[OSM-talk-ie] Did you add Electoral Divisions or DEDs to OSM?

[Brian Hollinshead]

If you did, can you please remember what date applied and what sources were
used?

It was recently remarked that some of the Dublin ones were only dated 1901.
As I added quite a few of them using the 1901 census index because I knew
no better, I am curious as to what was used across the country.

If I had access to those countrywide ED sources I would like compare some
with my 1901 boundaries to see how closely, if at all, they match. With
hindsight, nationwide conformity would be good. If changes or replacements
are needed it would be nicer to do it during the remaining two weeks rather
than after liberation.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townlands.ie project

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Colm,

Seeing your list of Dublin Eds dated 1901, reminded me that I had most
likely added the bulk of the Dublin Eds and had used the 1901 census index.
Overpass shows 15 dated 1901. I suspect all that I added were 1901 even if
not so tagged.

To have the Dublin EDs conform to the rest of the country please let me
know what date the other counties are and confirm what source I should now
use.

I can then quietly keep any that match and re-date them or remove those
that don’t and replace them. The sooner the better.

Thanks

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 21:00, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While this project is substantially complete, a few things arise. None of
> my comments below are criticism of any of the people who have contributed.
>
> Some administrative areas have been broken and /or deleted. See examples
> below. If I find missing administrative areas could someone volunteer to
> add them?
>
> The diagnostic page https://www.townlands.ie/progress/ is throwing up
> lots of issues, e.g. it looks for County Derry but the name in OSM is
> County Londonderry.
>
> Some of the text on the Townlands.ie website is out of date, e.g. it
> refers to the project as being current.
>
> The menu at the bottom doesn't seem to include all the main pages, e.g.
> https://www.townlands.ie/progress/
>
> Colm
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Dublin City
> Mansion House B ED
> Merchants Quay F ED
> Rathmines East C ED
>
> Fingal
> Barberstown townland (between Blancharstown and Lucan).
> Northwest corner EDs - Balscadden, Clonmethan, Garristown, Hollywood -
> only the 1901 versions exist.
> Overlap between Kilsallaghan ED and The Ward ED.
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
>
> Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
>
> South Dublin
> No apparent problems.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townlands.ie project

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Colm,
I will look at the three Dublin City ones tomorrow.


On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 21:00, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While this project is substantially complete, a few things arise. None of
> my comments below are criticism of any of the people who have contributed.
>
> Some administrative areas have been broken and /or deleted. See examples
> below. If I find missing administrative areas could someone volunteer to
> add them?
>
> The diagnostic page https://www.townlands.ie/progress/ is throwing up
> lots of issues, e.g. it looks for County Derry but the name in OSM is
> County Londonderry.
>
> Some of the text on the Townlands.ie website is out of date, e.g. it
> refers to the project as being current.
>
> The menu at the bottom doesn't seem to include all the main pages, e.g.
> https://www.townlands.ie/progress/
>
> Colm
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Dublin City
> Mansion House B ED
> Merchants Quay F ED
> Rathmines East C ED
>
> Fingal
> Barberstown townland (between Blancharstown and Lucan).
> Northwest corner EDs - Balscadden, Clonmethan, Garristown, Hollywood -
> only the 1901 versions exist.
> Overlap between Kilsallaghan ED and The Ward ED.
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
>
> Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown
> Off-shore islands not in any townland.
>
> South Dublin
> No apparent problems.
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[OSM-talk-ie] Area/perimeter of Dublin City 1780 to 1985

[Brian Hollinshead]

Some time ago I tried to establish the areas/perimeters for nine versions
of Dublin City from 1780 to 1985.Have recently found some results but am
unsure if they are acres/hectares/sq kms and for the perimeters. etc.
I list them below and would ask if one of you could please solve this for
me and remind me how to do it in JOSM or QGIS. I am still at the early
stages of QGIS 3.14.

Date  Relation  AreaPerimeter?

1780  6725196 19.12021.719
1838  6725400 25.73725.016
1849  6099274 24.98324.691
1900  5720101 54.66371.699
1930  5638979 131.396  124.907
1941  6726372 132.115  124.907
1942  6726471 152.840  168.425
1953  6741826 198.223  173.407
1985  1109531 198.356  123.333?
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Some of the 3300 parks in OSM Ireland are just patches of grass.

[Brian Hollinshead]

I understood that adding to the amount of land area that was
classified with a landuse category was a good addition to the map. My
research showed that we have some 3,300 patches of land mapped but excluded
from the landuse tag.
For private citizens or public officials seeking data from OSM for
structured park areas (with planting /benches.sports/keep fit apparatus
etc) it makes the parks easier to find if they are tagged as landuse=park
as well as leisure=park. I am interested in a few examples please, showing
how you tag these areas when mapping in your home country.

I note you suggest removing the leisure=park tags. I feel it would be
presumptive of me to consider that those who used the tag some 3,300 times
to have been mistaken or ill-judged in what they did. without me knowing
the local conditions.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 13:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie <
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>
>
>
> Oct 18, 2020, 11:59 by br...@hollinshead.net:
>
> > As part of my researches into what features we have on OSM that might
> > interest someone wishing to make use of outdoor facilities, I find on the
> > Island of Ireland we have close to 3,300 parks to choose from, wow!
> > (leisure=park). On closer inspection I find that many of these in South
> > Dublin at least are green areas of grass in housing estates, maybe 4
> houses
> > long by 8 houses wide. I tend to tag those as per the presets with
> > landuse=grass.
> >
> I would remove leisure=park from them. Note that some people added
> fake parks to manipulate outcomes in Pokemon Go that is
> using OSM data.
>
> >  Yesterday I ran overpass landuse=park and got nil response!
> >
> Good!
>
> > This morning I have added landuse=park to about 24 of the parks already
> on
> > OSM and listed as parks by DLR, South Dublin and Fingal.
> >
> What is the point of this duplicate of leisure=park?
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[OSM-talk-ie] Some of the 3300 parks in OSM Ireland are just patches of grass.

[Brian Hollinshead]

As part of my researches into what features we have on OSM that might
interest someone wishing to make use of outdoor facilities, I find on the
Island of Ireland we have close to 3,300 parks to choose from, wow!
(leisure=park). On closer inspection I find that many of these in South
Dublin at least are green areas of grass in housing estates, maybe 4 houses
long by 8 houses wide. I tend to tag those as per the presets with
landuse=grass. Yesterday I ran overpass landuse=park and got nil response!
This morning I have added landuse=park to about 24 of the parks already on
OSM and listed as parks by DLR, South Dublin and Fingal. I have not removed
any tags. I was unable to do Dodder valley, Tolka Valley, St Catherines or
Millenium Blanchards town. If you are inclined please do. I propose
re-tagging any simple grass areas in Estates in South Dublin that I know of
as landuse=grass unless I hear that is a bad idea and to be avoided? Your
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[OSM-talk-ie] Poor Law Unions and Electoral Divisions (EDs or DEDs)

[Brian Hollinshead]

Poor Law Unions and Electoral Divisions (EDs or DEDs) v Townlands and Civil
Parishes

While the coverage for Townlands and Civil parishes is splendidly almost
nationwide, Sadly the same is not the case for Poor law Unions (PLUs) and
EDs. I have added several dozen PLUs in recent months, mostly up the west
coast using groups of existing EDs but have now run out of EDs,
particularly in the North East. To complete some of the PLUs I have added
about 20 EDs in Fermanagh and Armagh.

I wonder if there is any appetite among mappers to participate in a project
to fill in the remaining outstanding Eds. As an example in the Union of
Armagh there are eight Registrars Districts which are made up of about 27
Eds. Each ED can be composed of between ten and forty townlands.

The ‘Select dissolved members’ plugin, by John Kennedy in Kildare, for JOSM
very quickly allows the listed townlands to be downloaded and then
dissolves the internal boundaries leaving only the new complete external
boundary. Child’s play to use.

The EDs  and the Registrars Districts used for recording Births Marriages
and Deaths are of interest to historians and genealogists . If there is
interest I suggest a pilot project to complete Poor Law Union No. 4, Armagh.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

I apologise for causing so much discussion. When I contemplated using  an
auto edit to change some 686 cases of mistaken tagging from anglican=Church
Of Ireland to anglican=Church of Ireland.

On reading from the links Mateusz sent I see that even for acceptable usage
the following applies
Quote

You should normally document your proposed edit at an English-language wiki
page named "Automated edits/username" (where *username* is the OSM user
name of the account that you will be using to perform the edits - think
about this *now* so that you don't have to rename the page later), and add
it to Category:Automated edits log
.

Your documentation should state:

   - Who is making the change (preferably your real name and how to contact
   you, ideally e-mail address)
   - Your motivation for making the change and why it is important
   - A detailed description of the algorithm you will use to decide which
   objects are changed how
   - Information about any consultation that you have conducted, with links
   to mailing list/forum posts or Wiki discussion pages
   - When the change was made, or how frequently it is going to be repeated
   - Information on how to "opt out"
   - Approved Bots should have a wiki page that with the name of your bot
   as the title. They should also have a user account of the same name with
   clear links between the user account and the wiki page.
   -
   - Unquote
   -
   - I accept this may all be desirable and neccessary but I just
   don't feel like embarking on all these requirements and so have abandoned
   any thoughts of auto edit.

I have instead decided to manually correct my mistakes and have since cured
some 250 of them and will see it through. Thank you..

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:21, Andy Mabbett 
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> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 21:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie
>  wrote:
> >
> > For start note
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> > - but fixing your own edits falls under one of exceptions
>
> It says:
>
> Acceptable usage
>
> Correcting your own work. If you know that you made a systematic
> mistake then you may correct this systematically using an automated
> process. Do however be aware of the risk that your process changes
> data beyond the scope you intended.
>
> For cases such as the one currently under discussion, "Correcting your
> own work" should be changed to, say, "Correcting your own work (or
> that of another individual, at their express request)".
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thank you, Mateusz, for the details of the guidelines and the rules
regarding acceptable usage when using auto edits. I fully understand the
needs for these but as so much is involved including the creation and
maintenance of a new wiki page, which is quite outside my experience, I
have decided to edit the tags manually and individually in JOSM having
imported those needing correction in bulk.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 21:07, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie <
talk-ie@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> For start note
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> - but fixing your own edits falls under one of exceptions
>
> Typical such edit would use Overpass Turbo
> ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo ) to
> find elements for editing and exporting it to either JOSM or level0.
>
> In JOSM one may use usual filter/search/mass edit tools.
>
> In level0 one may copy text description to file and use regular
> search and replace and then copy back and save.
>
> Note that in both cases one needs to follow rules for automated edits and
> be
> careful.
>
> Sep 18, 2020, 17:12 by br...@hollinshead.net:
>
> > During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
> > Parishes to OSM.
> > I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead
> of
> > anglican=Church of Ireland.
> >
> > You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
> > Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at
> one
> > fell swoop?
> >
> > It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I
> have
> > some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to
> learn
> > this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks for looking at this. Using only the wizard in Overpass
type=boundary and anglican="Church Of Ireland" now gives me 685.
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Y9d

type=boundary and anglican="Church of Ireland" gives me 751.

Will look at your steps in the morning Donal, need to eat and relax.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 16:56, Donal Hunt  wrote:

> I've only found 612 objects...
>
>
>1. Open JOSM.
>2. Go to Preferences and ensure "expert mode" is turned on.
>3. Click on "Download data".
>4. Choose "Download from Overpass API"
>5. Enter your query.  e.g. 
>
>[out:xml][timeout:90];
>{{geocodeArea:Ireland}}->.searchArea;
>(
>  nwr["type"="boundary"]["anglican"="Church Of
>Ireland"](area.searchArea);
>);
>(._;>;);
>out meta;
>
>6. Download your data.
>7. Select all your data (Ctrl+A).
>8. Find the key that you care about (e.g. "anglican") and then right
>click.
>9. Select "Search key/value".
>10. This gave me 612 objects.
>11. I can then change the name and upload the changes.
>
>
> Would be good to validate that the above is correct...
>
> Donal
>
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 16:14, Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
> > Parishes to OSM.
> > I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead
> of
> > anglican=Church of Ireland.
> >
> > You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
> > Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at
> one
> > fell swoop?
> >
> > It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I
> have
> > some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to
> learn
> > this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I
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[OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
Parishes to OSM.
I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead of
anglican=Church of Ireland.

You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at one
fell swoop?

It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I have
some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to learn
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townlands in Monaghan

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Colm,
 Please sent link to page you refer to.
Thanks

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 13:13, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Aren't the Wikipedia Category pages auto-generated? If a page doesn't
> exist for the barony, it won't be listed.
>
> Notably Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown and South Dublin appear to be completely
> unpopulated on that page.
>
> Colm
>
> PS Apologies for including a chunk of the digest in my previous email.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019

[Brian Hollinshead]

As mapper of these and nearby parts I find that Colm Donoghues question
raises more issues than the one he lists.

My prime source for the townlands was the GSGS3906 overlay in JOSM and at
the time I had access to the 1901 Census index of townlands.

The Boundary commission map. I notice that while they do not show the three
Islands (Colt’s Island, Shennick’s Island and St Patrick’s Island), they do
further south include Ireland’s Eye. In any case when adding the LEAs I
paid no heed to their map as the maps in the report are clearly marked
copyright Ordnance Survey Ireland / Government of Ireland and I believed I
was therefore not allowed to include any data from them.

Holmpatrick ED. In the General Register Office Report No 17 of May
1885,(National Library Ref A11972), the three islands are clearly listed as
part of Holmpatrick Civil Parish, Holmpatrick ED Balrothery Poor Law Union
etc. Maybe there was legislation since that? *Please if anyone knows of
such legislation or of a newer or better definitive source of ED detail
please do shout out loud*.

LEA boundaries as on OSM. When I added these, the only way I knew was by
making a relation comprised of the existing external pieces of the
constituent Eds. Bit by bit, like a daisy chain. As a result I make the
mistake of excluding the external bits. Not only did I miss the islands but
also about 7 acres of a loose part of Jordanstown, ( the yellow spot on the
west of the Fingal map), and ditto the loose 6 acres of Rallekaystown off
the south edge. I will now correct my errors and add them next week unless
somebody volunteers a better source of detail.

Now some real good news, to add external boundaries of several areas as
one, use John Kennedys brilliant new 2020 ‘select dissolved members’ plugin
for Josm in the relation box menu. Thanks John.

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 21:43, Colm Donoghue  wrote:

> The map of Holmpatrick LE district is different on
> https://www.townlands.ie/holmpatrick/ than the map on
> http://www.boundarycommittee.ie/Maps/Fingal%20LEA%20Report%20Map%202018.pdf
>
> The skerries arent included on the boundary commission map, but are on
> townlands/osm
>
> Which is correct?
> Colm
>
>
> Ar Sath 12 MFómh 2020 ag 12:16, scríobh Colm Moore <
> colmmoor...@hotmail.com
> >:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think Brian's approach is reasonable. I would make sure they are tagged
> > with dates, even so far as adding the date to the name.
> >
> > Colm
> >
> >
> >
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[OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019

[Brian Hollinshead]

Under Si 615 of 2018 many of the LEAs in Dublin were altered. After
creating the new ones, I added historic=yes and end dates to the ones that
were changed and left boundary=political as the category. see
openstreetmap.org/relation/4655804.
Please is this the preferred method at large, and if not what is? Perhaps I
need to change the 24 I did this with.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Heritage Week 2020

[Brian Hollinshead]

I get 404 page not found if I use the linK?

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 13:59, Tadeusz Cantwell  wrote:

> As part of Heritage Week 2020, we plan to join mappers and local history
> enthusiasts to enhance the neglected midlands.
>
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[OSM-talk-ie] Munster boundaries

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Apologies, had forgotten to upload new page. Munster now on line.
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[OSM-talk-ie] New Munster Boundaries page, thanks for your help

[Brian Hollinshead]

Using 400Mb of OSM data, some 4.8m lines of text, I have added a new
Munster Boundaries page to dublinhistoricmaps.ie. albeit incomplete as yet.
Huge thanks to the dozens of you who contributed this data to OSM,
particularly the initial townlands and civil parishes.
A nice addition is the filter feature which will search for and display all
of the 17,000 townlands whose names start with the same combination of
letters. Similar pages for Connacht and Ulster are in preparation. I hope
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Overpass query?

[Brian Hollinshead]

John and Donal, This made it so easy. In under eleven minutes I loaded all
87 civil parishes into Josm and Excluding the four in Ardfert, there was
one duplicate name, selected the 83 I wanted, the downloaded all the
members, then using John's select the dissolved members I created a new
Diocese of Cork relation, changed the three enclaves from outer to inner ,
uploaded the file and sat back. So much easier than any other method.
many thanks for your interest.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 12:30, John Kennedy  wrote:

> Hi Brian.
> Does this work?
>
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TnN
>
> I attempt to gather all CPs in Cork.
> Then all CPs in the mapped dioceses.
> Then take the difference.
>
> But I just query by area name - this could be tightened further.
>
> Rgds/
>  - John
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 09:20, Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Donal,
> > Thanks for having a go at that overpass query. Your offer showed the
> > Diocese of Ardfert which has perhaps six Cork civil parishes. I had not
> > included it in my enquiry for fear of complicating it further.
> >
> > If you run overpass, include all County Cork on screen and use wizard:
> > boundary=historic_diocese, the resultant white space is the Diocese of
> Cork
> > (1837)  from which i wish to load all the civil parishes into JOSM for
> > further progress.
> >
> > For anyone new to this conversation that is : all the civil parishes in
> > County cork not already mapped in OSM as parts or all of the Dioceses of
> > Ardfert and Aghadoe, Cloyne or Ross. (as boundary=historic_diocese)
> >
> > Further suggestions from anyone more familiar with overpass than I am
> will
> > be most welcome.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 00:17, Donal Hunt 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brian,
> > >
> > > I tried to take a stab at this but overpass got the better of me!!
> > >
> > > Here is what I've got so far: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Tn4
> > >
> > > This will give you an area excluding the two diocese relations you
> > > mentioned. I think you either need to do a map_to_area or a Recurse
> > up/down
> > > relations function after that but I can't wrap my head around that part
> > and
> > > there are few examples that explain it well enough...
> > >
> > > Also - in hindsight, my query result only returns other diocesan areas
> > that
> > > are not Ross / Cloyne. There are obviously parts of Cork that aren't
> > > contained within a diocesan area right now.
> > >
> > > Hopefully one of the overpass gurus here will put us out of our
> misery!!
> > =)
> > >
> > > Donal
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 4:38 PM Brian Hollinshead <
> br...@hollinshead.net
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Overpass query: County Cork comprises the Dioceses of Cloyne, Cork
> and
> > > > Ross. I have added Cloyne and Ross as boundary=historic_diocese to
> OSM.
> > > > Please can I use overpass to load the remaining civil parishes into
> > JOSM.
> > > > Something  like  boundary=civil_parish in "County Cork" BUT NOT
> > > > (boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Cloyne") OR NOT
> > > > (boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Ross). I seem to remember that
> > > > boundary!=xxx omits what follows but am unsure.
> > > > Thanks
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> > >
> > >
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> > > OpenStreetMap Ireland
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Overpass query?

[Brian Hollinshead]

John,
All civil parishes show if you run boundary=civil_parish in Overpass.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 13:04, John Kennedy  wrote:

> Cool. Yep, I was lucky spotted the difference description:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Overpass_QL#Difference
>
> Brian, I just noticed that Cork Airport and nearby are not highlighted in
> the results...maybe the civil parish definitions are missing/broken in
> those areas.
> Rgds/
>  - John.
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 12:52, Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> > That is great thank you. It does include the four parishes from Diocese
> of
> > Ardfert but I can cope the that. I did not want all the Cloyne Parishes
> in
> > Cork County lest there would be duplicate names.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 12:30, John Kennedy  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brian.
> > > Does this work?
> > >
> > > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TnN
> > >
> > > I attempt to gather all CPs in Cork.
> > > Then all CPs in the mapped dioceses.
> > > Then take the difference.
> > >
> > > But I just query by area name - this could be tightened further.
> > >
> > > Rgds/
> > >  - John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 09:20, Brian Hollinshead  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Donal,
> > > > Thanks for having a go at that overpass query. Your offer showed the
> > > > Diocese of Ardfert which has perhaps six Cork civil parishes. I had
> not
> > > > included it in my enquiry for fear of complicating it further.
> > > >
> > > > If you run overpass, include all County Cork on screen and use
> wizard:
> > > > boundary=historic_diocese, the resultant white space is the Diocese
> of
> > > Cork
> > > > (1837)  from which i wish to load all the civil parishes into JOSM
> for
> > > > further progress.
> > > >
> > > > For anyone new to this conversation that is : all the civil parishes
> in
> > > > County cork not already mapped in OSM as parts or all of the Dioceses
> > of
> > > > Ardfert and Aghadoe, Cloyne or Ross. (as boundary=historic_diocese)
> > > >
> > > > Further suggestions from anyone more familiar with overpass than I am
> > > will
> > > > be most welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 00:17, Donal Hunt <
> donal.h...@openstreetmap.ie>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Brian,
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried to take a stab at this but overpass got the better of me!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is what I've got so far: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Tn4
> > > > >
> > > > > This will give you an area excluding the two diocese relations you
> > > > > mentioned. I think you either need to do a map_to_area or a Recurse
> > > > up/down
> > > > > relations function after that but I can't wrap my head around that
> > part
> > > > and
> > > > > there are few examples that explain it well enough...
> > > > >
> > > > > Also - in hindsight, my query result only returns other diocesan
> > areas
> > > > that
> > > > > are not Ross / Cloyne. There are obviously parts of Cork that
> aren't
> > > > > contained within a diocesan area right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hopefully one of the overpass gurus here will put us out of our
> > > misery!!
> > > > =)
> > > > >
> > > > > Donal
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 4:38 PM Brian Hollinshead <
> > > br...@hollinshead.net
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Overpass query: County Cork comprises the Dioceses of Cloyne,
> Cork
> > > and
> > > > > > Ross. I have added Cloyne and Ross as boundary=historic_diocese
> to
> > > OSM.
> > > > > > Please can I use overpass to load the remaining civil parishes
> into
> > > > JOSM.
> > > > > > Something  like  boundary=civil_parish in "County Cork" BUT NOT
> > > > > > (boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Cloyne") OR NOT
> > > > > > (boundary=civil_parish

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Overpass query?

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi John,
That is great thank you. It does include the four parishes from Diocese of
Ardfert but I can cope the that. I did not want all the Cloyne Parishes in
Cork County lest there would be duplicate names.

Regards

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 12:30, John Kennedy  wrote:

> Hi Brian.
> Does this work?
>
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/TnN
>
> I attempt to gather all CPs in Cork.
> Then all CPs in the mapped dioceses.
> Then take the difference.
>
> But I just query by area name - this could be tightened further.
>
> Rgds/
>  - John
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 09:20, Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Donal,
> > Thanks for having a go at that overpass query. Your offer showed the
> > Diocese of Ardfert which has perhaps six Cork civil parishes. I had not
> > included it in my enquiry for fear of complicating it further.
> >
> > If you run overpass, include all County Cork on screen and use wizard:
> > boundary=historic_diocese, the resultant white space is the Diocese of
> Cork
> > (1837)  from which i wish to load all the civil parishes into JOSM for
> > further progress.
> >
> > For anyone new to this conversation that is : all the civil parishes in
> > County cork not already mapped in OSM as parts or all of the Dioceses of
> > Ardfert and Aghadoe, Cloyne or Ross. (as boundary=historic_diocese)
> >
> > Further suggestions from anyone more familiar with overpass than I am
> will
> > be most welcome.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 00:17, Donal Hunt 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Brian,
> > >
> > > I tried to take a stab at this but overpass got the better of me!!
> > >
> > > Here is what I've got so far: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Tn4
> > >
> > > This will give you an area excluding the two diocese relations you
> > > mentioned. I think you either need to do a map_to_area or a Recurse
> > up/down
> > > relations function after that but I can't wrap my head around that part
> > and
> > > there are few examples that explain it well enough...
> > >
> > > Also - in hindsight, my query result only returns other diocesan areas
> > that
> > > are not Ross / Cloyne. There are obviously parts of Cork that aren't
> > > contained within a diocesan area right now.
> > >
> > > Hopefully one of the overpass gurus here will put us out of our
> misery!!
> > =)
> > >
> > > Donal
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 4:38 PM Brian Hollinshead <
> br...@hollinshead.net
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Overpass query: County Cork comprises the Dioceses of Cloyne, Cork
> and
> > > > Ross. I have added Cloyne and Ross as boundary=historic_diocese to
> OSM.
> > > > Please can I use overpass to load the remaining civil parishes into
> > JOSM.
> > > > Something  like  boundary=civil_parish in "County Cork" BUT NOT
> > > > (boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Cloyne") OR NOT
> > > > (boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Ross). I seem to remember that
> > > > boundary!=xxx omits what follows but am unsure.
> > > > Thanks
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> > >
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> > > OpenStreetMap Ireland
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[OSM-talk-ie] Why is Billy parish in Antrim shown as in Athlone Municipal District?

[Brian Hollinshead]

During the stay at home I have added many CofI parishes to OSM based on
single or combinations of civil parishes.
Please see Billy Parish 10993573, it suggests it is in County Roscommon!!
This applies to a number of others as well. Please can somebody explain why
to me and also how or who can rectify it. While they all display OK it
might be disconcerting to a person doing a search.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Overpass query?

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Donal,
Thanks for having a go at that overpass query. Your offer showed the
Diocese of Ardfert which has perhaps six Cork civil parishes. I had not
included it in my enquiry for fear of complicating it further.

If you run overpass, include all County Cork on screen and use wizard:
boundary=historic_diocese, the resultant white space is the Diocese of Cork
(1837)  from which i wish to load all the civil parishes into JOSM for
further progress.

For anyone new to this conversation that is : all the civil parishes in
County cork not already mapped in OSM as parts or all of the Dioceses of
Ardfert and Aghadoe, Cloyne or Ross. (as boundary=historic_diocese)

Further suggestions from anyone more familiar with overpass than I am will
be most welcome.

Thanks

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 00:17, Donal Hunt 
wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> I tried to take a stab at this but overpass got the better of me!!
>
> Here is what I've got so far: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Tn4
>
> This will give you an area excluding the two diocese relations you
> mentioned. I think you either need to do a map_to_area or a Recurse up/down
> relations function after that but I can't wrap my head around that part and
> there are few examples that explain it well enough...
>
> Also - in hindsight, my query result only returns other diocesan areas that
> are not Ross / Cloyne. There are obviously parts of Cork that aren't
> contained within a diocesan area right now.
>
> Hopefully one of the overpass gurus here will put us out of our misery!! =)
>
> Donal
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 4:38 PM Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > Overpass query: County Cork comprises the Dioceses of Cloyne, Cork and
> > Ross. I have added Cloyne and Ross as boundary=historic_diocese to OSM.
> > Please can I use overpass to load the remaining civil parishes into JOSM.
> > Something  like  boundary=civil_parish in "County Cork" BUT NOT
> > (boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Cloyne") OR NOT
> > (boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Ross). I seem to remember that
> > boundary!=xxx omits what follows but am unsure.
> > Thanks
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>
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[OSM-talk-ie] Overpass query?

[Brian Hollinshead]

Overpass query: County Cork comprises the Dioceses of Cloyne, Cork and
Ross. I have added Cloyne and Ross as boundary=historic_diocese to OSM.
Please can I use overpass to load the remaining civil parishes into JOSM.
Something  like  boundary=civil_parish in "County Cork" BUT NOT
(boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Cloyne") OR NOT
(boundary=civil_parish in "Diocese of Ross). I seem to remember that
boundary!=xxx omits what follows but am unsure.
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[OSM-talk-ie] Which source(s) used for OSM civil parishes please.

[Brian Hollinshead]

During a recent talk to some genealogists I was asked which sources we used
for adding the civil parishes back in the day.

My best memory was grouping the townlands from detail on the Sean Ruad web
(now the core roscommon I think) which is a list from the 1851 index?

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[OSM-talk-ie] Introduction for new Irish OSM map viewers

[Brian Hollinshead]

I did a talk recently to staff in the RCB Library and Arcive and yesterday
to staff of Eneclann and the family history Centre. I find I am being
repeatedly asked how a new Irish user of OSM learn how best to use it and
how to know what search and other features are included. With this in mind
I have prepared the following draft introduction but am still hoping one of
has either has or can refer me to a better one. If you can't then please
suggest improvements to mine.

openstreetmap.org
Main page: search by name of townland, parish, barony etc or street or
village etc
search for pharmacy in dundrum or post office in Dalkey or fast food in
Finglas or police in Howth or supervalu in Malahide or mcdonalds in Dun
Laoghaire or acaun or Athy parish.etc

to share a web page image with a marker, Use share icon on the right,
select include marker, slide map so marker in correct position,  copy text
in box https://www., paste in email. On arrival of email, clicking
on link will display same map area at same scale with same marker. Use it
to share locations of burial grounds, churches etc.

To print a copy of the screen, without using save screen shot, use share
icon again. for full screen select download as .png or .jpeg or .pdg  or
.svg format. For partial screen  select set custom dimensions and drag
window to required area. map.png file will appear in download folder.

To see how a bus stop, graveyard or any other feature has been described
and tagged on either Standard or Cycle or Transport map. Zoom well in on
required feature and select map data. After all feature have gone blue,
click on blue line of feature. details will appear in box on left. REMEMBER
to switch off map data before moving map.

For route choices: select bent arrow icon beside search box.

To view mapped boundaries that enclose a chosen point: A splendid and
powerful feature rarely seen in other mapping apps.  Zoom well in to the
point of interest, select ? icon on the right, (query features), if it
remains black zoom in further, click on an empty space on the map, not on a
line. After a short pause a list will be displayed of all relevant drawn
boundaries with a link for each. Click on link of your interest to display
that boundary on the map.

Cycle map layer: Shows different types of cycle lanes, Bicycle repair
shops, Bars to lock bicycles to and whether they are covered. Roadside
pumps and drinking stations. Roadside local authority tyre pumps and
spanner sets.

Transport layer: Llike the rest it is incomplete, shows bus routes, bus
stops with ref no. routes numbers, whether it has a bench or a shelter and
dimpled pavement markings. Also Luas, Dart, railways and some Bord na mona
rail lines.

Different web page: histosm.org shows various historical and archaeological
features, perhaps 6,000 in Ireland, list of types and numbers displayed on
screen varies as you zoom in or out. Clicking on a marker will display
further details.

Different web page: townlands.ie Lists some 61,000 townlands, 2,500 civil
Parishes, as well as baronies and DEDs, with about 67,000 individual maps.
Search by using search box or by drilling down by County, by  ed/ded, by
civil parish to townland. Lists neighbouring townlands in case some
relative was buried over the border from where they lived. 122,000 direct
links by townland to 1901 and 1911 Census pages in the National archives.
Data for those boundaries can be downloaded in a variety of formats for
further use. No payment required but attribution to townlands.ie and to
openstreetmap contributorsis a MUST DO.

Different web pages: maps.openstreetmap.ie and
maps.openstreetmap.ie.oocmaps are under reconstruction by a volunteer at
present. These have  various overlays of all-Ireland historic maps and
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using overpass-turbo.eu to count features

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks Mark, not only for the solutions but also the explanations. Very
helpful.

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 23:16, Mark Tully  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Regarding your overpass issue, there's some optimizing of the query that
> could help you if all you need is to count the number of relations.  The
> overpass wizard, by default, requests the tags, ids and geometry of the
> objects which match the query.   However, there are other options.
>
> These three lines are at the bottom of the default wizard queries:
> out body;
> >;
> out skel qt;
>
> They basically mean "send back all the details of the selected objects and
> the geometry of their child objects" (the elements of the relations in most
> cases)  This allows them to be displayed on the map.  We can request that
> overpass sends us less data by changing these 3 lines.  If you remove them,
> then you're requesting overpass to send you nothing, as you found out.
>
> There's 3 main useful options
> 1: Replace the 3 lines with "out center qt;" - This will display the centre
> of each townland rather than its boundaries
> 2: Replace the 3 lines with "out tags qt;" - This will show only the tags
> of the results, so they won't show up on the map.  However, the map will
> still show how many objects were loaded, even though they don't appear.
> 3: Replace the 3 lines with "out ids qt;" - This will only show the ids of
> the results.  As with 2, they won't show up on the map, but it will still
> show how many objects were loaded.
>
> Obviously, each approach has less and less data being transferred to the
> browser, making it easier to display it (and saving some network traffic).
> For example, using approach 3 on the query for Munster, the data is reduced
> from ~100Mb to <1 Mb, which is significant if you don't need to actually
> see the geometries of the queried items.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:13 PM Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > I often use this to count features, say locality=townland in Louth.
> >
> > Works fine but I tried it for Munster and 100mB was rather too much to
> > display. I removed the last three lines to avoid a display but then it
> does
> > not count.
> >
> > Perhaps one of you has a way around this please?
> >
> > I am also looking for a textual description of what constitutes
> traditional
> > Connamara, based perhaps on DEDs or Civil parishes etc. Does it
> correspond
> > with the new Connemara Municipal District?
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[OSM-talk-ie] Using overpass-turbo.eu to count features

[Brian Hollinshead]

I often use this to count features, say locality=townland in Louth.

Works fine but I tried it for Munster and 100mB was rather too much to
display. I removed the last three lines to avoid a display but then it does
not count.

Perhaps one of you has a way around this please?

I am also looking for a textual description of what constitutes traditional
Connamara, based perhaps on DEDs or Civil parishes etc. Does it correspond
with the new Connemara Municipal District?
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[OSM-talk-ie] Overpass wizard

[Brian Hollinshead]

I know how to search for a way number on the main openstreetmap.org page by
using  openstreetmap.org/way/165511786.

I want please using overpass-turbo.eu export a file for
  building=church and (the same way)   but using way=165511786 or
way/165511786 does not work.
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[OSM-talk-ie] Failte Ireland map using OSM

[Brian Hollinshead]

Please to see recently that the Failte Ireland Sligo and Mayo visitor map
both used OSM data and attributed it to OSM.

Also saw the European Commission website  PHOTOVOLTAIC GEOGRAPHICAL
INFORMATION SYSTEM:  https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html
appears to use OSM but I did not see any attribution.
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[OSM-talk-ie] Disabled parking spaces

[Brian Hollinshead]

Following the discussion at the AGM meeting about open source data and
disabled parking spaces. I got an opensource (now out of date) list from
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown. I have in the course of various local journeys,
made a point to visit the spaces prior to adding them to the map.

Together, you and I, have now added over 150 in DLR see
overpass-turbo.eu/s/Kog.

If only they could have a map icon like the 'P with the bicycle' but with a
small wheelchair. Wouldn't life be so much easier for those who deserve
these spaces.

If you have influence or the knowledge of  how to, please encourage and
promote the inclusion of such an icon on the main map.

Here is the link to the DLR data, If convenient, please visit and add any
near you. Dalkey, Killiney and Shankill still very empty!


https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/disabled_bay_database_august_2016_0.pdf


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] AGM Notice

[Brian Hollinshead]

My pleasure,
I go into the map library in UCD several times a year to meet Jane Nolan
the librarian to discuss what is new or what is strange in mapping. Last
summer I showed her an early version of dublinhistoricmaps.ie and she was
very impressed and delighted even!

A few weeks ago the curator in the Irish Architectural Archive told me
about a map of theirs from 1914 was on the UCD site and that he felt it
would look well on dublinhistoricmap.ie and gave me permission. He also
sent me a link to UCD. When I looked it up I saw that Jane, unknown to me,
had put up a link to Dublinhistoricmaps.ie on their home page but
attributed it to OSM. I am fine with that if it heightens visibility of OSM
but realise that the directors should know of it and decide if they are
happy with that.

see   https://libguides.ucd.ie/findingmaps/mapshistDublin

Talk to you on Saturday.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 14:27, Heikki Vesanto 
wrote:

> Perfect Brian,
>
> Was hoping you would volunteer!
>
> If you want to show some slides, you can either bring your own computer or
> e-mail me with the slides.
>
> We have plenty of time, so anything from 5 to 10 minutes, or even a bit
> longer is great.
>
> Thanks!
>
> See you Saturday.
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:17 PM Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > Heikki
> > I will rsvp. I offered Tad I would do a lightning talk on printing large
> > and small paper maps from OSM.
> > See you on Saturday
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:40, Heikki Vesanto 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > We are holding our OpenStreetMap Ireland Company Limited by Guarantee
> AGM
> > > this weekend.
> > >
> > > Saturday June the 15th, at Tog Hackerspace Dublin.
> > >
> > > There is no cost to attend, but if you can RSVP please do as we can
> judge
> > > numbers:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/agm-and-general-information-day-tickets-62233807995
> > >
> > > The current board would like to extend an invite to anyone who is keen
> to
> > > be a member of the board to let me know by e-mail before Friday the
> 14th
> > of
> > > June at: heikki.vesa...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > Currently the board consists of five members, with a maximum of seven.
> In
> > > the event that we have more than two people interested in joining and
> all
> > > five members of the current board decide to stand for election again
> (so
> > if
> > > we have more than 7 candidates), we will have an election for the
> board.
> > >
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> of
> > > setting up the company have been completed, and the new board will be
> > > focused on expanding the use and visibility of OpenStreetMap across
> > > Ireland. By running events and projects. The duties are light, with
> > roughly
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] AGM Notice

[Brian Hollinshead]

Heikki
I will rsvp. I offered Tad I would do a lightning talk on printing large
and small paper maps from OSM.
See you on Saturday

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 12:40, Heikki Vesanto 
wrote:

> We are holding our OpenStreetMap Ireland Company Limited by Guarantee AGM
> this weekend.
>
> Saturday June the 15th, at Tog Hackerspace Dublin.
>
> There is no cost to attend, but if you can RSVP please do as we can judge
> numbers:
>
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/agm-and-general-information-day-tickets-62233807995
>
> The current board would like to extend an invite to anyone who is keen to
> be a member of the board to let me know by e-mail before Friday the 14th of
> June at: heikki.vesa...@gmail.com
>
> Currently the board consists of five members, with a maximum of seven. In
> the event that we have more than two people interested in joining and all
> five members of the current board decide to stand for election again (so if
> we have more than 7 candidates), we will have an election for the board.
>
> I would encourage everyone to consider joining the board, we are keen to
> increase the diversity of the board in all aspects. The onerous duties of
> setting up the company have been completed, and the new board will be
> focused on expanding the use and visibility of OpenStreetMap across
> Ireland. By running events and projects. The duties are light, with roughly
> once a month board meetings, and attending events where possible.
>
> We will also be opening up membership to OpenStreetMap Ireland CLG .
>
> Ordinary Memberships
> €15.00 (or £13.00 for NI)
>
> Concession Membership Rate (unwaged or student)
> €5.00 (or £4.00 for NI)
>
> Corporate Membership (by resolution of the board)
> €300.00 (or £260.00 for NI)
>
> Payment can be made on the day by cash, or by bank transfer afterwards.
>
> Also we still have some space for lightning talks, if anyone is interested
> let me know at the e-mail address above.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have finished the Dublin Counties. They can be viewed at
overpass-turbo.eu/s/GNq or by entering

political_division=local_const and existed=2014- or existed=2019- in
"County Dublin"into the wizard.

Alternatively at u.osmfr.org/m/299562
For anyone not familiar with umap,

You can drag the image and zoom using the plus or minus or with the mouse
wheel.
The LEA name will appear when you hover over an area.
Using the 'disc layers' icon on left you can switch different layers on-off.
Using the 'paper layers' icon you can vary the appearance of the background
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[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018

[Brian Hollinshead]

It is four years since the last change in LEAs.
Last Summer a boundary commission issued new proposals and in December new
Statutory Instruments were issued. I learnt today of the references for the
four Dublin areas.
SI 614 2018 Dublin City
SI 615 2018 DLR
SI 616 2018 Fingal
SI 633 2018  South Dublin.

see http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/615/made/en/print

Some areas have remained unchanged while others have had EDs moved from one
LEA to a neighbouring one. For instance Dun Laoghaire LEA lost
Foxrock-Beechpark ED which was moved to Blackrock LEA.

I have today added these to OSM and before adding any others I would like
feedback on the Tagging I used. please see
openstreetmap.org/relation/9316769 and 770.

Where an LEA remains unchanged how should we change the tagging to reflect
both 2014 and 2018 valid dates and the two sources SI 46 2014 and SI 615
2018.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM IRL meeting in Dublin

[Brian Hollinshead]

Yes, if you would like to. I was hoping to make someone sorry they had not
come this time and that they might try harder next time.


On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 12:46, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Fantastic write up Brian. Can this be added as a post on the site?
>
> On Sat 24 Nov 2018, 16:16 Brian Hollinshead 
> > Just back from the meeting, some interesting and useful discussion as
> > usual.
> > Ciaran did a presentation on the simplicity of Mapmillary. This was
> > followed later on by a quick walk around the locality by four teams on
> > foot. Then uploading the resulting images on our return. Ciaran talked
> > about adding natural and man-made details to the map as well as roads
> using
> > the Mapillary plugin on JOSM to indicate the valuable source these images
> > are for adding
> >
> > There was a demonstration of using overass_turbo.eu to extract various
> > data
> > sets, save it and then import it into a multilayered u.map. Like using
> > leaflet but with no knowledge of code or grammar needed, it suits me very
> > well. Our thanks to OSM France who host the site.
> > Two example shown include u.osmfr.org/m/161139 which shows 6 of the
> > boundaries named Rathvilly which enclose Rathvilly Village and
> > u.osmfr.org/m/180392 with numerous layers showing Superintendent
> > Registrars
> > Districts and Registrars District on the east coast. These are
> particularly
> > useful to historians and those interested in genealogy. The relations can
> > be easily built as all the pieces of townland boundary are already there.
> >
> > Arising from talk about out of copyright maps we viewed
> > dublinhistoricmaps.ie which has various georeferenced images from 1700s,
> > 1800s and 1900s. Where the features coincide with modern OSM maps is best
> > seen by using the slider at the bottom right.
> >
> > Looking forward to the next meeting to get some answers about the
> > desirability or otherwise of adding dates to the names of historical
> > boundaries. There just wasn't time today.
> >
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[OSM-talk-ie] OSM IRL meeting in Dublin

[Brian Hollinshead]

Just back from the meeting, some interesting and useful discussion as usual.
Ciaran did a presentation on the simplicity of Mapmillary. This was
followed later on by a quick walk around the locality by four teams on
foot. Then uploading the resulting images on our return. Ciaran talked
about adding natural and man-made details to the map as well as roads using
the Mapillary plugin on JOSM to indicate the valuable source these images
are for adding

There was a demonstration of using overass_turbo.eu to extract various data
sets, save it and then import it into a multilayered u.map. Like using
leaflet but with no knowledge of code or grammar needed, it suits me very
well. Our thanks to OSM France who host the site.
Two example shown include u.osmfr.org/m/161139 which shows 6 of the
boundaries named Rathvilly which enclose Rathvilly Village and
u.osmfr.org/m/180392 with numerous layers showing Superintendent Registrars
Districts and Registrars District on the east coast. These are particularly
useful to historians and those interested in genealogy. The relations can
be easily built as all the pieces of townland boundary are already there.

Arising from talk about out of copyright maps we viewed
dublinhistoricmaps.ie which has various georeferenced images from 1700s,
1800s and 1900s. Where the features coincide with modern OSM maps is best
seen by using the slider at the bottom right.

Looking forward to the next meeting to get some answers about the
desirability or otherwise of adding dates to the names of historical
boundaries. There just wasn't time today.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Tagging Irish boundaries and the OSM meeting on Saturday.

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks to Donal we have some splendid presets in JOSM. I am interested in
adding new types of boundaries, some for OSM and some perhaps better suited
to histosm.org. All can be used with umap or leafet or maperitive. In most
cases the line features of townlands, streets, canals etc are already there
I am merely adding relations.

As an example civil parishes are tagged as
boundary=civil_parish
name= xxx
type=boundary
..

I have added some Roman Catholic Parishes as
boundary=rc_parish
name= xxx
type=boundary

as tagging protocols have developed maybe I should have used
boundary=parish
denomination=Roman Catholic
or
boundary=parish:roman_catholic

When adding historic Anglican parishes in the Diocese of Meath 1885. I have
started to use
boundary=anglican_historic_parish

perhaps I should remove the historic reference and add historic=yes

Hopefully this will lead to discussion and resolution on Saturday but I
welcome suggestions from those unable to attend.

I am also unsure if historic and current city wards which have Councillors
elected are administrative or electoral boundaries?

By the way am I flying in the face of reason and custom in naming a
historic parish as "Trim Parish 1875" should I just use "Trim"? Like
"Rathvilly" that is mapped as a townland, as a civil parish, as a Roman
Catholic Parish, as a Barony, an ED, and a registrars District. How does a
punter best search for just one of them on OSM?

I look forward to your opinions and to meeting some of you on Saturday,
let's wring as much shared benefit as we can from getting together.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Collinstown Townland has been re mapped as Dublin Airport!

[Brian Hollinshead]

At first look, theses are good, I admire your patience to do this. As both
maps.openstreetmap.ie and http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/os_opendata are
displaying a lot of pink (during the changeover?) I will leave a more
detailed check for the moment. After the townlands and Civil parishes I
will use the GRO records in National library which for the registration
districts list the EDs then Civil Parishes in each ED  and then townlands
in each parish.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 15:31, Patrick Matthews 
wrote:

> I have - as far as I can tell - finished repairing the townland, civil
> parish, barony, PLU and registration district boundaries around Dublin
> Airport. Can Brian check that they're all OK?
>
> Paddy Matthews.
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 6:57 PM Patrick Matthews 
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure if anyone would be able to identify changesets and whether
> > they could be rolled back to their pre-"redrawing" stage.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:50 PM Brian Hollinshead  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Paddy,
> >> I found Belgard Quarry this morning. At least in that case they left the
> >> townland boundaries intact so it could be easier to fix, Is that in your
> >> field of expertise or I am hoping for someone else to kindly offer?
> >>
> >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 15:19, Patrick Matthews  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Looking around last night, something similar seems to have been done
> at
> >> the
> >> > Belgard quarry on the south side of Dublin and looking at the relevant
> >> > relation history it seems to be the same few names who are involved in
> >> > freelance boundary redrawing in both locations. I'm sure there may be
> >> other
> >> > places where this has gone on but that was the one that I noticed.
> >> >
> >> > Paddy Matthews.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:29 PM Brian Hollinshead <
> >> br...@hollinshead.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > While adding the Malahide Union of parishes to the map which uses a
> >> > > combination of the old civil parish boundaries I find that
> Collinstown
> >> > > townland (relation/5436241) has been seriously redrawn if compared
> to
> >> the
> >> > > GSGS 3906 map and maps.openstreetmap.ie. Rorys townlands.ie shows
> the
> >> > post
> >> > > changes state.
> >> > > It looks as thought someone thought Collinstown Airport was the new
> >> > > townland.
> >> > >
> >> > > The border between townland of Forrest Little(relation 5440762) and
> >> > > Clonshaugh, Corballis and Huntstown has been quite altered between
> >> > > 53.435847/-6.236136 and 53.4316541/-6.2644.
> >> > >
> >> > > I believe this also alters some Barony and Superintendent Registrars
> >> > > District boundaries so feel it is highly preferable that these
> >> changes be
> >> > > reversed intact.
> >> > >
> >> > > I regret this is way above my capability so I ask for someone
> reading
> >> > this
> >> > > to please address this issue.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you for your kindness.
> >> > >
> >> > > By the way, Many thanks to those organised such an enthusiastic
> >> meeting
> >> > in
> >> > > Maynooth yesterday, the future looks good.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap Ireland CLG launch yesterday

[Brian Hollinshead]

We can also add Carlow and Galway County Councils, Geological Survey
Ireland. Bus Eireann,

Please what is the correct format of the Company name and does it have a
number yet?

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 13:31, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Ciarán & board,
>
> Well done on setting things up!
>
> One thing we might do is to promote OSM, based on those that are using the
> data already:
>
> * NTA: www.rtpi.ie
> * Dublin Fire Bridge - maps on Twitter.
> * Dublin City Council self service portal -
> http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-your-council/isupport
> * Met Éireann - https://www.met.ie/
>
> I'm sure there are more.
>
> Colm
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Collinstown Townland has been re mapped as Dublin Airport!

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks Paddy,
I found Belgard Quarry this morning. At least in that case they left the
townland boundaries intact so it could be easier to fix, Is that in your
field of expertise or I am hoping for someone else to kindly offer?

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 15:19, Patrick Matthews 
wrote:

> Looking around last night, something similar seems to have been done at the
> Belgard quarry on the south side of Dublin and looking at the relevant
> relation history it seems to be the same few names who are involved in
> freelance boundary redrawing in both locations. I'm sure there may be other
> places where this has gone on but that was the one that I noticed.
>
> Paddy Matthews.
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:29 PM Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > While adding the Malahide Union of parishes to the map which uses a
> > combination of the old civil parish boundaries I find that Collinstown
> > townland (relation/5436241) has been seriously redrawn if compared to the
> > GSGS 3906 map and maps.openstreetmap.ie. Rorys townlands.ie shows the
> post
> > changes state.
> > It looks as thought someone thought Collinstown Airport was the new
> > townland.
> >
> > The border between townland of Forrest Little(relation 5440762) and
> > Clonshaugh, Corballis and Huntstown has been quite altered between
> > 53.435847/-6.236136 and 53.4316541/-6.2644.
> >
> > I believe this also alters some Barony and Superintendent Registrars
> > District boundaries so feel it is highly preferable that these changes be
> > reversed intact.
> >
> > I regret this is way above my capability so I ask for someone reading
> this
> > to please address this issue.
> >
> > Thank you for your kindness.
> >
> > By the way, Many thanks to those organised such an enthusiastic meeting
> in
> > Maynooth yesterday, the future looks good.
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[OSM-talk-ie] Collinstown Townland has been re mapped as Dublin Airport!

[Brian Hollinshead]

While adding the Malahide Union of parishes to the map which uses a
combination of the old civil parish boundaries I find that Collinstown
townland (relation/5436241) has been seriously redrawn if compared to the
GSGS 3906 map and maps.openstreetmap.ie. Rorys townlands.ie shows the post
changes state.
It looks as thought someone thought Collinstown Airport was the new
townland.

The border between townland of Forrest Little(relation 5440762) and
Clonshaugh, Corballis and Huntstown has been quite altered between
53.435847/-6.236136 and 53.4316541/-6.2644.

I believe this also alters some Barony and Superintendent Registrars
District boundaries so feel it is highly preferable that these changes be
reversed intact.

I regret this is way above my capability so I ask for someone reading this
to please address this issue.

Thank you for your kindness.

By the way, Many thanks to those organised such an enthusiastic meeting in
Maynooth yesterday, the future looks good.
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[OSM-talk-ie] OSM base map listing OSI GeoJson townlands

[Brian Hollinshead]

Interested to see OSM basemap used here
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/townland-boundaries-ungeneralised-osi-national-statutory-boundaries/resource/4af9ff67-4028-4a31-904a-b57085137c6f?view_id=6062c905-2115-4619-a109-3c20607b97c9
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Raths / ringforts

[Brian Hollinshead]

Some time ago I had discussion the Archaeological survey Ireland concerning
our possible use of their open data. At that time their cc-by ?  was not
quite enough open for OSM use as there were two sticking points. Dacor has
ironed these out in the meantime and kindly made sample acceptances
available.

I will now re-open discussion with them.

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 17:22, moltonel 3x Combo  wrote:

> On 06/09/2018, Rory McCann  wrote:
> > I mapped a lot with historical=earthworks earthworks=rath. A few years
> > brianh came up with a tagging scheme for historic objects like that in
> > Ireland, and that was the tagging for ringforts, so I used that. I have
> > no strong attachment to it, and would be willing to change to something
> > else.
>
> Thanks. I've gone ahead with some earthworks->fortification retaging
> in Kilkenny : https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62348383
>
> * I've removed the " (rath)" that was sometimes appended to the name.
> It should probably go in name:ga but I haven't the skill.
> * Some notes refer to the ringfort as "plough-leveled", maybe that's a
> better wording than "razed" for the ringfort_type key ?
> * It would be nice to tag forts that consist of multiple rings, like
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/538754476, but I'm not sure that
> ringfort_type=dun is the right choice.
> * Not all earthwork is a ringfort, see
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/536904479 - I guess this should also
> change from earthworks=motte to fortification_type=hill_fort, like
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/357271010 ?
>
>
> > The Archeological Survey of Ireland has all these (and more!) mapped,
> > and I believe there's some attempt to ask the Dept Culture, Heritage &
> > Gaeltacht to open that out, but nothing yet. That would certainly aid
> > mapping.
> >
> > https://www.archaeology.ie/archaeological-survey-ireland
>
> Is it worth pinging them again ?
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[OSM-talk-ie] Townland boundaries pulled to match ground features

[Brian Hollinshead]

The boundary between Kilmashogue and Taylors Grange has been pulled out of
position to suit the Marlay Park golf course. Please see ways
openstreetmaps.org/way/563594212 and 213

Similarly openstreetmap.org/way/325217162 has been grossly pulled to fit
ground features.

These differences can be easily seen in JOSM using gsgs3906 image and in
maps.openstreetmap.ie which remains correct somehow.

I hope one of you knows please how to reverse this pull without hurting
other features and will do it. I do not regard it as within my competency
to undertake this.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM IRL Annual General Meeting

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks for getting the advice Ciaran

I agree hold the meeting first then form the company

Delay the meeting until March 24th. I look forward to it.

On Wed 28 Feb 2018 at 21:18, Ciarán Staunton 
wrote:

> Hi All
> I am sorry if this is a longer than usual message and I will try to be
> brief as there is a lot of ground to cover. And 3 questions at the end.
>
> I have secured (free of charge) the services of Robert Tallent of Synergy
> Group. He is a sound person, he has a lot of experience of non-profit and
> charity company formation, and provides advice on registration and
> compliance for a range of different clients but usually small and
> formative. His website is available if your websearch for his name with
> "Synergy".
>
> As regards the conversations I have had with Bob I gave him the following
> brief (which was what was agreed at the last):
> - Which structure will protect the members and directors against legally
> liability, and will share the limited liability equally?
> - Which structure will closely match the requirements of the Foundation to
> be non-for-profit?
> - Which structure will allow for the eventual registration as a charity
> (enabling donations)
> - Which structure might in the future enable seeking a grant or employing
> someone
>
> Bob has outlined to me that a Limited Partnership is a dangerous option
> unless the lead partner is also a salaried executive director. The optimal
> structure to satisfy all these is a *Company Limited by Guarantee (CLG)*.
> The CLG once registered can then later seek charitable status from the
> regulator, and is also free to apply for grants or other funds. The
> understanding of non-for-profit with CLGs is simply to monitor that profit
> seeking is not the main objective of the majority of activities, and that
> when profits arise there is a plan to re-invest them. The DAC structure is
> limiting in the scope of things the company may want to do which is why CLG
> is not recommended.
>
>
>1. What I would like to clear up before the AGM is whether the members
>of this mailing list wish the nominated group to proceed to form the
>company before the AGM, or post the AGM. It may shape how the meeting
> takes
>place.
>2. Also Bob Tallent cannot attend on the 10th March and I think it would
>be better to have him there to facilitate questions. His real value to
> us
>is advising on what we need to assemble on us. Would the members be ok
> if
>we postpone the AGM until the 24th? I have checked with Tadeusz and it
>appears that Tog is available on that date.
>3. Also, can those guys who were working on a constitution and memos and
>articles bring these to some advanced stage and propose them for the
> AGM?
>
> I'm sorry again for the long email. Please speak up on all three. I know
> you are all snowbound, so no excuses :)
>
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[OSM-talk-ie] Maps.openstreetmap.ie Pink tiles

[Brian Hollinshead]

Has anyone found if they select the counties layer, all the tiles go pink.
This is on several, if not all, zoom levels.

Also the overlay for Poor Law Unions only shows five in Dublin area while
overpass can find 26 in all Ireland including one in Kerry.
(boundary=poor_law_union in Ireland)

All other overlays work find for me.
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[OSM-talk-ie] Conversion from QGIS project to Geojson and to .shp files

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have used the Georeferencer plugin in QGIS to reference the four sheets
of John Rocque's map of Dublin City and Environs of 1750s. I have four
separate projects. I have permission to add these to hollinshead (dot)
net/maps/dublinhistoric and to an OSM.ie page if thought desirable.

Please I need help to

1) get outputs in Geojson format.

2) For a separate QGIS project I want to get a .shp file output

I am still unfamiliar with QGIS except for use of Georeference plugin so
would appreciate a step by step how-to please.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Reduction of size by area of exported OSM or GeoJson image

[Brian Hollinshead]

My thanks first to Rory McCann for doing this for me and to Heikki Vesanto
for also doing it and then showing me how to do it for myself. See below:

Problem: How to shrink the area of a  geojson image by a set percentage.

Solution: Use QGIS (I used v.2.18.13)


Run QGIS
go to PLUGINS, manage and install plugins
Select: Buffer by percentage, install plugin


Drag and drop the geojson file into the layers panel

Activate the Buffer by percentage plugin
Set Buffer area percentage, say 80 and OK


Right click on result line in Layers panel and Save As
In ‘Save vector layer as’ window, insert file name
Select Browse to set destination and Save
Select OK


Job done.


Thank you guys.



On 18 October 2017 at 09:33, Brian Hollinshead <br...@hollinshead.net>
wrote:

> I am able to take an OSM or GeoJson file of County Carlow boundary and use
> in leaflet or UMap.
> I now would like a file for Carlow which is only 80% the area but the same
> shape to overlay to show the population decrease 1841 to 1851 and having
> the same lat/lon centre.
>
> I have QGIS but am not familiar with it, any suggestions most welcome,
> thank you.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Saturday meeting.

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Dave
I will be there as well.


On 19 October 2017 at 17:38, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Everything is still planned to go ahead, 10am to 4pm.
>
> Between Facebook, the site booking form and a few private messages, it's
> looking like there will be about 20 attending, possibly more.
>
> I have a load of office supplies bits already that'd I think we'll need
> (post-its, pens, paper). If you want to bring additional supplies, bring
> them. If they're not used you can always take them away with you again
>
> Dave
>
> On 19 Oct 2017 16:56, "Donal Diamond"  wrote:
>
> > John good luck!
> >
> > https://xkcd.com/705/
> >
> >
> > Donal
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19 October 2017 at 14:17, John Ronan  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > I won't be able to make the meeting Saturday. In work, we were 18 hours
> > > on Generator Monday night/Tuesday, another 4 hours this morning and I
> > > expect we will be again on Saturday. So I expect I'll be here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Apologies,
> > >
> > > John (jpronans)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[OSM-talk-ie] Reduction of size by area of exported OSM or GeoJson image

[Brian Hollinshead]

I am able to take an OSM or GeoJson file of County Carlow boundary and use
in leaflet or UMap.
I now would like a file for Carlow which is only 80% the area but the same
shape to overlay to show the population decrease 1841 to 1851 and having
the same lat/lon centre.

I have QGIS but am not familiar with it, any suggestions most welcome,
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Dave and others
I am interested to attend as well

On 14 August 2017 at 02:52, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all
> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and
> give your feedback when you're done.
>
> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring
> process to get it all done.
>
> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I
> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow
> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions
> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I recall
> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland,
> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio
> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally
> expected.
>
> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
> absolute minimum, could do the following
>
>- Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation
>around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. This
>could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even
>setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement
>- Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple things
>like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure
> every
>new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc.
> Basically,
>just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new
> folks
>in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason why a
>number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period if
>this is done right.
>- Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of open
>data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a
>signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, prioritising,
>tools and import process).
>- Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a 1
>month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using Osmi
> or
>keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland mapping
>project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a real,
>lasting impact on the map
>- Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't need
>to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely be one
>day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going within 2
>years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). There's
>enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic folks
>that is easily within reach.
>- Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest
>population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a location
>outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away
> where
>we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the ground
> in a
>town and get every street name, address, business and attraction all in
> one
>day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks.
>
> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work on
> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag and
> to avoid burnout.
>
> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM Ireland
> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. It's
> kind of the point of this email :)
>
> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am proposing is
> the following
>
> 1. A meeting in early Sept  (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come
> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. Note,
> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure and,
> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research
> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal
> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc
>
> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is
> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required at
> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some tasks to
> keep the process moving.
>
> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any last
> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board
> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. Note,
> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM Ireland and
> elections would be held at that first meeting.

[OSM-talk-ie] Go Map app on Apple iPad

[Brian Hollinshead]

Wonder if any of you have used the Go Map app. on an Apple iPad and if so,
how good you found it please?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks for list Colm, fascinated to see it incudes a tag
proprietor:misogynist = yes !

On 13 July 2017 at 14:21, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Note that there is a list of populations (and almost every other tag,
> except for a few like name=*) here: http://stat.latlon.org/ie/
> latest/tags-p.html
>
> It is sorted 'alphabetically', not numerically, i.e. it is sorted 10, 20,
> 30, 50, 500, 60, 90.
>
>
> Colm
>
>
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[OSM-talk-ie] Using greater than & less than values in Overpass-euro

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have a query

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qm4

which searches where population equals an exact figure which works fine.

I would like to be able to select a range. [population >3999 and <5000]

I have tried [population<5000] and [population<=5000] to no avail.

Your help would be much appreciated

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Public drinking fountains

[Brian Hollinshead]

This overpass link will find 35 in Leinster, I presume changing line 8 to
Ireland will find all

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/qgo

On 8 July 2017 at 12:47, Seán Lynch  wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I saw a discussion recently, I think in this chat, a map of multiple public
> drinking water fountains in Ireland
>
> But I can't seem to find it in my emails or google
>
> I can find individual points eg
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/278846285#map=14/53.3388/-6.2602
>
> Does anyone know how I can access a map of multiple points of interest?
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] NI Electoral Divisions and tagging schemes. A Suggestion.

[Brian Hollinshead]

When did wards stop? Had a look at index to Dublin City Minutes.
in 1953 there was "division of added area" into wards perhaps?

in 1954"wards, scheme of"
and also 1954"Wards, Local Government Order re"

No mention since then except for Valuations in Rathmines wards. So seems
they stopped in 1954


Will look up minutes when next in DCLA Pearse Street, may be two weeks.

Meanwhile perhaps we should enter city wards that most clearly fit the
white space in the townlands overlay. It seems some from 1838 and some from
1849, to avoid overlap where possible and label them

Trinity Ward 1838 etc

These are already all on OSM but we need to do copies that would be tagged
so the overlay and townlands.ie pick them up effortlessly

Perhaps it is Donal and Rory who should say how they would like them tagged?

They can all be viewed athttp://hollinshead.net/maps/dublincitywards/

For Merrion Ward see relation 5595994 for tagging

Hopefully they are all? tagged the same, no guarantee yet I'm afraid.

On 25 February 2017 at 21:26, Dave Foley <davefo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Good point, I don't think the wards are used anymore, maybe they could be
> included on the OSM townland map though?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> 
> From: Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org>
> Sent: 25 February 2017 17:07
> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] NI Electoral Divisions and tagging schemes. A
> Suggestion.
>
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> > worries me gently from time to time. I wonder though whether if the
> > townlands are so very old whether we should only tag city centre
> > wards as admin-level=10 if they are the oldest wards we can find?
>
> I don't think wards are still in current use, right? Tagging them as
> admin_level=10 would mean that they were currently being used.
>
> Adding them as "historic", like baronies, makes more sense.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] NI Electoral Divisions and tagging schemes. A Suggestion.

[Brian Hollinshead]

Yes the white space for old Dublin City, on maps.openstreetmap.ie worries
me gently from time to time. I wonder though whether if the townlands are
so very old whether we should only tag city centre wards as admin-level=10
if they are the oldest wards we can find?

Dolphins Barn and Goldenbridge did extend in to South Circular Rd before
the city expanded to the Canal and Grangegorman East and West used exist, I
have seen them on 1837 OSI 6 inch in TCD.

Have been trying to find others and recently discovered that at least one
of the 9 Liberties had wards, (St Sephulchre's in particular,) have seen
names but not boundary detail yet.

More reading required.

Please Dave, which OSI data are you using, i would be interest to view Old
Dublin City.

Thanks


On 24 February 2017 at 20:56, Dave Foley <davefo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Very nice page Brian. Just wondering since there were no townlands in
> Dublin city centre would it make sense to tag them as admin_level=10? I
> also noticed the OSI has townlands marked in Limerick where there are none
> on OSM. I assume Cork city also had wards?
>
>
> The OSI data is very useful for finding errors in the townland boundaries,
> I even found a missing townland in Dublin (Taylorsgrange).
>
>
> Dave
>
>
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> Sent: 23 February 2017 05:07
> To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] NI Electoral Divisions and tagging schemes. A
> Suggestion.
>
> Hi
>
> re Admin and historic boundary tagging
>
> I have added four sets of Dublin City wards, as at c.1780, 1838, 1849 and
> 1946
> I tagged them as
>
> boundary=administrative
>
> date=1849
>
> historic=yes
>
> name=Trinity Ward (1849)
>
> political_division=city_ward
>
> type=boundary
>
> I accept I have mixed my admin with political but was quite unsure. I still
> need to re-visit the tagging to check all are the same.
>
> They can be viewed at http://hollinshead.net/maps/dublincitywards/   I
> know
> sources list is incomplete.
>
> My intention was to move them to histosm.org now recently restored.
>
> I tagged historic Dublin City as
>
> boundary=historic
>
> historic=yes
>
> name=
>
> type=boundary
>
> your suggestions most welcome.
>
>
>
> I will start a separate thread because I also have added
>
> Government and Dail constituencies 1798, 1947 etc (6544843)
> Police Districts (6650495)
> Townships, Rathmines etc (6144162)
> DLR and Township wards (6640701 and 6575092)
> City extensions (6144262)
>
> and need shared opinions re tagging and whether they should be on OSM or
> histosm or both and how to migrate them to histosm?.
>
>
>
> News of OSM feature, new to me recently, I think it is brilliant:
>
> open OSM, zoom well in on National Library, Kildare St Dublin
>
> select ? icon on the right, it will go green
>
> click anywhere in the vicinity of the library
>
> view the scope of detail now brought together in left margin.
>
> ( any other folk interested in Dublin City boundary detail please email me
> directly)
>
>
> On 22 February 2017 at 22:48, Cormac O Murchú <c...@iol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > First of all Northern Irish EDs cannot be tagged like Southern ones. This
> > is
> > because they are no longer Administrative Units as they were abolished in
> > the early 920s and replaced by Wards.
> >
> >
> >
> > From what I can see no wards in NI (these are still Admin Boundaries )
> are
> > tagged at present. This is a separate issue but there is no point tagging
> > EDs without tagging wards as well. Wards will have to be injected into
> OSM
> > with admin_level=9 given their legal status.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the strict sense they were never known as Electoral Divisions as that
> > nomenclature dates from the 1990s in the RoI only. They were DED’s at
> > abolition time.  There are no name:ga names either, all the names must be
> > English only.  Furthermore EDs were known as Poor Law Electoral
> Divisions (
> > 1850 – 1898) for longer than they were known as District Electoral
> > Divisions
> > ( 1899-c. 1923) although census data was produced on an ED as well as on
> a
> > Ward basis in NI until the 1950s.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nevertheless they are of considerable historical interest and I think I
> > know
> > how to tag them.. Here is the suggested scheme so that Nominatim
> disgorges
> > all the variants.
> >
> >
> >
> > boundary=electoral_division
> >
> > alt_na

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Brian Hollinshead]

Re Exclave
try Kiltiernan in County Dublin in townlands.ie

and Kinnitty as CP, both enclaves belong to eslewhere external CPs

On 17 February 2017 at 16:03, Rory McCann  wrote:

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> On 17/02/17 16:38, Brian Tuffy wrote:
> > Just to be clear, if it is "X and Y" you should treat it as "X and
> > Y", as it says on the wiki page. If it is "X or Y" then it should
> > be treated as "X" or "Y" in OSM but It looks like Logainm treats "X
> > or Y" as "X or Y" and so two townland names have one ref tag. The
> > thing is your script will look for "Lisnakirka or Milebush" but in
> > OSM it is name=Milebush and alt_name= Lis...
> > https://www.logainm.ie/35706.aspx
>
> OK, that sounds a little more complicated. I think I'll leave it alone
> then. We can always just find townlands with an "and" and without a
> logainm:ref and manually add them. Sometimes manually adding it is
> quicker than programming complicated rules.
>
> > It confusses me why it is Lower or Northern (North is up right!! :)
> > ) but I think it might be lower in elevation possibly? I doubt it.
> > Upper Bavaria is the south because it rises to the alps.  More
> > interestingly, up might be to the south? you go up towards Rome in
> > Irish?? More More interestingly, I hear that Irish is one of those
> > languages that has an in-built sense of direction, you wouldn't say
> > move over to the left, you would say move east or something
> > like that. I am not sure about it. Anyway, back to the map.
>
> Usually "Upper" is upstream, and "lower" is downstream, near the mouth
> of the river. e.g. the Upper Rhine Plane is in south Germany, because
> that's near where the Rhine starts. So when you see "Upper X" that's
> usually more "upsteam" or something.
>
> > I agree with you that it should be mapped as an exclave. I have not
> > seen any like that so that's why I suggested to have two
> > townlands.
>
> I don't know if I've seen it with townlands. It's more common with
> Civil Parishes.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Can Townlands be split for Civil parishes and barony boundries?

[Brian Hollinshead]

Lugaphuill:
The two townlands in separate Civil Parishes were combined into one by the
Boundary Surveyor.
A study of the valuation books this morning shows them as separate in 1856,
1883, 1914 and 1922 but combined in 1935.

A closer inspection of the annotations in the books show the effective date
was 1927.


I strongly believe that townlands which enjoyed a separate but adjoining
existence for seventy years should be shown on OSM as such as there are a
wealth of records referring to each part. Similarly where we find townlands
which have been absorbed into city or town limits, that they should also be
added to OSM for record purposes.

I have therefore drawn the two original parts into OSM as Lugaphuill (Drum)
and Lugaphuill (Ballyhean) AND left the combined one there until those who
decide, decide which is preferable. I have added a note to all three as
below

"Lugaphuill (Drum) and Lugaphuill (Ballyhean) combined by Boundary Surveyor
in 1927, as per Valuation Office books."

On 12 December 2016 at 16:09, Cormac O Murchú  wrote:

> (Apologies for formatting in first message so resent)
>
> We are asking the wrong question of Lugaphuill in a way.
>
> There were two townlands named Lugaphuill in 2 separate civil parishes as
> late as 1911.
>
> 1901 Index.
>
> map  Townland name Area  acres  roods  perches County Barony Parish County
> district / Superintendent Registrar’s District District Electoral Division
> (DED) DED number
> [89] Lugaphuill 215 2 4 Mayo Carra Drum Castlebar Breaghwy 6
> [89][Lugaphuill 249 2 25 Mayo Carra Ballyhean Castlebar Breaghwy 63
>
> As both were then and are now in Breaghwy ED the REAL question is WERE they
> LATER combined intone  townland by a Boundary Order and the answer
> seemingly
> is perhaps yes.. They were separate townlands in 1901 or so.  The problem
> is
> that nobody seems to know where the boundary orders are I asked in the
> Valuation office ( the chief valuer is the chief boundary surveyor who
> makes
> boundary orders in Ireland) and a whole load of boundary orders were made
> c.
> 1898 to 1914 or so.
>
> 1911 census
>
> We can see that separate enumeration forms exist in for FOR Drum
>
> 1. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002982064/ ( Drum)
> (dwellngs 21)
>
> And separately Ballyhean
>
> 2. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002981321/ (Ballyhean)
> (dwellings 7)
>
> So not combined there either or there would be only one form ( 1 per
> townland)
>
> In the Townlands  supplement to the 1911 census
>
> This >
>
> http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=
> Browse/Census%20(by%20g
> eography)/Ireland/1911=yes=460=
> expandnew=200
> lay=sections=tables=pagetitles=first-nonblank
>
> There is no mention of Lugaphuill which indicates that a boundary order was
> perhaps made after 1913 IF at all.
>
> http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=
> Browse/Census%20(by%20g
> eography)/Ireland/1911=yes=460=
> expandnew=section
> s=tables=pagetitles=11
>
> We do see a lot of modifications where xx Urban ED s are located.
>
> 1901
> map sheet number Townland name Are  acres Area roods Area perches County
> Barony Parish County district / Superintendent Registrar’s District
> District
> Electoral Division (DED) DED number
> [88] Clerhaun 116 2 12 Mayo Murrisk Oughaval Westport Westport Rural 154
>
> Suddenly we see Clerhaun “Part of” Here.
>
> http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=
> Browse/Census%20(by%20g
> eography)/Ireland/1911=yes=460=
> expandnew=section
> s=tables=pagetitles=6
>
> 115 acres 3 and 7 The missing 1 acre was evidently nibbled by Westport
> Urban
> ED as a result of a stream being straightened. Between 1839 and 1901 or so
> and made into the ED Boundary with the townland adjustment made afterwards
> post 1901.
>
> https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/murrisk/kilmeena/westport-rural/clerhaun/
>
> So there should also be a 1 acre Clerhaun townland in Westport Urban ED But
> I dunno when/if the 2 x Lugaphuill townlands were combined save that there
> had to be an order making it so and the Valuers office have no public
> record
> of these.
>
> HTH
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Wanted OSM shapefile of Ireland and province outlines, otherwise blank

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thank you Mark, but that link only gives Republic of Ireland. The Dna study
is for the entire Island of Ireland and Rory has since added a boundary
download for the provinces to the ones that were already on offer. They
have tried it and it is splendid.

(Thanks again Rory)

On 6 December 2016 at 12:40, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ of any help to you ?
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Brian Hollinshead
> <br...@hollinshead.net> wrote:
> > The Genealogical Society of Ireland are collaborating with the Royal
> > College of Surgeons in Ireland on local greatgrandparent DNA
> comparisions.
> >
> > They have been using OSM with leaflet layers showing the centroids, areas
> > covered by each group of eight greatgrandparents and and their individual
> > locations beside an interactive list of participants. (which my son and I
> > did for them as they had some difficulties using Google)
> >
> > I have now been asked if I can provide them with an OSM shapefile of all
> > Ireland with provincial boundaries but no other detail. They needed one
> for
> > a poster for display at a conference in the Conway Institute in UCD this
> > week and settled for just an Ireland outline. Because this study when
> > complete will be published internationally i would like them to be able
> to
> > use OSM for all map images.
> >
> > Please can someone either send me a file or explain to me how I can
> create
> > one for them.
> >
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[OSM-talk-ie] Out of copyright OS sheets of North Dublin on offer

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi all OSM mappers

I have on offer about 90 OS paper sheets mostly the 1936/37 revision. A
mixture of 1:1250 but some are 1:2500. At present they include from
Argillan in North Dublin south to a line from Howth to Clonee. Sheets 5 to
17 with some gaps.

Prior to our having access to the GSGS  maps scans from Trinity we had been
using some of these for townland work. I had been asking for donations and
these had come come a variety of Architects, Estate Agents and Valuers .

Time now to move these on and in recognition of the help from The Trinity
College Map Library, I have offered them first choice to fill any gaps on
their shelves and they have gratefully had some from this collection.

Would any mappers interested in having some of these sheets to keep for
their own use please contact me at OSMmapper brianh with their open email
address so I can let them have the list. Your replies before October 11th
would be helpful.

I will then offer the remainder of them to the mapping/Survey Dept in
Dublin City and County, the Dublin City Library and Archive in Pearse
Street as well as the local studires libraries in Fingal, South Dublin and
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown when they have all been indexed.

Later on sheets for further South in the County will be on offer.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 87, Issue 5

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks Noel
Have done that from the GIS trace and by SI 40/2014 the MDs and LEAs(2014)
are the same for Carlow and Muinebheag. All are now up on OSM.

On 11 August 2016 at 21:56, Noel Ballantyne <noelballant...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with Rory. Importing the municipal districts would create more
> paths on top of those already created.
>
> Use the shp to find the ded or townlands contained within and create new
> mp from there.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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> >   1. Re: Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on Carlow maps
> >  (Brian Hollinshead)
> >   2. Re: Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on Carlow maps (Ken Guest)
> >   3. Re: Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on Carlow maps
> >  (Rory McCann)
> >   4. weeklyOSM #316 08/02/2016-08/08/2016 (weeklyteam)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:08:30 +0100
> > From: Brian Hollinshead <br...@hollinshead.net>
> > To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk-ie@openstreetmap.org>
> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on
> >Carlow maps
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Carlow have had the attribution added and will be published in next day
> or
> > two.
> >
> > I had asked if they had the text copyright free source for the Two
> > Municipal Districts of Carlow and Bagnelstown. He has spoken with their
> GIS
> > man and he has offered to send it to me in .shp format if we can import
> > from that? He assure me they have themselves drawn it up from legislation
> > and are keen to share it with us for us to include on our map.
> >
> >> On 10 August 2016 at 08:41, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >>> On 09/08/16 19:39, Brian Hollinshead wrote:
> >>> Is there someone somewhere in OSM that I should copy this to?
> >>
> >> The Licensing Working Group deals with other people who have infringed
> >> on the OSM licence.
> >>
> >>https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group
> >>
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> > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:41:05 +0100
> > From: Ken Guest <kgu...@php.net>
> > To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland <talk-ie@openstreetmap.org>
> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on
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> >> Carlow have had the att

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on Carlow maps

[Brian Hollinshead]

Carlow have had the attribution added and will be published in next day or
two.

I had asked if they had the text copyright free source for the Two
Municipal Districts of Carlow and Bagnelstown. He has spoken with their GIS
man and he has offered to send it to me in .shp format if we can import
from that? He assure me they have themselves drawn it up from legislation
and are keen to share it with us for us to include on our map.

On 10 August 2016 at 08:41, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> On 09/08/16 19:39, Brian Hollinshead wrote:
> > Is there someone somewhere in OSM that I should copy this to?
>
> The Licensing Working Group deals with other people who have infringed
> on the OSM licence.
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group
>
> If you get no-where you can contact them at le...@osmfoundation.org
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[OSM-talk-ie] Lack of attribution to OSM by ESRI on Carlow maps

[Brian Hollinshead]

Prior to a visit to Carlow yesterday I perused the council web page for
maps, see link below:

http://carlow.maps.arcgis.com/apps/PublicGallery/index.html?appid=
463a5f06db5040e4863a8f2bc8f452fd=c94e864d25da4f4f8e7f5e68e3ebd47b

Of about 15 maps all powered by ESRI They have correctly attributed one to
OSI and one to OSM (CC-BY-SA). Most of the others appear to be by OSM but
although carrying the   Powered by ESRI logo they seem to have neglected to
attribute them to OSM.

I called to the Council and their IT people, who were properly upset, have
contacted the ESRI. Today they contacted me to advise no meaningful
response yet. They will keep in touch until the omissions are corrected.
They are considering withdrawing the unattributed maps until matters have
been put in order.

Perhaps you might prowl around YOUR local Council website in case perhaps
this is more widespread than just Carlow.

Is there someone somewhere in OSM that I should copy this to?
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Lesotho Embassy is hosting a mapping event on Aug 13th

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Dave
Yes please I would like to be there.



On 5 August 2016 at 00:58, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I wanted to let you know about an event that is happening on Aug 13th in
> Dublin in the Lesotho Embassy [1].
>
> The ambassador has kindly provided the facility for up to 16 people to come
> from 10am to 4pm to take part in some mapping for #MapLesotho. You do not
> need to have any particular skill level to take part, help will be provided
> on the day if any questions or queries come up.
>
> During the day there will be lunch (pizza) provided along with some light
> refreshments.
>
> We're also going to try do something a little special that day to mark the
> OSM anniversary. We're going to try some live hangouts with
> - Maptime Copenhagen
> - Portmarnock Secondary School kids who will be in the Philippines
> - and last but not least, local mappers in Lesotho
>
> This should allow for a bit of fun and hopefully, interesting
> conversations.
>
> As the event will be finishing up early enough at 4pm, we'll likely go for
> a bite or a drink afterwards.
>
> If this is of interest, please get in touch. As mentioned, space is limited
> to 16 so it will have to be first come, first served.
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces there,
> Dave (DaCor)
>
> 1 - http://osm.org/go/es~R7ealk?m=
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[OSM-talk-ie] Cork OOC paper maps and scans

[Brian Hollinshead]

About 180 paper maps of Cork have been donated to us over the past year or
so, perhaps 160 are out of copyright. Blueprint Reprographics of Stillorgan
(phone 01-288 9398) kindly allowed me scan 76 of the 6 inch and other town
areas for OSM use.​

Trinity College map library have gladly taken about 15 to fill gaps in
their collection.

I have published an Excel sheet on one drive listing the maps sheet no.
scale, dates etc.

Link to Paper map list and map scan list

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=85B8D34D71603DA!1664=!ACWUE0hWSNGuetw=folder%2c

I ask any  mapper who would like to use a paper copy for mapping and to
then pass it on the Cork Library services for their local studies section,
to please let me me know in the next seven days.

I have also  put on one drive a screenshot of the list of sheets scanned
and can put any scans there as well and send a link to those who request
them for mapping to download them.

I have spoken to Cork Library Services for City and County, they are
delighted at the prospect of a donation and they have agreed to include
some OSM/T.ie links on their useful links pages in their local studies
section and to check that at least four of our links are accessible on all
Library PCs.

I will arrange to deliver the paper sheets to Cork after 21st June and can
leave paper sheets for mappers there for collection if that is helpful. (
They are of course available from me at Dublin as well).

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] When is a townland a townland (and when is it 2+ townlands)?

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi all

I understand that each (part) Townland is in fact a separate
townland/administrative area.

I mapped  Graiguealug first as one composite and on advice from a map
librarian i was strongly encouraged to show it as three distinct townlands.
The history shows I followed this advise in two stages.
I had on loan to me at the time a paper 1901 census index which bore this
out.

The two  townlands of Tara Hill in wexford were distinct in the 1901 index
but are one in GSGS. I visited the valuation office and found the boundary
commissioner had altered "them to it" in 1906. I found a man who owned two
plots of land and subseqeuntly owned one of the total acerage in the
valuation books.

I favour keeping them separate .


On 29 May 2016 at 10:39, Rory McCann  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi all,
>
> A while ago I mentioned a possible problem with the Logainm data
> import, where 2+ townlands were getting the same logainm reference[1].
> Upon closer investigation, I don't think this is a bug with the import
> process, but a question of "Is a townland is one townland or many
> townlands?".
>
> Consider Graiguealug townland in Carlow. It's in OSM as 3 different
> townlands: OSM ids https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2196774
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2274862
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2274863 all touching each
> other. Each is in a different civil parish[2].
>
> However Logainm only has one entry http://www.logainm.ie/en/3531 which
> is in 3 different civil parishes. Logainm allows one townland to be in
> more than one CP. If you look at the GSGS map, only one townland is
> shown on the map, and the total area (~400 acres) is similar to the
> total off the 3 townlands in OSM.
>
> It looks like one townlands was split into 3 townlands so that each
> townland would be in one and only one CP.
>
> However I don't think this is the right approach. I think the OSM
> philosophy of "One Feature, One OSM Element"[3] should apply, and that
> those 3 townlands should be merged into 1. The CP boundaries should
> physically stay where they are, but they will not line up with a
> townland boundary. I seen other examples of townlands crossing CP
> boundaries and have mapped them as one townland, with a CP border
> going through the middle.
>
> I'm tempted to merge townlands like this into one townland. What do
> people think?
>
> Rory
>
> [1]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2016-March/001499.html
> [2] Townlands.ie:
> https://www.townlands.ie/carlow/forth/templepeter/templepeter/graiguealug/
>
> https://www.townlands.ie/carlow/forth/tullowmagimma/templepeter/graiguealug/
> https://www.townlands.ie/carlow/forth/nurney/templepeter/graiguealug/
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 83, Issue 7

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks Dave, but I get a forbidden message when I use link.
No hurry, have looked at a screen enough this evening.

On 20 May 2016 at 21:53, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This might be useful for the folks working on libraries
>
>
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/libraries-in-ireland_41485#13/53.3618/-6.3016
>
> It updates automatically from overpass but is limited to zoom level 9 or
> higher
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Colm Donoghue <colm.donog...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've checked Balbriggan Skerries Rush, Swords in Fingal are correct
> > I'll find out where Donabate is
> > Arklow library is south of the mark,
> > There's a good bit else missing in Arklow, I'll tidy that up a bit too
> >
> > Kevin st, Phibsboro, Pearse st in Dublin are all good
> >
> > Colm
> >
> > > On 14 Apr 2016, at 20:35, Brian Hollinshead <br...@hollinshead.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks to Eric Theise (he in San Francisco!) I now have the enhanced
> > > spreadsheet of 350 Public Libraries with Lat/Lons added.
> > >
> > > Eric also produced a leaflet map see link below.
> > >
> > > http://erictheise.github.io/irish-libraries/
> > >
> > > Please look at the libraries local to you and where possible add the
> > > building if not already mapped.
> > > Please email me the names of any points which you notice are
> incorrectly
> > > placed.
> > >
> > > Eric suggests the following are worth noting:
> > > Timahoe did not work for him.
> > > Askeaton appears in County Cork
> > > Donabate Portrane no values
> > > Clare Island no values
> > >
> > > By the way he apologizes if some of the County Colours are wrong, he
> got
> > > them from somewhere on the internet!
> > >
> > > I noticed from his map:
> > > DLR LexIcon is marginally out by perhaps 50 metres
> > > Mullingar Library is missing
> > > The library in Palmerstown is the wrong side of Mill Lane if it refers
> to
> > > the one in Stewarts Hospital which I visited when mapping.
> > > Donaghmede is misplaced. Perhaps it should be in the shopping centre.
> > > Lucan should be at the South East corner of the Shopping Centre
> > > Galway City Library may be slightly displaced, although I have visited
> > it I
> > > can not be sure.
> > >
> > > Having visited the following I can confirm the spots are correctly
> > > positioned:
> > > Stillorgan, Deansgrange, Bray Ballwaltrim, Bray Town, Ballyroan,
> > Tallaght,
> > > Blackrock, Whitechurch, Ballsbridge, Dublin DCLA, Portlaoise, Limerick,
> > > Cabinteely, Tullamore, Thurles and Wexford.
> > >
> > > I greatly appreciate Eric's prompt help and hope it may be possible to
> > > bring this further at the get-together on the 23rd, so your news of any
> > > needed corrections in the meantime would be useful.
> > >
> > > If anyone would like a copy of the data please email me and I will
> send a
> > > copy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >>  Libraries) (Brian Hollinshead)
> > >>   2. Re: Converting 350 lat/lons from ITM to decimal degrees
> > >>  (Irish Libraries) (Eric Theise)
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 83, Issue 11

[Brian Hollinshead]

scans of 6" OOC maps at OSM meet tomorrow

Thanks to co-operation by Blueprint Reprographics in Stillorgan we now have
several hundreds of scans for OSM use of 6" out of copyright OS maps spread
across 23 counties.

I will have them at the meet tomorrow so bring a memory stick if you would
like copies of some of them.

Library accuracy check
BTW thanks to those who have replied re accuracy of library locations as
per previous mail, more quick replies welcome as we may discuss possibility
of wholesome import of correct data tomorrow.

Thanks, looking forward to seeing some of you there.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 83, Issue 10

[Brian Hollinshead]

Daniel kindly asked for suggested topics for discussion on Saturday so here
are some.

1)
histosm.org or the history page with date slider. (It seems to vanish from
time to time)
I have been adding to OSM some historic admin boundaries
dublin south union
trinity ward (1849)
rathmines township 1847   etc

as you cannot see them on the ground perhaps when I have been shown how
please, I should remove them intact to the history page server?

2)
Some discussion on how to best search for (and find) some boundaries or
other features if you do not have the full title.

3)
usage of leaflet and maperitive for producing web overlays and printed maps
with specific items emphasized.

4)
Whether we should have an OOC layer for 6inch OS on
maps.openstreetmpa.ie/oocmaps?

5)
Whether it is desirable and if it can be done, to improve the my user
experience with maps.openstreetmap.ie on say a 7" tablet by having an
enlarged pop-up mini window with the two or three overlay choices when I
hit two or more of them by mistake. Can ably demonstrate my difficulty with
this on Saturday.

6)As the Poor Law Union areas coincided with the Superindentent Registrar's
Districts (so important to genealogists) for many decades we might consider
adding them as an overlay option to maps.openstreetmap.ie

Donal, please forgive me, maybe one of the others might offer help with
some of the above if being acted on. Your spendid layers on
maps.openstreetmap.ie along with Rory's townlands.ie have brought gasps of
amazement and admiration from many local studies librarians when I have
shown them.

7)I have, from the Library Developemnt Section of the LGMA,  an excel
spreadsheet with email addresses for most of the County Librarian, with
permission to send an introductory email, Maybe someone could please
compose a suggested mail and post it here or bring it for discussion on
Saturday.

That's all I have, See you Saturday.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Converting 350 lat/lons from ITM to decimal degrees (Irish Libraries)

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have received from the Library Development Section of the LMGA the ITM
co-ordinates of about 350 Irish Public Libraries with permission to use the
data for OSM. When I called to request the data they were unaware of OSM
but are now highly impressed that such a sizable and varied resource had
been produced both  locally and voluntarily.

They arranged to have the list updated and I now have the excel file. I am
familiar with the OSI convertor from ITM to degrees decimal on a one by one
basis but hope one kindly soul can please email me to send the file to them
for wholesale conversion. I can then put it on one drive and post a notice
to that effect.

I look forward to an email.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 82, Issue 2

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Brian
Thank you that is great, I was looking in vain for a highway= ??? able to
catch all. Did not know I could just use   "highway" I tend to adapt ones I
have used before. with k and V values. maybe the grammar has new rules. for
mine see

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/eNq

I would be further delighted if you or somebody else could please adapt
your query to only include features in County Offaly for example. I fancy
having final image being the shape of the county. I have tried using what I
used in my example but to no avail. I know if I export it to JOSM I can lop
off any outlying bits of roads rivers etc. before I import it to Maperitive.

Thanks again



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[OSM-talk-ie] Overpass Turbo Query help please

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have made some paper maps of County Offaly with overlays using simple
Overpass queries and Maperitive. I come unstuck in that I cannot get all
highways or all boundaries. Hoping there is a query line that will take all
of a category, something like highway=*,  have read the wiki to no avail.
Have a preference to include towns as well with names please.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Out of Copyright OS paper maps Limerick and Tipperary

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have a quantity of Out of Copyright OS maps , mostly 1912/1955, 6 inch as
well as 25 and 60 inch. These were donated to OSM Ireland by various
interests for us to bleed them dry of detail we need and then offer them on
to National and Local County Libraries. ( Both Limerick and Tipperary are
keenly interested)

After those which the Trinity College Map Library has gladly taken, I have
about 100 of Limerick and a couple of hundred of Tipperary. If any of you
would like to use these prior to them going to the Libraries please reply
by next Wednesday.

Thanks to Blueprint Reprographics in Stillorgan I have managed to scan
strictly for OSMIE use about 15 for Limerick and about 70 for Tipperary. A
mixture of 6inch and 25 inch where there is a town etc. If you are interest
in getting the scans please contact me..

In either case please reply to this mail, so others may see your interest
and also directly to brian (at) hollinshead (dot) net

Perhaps some of those who have used these for other counties might add to
this post an idea of the most help and best use they found for these.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 81, Issue 8

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Martin
I am taking a few of the maps to Mullingar Library tomorrow Wednesday to
meet the County Librarian and talk OSM. Would you rather collect the others
in Mullingar after Wednesday or in South Dublin?

Please contact me today. Thanks

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> Is your interest mostly in the 1:10560, 1:2500 or 1:1250 maps or in a
> particular part of Westmeath. The map archive in Mullingar Library will
> gladly take any we don't need now for mapping and the others when we have
> bled them dry for adding detail for OSM.
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> By the way who do you map as please?
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> Kind regards
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> > On 07/02/16 10:20, Brian Hollinshead wrote:
> > > I have about 60 sheets for Waterford and 100 for Westmeath left after
> > > Trinity took any they wanted to fill gaps. I have taken scans of most
> of
> > > the 6 inch included and 25 inch where significant habitation was
> mapped.
> > >
> > > Before I offer to pass these to the local library services does any OSM
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi  Martin

Is your interest mostly in the 1:10560, 1:2500 or 1:1250 maps or in a
particular part of Westmeath. The map archive in Mullingar Library will
gladly take any we don't need now for mapping and the others when we have
bled them dry for adding detail for OSM.

By the way who do you map as please?

Kind regards



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> On 07/02/16 10:20, Brian Hollinshead wrote:
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> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 80, Issue 1

[Brian Hollinshead]

Following a deafening non-response to last my last week's mail I badly need
advice from as many of you as possible as to how I distribute or dispose of
about 270 paper OS sheets of County Meath, all except 10 of these were
published prior to 1965 and so are considered out of copyright. Ciaran had
posted a list of c.1200 maps last july which caused no response but I
recently received a futher donation 39 maps for Meath.

*Please I really would welcome some sort of voiced consensus or even near
consensus as long as it is voiced*.

Are these a useful source of data (new data or for correcting typos
unreadable from GSGS sheets)?

Does anybody want to use them as paper sheets with Bing to add still
existing burial places etc?

There are 84 6", 193  1:2500 and 2 1:1250 and a townplan of 'Innfield'
dating from 1943.

Does anyone think we should somehow scan the townplan maps with a view to
at some later date add them to a maps.openstreetmap.ie layer as we have the
Barthomelew etc?

Does anybody want to take some to wring them dry of data useful to add to
OSM and then either keep the sheet personally or pass it on to their local
studies group at their local library?.

OR DO I PUT THEM ALL IN THE CAR *NEXT SATURDAY *AND HAND THEM ALL OVER TO
MEATH COUNTY COUNCIL Local studies section?

Please post your relies here whether or not you also wish to air the matter
on facebook or Twitter?

Enquires also sought re maps of 22 other counties (excluding the special
case of Dublin for the time being.)

Apologies if I sound frustrated but would rather not make a decision on my
own. So please share your opinion now before it is too late.

Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 79, Issue 8

[Brian Hollinshead]

Article about OSM Ireland

I had read Richards paper to the SotM in 2013 and found it interesting,
nice to read it again.
If not too much trouble Richard could you please issue a statistical update
paragraph, also for the web page, just of the lines below from your
article. It would be of interest to many and a nice marker at the end of
2015.

"...So far, the community has mapped 4,500 of the island’s 62,000
townlands, so there is still quite some way to go.

...The number of objects (nodes, ways and relations in OpenStreetMap
terminology) in the Ireland dataset grew by 25% in the first 6 months of
2013 alone, and the length of road in the dataset, at 126,000km in August
2013

...The Irish dataset currently contains over 8.2 million objects, including
86,985 houses, 15,850 trees, 2,657 pubs and 2 grit bins

... Over 2,000 people have made edits to the map in Ireland (strictly
speaking, there are 2,045 OSM user accounts which are the ‘last modifier’
of an object within the island of Ireland). Of these just 30 people, or
1.5%, are responsible for 80% of the edits"


Thank you

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> I've uploaded any remaining sheets to mapwarper. Let me know if I missed
> any as I wont be able to upload any until the new year,
>
> Our layer is now showing 675 maps with 636 maps rectified (94%).
>
> While some of the sheets may only have 3-4 placeholder control points, it
> would be great if we could end 2015 with 100% map sheet coverage of
> Ireland. Think we can do it?
>
> http://mapwarper.net/layers/101
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> Hi folks,
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> I would like to use the image at the following URL:
>
> https://maplesotho.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/img-20151204-wa0013.jpg
>
> To add it to the OpenStreetMap Ireland blog.  Namely, the following post by
> Dermot:
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.ie/90-young-mappers-and-one-flabbergasted-older-one/
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> Would anyone know the copyright owner and be able to ask for permission to
> publish/use it on our blog?
>
> Clive ( KDDA )
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[OSM-talk-ie] Dividing houses with returns as terrace

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have routinely used the terracer plugin in JOSM to divide a long/single
building into a set of terraced houses.

Recently I was talking OSM to a librarian from Casimir Road, Harolds Cross,
Dublin, I asked would he like to share the house numbers with me if I added
the outlines first. He readily agreed.

When I got home I found someone has already kindly added most of the
buildings carefully showing the return in each case. I cannot get the
terracer plugin to like trying to divide such a building into two equal
rectangular halves.

Solutions/suggestions from those who have done this most welcome.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 73, Issue 13

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi all

Yes Dave. I will be at meet up.

I will have with me some OS out of copyright paper sheets (probably
Kilkenny, Wicklow and Dublin)and photos of others Counties. 6, 25, and
50.

I have found it useful doing townlands and other detail to have either a
real 6, or a photo of one to help identify blurry boundaries on the GSGS.
I have also used piclayer in Josm to position an image using 25and 50'
very quick to do and a great help in a congested area. Hoping someone will
do the same on one of the 6images I bring. If seen to work then we have a
huge resource.

I hope to sort out some scans of KK 6 inch for the area not yet done. If
they are piclayered they are a delight to use.

Looking forward to it.



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 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:02:53 +0100
 From: Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com
 To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
 talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Next OpenStreetMap Ireland Meet - 27th June
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 Hi all,

 Just a quick reminder about this, hope to see a lot of you there. If you
 haven't already done so, can you drop me, or Ciaran a quick mail to say you
 are coming as Fingal Coco want to know how many are attending as far in
 advance as possible.

 On a side note, Mapillary sent me on a load of phone holders and a few
 t-shirts so I'll be giving those out at the event to anyone who wants one.

 See you there,
 Dave

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  Time for another meetup maybe? I think so :)
 
  Fingal County Council are kindly donating space (and wifi) for us to use
  in the council building in Swords on 27th Jun located here
  http://osm.org/go/etqCH~JbZ-?m=
 
  We have the space from 9:30am to 6pm. I'll be sticking around for a while
  in the evening also for anyone who wants to go for drinks or a bite to
 eat
  afterwards.
 
  There will be no food provided however you are welcome to bring your own
  or there are plenty of cafe's and shops within a short walk in Swords
  itself.
 
  As with all other events, its open to anyone, so if you are a long time
  editor / newbie / hacker / data user or just plain curious, you are more
  than welcome.
 
  For those using the bus, there is a stop right outside the building and
 it
  is served by the following routes (according to Dublin Bus) 33, 33a, 33b,
  41, 41a, 41b, 41c,  43. Check which best serves you on the Dublin Bus
  website here http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/
 
  For those driving, you'll want exit 3 off the M1, and there is free
  parking on Saturday on Chapel Lane, just around the corner from the
 council
  building
 
  Hope to see you all there
 
  Thanks,
  Dave
 
 
 
 


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 71, Issue 3

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​Thanks to Donal the nodes for highway=traffic_signals no longer show on
Overpass page. A useful bit of MapCSS for me to learn.

My Overpasshttp://url.ie/yyqb

Donals version   http://url.ie/yyqd

They do however still get exported to Mapbox and perhaps to Leaflet also.
(my laptop is away being fixed under warranty so have not checked leaflet
yet.)

My preference is to learn how ​to Exclude items like
highway=traffic_signals or traffic-calming=hump or barrier=gate from the
data collected by Overpass.

Can I write a'please do not add  has-kv k=highway
v=traffic-signals/ ' line to a query?

Thanks

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 To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Excluding nodes in Overpass query
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 I have an overpass query which includes all EDs in Stillorgan LEA (2014)

 http://url.ie/yyqb

 I wish to exclude nodes and only include ways and relations so as to avoid
 node markers in Mapbox which I have just started learning. I know I can
 remove them from the geojson file between overpass and mapbox but that is
 fierce tedious. Better to exclude them earlier.

 Any guidance very welcome. have read lots of overpass help to no avail.

 btw I know I have to fix a false overlap between Stillorgan LEA and
 Pembroke ED boundaries!


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 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 12:17:15 +0100
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 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Excluding nodes in Overpass query
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 On 12 April 2015 at 11:47, Brian Hollinshead br...@hollinshead.net
 wrote:

  I have an overpass query which includes all EDs in Stillorgan LEA (2014)
 
  http://url.ie/yyqb
 
  I wish to exclude nodes and only include ways and relations so as to
 avoid
  node markers in Mapbox which I have just started learning.


 I presume you mean MapCSS  and not Mapbox.

 Try this:

 http://url.ie/yyqd


 Donal




  I know I can
  remove them from the geojson file between overpass and mapbox but that is
  fierce tedious. Better to exclude them earlier.
 
  Any guidance very welcome. have read lots of overpass help to no avail.
 
  btw I know I have to fix a false overlap between Stillorgan LEA and
  Pembroke ED boundaries!
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[OSM-talk-ie] Excluding nodes in Overpass query

[Brian Hollinshead]

I have an overpass query which includes all EDs in Stillorgan LEA (2014)

http://url.ie/yyqb

I wish to exclude nodes and only include ways and relations so as to avoid
node markers in Mapbox which I have just started learning. I know I can
remove them from the geojson file between overpass and mapbox but that is
fierce tedious. Better to exclude them earlier.

Any guidance very welcome. have read lots of overpass help to no avail.

btw I know I have to fix a false overlap between Stillorgan LEA and
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 70, Issue 6

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Hi Dave et al,
Nice to see the up to date coverage. I see Dublin is stuck around 52%. Help
is needed in Fingal for Townlands, I had added some and switched to
finishing South Dublin and Dun Laoghaire. Am running out of stamina (have
been doing EDs as well), so lest anybody shied away from Fingal because
they saw I had been gently active there please return - all are welcome, it
is a nearly open canvas.

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 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:21:32 +
 From: Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com
 To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
 talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Townland mapping, time for another update I
 think
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 Hi all,

 So there's been amazing progress on the townland mapping with more and
 more new people pitching in which means there are many days when
 people are mapping townlands up to and above a rate of 100 a day. That
 is just nuts! In a good way :D

 To give an indication, in the last 7 days, 560+ townlands were added
 by 12 different people.and thats a quiet week!. There have been
 weeks where we have come close to 1,000+ townlands mapped.

 Anyway, on to the numbers. We broke 40% total coverage a few days ago
 for a total of

 24,313 townlands
 624 electoral divisions
 579 civil parishes
 99 baronies

 Looking at it from a county by county perspective, it breaks down as
 follows

 == Completed ==

 Antrim
 Carlow
 Fermanagh
 Laois
 Longford
 Offaly
 Sligo
 Westmeath
 Wexford
 Wicklow

 == In Progress == including % complete

 Cavan - 27%
 Clare - 38%
 Derry - 13%
 Down - 68%
 Dublin - 52%
 Galway - 57%
 Kildare - 50%
 Leitrim - 48%
 Meath - 89%
 Roscommon - 31%
 Tyrone - 37%

 == Not Being Mapped (by province) == including % complete

 * Ulster *
 Armagh 0%
 Donegal - 16%
 Monaghan - 2%

 *Connacht *
 Mayo - 10%

 * Leinster *
 Kilkenny - 3%
 Louth - 0%

 * Munster *
 Cork - 0%
 Kerry - 3%
 Limerick - 0%
 Tipperary - 3%
 Waterford - 0%

 What does all this mean? Well there is still great progress being made
 all over the country on a more or less even basis with the exception
 of Munster. If there are people on this list interested in helping to
 get Munster going a bit more, please feel free to check out the wiki
 page which provides all the info you will need.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ireland/Mapping_Townlands

 Thanks,
 Dave



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 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:37:57 +
 From: Michael Larkin larki...@gmail.com
 To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Townland mapping, time for another update I
 think
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 great progress
 Could I have 14/15 SW uploaded Please to start Limerick
 Michael

 On 19 March 2015 at 19:21, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  So there's been amazing progress on the townland mapping with more and
  more new people pitching in which means there are many days when
  people are mapping townlands up to and above a rate of 100 a day. That
  is just nuts! In a good way :D
 
  To give an indication, in the last 7 days, 560+ townlands were added
  by 12 different people.and thats a quiet week!. There have been
  weeks where we have come close to 1,000+ townlands mapped.
 
  Anyway, on to the numbers. We broke 40% total coverage a few days ago
  for a total of
 
  24,313 townlands
  624 electoral divisions
  579 civil parishes
  99 baronies
 
  Looking at it from a county by county perspective, it breaks down as
  follows
 
  == Completed ==
 
  Antrim
  Carlow
  Fermanagh
  Laois
  Longford
  Offaly
  Sligo
  Westmeath
  Wexford
  Wicklow
 
  == In Progress == including % complete
 
  Cavan - 27%
  Clare - 38%
  Derry - 13%
  Down - 68%
  Dublin - 52%
  Galway - 57%
  

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 65, Issue 26

[Brian Hollinshead]

If you want an example of DublinCity.ie using OSM  go to DublinCity.ie and
click on Map zone and select any option.

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 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:58:04 +
 From: Brian Hollinshead br...@hollinshead.net
 To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
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 Using overpass i tried to see how many items tagged historic in County
 Dublin for talk on Saturday as part of Local History Day in Pearse Street
 Library.

 Tried historic=*   got none

 Tried historic= yes  got three martello towers

 any suggestions welcome as am not familiar with wizard.
 By the way some months ago got the figure of 2,600 features tagged historic
 in island of Ireland. Cant remember where or how I got it. A reminder would
 also be welcome.

 Many thanks

 osm-script output=xml timeout=250
   id-query {{nominatimArea:County Dublin}} into=area/
   !-- gather results --
   union
 query type=way
   has-kv k=Historic v=*/
   area-query from=area/
 /query
 query type=node
   has-kv k=historic v=*/
   area-query from=area/
 /query
 query type=relation
   has-kv k=historic v=*/
   area-query from=area/
 /query



   /union

   !-- print results --
   print mode=meta/
   recurse type=down/
   print mode=meta order=quadtile/
 /osm-script
 {{style: /* this is the MapCSS stylesheet */
 area { text: name; }
 }}


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 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:05:07 +
 From: Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com
 To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
 talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Overpass or wizard query
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 http://url.ie/wbpd

 I just clicked on the Wizard  button on
 http://overpass-turbo.openstreetmap.ie/  typed:

 historic=* in County Dublin

 To  get all on the Ireland just zoom out so you can see all of ireland and
 do a wizard query for   historic=*

 Hope that helps,

 D


 On 29 October 2014 16:58, Brian Hollinshead br...@hollinshead.net wrote:

  Using overpass i tried to see how many items tagged historic in County
  Dublin for talk on Saturday as part of Local History Day in Pearse Street
  Library.
 
  Tried historic=*   got none
 
  Tried historic= yes  got three martello towers
 
  any suggestions welcome as am not familiar with wizard.
  By the way some months ago got the figure of 2,600 features tagged
 historic
  in island of Ireland. Cant remember where or how I got it. A reminder
 would
  also be welcome.
 
  Many thanks
 
  osm-script output=xml timeout=250
id-query {{nominatimArea:County Dublin}} into=area/
!-- gather results --
union
  query type=way
has-kv k=Historic v=*/
area-query from=area/
  /query
  query type=node
has-kv k=historic v=*/
area-query from=area/
  /query
  query type=relation
has-kv k=historic v=*/
area-query from=area/
  /query
 
 
 
/union
 
!-- print results --
print mode=meta/
recurse type=down/
print mode=meta order=quadtile/
  /osm-script
  {{style: /* this is the MapCSS stylesheet */
  area { text: name; }
  }}
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 I just posted this feedback on the Dublin.ie Dublin City Community Maps
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[OSM-talk-ie] Generic headstone icon to use with leaflet/osm

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi All
I am looking for an generic headstone icon image to use as marker with
leaflet for a map showing cemeteries and graveyards, County Dublin project
at present. Thought it preferable to use an OSM one if such exists.

looked at OSM wiki icons under people, leisure and health! but found
nothing.

Thanks
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[OSM-talk-ie] RDS library series talk on OSM this week

[Brian Hollinshead]

Wednesday 22nd October, 6.00pm. Merrion Road Dublin

Talk details  are at  http://www.rds.ie/cat_event_detail.jsp?itemID=1103706

At the last hack-day some of you kindly made useful suggestions regarding a
draft of  powerpoint I was putting together for some library talks. The
present title is

OpenStreetMap, Community and historical mapping for all.

and will be a mixture of powerpoint and live demo.

It came about after I visited a few library's to improve their knowledge of
OSM and particularly the width to which it had grown. I just used printouts
including some screenshots. I was asked would give a talk in the Autumn.

There will also be a session in Dublin City Library Archive in Pearse St as
part of their Local History Day talks on Saturday 1st November (OSM at
2.00pm).
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[OSM-talk-ie] Downloading by overpass API or XAPI data internal to a county

[Brian Hollinshead]

Last year using Maperitive I created a page with the Townlands, Civil
Parishes and Baronies of County Carlow. with no detail outside the
county.Will bring a copy on Sunday. Not knowing how else to, and as a one
off,  I slowly over a morning added pieces to a Josm file and then
painfully weeded the edges!

Now hope to do the same for Longford and Wexford when they are intact but
hope someone can explain to me how to download the data, internal to a
county, using either overpass API or XAPI.

I do remember seeing  'as_in'  somewhere but cannot remember the context.

I have since tampered with my maperitive file so that although is still
draws the borders I have lost the ability to print a townland/civil
parish/barony name within the outlined area. Maybe someone familiar with
Maperitive might have time on Sunday to look at my rules file please.

bye for now
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[OSM-talk-ie] Hack day and scans for sharing of 1 inch townland index maps 6 inch of Kilkenny.

[Brian Hollinshead]

I will have scans with me on Sunday of full or partial 1 inch townland
index maps for Wicklow, Kilkenny, Derry and Dublin. Also a scan of 1938
baronies for the whole country.

Also various scans of 6inch of Kilkenny including #6 Castlecomer, #10
Ballyragget, #19 Kilkenny City, #28 Thomastown, #29 Graiguenamanagh, and
#32 Inistoge. Various others of the County boundary. If any one is working
on Kilkenny and having trouble with GSGS in built up areas, these scans
will likely help either by just reading or by map-warping.

Please remember I was given the scans or allowed take scans on the basis
they were for use by OSM and not for publication.

See you Sunday
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[OSM-talk-ie] Permission for names for Dublin Bus bus stops?

[Brian Hollinshead]

while mapping 17 and 18 bus, when walking have used the name on the shelter
where there is one. Do we have permission from Dublin Bus to use the names
on their web page. This week I logged all stops on the 184
Bray~Netownmountkennedy with notes re shelter, bench where possible but
have no names. Please what is our policy re names? At the turn around while
talking to the driver about what I was at he offered the name of 'Derry
.? who is involved with bus stop detail in Dublin Bus HQ.
If we don't yet have permission I am prepared to visit and ask for it on
the basis that the location we are mapping by is from our own sources and
that we we will derive no location detail from them or Google? Is this
desirable?

Thanks
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