Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
Thank you for the information. Frankly I heard about Vespucci, but I was not sure what this app does. Now I will definitively give Vespucci a try. It is much better to have two or more excellent mobile maps and editors than none. Best regards, Oleksiy On 21.06.2016 8:20, Simon Poole wrote: Ma

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Simon Poole
The problem is not with people that know what the conceptual trade-offs are and if they so want could generate a more current map. That know that they might be duplicating existing data and that will not be upset when it promptly gets zapped. Try softening the experience for a well meaning newbie o

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Simon Poole
Am 20.06.2016 um 23:49 schrieb Andrew Harvey: > On 20 June 2016 at 22:48, Oleksiy Muzalyev > wrote: >> Maps.me editor has got the principal difference from other editors, - it can >> be used without an active Internet connection. > I've been editing in JOSM for years and just started editing w

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Andreas Vilén
I'm using Go Map for quick editing on the go. It's only available for IOS though: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!! It's pretty much as powerful as iD (at least to my knowledge, I never use iD for anything more complicated than adding poi's or changing tag values) and pretty easy to use

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
2016-06-20 19:14 GMT-03:00 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > On 06/20/2016 11:49 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: >> The down side of course is that the Maps.me data isn't updated very >> frequently so I might be duplicating data which has been added after >> Maps.me last generated the data extracts, > > Isn't Map

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/20/2016 11:49 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > The down side of course is that the Maps.me data isn't updated very > frequently so I might be duplicating data which has been added after > Maps.me last generated the data extracts, Isn't Maps.me Open Source - could not someone else simply make

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
I've been using Maps.me myself and find it easy to add shops - although I'm missing many presets (I change them when I come home to the right one but other users will not do that generally). Maps.me was perfect for one activity that is usually painful - updating shops inside Iceland's largest

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 20 June 2016 at 22:48, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > Maps.me editor has got the principal difference from other editors, - it can > be used without an active Internet connection. I've been editing in JOSM for years and just started editing with Maps.me, and the fact that it's very fast and easy t

[OSM-talk] Invitation to Rio de Janeiro Olympics Mapathon

2016-06-20 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Hi folks, I'd like to invite you to virtual mapping party - a mapathon - happening this weekend (June 25th and 26th), about Rio de Janeiro area. We need your help to create a better map for the city hosting the Olympic and Paralympic Games. Please head to the wiki page for more details: https://w

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Tomas Straupis
>> My main point is to get back to reservoir/basin being tagged as "landuse" > why would that be desirable? There will always be more than one opinion on which naming of tags is "better" because there is no "universal best way" (unless it's "42"). What I'm striving for is STABILITY for taggin

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Andreas Vilén
Look at this edit:http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4253750089/history Is it not possible to use "special" characters lika åäö in the Maps.me app? Also, why is it suggesting adding opening hours to a school? Post codes are also a little dubious, since those aren't open data in Sweden and can norma

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-20 17:48 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > another issue: housenumber added to a building. This is not going to work > in Italy, because every entrance of a building gets it's own housenumber. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/242789192 > maybe there is more to this (like pre-compiled

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
another issue: housenumber added to a building. This is not going to work in Italy, because every entrance of a building gets it's own housenumber. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/242789192 Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org ht

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-20 17:30 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine : > The simple fact is that there is not a consistent structure for > identifying 'landcover' on OSM and even natural=wood and landuse=forest > make it difficult to decide what is naturally occurring and what is man > made. > landuse=reservoir is a lot more

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-20 15:03 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > I guess an example of what I am seeing as a poor quality edit, > http://osm.org/changeset/40156579 > > An embassy called Rachel? > Mistagging of a Monument? > well, this seems to be more the kind of "test" some newbies think they have to perform to r

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Lester Caine
On 20/06/16 15:38, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> > Il giorno 20 giu 2016, alle ore 12:04, Tomas Straupis >> > ha scritto: >> > >> > My main point is to get back to reservoir/basin being tagged as "landuse" > > why would that be desirable? Basically landuse is a property of land, and > general

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 20 giu 2016, alle ore 12:04, Tomas Straupis > ha scritto: > > My main point is to get back to reservoir/basin being tagged as "landuse" why would that be desirable? Basically landuse is a property of land, and generally it's not very clear how to apply (it de

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
I guess an example of what I am seeing as a poor quality edit, http://osm.org/changeset/40156579 An embassy called Rachel? Mistagging of a Monument? Phil (trigpoint) Phil On Mon Jun 20 12:52:13 2016 GMT+0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 11:26 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
Maps.me editor has got the principal difference from other editors, - it can be used without an active Internet connection. It means it is possible now to map in wilderness, in mountains, while traveling without worrying about roaming fees. Couple of years ago I used the Google maps on smartpho

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2016-06-20 at 11:26 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2016-06-19 22:35 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > > As for the maps.me, I am glad that foreign names issue is basically > > the only one that most people agree on. > > > > there are lots of different issues, and even if many of them have

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Tomas Straupis
> You need to decide if you want to abolish the water=* or if you just > prefer using waterway=riverbank instead of natural=water + > water=river - which does not in any way conflict with the water=* tag. Once again: I do not want to abolish water=*. My main point is to get back to reservoir/

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 20 June 2016, Tomas Straupis wrote: > > > > If you want to eliminate use of water=* from OSM you'd need to > > convince the community of this. A formal proposal can be used but > > without convincing arguments on the matter this stands little > > chance in being approved. > > I do not

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 20 June 2016, you wrote: > > I'd like to add to this that on a semantic / natural language level, > waterway=riverbank (deliberately ignoring long standing, widespread > use and acceptance) would seem to indicate a riverbank, i.e. the bank > of a river, or in other words, the area along a

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-20 11:29 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis : > My main point is that existing tagging (especially widely used one) > should not be changed unless it gives some ontological benefit (new > features/properties being added, features split etc.). > actually you do not have to change any existing tag

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-20 11:34 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis : > > actually the way it was before HAD big issues, you could not even state > if > > something was a lake or just the basin of a fountain (most kind of water > > areas just mapped as natural=water). > > Everything what can be mapped with new water sche

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Tomas Straupis
> actually the way it was before HAD big issues, you could not even state if > something was a lake or just the basin of a fountain (most kind of water > areas just mapped as natural=water). Everything what can be mapped with new water schema can be (and is) mapped with old schema. The proble

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-20 11:14 GMT+02:00 Tomas Straupis : > I do not want to „eliminate“ water=* > I want to go back to the situation before the water proposal - with > landuse=reservoir, waterway=riverbank, landuse=basin, etc. etc. As it > used to be, and as it was and is still being mapped. > actually t

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Tomas Straupis
> I'd like to add to this that on a semantic / natural language level, > waterway=riverbank (deliberately ignoring long standing, widespread use and > acceptance) would seem to indicate a riverbank, i.e. the bank of a river, or > in other words, the area along a river, which will occassionally but

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-19 22:35 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > As for the maps.me, I am glad that foreign names issue is basically the > only one that most people agree on. > there are lots of different issues, and even if many of them have not yet commented on them, I still believe they do have the potential to ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Tomas Straupis
> You are either deliberately or due to misinformation distorting things > here. The water=* is widely used and accepted, there are >700k uses in > line with the proposal (an additional 255k for the deprecated > water=intermittent). > > The waterway=riverbank tag is considered equivalent to natura

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-20 10:48 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann : > If you want to do something productive you could clean up the frequent > occurences of duplicate and sometimes contradicting tags on member ways > and multipolygon relations for river mapping. One of the problems of > the waterway=riverbank tag is

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Monday 20 June 2016, Tomas Straupis wrote: > 2016-06-19 23:35 GMT+03:00 Ilya Zverev: > > <...> the proposal about water=* was > > accepted by 16 mappers, and if you have a problem with that, then I > > agree that we should change our proposal process, but in all these > > years nobody has even s

Re: [OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Lester Caine
On 20/06/16 08:54, Tomas Straupis wrote: > Accepted by 16(!) wiki editors but ignored by thousands of mappers. > 5 years after acceptance according to tagwatch: > "new" tag usage > water=reservoir 79937 > water=riverbank 1085 > > "old" tag usage > landuse=reservoir 387793 > waterwa

[OSM-talk] Failed water proposal reversal

2016-06-20 Thread Tomas Straupis
2016-06-19 23:35 GMT+03:00 Ilya Zverev: > <...> the proposal about water=* was > accepted by 16 mappers, and if you have a problem with that, then I agree > that we should change our proposal process, but in all these years nobody > has even started. Accepted by 16(!) wiki editors but ignored by

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Rory McCann
On 17/06/16 17:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > From my point of view, even as an experienced OSM mapper, it is > currently almost impossible to make meaningful edits (in well mapped > areas) with this app Not everywhere is "well mapped". :) I've personally used maps.me for quick simple edits in

Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

2016-06-20 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
One of the fundamental principles of the Red Cross and Red Crescent is Impartiality: "It makes no discrimination as to nationality, race, religious beliefs, class or political opinions" [1]. I could not find anything about impartiality neither at the OpenStreetMap Foundation Core principles an