde ich auch gerne in die Karten
 (insbesondere nach Bing) aufnehmen, da die Karten dann mehr einen
 topografischen Charakter bekommen - oftmals werden da jetzt schmale Flächen
 mit natural = scrub oder landuse = forest als Ersetz verwendet.

 Hier jetzt meine Fragen:

 * ist barriere = hedge auch als Knick zu interpretieren ??


barrier=hedge ist laut wiki A hedge is a line of closely spaced
shrubs and tree species, planted and trained in such a way as to form
a barrier or to mark the boundary of an area. also in etwa: eine
Reihe dicht gepflanzter/gewachsener Büsche und Bäume die so
gepflanzt/zugeschnitten sind, dass sie ein Hindernis bilden oder eine
Fläche begrenzen/markieren.


 * kann es zu routing Problemen kommen wegen dem barriere ??


wenn die Hecke sich mit einem Weg schneidet über den geroutet werden
soll, dann evtl. schon. Wäre allerdings schlechtes mapping, da Wege
nicht (ohne Öffnungen) durch Hecken führen, bzw. wenn doch, dann wäre
es ja auch richtig dass der Router das bemerkt.

 * man kann in Feldern damit gut etwas darstellen - aber wie ist das
 wegebegleitend ? Hier führt dieses sicherlich zu Zeichenproblemen und durch
 die Kompaktheit zu Renderproblemen


das sollte fürs Mappen eigentlich egal sein, oder?


 - deshalb die Frage ob nicht im Bereich
 von Wegen ein Way-begleitendes Tag wie bei den Radwegen [4] passen wäre ??
 Beispiel: highway=track  hedge = both / right / left ?


m.E. sind sämtliche dieser begleitenden tags im Grunde unerwünschte
Notbehelfe, von daher würde ich das nicht verwenden. Tags sollten sich
auf das beziehen was gemappt ist, nicht auf das, was daneben liegt.

Gruß Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

2011-06-13 Thread Manuel Reimer


Wolfgang wrote:

Arbeitet auch direkt mit OSM-Files, gute deutschsprachige Anleitung, recht
einfach zu verstehen.


Noch eine dumme Frage, bevor ich (mal wieder) umsonst Software kompiliere: Damit 
kann ich dann auch den Mapnik-Standard-Stil, wie man ihn von openstreetmap.org 
kennt, als Basis nehmen?


Gruß

Manuel


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Re: [Talk-de] Kicker-Kneipe (pub features wie Billiard, Dart usw.)

Am 13. Juni 2011 18:26 schrieb RalfGesellensetter r...@gmx.de:
 Liebe Liste,

 unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub
 fehlen m.E. jegliche Hinweise auf das Taggen von Billard-
 oder Tischfußball-Einrichtungen in Kneipen.


 amenity=billard
        oder
 amenity=kicker/table_soccer

 oder


 sport=billiards oder
 leisure=darts?


ich finde das auch durchaus taggenswert, aber ich würde das eher in
Form eines Attributs machen. Amenity finde ich extrem ungeeignet, und
auch sport oder leisure als Haupttag sind nicht m.E. weniger geeignet.
Eher als subtags.
wie wärs mit
table_soccer=yes / Anzahl (z.B. 1, 2, etc.)

das könnte man problemlos an jede Kneipe / Vereinsheim, Sportheim,
Jugendclub, etc. dazutaggen, ohne dass es sich mit den anderen tags in
die Quere kommt.

Bei billiard sollte man zumindest pool und carom unterscheiden, es
gibt aber da zig Varianten:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cue_sports_terms
der generische Ausdruck ist wohl cue_sports. Man muss aber nicht
unbedingt für alle Varianten gleich einen Tag vorschlagen, such
erstmal was für die Variante, die Du brauchst (evtl. pool) und lass
den Rest sich entwickeln.

Gruß Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

2011-06-13 Thread Frederik Ramm


Hi,

Manuel Reimer wrote:
Wie aber verfahre ich weiter. Postgresql will ich *nicht* verwenden. Ich 
möchte direkt aus einem exportierten OSM (Sehr kleine Fläche. Etwa zwei 
Quadratkilometer) rendern. Als Basis hätte ich aber gerne die 
Stylesheets, die auch auf openstreetmap.org genutzt werden. Wenn mein 
Ergebnis dem entspricht, dass auf OSM.org zu sehen ist,


Dann fuehrt um Mapnik UND Postgis kein Weg herum.

Maperitive hat Stylesheets, die so aehnlich aussehen, aber nicht 
gleich sind, und braucht, wie Du bereits gelesen hast, Mono.


QGis kann OSM-Daten lesen, kann aber auch nicht direkt die echten 
Mapnik-Styles verwenden, sondern hat eigene Style-Definitionen.


Das gleiche gilt fuer Osmarender und Mapgen.pl, zwei weitere 
unabhaengige Kartenrenderer, die beide wieder ihre ganz eingenen 
Stilvorschriften haben.


Mapnik kann zwar auch direkt aus OSM-Files rendern, aber dafuer koennen 
nicht die normalen Styles benutzt werden, denn die gehen davon aus, dass 
die Daten so vorverarbeitet sind, wie osm2pgsql das tut.



- Wo bekomme ich die Stylesheets?


Die Mapnik-Styles sind in 
svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik. Es gibt da auch den 
Stil von openstreetmap.de.


- Wie muss ich diese anpassen, dass damit aus einer OSM gerendert werden 
kann?


Wie gesagt, das ist praktisch unmoeglich oder wuerde *sehr* viel 
Handarbeit bedeuten. Wesentlich mehr als die voruebergehende 
Installation einer PostGIS.


- Wie lasse ich Mapnik das ganze als großes PNG erstellen. Ich brauche 
*keine* Tiles!


nik2img.py ist dafuer gut geeignet.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-de] Gibt es eine Zukunft für eine Straßenlistenauswertung?

2011-06-13 Thread Walter Nordmann

alles da,

nächste Frage bitte ;)

Gruss
walter

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Re: [Talk-de] Gibt es eine Zukunft für eine Straßenlistenauswertung?

2011-06-13 Thread fx99


Martin Trautmann wrote:
 
 Gibt es von den gut 11 000 deutschen Gemeinden insgesamt schon alle
 Gemeindegrenzen? Das ist ein grober Anhaltswert.
 
 Oder gibt es von den zigtausend Ortschaften passende Ortsgrenzen?
 
 
Auch dies war eine der nützlichen Beiträge von Sven Anders: Die Prüfung von
Verwaltungseinheiten
gegen die offizielle Nummer und die Konsistenz der Daten.
In den südlichen BL sind die Gemeinden vollständig erfasst, im Norden und im
Osten sieht
es nicht ganz so gut aus,.


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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

Am 13. Juni 2011 19:56 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:

 - Wie muss ich diese anpassen, dass damit aus einer OSM gerendert werden
 kann?

 Wie gesagt, das ist praktisch unmoeglich oder wuerde *sehr* viel Handarbeit
 bedeuten. Wesentlich mehr als die voruebergehende Installation einer
 PostGIS.


und einiges würde trotzdem nicht einfach so gehen, z.B. das Sortieren
der Flächen nach Größe vor dem Rendern. Postgres zu benutzen heisst ja
nicht, dass man gleich mit riesigen Datenmengen umgeht, im Gegenteil,
bei kleinen Gebieten macht es wesentlich mehr Spass, weil man da nur
mal eben ne Minute warten muss, und nicht gleich 2 Wochen, bis die
Daten drin sind.

Wenn man das nicht will, wäre vielleicht Osmarender eine Alternative,
da kann man hinterher das Ergebnis (z.B. Überlappungen) ganz gut von
Hand nachbearbeiten.

Apropos: ich kämpfe gerade auch mit Postgres: ist es normal, dass ein
kleiner Server (8 GB Ram, Platten nur 7200 U/min ohne Raid, Prozessor
Intel Xeon Dual core) für 6 Stunden diffs (ca. 400K nodes) einspielen
14 Stunden braucht? Oder habe ich da irgendwo Mist gebaut? Der Import
hatte auch schon weit über ne Woche gedauert. Ich habe die
extra-attribute drin (lediglich Version der Objekte), dann hstore mit
allen tags und coastlines (sollte nicht viel ausmachen). Wenn ich mir
mit htop die Nutzung ansehe, dann komme ich nicht über ca. 700 MB im
RAM (das sollte in etwa den shared buffers entsprechen), ich habe
jetzt mal die option -C 7500 dazugenommen (node cache), bringt aber
nicht viel und den RAM nutzt er trotzdem nicht. Wo könnte ich denn da
noch was tunen, oder ist mit der Kiste sowieso kein Land zu gewinnen?
Die db hat nach dem Import ca. 670GB auf der Platte belegt, während
des initialen Imports sogar zeitweise (mit tmp-tabellen) ca. 960 GB.

Die Prozessoren langweilen sich die meiste Zeit (osm2pgsql, ca. 3-5%
Auslastung) während auch bei Osmosis (changefiles) nur einer wirklich
auf 100% läuft, der andere dümpelt da auch (bzw. ist da das Verhalten
zyklisch: mal ist einer ganz ausgelastet und der andere nicht, dann
laufen beide auf ca. der Hälfte, das wechselt sich alle paar
Sekunden/Minuten ab).

Für Tipps wäre ich sehr dankbar.

Gruß Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] Gibt es eine Zukunft für eine Straßenlistenauswertung?

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Trautmann

On 11-06-13 20:12, fx99 wrote:

 Oder gibt es von den zigtausend Ortschaften passende Ortsgrenzen?


 Auch dies war eine der nützlichen Beiträge von Sven Anders: Die Prüfung von
 Verwaltungseinheiten
 gegen die offizielle Nummer und die Konsistenz der Daten.
 In den südlichen BL sind die Gemeinden vollständig erfasst, im Norden und im
 Osten sieht
 es nicht ganz so gut aus,.

Niedersachsen, Schleswig-Holstein und Meckpomm fehlen also weiterhin?

Schönen Gruß
Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] Gibt es eine Zukunft für eine Straßenlistenauswertung?

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Trautmann

On 11-06-13 20:07, Walter Nordmann wrote:
 alles da,
 
 nächste Frage bitte ;)

sicha?
Martin

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[Talk-de] alternativen und Linienbegleitend

2011-06-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck


Am 13.06.2011 19:39, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:

Am 13. Juni 2011 19:09 schrieb Jan Tappenbecko...@tappenbeck.net:

In OSM sind die verwendeten hedges allerdings in der Regel mehr als
Feldertrennung zu interpretieren - wir Norddeutschen sagen dann da mehr
Knick [1] (bewachsener Erdwall) zu - würde ich auch gerne in die Karten
(insbesondere nach Bing) aufnehmen, da die Karten dann mehr einen
topografischen Charakter bekommen - oftmals werden da jetzt schmale Flächen
mit natural = scrub oder landuse = forest als Ersetz verwendet.

Hier jetzt meine Fragen:

* ist barriere = hedge auch als Knick zu interpretieren ??



barrier=hedge ist laut wiki A hedge is a line of closely spaced
shrubs and tree species, planted and trained in such a way as to form
a barrier or to mark the boundary of an area. also in etwa: eine
Reihe dicht gepflanzter/gewachsener Büsche und Bäume die so
gepflanzt/zugeschnitten sind, dass sie ein Hindernis bilden oder eine
Fläche begrenzen/markieren.




= wäre dann für soetwas landuse=forest als way und NICHT als AREA 
passender  ???






* kann es zu routing Problemen kommen wegen dem barriere ??



wenn die Hecke sich mit einem Weg schneidet über den geroutet werden
soll, dann evtl. schon. Wäre allerdings schlechtes mapping, da Wege
nicht (ohne Öffnungen) durch Hecken führen, bzw. wenn doch, dann wäre
es ja auch richtig dass der Router das bemerkt.


* man kann in Feldern damit gut etwas darstellen - aber wie ist das
wegebegleitend ? Hier führt dieses sicherlich zu Zeichenproblemen und durch
die Kompaktheit zu Renderproblemen



das sollte fürs Mappen eigentlich egal sein, oder?


  - deshalb die Frage ob nicht im Bereich

von Wegen ein Way-begleitendes Tag wie bei den Radwegen [4] passen wäre ??
Beispiel: highway=track  hedge = both / right / left ?



m.E. sind sämtliche dieser begleitenden tags im Grunde unerwünschte
Notbehelfe, von daher würde ich das nicht verwenden. Tags sollten sich
auf das beziehen was gemappt ist, nicht auf das, was daneben liegt.



Dann könnte aber jeder Renderer die Signatur an den Rand des Weges 
setzen - es bestündet eine art topologischer Zusammenhang !


Gruß Jan :-)


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Re: [Talk-de] Krankenhausgebäude und -fläche korrekt taggen

2011-06-13 Thread Johann H. Addicks

Am 09.04.2011 16:36, schrieb Benedikt Schwarz:

 Ich will ein Krankenhaus (=Gebäude) und das weitreichende Grundstück des
 Krankenhauses taggen. Soll man nun das Krankenhausgebäude oder die
 Krankenhausfläche mit amenity=hospital taggen?

Jetzt hatte es diesen Irrsinn mit dem halben Dutzend Krankenhaus-Icons
auf einem kleinen Kartenausschnitt auch schon zur besten Sendezeit im
gerade laufenden ARD-Tatort... (Illustration, wo in der Story die
Handies von Verdächtigen geortet worden sein sollen)

-jha-



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Re: [Talk-de] Krankenhausgebäude und -fläche korrekt taggen

2011-06-13 Thread Johann H. Addicks


p.s.  Diesen Auszug gab's in Z15:
http://osm.org/go/0MGgqLbd--

-jha-


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Re: [Talk-de] Gibt es eine Zukunft für eine Straßenlistenauswertung?

2011-06-13 Thread Igor Podolskiy


Hallo zusammen,

On 13.06.2011 20:18, Martin Trautmann wrote:

On 11-06-13 20:12, fx99 wrote:


Oder gibt es von den zigtausend Ortschaften passende Ortsgrenzen?



Auch dies war eine der nützlichen Beiträge von Sven Anders: Die Prüfung von
Verwaltungseinheiten
gegen die offizielle Nummer und die Konsistenz der Daten.
In den südlichen BL sind die Gemeinden vollständig erfasst, im Norden und im
Osten sieht
es nicht ganz so gut aus,.


Niedersachsen, Schleswig-Holstein und Meckpomm fehlen also weiterhin?


glücklicherweise nicht mehr.

Im Rahmen eines Projektes, was in den nächsten Tagen online geht 
(Shapefile-Erzeugung für Grenzen) habe ich mich gerade mit der 
Auswertung von administrativen Grenzen beschäftigt.


Nahezu alle politisch selbständigen Gemeinden und gemeindefreien 
Gebiete, die im Gemeindeverzeichnis des Statistischen Bundesamtes 
(GV100AD) enthalten sind, sind in OSM vorhanden. Yay! :)


Die einzige Ausnahme ist das Land Niedersachsen, wo noch Grenzen zu 
einigen Dutzdend Gemeinden fehlen. MV und SH sind vollständig vorhanden 
(jetzt ist nur noch die Frage, in welcher Genauigkeit, aber das ist eine 
gnz andere Frage).


Alle Länder (admin_level=4), Regierungsbezirke (5), Regionen in BW (n/a) 
und Landkreise (6) sind da. Gemeindeverbände (admin_level = 7) sind noch 
sehr lückenhaft erfasst. Mit den Ortsteilen (admin_level  8) habe ich 
mich bisher nicht beschäftigt, kann dazu also nichts sagen.


Zu dem allgemeineren Thema: Straßenlisten kann ich vielleicht nicht 
bieten, das ist bei mir momentan out-of-scope, aber eine Überwachung der 
Grenzenerfassung demnächst schon.


Wie gesagt, ich bringe die Seite in wenigen Tagen online, dann könnt ihr 
selbst schauen. Eine einfache Liste mit den fehlenden Gemeinden kann ich 
morgen schnell mal online stellen, wenn Interesse besteht.


Viele Grüße
Igor

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[Talk-de] Radwanderkarte - like Wanderkarte

2011-06-13 Thread o...@tappenbeck.net


hi!

es gibt ja so eine tolle Wanderkarte als Webseite 
(http://hiking.lonvia.de/de) - gibt es soetwas auch für Radwege bzw. ist 
in Planung.


Wenn ich mich recht erinne hatte sich jemand in den Aufzeichnungen zur 
Fossgis 2011 dazu erkundigt als Sarah ihren Beitrag abgeschlossen hatte.


Gruß Jan :-)

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Re: [Talk-de] Karte zum heutigen Mühlentag (PR)

2011-06-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck


Am 13.06.2011 13:17, schrieb RalfGesellensetter:

Ähnlich wie die OpenPlaygroundMap sollte zum heutigen
Datum der Launch einer OpenMillingMap (oder so) für
findige Kartenbastler ein Leichtes sein.

Hintergrund:

http://www.mt-online.de/start/letzte_meldungen_aus_der_region/4593515_Minden-Luebbecke_1500_Muehlen_zum_bundesweiten_Muehlentag_geoeffnet.html

Vermutlich wird die Karte erst im letzten Jahr helfen - aber eine
Zeitungsmeldung wäre so ein Launch vielleicht wert.

http://www.muehlen-dgm-ev.de/dmt/index.php
http://www.muehlen-dgm-ev.de/dmt/poster-2011.pdf

Viel Spaß beim Zaubern,
Gruß
Ralf

hi !

wenn ich meine xapi wieder einmal vernünftig in den nächsten Wochen zum 
laufen bekomme, dann könnten wir darüber reden wenn die form von 
osm.tappenbeck.net/aed ausreichend ist.


schickst du mir die tags und icons mache ich das - aber ein vollautom. 
update kann es dann allerdings nicht geben.


sollte ich mich nicht melden - einmal nachbohren.

gruß Jan :-)


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Re: [Talk-de] Erwassen von Erdwällen (Knicks)

Hallo,
Am Montag 13 Juni 2011 19:09:01 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck:

 
 * ist barriere = hedge auch als Knick zu interpretieren ??
 

Nein. Hedge ist Hecke, Hecke != Knick.

Ein Knick ist eine Wallhecke und sieht völlig anders aus als eine herkömmliche 
Hecke im Garten oder Park. Ich meine, davon sind in SH auch schon einige 
getaggt worden.

barrier = hedge_bank 
1396 Einträge bisher.

Das Thema hatten wir aber schon mal...

Gruß, Wolfgang

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

Hallo,
Am Montag 13 Juni 2011 19:38:34 schrieb Manuel Reimer:
 Wolfgang wrote:
  Arbeitet auch direkt mit OSM-Files, gute deutschsprachige Anleitung,
  recht einfach zu verstehen.
 
 Noch eine dumme Frage, bevor ich (mal wieder) umsonst Software kompiliere:
 Damit kann ich dann auch den Mapnik-Standard-Stil, wie man ihn von
 openstreetmap.org kennt, als Basis nehmen?
 
Damit kannst du (nahezu) jeden Stil realisieren. Die Arbeit steckt aber nicht 
im kompilieren, das Ding ist für nahezu jedes OS fertig downzuladen. Die 
Arbeit steckt darin, dass du den Stil aus Layern erst selbst zusammensetzen 
musst.

Dafür hast du dann aber auch exakt deinen Wunschstil.

Gruß, Wolfgang

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Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenbereich aus API-Export rendern

Hallo,
Am Montag 13 Juni 2011 20:17:28 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:

 
 Für Tipps wäre ich sehr dankbar.
 

Nur so ein Schuss ins Blaue:

Wenn du in einer vorhandenen Datenbank größere Mengen importieren/updaten 
willst und die Quelle zuverlässig genug ist, spart es viel Zeit, wenn man 
vorher alle Indices löscht und alle constraints etc außer Betrieb setzt. Ich 
weiß nicht, wie weit das in deiner Konstellation bereits geschieht.

Nach dem Import werden sie alle wieder erzeugt/aktiviert. Wenn der Import 
sauber läuft, spart das u.U. sehr viel Zeit. Wenn nicht, hast du anschließend 
keine Langeweile mehr...

Eventuell sollte man zunächst alles innerhalb einer Transaktion laufen lassen.

Gruß, Wolfgang

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[Talk-de] Nominatim-Suche nach Windmühlen // Re: Karte zum heutigen Mühlentag (PR)

Hi Jan,

danke für dein nettes Angebot. Ich dachte aber schon 
an etwas dynamisches.

Die Spielplätze findet Nominatim (die OSM Suchmaschine) inzwischen
problemlos - allerdings fehlt noch eine Anzeige aller Treffer auf
einer Karte (ich kann immer nur einen anklicken, der dann dargestellt 
wird).

Das gleiche würde für Windmühlen funktionieren, wenn ein entsprechender
Eintrag im Translation-Wiki stände (ich habe mich dort registriert,
aber offenbar noch nicht ausreichende Rechte).

Das Tag wäre jedenfalls: man_made=windmill, es gibt (wie bei Burgen)
auch den Zusatz: ruins=yes (dafür gibt es aber noch kein Symbol mit
abgeknickten Flügeln...)

Ciao
Ralf


P.S. Deine Karte zu AED kannte ich noch gar nicht - kann aber sicher
Leben retten, wenn es darauf ankommt! Die Seite gefällt mir insgesamt
sehr gut.

P.P.S.: Der nächste Mühlentag ist erst in 1 Jahr - in 3 Tagen ist
in Dublin Bloomsday - vielleicht gibt es bis dahin ja noch eine
aktuelle Pub-Map ;)

Am Montag, 13. Juni 2011 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck:

 hi !
 
 wenn ich meine xapi wieder einmal vernünftig in den nächsten Wochen zum 
 laufen bekomme, dann könnten wir darüber reden wenn die form von 
 osm.tappenbeck.net/aed ausreichend ist.
 
 schickst du mir die tags und icons mache ich das - aber ein vollautom. 
 update kann es dann allerdings nicht geben.
 
 sollte ich mich nicht melden - einmal nachbohren.
 
 gruß Jan :-)
 


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Re: [Talk-de] Krankenhausgebäude und -fläche korrekt taggen

2011-06-13 Thread Garry


Am 13.06.2011 21:16, schrieb Johann H. Addicks:

p.s.  Diesen Auszug gab's in Z15:
http://osm.org/go/0MGgqLbd--
Ich sehe da nichts schlimmes daran - ein halbes Dutzend (jedes mit einer 
gewissen Eigenberechtigung) auf ein paar Hektar verteilt, kommt nur in 
grösseren

Städten vielleicht 2-3mal/Stadt vor - wo ist das Problem?

Garry

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Re: [Talk-de] Resorts = landuse=residental ??

2011-06-13 Thread Garry


Am 09.06.2011 20:30, schrieb Wolfgang:


Ich habe ja nicht behauptet, Hotels und Büros sind fast das gleiche ;-)

Deine aufgezählten Unterschiede gelten gegenüber Wohnraum noch viel mehr:
Anzahl der Bäder/Steigstränge, Geschosshöhen, Achsmaße, Nebenräume, Service-
Angebote. Nicht alle Büros sind nachts leer, und es soll auch den Büroschlaf
geben ;-)

Gleichheit mit Wohnungen: Es wird übernachtet und gegessen.

Gleichheit mit Büros: Es wird kommerziell betrieben, die Leute (Personal)
kommen zur Arbeit, es wird am Tage und nachts gearbeitet, es gibt Büroräume
für die Verwaltung und für die Gäste, die dort häufig auch arbeiten, ...

Es gibt natürlich auch das Urlaubshotel, in dem die Gäste am Pool liegen. Aber
auch hier wird gearbeitet, Geld umgesetzt, Dienst geleistet etc.
Beim Hotel steht das (zeitbegrenzte) Wohnen im Vordergrund, die 
Dienstleistungen der Angestellte
hängen damit direkt zusammen und bleiben im Haus. Bei Bürobauten wird 
die Dienstleistung in der Regel

für Kunden ohne Zusammenhang mit den Baulichkeiten erbracht.
Sonst müsste man ja auch Wohneinheiten mit Räumlichkeiten für 
Hausmeisterdienste den comercialszuordnen...


Garrry

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